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Re: My final thoughts Hank....just a suggestion, since this seems to come up every now and then...... collect the old linkage (someone from the other side has, but I'd suggest someone here do it) and post it all in a FAQ. That way when the next member who's been away for too long asks, they can just be pointed to the tlinks and read about everything on their own. It would save the "brief summaries" (which seem to always include jabs) that tend to put people off.
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 migPremium,MVM
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Anytown, USA | I disagree.
This split took place almost 2 years ago, come June. Most all members here are aware of what transpired, and if they are not then it is most likely not a big deal to them.
Posting an FAQ only lends itself to keeping this alive, and to be honest, it needs to just go away. This site here doesn't need to keep publicizing what took place here that long ago.
Besides, people are not popping up here and asking that frequently "what happened", and if they do, they are almost assuredly being notified about it from those who are members at the other site who still frequent here. And if not, it begs the question how one may inquire "what happened", only to find themselves over at the other site so quickly.
Then again just my .02 cents |
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 MarkHreserved for later usePremium
join:2002-12-19 | As do I, much better to leave things as they are.
The random locked threads and deleted posts look so much better. |
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migPremium,MVM
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Anytown, USA | said by MarkH:As do I, much better to leave things as they are. The random locked threads and deleted posts look so much better. One thing I have noticed is that whenever a thread is locked or deleted in this forum it usually involves a post from a member who claims they have left this site, but somehow just manages to keep on hanging around.
Wonder if that might have something to do with it? |
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MarkHreserved for later usePremium
join:2002-12-19 | said by mig:said by MarkH:As do I, much better to leave things as they are. The random locked threads and deleted posts look so much better. One thing I have noticed is that whenever a thread is locked or deleted in this forum it usually involves a post from a member who claims they have left this site, but somehow just manages to keep on hanging around. Wonder if that might have something to do with it? Possibly so, possibly not. Maybe they are people who left with the team and still have other interest here on some of the other forums, or members who only post very occasionally.
The possibilities are like rumors, they never end. |
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migPremium,MVM
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Anytown, USA | said by MarkH:Possibly so, possibly not. Maybe they are people who left with the team and still have other interest here on some of the other forums, or members who only post very occasionally. The possibilities are like rumors, they never end. Possibly so.
Showing up on the site is one thing. Showing up in a DC forum one vows that they have left behind is another.
Would be interesting to see the # of locked or deleted threads in all these other forums here that former team members post in as compared to this forum. |
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MarkHreserved for later usePremium
join:2002-12-19 | said by mig:Possibly so. Showing up on the site is one thing. Showing up in a DC forum one vows that they have left behind is another. Would be interesting to see the # of locked or deleted threads in all these other forums here that former team members post in as compared to this forum. Putting aside locked and deleted posts just for now, we all know that there are members who read the forums here, and the forums elsewhere. When something of interest is posted in one place, it is going to be noted by at least one person and word passed on about it.
That automatically leads to a situation that members or ex members who haven't bothered to read or post in the forum are going to come visit and see.
If when they arrive they find something they don't agree with, they are likely going to post on one or both sets of forums how they see things and present their opinion.
A simple case of human habits and the nature of the internet at work. |
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migPremium,MVM
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Anytown, USA | said by MarkH: Putting aside locked and deleted posts just for now, we all know that there are members who read the forums here, and the forums elsewhere. When something of interest is posted in one place, it is going to be noted by at least one person and word passed on about it. Actually, I wasn't the one who brought up locked or deleted posts. You were.
said by MarkH:As do I, much better to leave things as they are. The random locked threads and deleted posts look so much better. Though I assume your comment was made in sarcasm?
said by MarkH:That automatically leads to a situation that members or ex members who haven't bothered to read or post in the forum are going to come visit and see. If when they arrive they find something they don't agree with, they are likely going to post on one or both sets of forums how they see things and present their opinion. A simple case of human habits and the nature of the internet at work. In any event I guess reasons, right or wrong, can be made to further ones beliefs. |
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MarkHreserved for later usePremium
join:2002-12-19 | Yes it was made as a sarcastic comment, guilty as charged.
Indeed, peoples beliefs are ultimately what these topics are invariably about.
I personally believe that locked and deleted posts and threads are often indicative of something being hidden when there are so many of them.
I much prefer that things (however embarrassing they may be) are left for all to see, providing of course they aren't personal attacks.
Debate is a good thing in my opinion, and part of debate is disagreements, you can either try and erase all evidence of the disagreement, or face up to it and deal with it.
At least when it is dealt with, you don't have it resurfacing time and again. |
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migPremium,MVM
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Anytown, USA | said by MarkH:Yes it was made as a sarcastic comment, guilty as charged. Indeed, peoples beliefs are ultimately what these topics are invariably about. I personally believe that locked and deleted posts and threads are often indicative of something being hidden when there are so many of them. I much prefer that things (however embarrassing they may be) are left for all to see, providing of course they aren't personal attacks. Debate is a good thing in my opinion, and part of debate is disagreements, you can either try and erase all evidence of the disagreement, or face up to it and deal with it. At least when it is dealt with, you don't have it resurfacing time and again. I agree with you to a point.
The problem as I see it with most of the locked and deleted posts in this forum are that most are locked or deleted due to former members taking umbrage with comments that they disagree with. Most members here already know the other site members disagree, after all, that was one of the main reasons they left. They disagreed with site management.
How long do we have to keep reading here that they disagree?
Or that they are right and we are wrong?
They have their own home now and have had for almost 2 years. I'm not going to rehash anything from the past. It serves no purpose. Just as it serves no purpose to comment on how threads here get deleted or locked.
Remember you all have your own site and your own forums where you pride yourselves in stating that you don't lock or delete threads. Since locked and deleted threads seem worrisome to some of your members, they probably should refrain from visiting a site that moderates to one that doesn't. |
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MarkHreserved for later usePremium
join:2002-12-19 | said by mig:Since locked and deleted threads seem worrisome to some of your members, they probably should refrain from visiting a site that moderates to one that doesn't. Ah yes, of course, we should stay away as was suggested by others in the past. Leave you be to get on with your forums and we stick with ours etc.
What then when things are posted that are blatantly untrue and sometimes offensive? Are they best ignored by us and left undefended?
You are wanting us to leave you all alone, that I can understand, but that is never going to happen as long as questions are asked about the two teams.
Wishing a problem away doesn't make it vanish forever. Especially when there are accusations made against the people you wish would leave you alone.
Yes, people come and make a post here after being away for a long period of time, but that is more due to the fact that nobody here will actually give a full and proper answer when the wrong questions are asked. |
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migPremium,MVM
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Anytown, USA | said by MarkH:Ah yes, of course, we should stay away as was suggested by others in the past. Leave you be to get on with your forums and we stick with ours etc. What then when things are posted that are blatantly untrue and sometimes offensive? Are they best ignored by us and left undefended? You are wanting us to leave you all alone, that I can understand, but that is never going to happen as long as questions are asked about the two teams. Wishing a problem away doesn't make it vanish forever. Especially when there are accusations made against the people you wish would leave you alone. Yes, people come and make a post here after being away for a long period of time, but that is more due to the fact that nobody here will actually give a full and proper answer when the wrong questions are asked. Actually I never stated that I want you or your team members to leave us alone. I simply stated that since moderation bothers your team so much that your team might want to refrain from visiting a site that moderates.
As far as posting things "that are blatantly untrue and sometimes offensive", could you elaborate on what posts these were or did you take screenshots of it so you could have evidence of this happening?
I'm not disputing that you say it happens, I would just like to see these posts as I visit here daily and haven't seen these type of posts, though it is possible that I may have missed them.
I find that when one thinks posts are not proper and they think may be deleted that they take a screenshot of it just to have as a reference.
I did this a while back on a particular individual who I had reason to suspect was causing a minor inconvience by being extremely hateful with vitriolic comments. You wouldn't believe the trails that were left by this individual.
Seriously though, I'd like to see these posts you speak of, not that I'm in position here to do anything about them.
I really wouldn't call 2-3 people a year that post a "what happened" due to their long inactivity as a valid reason to create an FAQ.
Remember, when the split happened, an e-mail was sent by a member from your site now to all Team Starfire members explaining the split. If former members were concerned thay had ample opportunity to seek out that individual.
In fact I still have that e-mail. |
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MarkHreserved for later usePremium
join:2002-12-19 | So, respecting your first wish of not wanting to rehash the past, I am not going to link to threads elsewhere, because firstly, my post would be moderated for linking to the only place that I could show the older stuff (yes, we know mentioning our site by name is offensive to some here), and secondly, because I do actually believe that ultimately, things need to be allowed to rest, but that doesn't mean I think things should be ignored, hence my bothering to post.
I'm of the opinion that you know where to look, both here and elsewhere if you were actually concerned about the truth of the whole situation, but I know that you have your own beliefs about the situation and therefore we are in a situation that the best outcome would be an agreement to disagree and leave everything out in the open for others to see and then make up their own minds.
Recent stuff, well, you could ask B52GUNR why he felt the need to be inflammatory in the enquiry thread that ended up locked recently, that thread is a milder example of the symptoms of the whole problem. It was enough to get the attention of the people you don't like posting here now though, so GUNR gets a thumbs up for attracting yet more attention to the problem(s).
I could also suggest you ask your moderators why they have made some of the decisions they did and ask them what they said to others in IM's too, but I know that questioning your mods is an easy way to a warning or suspension, so you may be better off not doing that.
As for the email being sent out, yes, I do remember the team founder list being used.
Just one question though, how do you know that all former members have actually even seen that mail?
It is more than likely that there are people who have never seen or read that mail due to expired email accounts etc, and if they are returning to DC after a long absence, they are invariably going to be curious about what happened.
Lets face it, there have been things said and done by both sides that have been upsetting to the other. I would just like to see enquiries handled in a mature meaningful manner rather than it becoming an issue over and over due to a few of your posters who know they can be venomous and get away with it because as long as it's not again bbr/dslr or it's members, it's acceptable. |
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