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1 edit | I like France's proposed policy »arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20···ack.html
The French government is pressing ahead with plans to cut off the Internet access for those caught sharing files via P2P. Under a plan announced last November by President Nicolas Sarkozy, those caught sharing copyrighted content via P2P would have their Internet access cut off under a three-strikes-and-you're-offline scheme.
Jean Berbinau, general secretary of French regulatory body Autorité de Régulation des Mesures Techniques (Regulatory Authority for Technical Measures), said that legislation enacting Sarkozy's plan should be passed by summer. We should pass a similar law in the US. The UK and Australia are also looking at passing a similar law as well.
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lesopp
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Land O Lakes, FL | I don't like France's proposed policy No we shouldn't. Its too draconian and prone to errors.
What happens when a person mistakenly ends up on the "No Surf List"? |
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kudos:5 | said by lesopp:No we shouldn't. Its too draconian and prone to errors. What happens when a person mistakenly ends up on the "No Surf List"? Once - maybe a mistake; twice - less chance of an error; three times and you have been caught with very little chance of error.
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Torrance, CA | So the riaa never makes mistakes? Do they ever apologize? So we condemn the whole system because of alleged pirates? the figure that we/I never hear is how many people use the internet/p2p and don't illegally share versus how many use it legally and don't share illegally? the point I am making is that a vast majority of the uses don't file share "illegally" and it would be affecting them equally.Kind of like making people jump through the hoops to own a gun, when that hasn't really reduced "illegal" gun usage one iota. Peace
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 dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
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What if YOU end up getting chastised for something because of an error?
You send a clip of son/daughter(hypothetically) and it flags you as a Pirate... are you going to be so gung-ho about it then?
That would be *YOUR* Strike One.
Say you blow that off and try it again... Flag #2 - Strike #2... yeah, real good idea, huh?
You inadvertantly forget and send another... BOOT!
Now, my friend, *YOU* are kicked offline and labeled a pirate. Sound tasty? 
*NO* ISP should be a cop!
What's next?
Illegal to let you borrow a DVD? 
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kudos:5 | said by dadkins:*NO* ISP should be a cop! Well then who should be the cop, in your opinion?
Because god knows one is needed, given all the criminals on the internet.
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| said by Linklist:Well then who should be the cop, in your opinion? Because god knows one is needed, given all the criminals on the internet. We need "cops" to patrol the Internet the same way we need law enforcement to patrol Times Square and strip search everyone they stumble across just to "make sure" nobody is carrying/doing anything "illegal."  |
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dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
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Uhm... I can't answer that, can you?
Is Caltrans the cops that write you a ticket for speeding on the roads they build and maintain? No!
Should the ISP that builds and maintains the line you & I use be the cops? No!
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kudos:5 | said by dadkins:Uhm... I can't answer that, can you? Is Caltrans the cops that write you a ticket for speeding on the roads they build and maintain? No! Should the ISP that builds and maintains the line you & I use be the cops? No! NYC, Philadelphia, etc all have their own transit cops and railroads have their own railroad cops(paid by the railroads). Why shouldn't ISPs have their own internet cops?
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I'm reaching here, but maybe.... the police?
It's their jobs to track down criminals (be they online or offline) and prosecute them.
When it comes to copyright offenses, however, these are civil offenses, not criminal ones. (At least until the MPAA/RIAA push through legislation making them criminal cases.) This means that the copyright holder has to file suit themselves against the copyright violator. Sometimes this takes the form of a John Doe lawsuit until the violator's identity can be determined (or until the copyright holder has proven to a judge that they have enough of a case to pierce the accused's privacy).
The problem is that the RIAA is lazy. They don't want to file their lawsuits separately in the correct jurisdiction. They just want to file a huge batch of them all at once (as if they were related). They don't want to *actually* sue the person, just strong-arm them into a highly one-sided settlement. And they don't want to keep an eye out for copyright violators themselves, they want the ISPs to do their job for them.
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dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
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Ok, but they themselves are not the cops. See the difference here?
Seeing as it is not the ISPs bitching about the illegal transfers of material(s), then it should not be the ISPs (or you and I) footing the bill for police type services.
Are you willing to have more restrictions applied to your connection *AND* pay more each month so some private company/entity can dictate what the ISPs should do?
Fuck that!
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I could definitely see this happening.
E-mail a photo to your family whose name raises copyright flags: Strike #1
Tech Support Response: "We're sorry about that. It must have been a false positive. Unfortunately, we're unable to remove strikes, but don't worry, they'll expire on their own soon enough."
Short while later, e-mail a clip of your child singing a nursery rhyme. Raises flags for being an MP3: Strike #2
Tech Support Response: "There definitely isn't a bug in our systems. Are you sure you didn't share anything off of a P2P network? We can't reverse this otherwise all pirates would claim innocence. Just be more careful what you do next time."
Not too long after that, browsing a website triggers an edge case in the filters and you get Strike #3. This time Tech Support immediately, upon seeing your account, sends you over to the ISP's new Copyright Education and Protection division which instructs you that you can have your connectivity back if you take some courses on why copyright protection is essential, sign documents confirming that you are a pirate, and pay a $100 fine.
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Philadelphia, PA | reply to Linklist
railroads hire transit cops because (a) if they dont their customers are in danger and are less likely to ride -thus they would lose customers and (b) they are protecting the actual physical safety of their customers
with respect to (a) the ISPs stand to lose customers if they police content, and re (b) no one is going to get stabbed or raped in kazaa like they might on the subway.
here we have a situation where most of the ISPs and their customers have no desire to have themselves policed, so let them keep up their dumass lawsuits |
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Re: I like France's proposed policy And who would enforce this, the government? Are you going to use tax money to create a Internet Copyright Infringement Department branch of the government that keeps tabs on users and how they've broken copyright restrictions?
They hand out a "no internet for this person" to all of the ISP's based on what some entertainment company tells them? Of course the RIAA and MPAA have been shown to be more wrong then correct in their lawsuits so far. Blindly enforcing this a piece of legislation this stupid would result in either a lot of people with internet or basically the formation of some sort of government spying program.
Sorry, I'd rather use my tax money elsewhere, not using it to enforce some draconian law because some 16 year old kid wants to download the latest Timbaland a
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Re: I don't like France's proposed policy said by Linklist:said by dadkins:*NO* ISP should be a cop! Well then who should be the cop, in your opinion? Because god knows one is needed, given all the criminals on the internet. We don't need cops on the internet. When music industry start releasing music that is worth to buy, people will start buying. Till then pirating will continue and regardless of what you try it will not stop it. |
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said by Linklist:said by dadkins:Uhm... I can't answer that, can you? Is Caltrans the cops that write you a ticket for speeding on the roads they build and maintain? No! Should the ISP that builds and maintains the line you & I use be the cops? No! NYC, Philadelphia, etc all have their own transit cops and railroads have their own railroad cops(paid by the railroads). Why shouldn't ISPs have their own internet cops? You talking about government, isp is not government. RIAA soon will be out of existence, as they refuse to adapt to new reality. Make all songs cheap to download, say 50c and it will not worth for people to pirate. Till then people will pirate and their is nothing RIAA can do about it |
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Re: I don't like France's proposed policy Brilliant again TK....
Let the Govt handle it! |
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said by Linklist:Well then who should be the cop, in your opinion? The F.B.I.? Or your state police? We already have cops, and they have rules, regulations, and procedures to follow to act on complaints. Let them do it. And pass the costs on to the taxpayers as they do it. Yeah; levy an Internet tax to pay for Internet cops. That should do it.
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