http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-are-resellers-really-competition-20125200 en Fri, 10 Feb 2012 18:24:34 EDT Fri, 10 Feb 2012 18:24:34 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-are-resellers-really-competition-20128404 said by zod5000:

I still don't consider "resellers" to be competition. The DSL/Cables aren't going to sell their bandwidth so low, or rent their lines so low, that the competition will be able to undercut them.

You're also telling the companies that if you go and shell out all the money to lay down fibre/copper or whatever else, you've gotta share it... I've always wondered if that was a detractor for broadband improvement.
Most 3rd party DSL providers in Canada are NOT "resellers" excluding the west where Telus has most of the control.

The wholesale system has worked well at least here in Ontario. In fact because all the providers here are using the same network for authentication and network transit, my transition from Bell to Teksavvy was smooth and didn't require more than a few seconds of downtime!

It is a fact that Bell is wholesaling for a low fee per subscriber (currently around $20 per user per month) and the benefit of the way that bandwidth is handled is that the 3rd party provider can choose their own transit and buy network links from Bell.

You guys in the west are much different because of Telus' decisions regarding wholesale access. This I think is stifling competition there because Telus wants to be greedy and not allow competition but because of the CRTC ruling, they have to legally provide wholesale to providers that request it, which is very slim because of Telus' desire for control of network access and bandwidth.

Now fiber is a much different issue and will not be addressed until the major telco and cable companies start looking at fiber to the home.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-are-resellers-really-competition-20128404 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 21:03:36 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-are-resellers-really-competition-20127995 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-are-resellers-really-competition-20127995 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 19:41:34 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-are-resellers-really-competition-20126527 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-are-resellers-really-competition-20126527 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:13:58 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-are-resellers-really-competition-20126357 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-are-resellers-really-competition-20126357 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:44:02 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-are-resellers-really-competition-20126013 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-are-resellers-really-competition-20126013 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:17:12 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-are-resellers-really-competition-20125619 said by zod5000:

I still don't consider "resellers" to be competition.The "last mile" needs sharing - otherwise any competing carrier would have to run wire directly to the premises. I already have six power wires, two telco, and one cablevision strung up on poles in front of my house. I do not want more.

It's not true competition but it is better than none at all. Maybe the "last mile" should be owned and operated by something other than the phone & cable companies. City-owned networking, anyone?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-are-resellers-really-competition-20125619 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 12:46:19 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-are-resellers-really-competition-20125576 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-are-resellers-really-competition-20125576 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 12:37:15 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-are-resellers-really-competition-20125470 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-are-resellers-really-competition-20125470 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 12:19:39 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-are-resellers-really-competition-20125406 said by zod5000:

I still don't consider "resellers" to be competition. The DSL/Cables aren't going to sell their bandwidth so low, or rent their lines so low, that the competition will be able to undercut them.

You're also telling the companies that if you go and shell out all the money to lay down fibre/copper or whatever else, you've gotta share it... I've always wondered if that was a detractor for broadband improvement.
Look at Teksavvy's prices compared to Bell. MUCH cheaper than them with a higher cap and NO throttling. And they are resellers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-are-resellers-really-competition-20125406 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 12:06:21 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-are-resellers-really-competition-20125331
You are confusing a Reseller and an NSP. They are buying last mile services from the Lec. They buy a wholesale loop from the customer prem to their network. They use their IPs, Servers, Bandwidth, Support, Modems, etc.

"You're also telling the companies that if you go and shell out all the money to lay down fibre/copper or whatever else"

Yes, if they intend to take advantage of the USF and other programs that are free money from the government by all means they should share that. If they do not want to do that they should refuse the USF fees.

BTW NSPs and CLecs that collect USF fees have to give that back to the ILec. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-are-resellers-really-competition-20125331 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 11:49:54 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/are-resellers-really-competition-20125200
You're also telling the companies that if you go and shell out all the money to lay down fibre/copper or whatever else, you've gotta share it... I've always wondered if that was a detractor for broadband improvement.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/are-resellers-really-competition-20125200 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 11:25:34 EDT