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stevephl

join:2000-11-27
Colorado Springs, CO
reply to SSX4life

Re: yay sandvine

You make some rather far reaching statements in your post. Scientist have been inventing things through out the ages that benefit man, some in ways we might not expect at first glance but to suggest that these people should be held responsible on any level for their inventions is mad, sounds like the rantings of a socialist. Your assertion that the two nuclear devices dropped on Japan towards the end of WWII only seemed to affect innocents is misplaced and simply wrong. You fail to note that the Japanese attacked the US without justification and without provocation,(I have family that died in that attack can you say the same?)that during the course of WWII the Japanese committed all manner of atrocities against the Koreans, the Chinese, Malays and the Filipino's not to mention the barbaric treatment of US prisoners of war. Dropping the nuclear bombs on Japan in the end saved many hundreds of thousands more people forestalling an invasion of mainland Japan. Also note that at the time we were ending this war through the use of nuclear technology the Japanese were in fact researching and working on their own nuclear weapon as were the Russians and Germans. Our decision to use nuclear bombs probably saved untold numbers of people on several continents.
Sometimes in order to secure the freedoms and security of people we need to take drastic actions such as war, but by the same measure those things used in limited war also benefit mankind and do so for many years. The benefits derived from harnessing the atoms in nuclear materials, chemistry, physics and the other scientist far out weight any negative use. Finally this is a legal company (Sandvine) making a legal product, providing jobs and and economy when has this been a bad thing? In the final analysis while you are just another American bashing socialist with an agenda companies like Sandvine are contributing to our economy providing necessary services, what are you providing?


james1

join:2001-02-26
I love how you justify the killing of civilians because of something that their armed forces did. That sounds familiar, oh yeah, it's what terrorists do.

Yes, SOME Japanese did horrible things during the war, so did some Americans, Canadians, Brits, Germans and prettymuch every country who has ever gone to war. If everyone followed your logic, we would all be dead.

stevephl

join:2000-11-27
Colorado Springs, CO
You obviously haven't a clue to what your talking about (babbling?) do your due diligence, do some research. The Japanese civilians were arming themselves for an invasion they were joining a totalitarian government military force. Some Japanese committed offenses? Gee maybe your public education wasn't so good after all. Go read about the atrocities committed by Japanese troops in Korea, especially China, Malaysia and even more so in the Philippines. Research the Bataan Death March in the Philippines where US and Canadian troops were routinely bayoneted, denied medical attention, food and rest. I have visited these places in person have you? Do you really have an understanding of what happened in WWII? I didn't think so. Our treatment of Japanese prisoners of war was very humane, we offered medical attention even when allied troops needed the care, we took very good care of these prisoners the same cannot be said for their side. Even liberal socialist scholars are in agreement that dropping the "Bombs" prevented even more blood shed and deaths. No one is innocent in war especially when it's your side that initiated the unprovoked sneak attack in the first place.
In the final analysis your logic is the the one that is flawed, you lack even a basic understanding of warfare and the cessation of hostilities. Try picking up some good quality history books and read, maybe instead of downloading porn, pirated music and video's you could read a few good books, might even learn something, how cool would that be?


a333
A hot cup of integrals please

join:2007-06-12
Rego Park, NY
Reviews:
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would darned cool, if you could quit talking outta ur a$$...
Even a fifth-grader knows that the atomic "Bombs" dropped in Japan caused not only death tolls in the millions, but birth defects in the next 3-4 DECADES. So much for saving bloodshed. Half the population in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bloody vaporized, let alone wounded!!
And that's not even touching on the fact that our dropping such a dangerous weapon spawned an arms race that already one has led to a major crisis (READ: Cuban Missile Crisis), and continues to create tensions b/w nations. Nuclear power? The only thing that's done is add the concern of nuclear waste, and has already led to outright destruction. (READ: Cheronbyl incident)
BTW, all Japan was trying to do was gain new land and resources. This is something even our own damned forefathers did to the Native Americans 400 years ago, when they forced 'em onto reservations, and occasionally even massacred them! (READ: Trail of Tears)
Good ol' Franklin Delano decided to interfere, and stop oil shipments to Japan, thereby triggering the surprise attack. He, along with many other presidents, have disobeyed one of the most important pieces of advice given by George Washington: Don't mess around with other countries, or get tangled up in their affairs. It never helps.
You lost family members not as a result of the will of the Japanese people, Steve, but rather as a result of the foolishness of our government back then.
Poke your head out of the portfolio, and go get a good Adult Education course in a college, instead of trolling and adding useless material to an otherwise-intelligent discussion...

stevephl

join:2000-11-27
Colorado Springs, CO
Professor B.S. You certainly are one bright piece of work. Actually around 200,000 people died as a result of our bombing the two Japanese cities. Birth defects were noted only for those living in the immediate vicinity. I'm sure in your liberal socialist, American apologist mind the loss of Japanese lives, even just one is more abhorrent then the loss of millions of American lives. If you take the time to go find pictures and maps of the two cities you will find that the destruction wasn't as great nor the loss as high as that of Dresden German from Allied bombing (conventional). Save your emotional anti-American diatribe for people who might agree with you; may I suggest Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro, Putin etc.... Have you actually read anything on the history of WW2? Of course not, you'd much rather spend time watching the latest BS movie out of Hollywood then improve your mind.
If we had not used the Atom bombs, atom bombs which were under development by Japan by the way there would have been an even high body count after we invaded the mainland on both sides of the conflict. Not only Japanese in the two bombed cities would have died by millions more throughout the country but even more egregious would have been the loss of several million American lives. We were the ones attacked not Japan. I lost relatives in that war, I have been to both of the cities in Japan bombed and I have seen the results of the atrocities committed by the Japanese throughout Asia.
Your assertion that using the atom bomb in WW2 created an nuclear arms race is redicouls the Japanese were working on the bomb, the Germans had the bomb and the Russians were close. If not for our use we would most certainly have been bombed ourselves later but the Soviets knew after Japan that we had the capability to retaliate using nuclear weapons. If you were as smart as you think you are you would know that if not for the nuclear weapon deterence the Soviets would have attacked using conventional weapons a blood mess that would have been no matter if we won or not so in effect big shot nuclear weapons actually prevented a ww3 go think about that!
The Cheronbyl incident was unique and could not happen in this country actually nuclear energy is the safest form of energy generation we have in this country.
How the hell did you drag Indians into this mess? Note Indians do not enjoy the name Native Americans, a name heaped upon them by socialist liberal white political correct idiots, I'm sure your not one of them right?
While I'm no fan of FDR one of the biggest big government socialist we have seen in office he is not behind the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor the Japanese had been planning that attack for a while their expansionist policies into Asia dictated that they try and remove us from the equation. You sure are dumb man. If your parents were to read your post they would hang their collective heads in shame.
I have several college degrees but that doesn't make a man smart, alas most colleges and universities today in the US are nothing more then liberal socialist re-education camps.
Have a great Sunday though and I suggest taking a trip to your local library and doing further research, you never know you just might learn something.

America the Great!!!


funchords
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join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
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... Godwin ... is ... so ... close ...


james1

join:2001-02-26
reply to stevephl
said by stevephl:

Some Japanese committed offenses?
Yes, SOME did, or do you think every single Japanese person took turns torturing the poor prisoners during their breaks from working in the factories and farming.

said by stevephl:

Our treatment of Japanese prisoners of war was very humane
Oh yeah, we treated the Japanese so well during the war. I mean, we didn't even take away their homes, businesses and lock them in concentration camps. Oh wait, we did.

said by stevephl:

No one is innocent in war especially when it's your side that initiated the unprovoked sneak attack in the first place.
Oh, so you must think 9-11 was justified then. Think about that one for a bit. We've been bombing the hell out of that part of the world for decades, killing who knows how many civilians.

Oh, also calling it an unprovoked attack is laughable, considering the two countries had been in a "cold war" since 1931 and there was an embargo against Japan by the U.S. I've read quite a few allegations that FDR allowed the attack to go through as well, in order to justify going to a war that had little support on this side of the pond. (I do concede that Japan was the aggressor for the most part, but it isn't like it was a crime for them to attack, it was a legitimate military installation)


james1

join:2001-02-26
reply to funchords
said by funchords:

... Godwin ... is ... so ... close ...
How dare you! You "Post Nazis" with your Godwin's Law! Why dont you go invade Poland!



james1

join:2001-02-26
reply to james1
wait... aren't we supposed to be talking about sandvine?


funchords
Hello
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Yarmouth Port, MA
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said by james1:

wait... aren't we supposed to be talking about sandvine?
LOL!!!

said by james1:

said by funchords:

... Godwin ... is ... so ... close ...
How dare you! You "Post Nazis" with your Godwin's Law! Why dont you go invade Poland!


Now there's a headline: Topolski Invades Poland


Bellundo

@teksavvy.com
reply to stevephl
Necessary services like manufacturing and selling crackpipes for crack smokers? That too i guess in your opinion would be a necessary service.