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New TOS / AUP: What's "high volume purposes"?

3.7.1 You may not resell the Broadband Service, use it for
high volume purposes, or exceed the bandwidth usage limitations that Verizon may establish from time to time for the Service.

I believe that language was used specifically in a legal sense to provide VZ with "flexibility in interpretation" on their part. You will rarely fine a TOS that is slanted in the consumer's favor.

I suspect that "high volume purposes" means when one is obviously pegging their bandwidth usage, pedal to the metal, all the time which can disrupt the usage of others.

The other part basically says they can change the rules. Which they can...without notifying you in advance. Flexibility.

I am not saying that I necessarily agree with this business practice, however...I do think that the world would be a better place when things are spelled out more clearly for things like this.

reply to nekote
To me, saying you can't use the service for "high volume purposes" is kind of like telling someone not to go outside and breathe a lot of air.

Very open for interpretation, so actually I'd think from a legal standpoint, they would be tasked to quantify "high volume purposes" if push came to shove. Not sure how they do that.

I would think that this could possibly apply to running applications in a way similar to running a server that consume a lot of bandwidth 24/7.

One could twist words and say that an arbitrary application running 24/7 and consumes bandwidth is not technically a server (usenet client for example) and try to get away with it, so maybe this is to cover that approach.
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reply to nekote
Are we sure this is a new TOS change?

reply to nekote
Apparently, "high volume" is ten seconds of maximum upload bandwidth per connection. For example, I can get 15Mbit for ten seconds to an external host, at which point the system QoS's that connection to 8Mbit for five seconds, the 5Mbit for five seconds, then 2Mbit until the connection closes. The system holds this setting for fifteen to twenty minutes after all traffic stops.

If I start another session with a different external host, I get another ten seconds of maximum upload performance, and then the connection degrades as described above.

For transfers to other FIOS customers, I get about thirty seconds of maximum performance before it immediately degrades to 2Mbit.

reply to nekote
Pure supposition, but "high volume" looks like they're after those who pass multi-gigabytes in large files using spread-bandwidth techniques.

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reply to nekote
Absolutely not. I just did extensive (5+ hours) of testing between multiple hosts, and determined the situation above. You get to move about 15-20MB between yourself and any given host, at which point it cuts you off at the knees. If you like, I can open up a small window of opportunity for anyone who likes to test this theory.

Wait, I thought with fios your downloads didn't matter since it was FTTH. You mean to tell me the advertised speeds are not steady state, but can get throttled back during a large download?

streams from the Internet to you (downloads) don't get hit until the local loop (central office) maxes out. For uploads, you get to send at the 15Mbit rate for the first 10-20MB, at which point it starts to step down your upload rate.

I've got a very pretty graph demonstrating exactly that.

reply to merp
If the upstream bandwidth is stepped down to 2 Mb/sec continuously after several minutes of uploading, then the Verizon commercials advertising upload bandwidth of 20X cable are false and misleading. Someone should take Verizon to task.

Verizon has never throttled anything ever

I can dl from servers that do not scale back at full 30mb for over an hour with no issues.

so if you are seeing throttling its due to server side and not verizon.

He never mentioned downloading, he mentioned UPSTEAM bandwidth.

well i just finished uploading 3 large files and had no issues; moved 3- 1GB files and 1 500MB and it never wavered..

also what QOS are you referring to in the above post...the actiontec? or verizon at the CO? as i know of many a user who has maxed their connection with no issues for the past few months...both in and out with no issues

reply to nekote

reply to danclan
What is your maximum upstream throughput? I don't see why MERP would post such detailed observations without some data to back it up.

reply to merp
Whoops, just realized I misspoke. You only get about 15-20MB of upload before the speed drops, or about 10-20 seconds worth.

/forgot the zeros
//not enough sleep

Have you checked this against MULTIPLE remote upstream targets, and not just your own (forinstance) Usnet provider?

reply to KCrimson