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I propose that the Front page be reworked..... in Site Feature Requests http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20124688 en Tue, 15 Dec 2009 01:52:44 EDT Tue, 15 Dec 2009 01:52:44 EDT This ain't no WIKIPEDIA.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20201680 Jerm : Since this is not wikipedia I'm not soo worried a trying to get NPOV [citation needed]]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20201680 Fri, 21 Mar 2008 11:09:58 EDT Re: I propose that the Front page be reworked..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20200912 ptrowski : Two more Comcast articles on the front page yesterday. When the stop putting themselves in the spotlight then it will die down.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20200912 Fri, 21 Mar 2008 07:28:49 EDT Re: I propose that the Front page be reworked..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20199678 Alakar : *Object*

Karl drives me nuts with his editorializing sometimes, but our front page would just be another news feed without it. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20199678 Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:02:46 EDT Re: I propose that the Front page be reworked..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20172619 Paladin : Object.

I really hope Justin has the sense not to listen to this idea. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20172619 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 02:58:07 EDT Re: I propose that the Front page be reworked..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20168033 notwrth10 : *Object*

If I wanted to read about comcast's perfect,non-employee-contracted killers,sleeping techs,non-p2p filtering, service-ing I would just go to www.comcast.com and see how they lie to me this week. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20168033 Sat, 15 Mar 2008 01:31:17 EDT Re: I propose that the Front page be reworked..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20148707 Mele20 : Umm...nice try...but no go. TW is not the only provider of Road Runner. You had RR and I said "at least we have the OP out of the hair of Road Runner"not Time Warner. Gee, I even recall your little sob story when you left RR....is your memory so bad you have forgotten that? :p I suppose so since I have never lived on Maui. ;)
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said by Rick

:

It looks like we have a landslide vote in favor of my proposal.
I look forward to seeing the front page re~worked very soon!

Please share what you are smoking. :D
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said by Mele20

:

*Object*

At least we have the OP out of the hair of Road Runner. ;) He used to think Time Warner and Road Runner were perfect and yelled at anyone who dared post a problem.

LOL. Interesting memory you have there...Dano. Now, I guess if I ever actually even HAD Time Warner as an ISP..there might be some truth in it but..alas..I never did.
My memory on the other hand however is quite clear about you constantly bit**ing about TW because they wouldn't string you a personal fiber line across the pacific to your oceanside bungalo on Maui so you could watch Hawaii Five-0 reruns.

Hopefully you got that worked out so the RR forum could again find some peace.

:p

Anyways..back to the topic at hand. It looks like we have a landslide vote in favor of my proposal.
I look forward to seeing the front page re~worked very soon!

;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20145589 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:38:25 EDT Re: I propose that the Front page be reworked..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20140626 TKJunkMail :

Suggestion: stop calling it "News" because it's highly editorialized. Rather than break it into sections, just give the whole thing a new name that applies to the content. "What's new" "The bulletin" "BBR Hotline" "BBR Wire" "News and Opinion"....or something along those lines.

It is their site to do with as they please.

But changing the page name from "Latest News" to "Broadband Commentary" or "Broadband Editorials" or "Opinions on the News"(my favorite) would be a more accurate description of the BBR Front Page.

Karl always is calling for truth in advertising. Changing the Front Page name would be putting his money where his mouth is.
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At least we have the OP out of the hair of Road Runner. ;) He used to think Time Warner and Road Runner were perfect and yelled at anyone who dared post a problem. Then he divorced RR and married Comcast and thinks they are perfect now. Geez. :p

One of the best things about this site is the editorializing of front page articles. It wouldn't be dslreports without the editorializing! I'm proud of dslr and Karl and I don't want to see this site become some mouth piece for Public Relations promotions from Comcast or anywhere else.
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said by Rick

:

to make a clear distinction between what is "News"..and what is editorial comment. If one were to read virtually any major newspaper and study the way it's formatted, you'd see that
"News" is addressed by presenting an item of interest or current event by answering the questions..."who..what..where..when..why..and how".

It is not presented in such a fashion as many BBR "news" stories are by the writer interjecting their personal feelings, commentaries and stabs and slants at whatever the topic at hand may be.

That is why there is a separate editorial section frequently labeled something like "In our Opinion"..followed by an area where readers may respond.

I think that this is necessary because as of late..I have noticed a decided slant towards repetition and bashing of certain isp's relating to certain issues under the heading of "news". News should be a standalone entity. Unbiased.
And not interjected by opinions from both sides..as frequently happens with the current format.

Here's what would I propose for the layout. Quite simply..the headlines of BBR be exactly that. NEWS headlines that allow no linked to commentary. The "news" shouldn't include the writers personal commentary..bias..or slant in any direction. It should answer the six questions posed above..
who..what..where..when ..why ..and how. It should tell the story..and nothing else.

And then, if BBR and it's management feels the need to have an editorial section. So be it. let it be in a newspaper format however..with "their opinions" be clearly expressed..followed by whatever commentary linked to that there might be by readers. I see no problem with that still being a front page item. Most newspapers would run from that idea though..placing THEIR thoughts and opinions on par with the NEWS itself. That's why they moved it long ago to another page.

IMHO..it is critical that as BBR grows, that they should consider remodifying this.

Thanks for everyones consideration.

AGREE!
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Certain Isp's should be bashed for not telling the truth about their true intentions.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20137317 Sun, 09 Mar 2008 20:04:21 EDT Re: I propose that the Front page be reworked..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20136203 hopeflicker :

said by Thaler

said by Rick

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I think that this is necessary because as of late..I have noticed a decided slant towards repetition and bashing of certain isp's relating to certain issues under the heading of "news". News should be a standalone entity. Unbiased.

I understand that you have a personal hard-on for the ISP

*object*

I lol'd a bit :D
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said by Rick

Sorry, but the issues happening with Comcast's content blocking and the FCC are indeed news for all broadband users, especially on a network neutrality front. I understand that you have a personal hard-on for the ISP (as viewed by your "editorial" bashing BBR when reporting news on *anything* potentially negative on Comcast), but seeing as how they're a first in a potentially disturbing trend, it is news.

*object*]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20135844 Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:32:24 EDT Re: I propose that the Front page be reworked..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20132885 RadioDoc : * object * primarily because the OP is only posting this because he's pissed that Comcast has been taking it in the shorts on the front page here lately, and for good reason.

Now, what we really need is an "AD WARNING" label for certain posts which are clearly an advertisement for or bashing of the competition of any company.
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It is perfectly clear from many years reading here that they report EVERY piece of news with editorial comments.

It's one of the things I like very much about this site.
Even when I disagree or fail to understand those comments ...
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I think that I like it as is and go to Google for news.

Bruce]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20132281 Sat, 08 Mar 2008 17:59:43 EDT Re: I propose that the Front page be reworked..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20132212 koam : *sign with suggestion*

"News" suggests impartiality, which is not the case here very often.

Suggestion: stop calling it "News" because it's highly editorialized. Rather than break it into sections, just give the whole thing a new name that applies to the content. "What's new" "The bulletin" "BBR Hotline" "BBR Wire" "News and Opinion"....or something along those lines.
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Look at the tags after clicking on the news item. If it's an editorial, it'll say .. if not. It's news. Like it or not.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20131710 Sat, 08 Mar 2008 15:44:59 EDT Re: I propose that the Front page be reworked..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20131555 ross : OBJECT]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20131555 Sat, 08 Mar 2008 15:10:56 EDT Re: I propose that the Front page be reworked..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20131054 ptrowski :

said by DrModem

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*Object*

I just think he doesn't like the Comcast bashing news, and wants all that labeled "editorial".

Bingo, we have a winner! :-)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20131054 Sat, 08 Mar 2008 13:24:12 EDT Re: I propose that the Front page be reworked..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20130599 drslash : What do you expect from the left wingers that run this site?
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I just think he doesn't like the Comcast bashing news, and wants all that labeled "editorial".]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20130400 Sat, 08 Mar 2008 10:58:07 EDT Re: I propose that the Front page be reworked..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20130200 CtrlAltDel : *Object*

Karl's comments are entertaining and well thought out.

I know where to go for unbiased, up-to-date, spot-on, clever-content news.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20130200 Sat, 08 Mar 2008 10:05:45 EDT Re: I propose that the Front page be reworked..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20130103 Titus Pullo : Might I suggest you find an "All Comcast, all good all the time" site for your dining and dancing pleasure :uhh:

**OBJECT**
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because you don't have to be "PC" here]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20129460 Sat, 08 Mar 2008 01:48:39 EDT Re: I propose that the Front page be reworked..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20129313 removed : *object* ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20129313 Sat, 08 Mar 2008 00:37:23 EDT Re: I propose that the Front page be reworked..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20129151 rosco : object
i like the news here and enjoy a lot of the jabs and other editorial bits included.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20129151 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 23:44:35 EDT Re: I propose that the Front page be reworked..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20128914 BillRoland : I agree with Rick

. While I agree with others that there is always bias in any news article, this site makes no effort whatsoever to remain neutral or objective when reporting items as "news." Much of what is posted would be better categorized as an Editorial or "Our Opinion" section.

*SIGN*
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I don't see any need to rework the front page. But I'll stay
*neutral*
on the issue.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20128807 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 22:33:23 EDT Re: I propose that the Front page be reworked..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20128766 anon : Object,
First, most of the "news" posted here are links to other media sources which retain the copyright. The comments on the site are usually telling people why the news is important only. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20128766 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 22:24:52 EDT Re: I propose that the Front page be reworked..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20128723 dot_null : *object*]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20128723 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 22:17:07 EDT Re: I propose that the Front page be reworked..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20128624 cacroll :

said by smcallah

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Most "news" that any site, newspaper, or TV news puts out is recycled from some central source.

In which case, it's slanted by that central source. Not locally slanted, but still slanted.

Any business, which is run for profit, will slant in the direction of its own best interest.
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And Comcast should be editorial editor in chief.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20128166 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:15:58 EDT Re: I propose that the Front page be reworked..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20128015 djrobx : I object, mostly due to the lack of volume.

If there were a lot more interesting broadband related news to cover on a day-to-day basis, then a more dry, strictly news format might work better. Without Karl or whomever "making the stories their own", BBR might as well just be sharing links to other sites. I think Digg and Slashdot cover that need well enough.
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said by dandelion

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IMO most "news" is slanted in some way or another, or at least ones I have seen on TV and read in the paper. In order to get another "side" all anyone would need is google. BBR being a site unique unto itself doesn't need to have news as would be reported on any site.
Hence *object*

I disagree, most "news" that any site, newspaper, or TV news puts out is recycled from some central source. Almost no one puts a spin on news anymore. And the one network (FNC) that claims not to, completely does.

I wish more news organizations would editorialize, because we need different view points on subjects.

If I want news with facts, I'll catch a Reuters feed or something similar.

But we need some editorialization back in our news. I'm tired of hearing the same thing from everywhere. Why must no one in the news question some of the things that are done by government officials, local and federal? Why do they just tow the line?

I don't mean they should throw opinion into news stories, I'd like to hear the facts first. But they need to editorialize somewhere.

I grew up where Senator Jeese Helms did the Editorials on television every night. I didn't like him, nor did my parents, but at least he actually came out with an opinion on the news and called people out on the things they did. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20127879 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 19:18:52 EDT Re: I propose that the Front page be reworked..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20127555 Jeffrey : I hear what you're saying, but I'm not sure how to go best about doing that.

Perhaps the term "news" is misleading. It' s probably easier to change "Latest News" to something that doesn't say "news" in the true definition of that word. But that's up to the powers that be.

I like the current format, and with anything, I take it with a grain of salt and usually at least attempt to read the linked articles.

* respectfully object, but I follow your logic*
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FP is just fine. Maybe get rid of the right margin column. I like it the old way. :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20127436 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:59:47 EDT Re: I propose that the Front page be reworked..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20126921 jjoshua : *object*

If you want news, go to »www.drudgereport.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20126921 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 16:26:42 EDT Re: I propose that the Front page be reworked..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20126604 vaxvms : *object*]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20126604 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:26:36 EDT Re: I propose that the Front page be reworked..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20126179 cacroll : As Dandelion »Re: I propose that the Front page be reworked..... states, most (IMHO all) news is slanted one way or another, generally per the whims of the editorial / ownership policy. That policy may reside in the hands of a few, or maybe just one.

With DSLR News, it's in the hands of everybody here. Making a DSLR News feed similar in nature to a wiki.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki

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If you don't like the content, suggest other topics. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20125993 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:43:02 EDT Re: I propose that the Front page be reworked..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20124729 dandelion : IMO most "news" is slanted in some way or another, or at least ones I have seen on TV and read in the paper. In order to get another "side" all anyone would need is google. BBR being a site unique unto itself doesn't need to have news as would be reported on any site.
Hence *object* ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20124729 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 10:03:06 EDT Re: I propose that the Front page be reworked..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20124721 Cudni : there is some merit to your suggestion but on the other hand i like that the comments to any particular news are there for me to quickly check if i want to. On occasion i do and on occasion they are as good as the news itself

Cudni
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"News" is addressed by presenting an item of interest or current event by answering the questions..."who..what..where..when..why..and how".

It is not presented in such a fashion as many BBR "news" stories are by the writer interjecting their personal feelings, commentaries and stabs and slants at whatever the topic at hand may be.

That is why there is a separate editorial section frequently labeled something like "In our Opinion"..followed by an area where readers may respond.

I think that this is necessary because as of late..I have noticed a decided slant towards repetition and bashing of certain isp's relating to certain issues under the heading of "news". News should be a standalone entity. Unbiased.
And not interjected by opinions from both sides..as frequently happens with the current format.

Here's what would I propose for the layout. Quite simply..the headlines of BBR be exactly that. NEWS headlines that allow no linked to commentary. The "news" shouldn't include the writers personal commentary..bias..or slant in any direction. It should answer the six questions posed above..
who..what..where..when ..why ..and how. It should tell the story..and nothing else.

And then, if BBR and it's management feels the need to have an editorial section. So be it. let it be in a newspaper format however..with "their opinions" be clearly expressed..followed by whatever commentary linked to that there might be by readers. I see no problem with that still being a front page item. Most newspapers would run from that idea though..placing THEIR thoughts and opinions on par with the NEWS itself. That's why they moved it long ago to another page.

IMHO..it is critical that as BBR grows, that they should consider remodifying this.

Thanks for everyones consideration.
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