 pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | Point Has Merit The ISPs are right. This bill is not needed. No company should have to disclose publicly where its main vulnerabilities are located.
We've already shown that most ISPs will tell customers whether or not they provide service to a particular address:
FIOS lookup by address: »www22.verizon.com/fiosforhome/ch···ntry.asp
Verizon DSL lookup by address: »www22.verizon.com/content/consum···ress.htm
AT&T DSL lookup by address:
»swot.sbc.com/swot/canIOrderOnlin···ocessDSL
QWest DSL lookup by address:
»www.qwest.com/residential/intern···ual.html
Anyone who is interested in determining service availability can use these forms to see if where they will be living can receive service. There is no need for an Act of Congress here.
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1 edit | said by pnh102:Anyone who is interested in determining service availability can use these forms to see if where they will be living can receive service. There is no need for an Act of Congress here. Before I got phone service at this address, I tried to check to see if I could get DSL here. It said no. Good thing I didn't rely on that system to determine if I wanted to live here.
For whatever reason, the moment I got phone service, it showed up that I could also get DSL.
Also these systems are well known to fail on new construction addresses.
Was a nice try though, what you said. To bad it's not true.
edit: more info added
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | said by gatorkram:Was a nice try though, what you said. To bad it's not true. So based on your one single example you are going to conclude that all the information spewed by these links is false?
What makes you think government-mandated maps will be any more accurate?
For most people I know, these websites were a good thing, they verified broadband availability prior to moving.
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Assuming that carriers already provide this information publicly, what is then the harm of providing it in an aggregated fashion?
As you may have already noted, Comcast was not on your link list. In fact, no cable company was. |
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 PhoenixDown-- Wants FIOSPremium
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Fresh Meadows, NY
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They are not being asked for map of their network -- they are being asked to provide the exact locations where they can, or can not, provide residential broadband services. |
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to riturno
said by riturno:Assuming that carriers already provide this information publicly, what is then the harm of providing it in an aggregated fashion? If an ISP wishes to do so on its own then that is fine. I just don't see it as being the government's business to force them to provide this information.
said by riturno:As you may have already noted, Comcast was not on your link list. In fact, no cable company was. Comcast does have an address entry form on its main page... but its website sucks in general, which is one of the reasons I decided not to list it. However, there is nothing stopping people from calling them to see if service is available.
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to PhoenixDown
said by PhoenixDown:they are being asked to provide the exact locations where they can, or can not, provide residential broadband services. People can verify broadband availability on their own. They do not need the government to do it for them.
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Fresh Meadows, NY
kudos:1 | said by pnh102:People can verify broadband availability on their own. They do not need the government to do it for them. The people are stating that broadband IS NOT available and want to build out municipal networks.
The cable and telephone companies are fighting these initiatives claiming that broadband IS available.
The point of this initiative is to determine exactly where broadband is or is not available so a comprehensive national deployment strategy can be put into place. |
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Torrance, CA | reply to pnh102
I don't see why there can't be a map of availability for the consumer.....and sometimes the private sector needs a prod from the government and in this day and age, that is what a lot of home buyers use in their criteria for buying a new home.. I believe the cablecos are reluctant in a large part in that they don't want their availability to be shown for a lot of reasons. It's that they don't want to spend the money in some areas unless they are threatened by some form of competition. Name some areas where there are more than one cable company that offers competing service, or by that matter a phone company..I live in a city where the phone is divided between verizon, and ATT, the ONLY cable company is RR.
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Derby, KS | reply to pnh102
said by gatorkram:What makes you think government-mandated maps will be any more accurate? It has been my experience the government does very little in respect to things that have come from those providing money to their coffers. With that said I believe the maps will be untouched and therefore only as accurate as the info provided by the ISP's |
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 marigoldsGainfully employed, finallyPremium,MVM
join:2002-05-13
Saint Louis, MO
kudos:1 | reply to pnh102
said by pnh102:The ISPs are right. This bill is not needed. No company should have to disclose publicly where its main vulnerabilities are located. And yet product pipelines, including natural gas and oil, have to disclose their locations. |
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wentlancYou Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH | reply to pnh102
said by pnh102:The ISPs are right. This bill is not needed. No company should have to disclose publicly where its main vulnerabilities are located. We've already shown that most ISPs will tell customers whether or not they provide service to a particular address: No vulnerabilities have been requested. This is about actual penetration. And we're talking about broadband to the house, not corporate America to our pockets. But you just keep on fear mongering the world to try to hold on to your fading point. |
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Raleigh, NC | reply to pnh102
said by pnh102:Anyone who is interested in determining service availability can use these forms to see if where they will be living can receive service. There is no need for an Act of Congress here. Good thing we're forcing not only the government to go through hoops to get this data, but now the terrorists too. If they're limited to the links you provided, they'll have to work forever to find out where our last-mile infrastructure has poor investment (sorry, I mean vulnerabilities that would expose copper loops to attack).
The terrorist play-book is full of things like this: seek out vulnerabilities in last-mile infrastructure, seek out vulnerabilities in newspaper delivery routes, etc. Imagine the untold damage they could do with that information. |
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to PhoenixDown
said by PhoenixDown:The people are stating that broadband IS NOT available and want to build out municipal networks. Well if these people know that they cannot get broadband, then what is the point of the map telling them what they already know? What is stopping them from acting as private citizens to build their own network?
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to woody7
said by woody7:I don't see why there can't be a map of availability for the consumer... That isn't a good argument for forcing ISPs to make them available. As I've stated before, consumers can already find out if a given address is serviceable.
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to marigolds
said by marigolds:And yet product pipelines, including natural gas and oil, have to disclose their locations. So do ISPs. That's why this bill is not needed.
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to wentlanc
said by wentlanc:No vulnerabilities have been requested. This is about actual penetration. And we're talking about broadband to the house, not corporate America to our pockets. But you just keep on fear mongering the world to try to hold on to your fading point. Again, the information is already out there if you want it. An act of Congress is not needed.
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to disc
said by disc:If they're limited to the links you provided, they'll have to work forever to find out where our last-mile infrastructure has poor investment (sorry, I mean vulnerabilities that would expose copper loops to attack). If people think this is that important, then there is nothing stopping them from keying in all these requests manually and making their own map.
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woody7Premium
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Torrance, CA | reply to pnh102
I think that it is valid,as consumers find on some sites they have to sift through piles of crap to get the answer they need, and it is ambiguous at best. I bet if some private party did just that, the uproar from the cablecos and even telcos would be deafening. The only conceivable reason that they don't want this info easily available is for the reasons that others have stated.It wouldn't paint them in a good light. Peace
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marigoldsGainfully employed, finallyPremium,MVM
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Saint Louis, MO
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said by pnh102:said by marigolds:And yet product pipelines, including natural gas and oil, have to disclose their locations. So do ISPs. That's why this bill is not needed. They do? Where? I have yet to find the spatial database with that information.
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