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<description><![CDATA[Radioman991 posted : ----<br>"Its not nessasary to do either. The way a new law is written, even the PRESENCE of copyrighted files in a shared folder (even if its not connected to the internet) is a violation."<br>----<br><br>If thats true, then good old Winders and the C$ admin share makes everyone guilty?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[averagedude posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by james1  :</small><br><br>In order for people to want to pay for something, it has to be easier to pay than to download it for free. It's especially hurtful for the companies when their copy protection limits the people who actually purchase their music (as an example), while those who download the mp3s are getting a superior product for free.<br> <br></div>And that is human nature/behavior that many companies fail to understand.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[FiL posted : but how do you prove that without spying on U.S. Citizens? You surely aren't implying a spy program aimed at data mining millions of people, are you? <br><br>Thought you were that "less gubmint" type of guy...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : Its not nessasary to do either. The way a new law is written, even the PRESENCE of copyrighted files in a shared folder (even if its not connected to the internet) is a violation. I don't recall which law, but a quick google should reveal it, I think it may be connected to this other..<br><br>As well, there's another even better example.<br><br>"Family Entertainment and Copyright Act of 2005"<br>You may have heard of this but may not have known what they put into it.<br><br>The actual text of the law shown here: &raquo;<A HREF="http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c109:5:./temp/~c109cflufs:e732:" >thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c&middot;&middot;&middot;fs:e732:</A><br>says:<br>"(2) AUDIOVISUAL RECORDING DEVICE- The term `audiovisual recording device' means a digital or analog photographic or video camera..."<br><br>So digital cameras and cell phone cameras count because it says photographic OR video camera. Someone could be prosecuted under that law for an instant 3 year jail sentnance just for taking a cell phone snapshot of a film playing in theatres.<br>No need to upload or download. Insta jail.<br>I'm pretty sure 3 years in jail is a felony.<br><br>BTW, the law also permits and indemnifies theatre operators from any civil/criminal lawsuits and if they want to detain and interrogate you.<br><br>"(1) may detain, in a reasonable manner and for a reasonable time, any person suspected of a violation of this section with respect to that motion picture or audiovisual work for the purpose of questioning..."<br>"(2) shall not be held liable in any civil or criminal action arising out of a detention under paragraph (1)"<br><br>Bush signed this law saying it would let people get those devices that let you skip or mute sex/violence, profanity (movie studios were arguing that those devices violated thier copyright).<br>But its loaded with a lot of other nasty stuff. I wonder if he even bothers to read even a summary of what he signs, or just lets the RIAA/MPAA tell him.<br><br>And don't give me any nonsense about it not being used in this way. Remember the girl who used her cellphone or camera to film a few seconds of transformers to show her brother and got arrested for it?<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.switched.com/2007/08/03/teen-faces-jail-time-for-20-second-transformers-recording/" >www.switched.com/2007/08/03/teen&middot;&middot;&middot;cording/</A><br><br>So these kinda laws ARE being used, just not very much yet, probably because they don't want to create an outcry until they get a few proscecutions behind them.<br><br>And everyone just lets this happen, because none of you bother to check out the law either.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Devistater posted : I thought there might be a case but I didn't see it so guess not.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[james posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1048555" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1048555');">BF69</a>:</small><br><br>If I give out a million version of some piece of software for FREE instead I'm not taking away actual sales away from the owner? I beg to differ.<br></div>Most of my point was that it isnt accurate to call it Piracy, which used to imply that profit was being made.<br><br>If someone pays for pirated software it's 100% verifiable that it's a lost sale to the company. Downloading for free, on the other hand, wouldn't be 100% lost sales, and could in fact boost revenue in some situations (ie Photoshop).]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[james posted : Interestingly, I've found that since I've had more money, and Steam and my Wii allow me to instantly get any game I want without leaving the couch, my downloading of "warez" has dropped severely. I've even bought games that I downloaded back in the old days, like doom 3, deus ex, super mario, and many more.<br><br>In order for people to want to pay for something, it has to be easier to pay than to download it for free. It's especially hurtful for the companies when their copy protection limits the people who actually purchase their music (as an example), while those who download the mp3s are getting a superior product for free.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ThrowDemsOut posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1358638" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1358638');">81399672</a>:</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/129458" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=129458');">KrK</a>:</small><br><br>The laws have gotten very fascist lately.  If they find a small amount of copied files, songs, or movies, they have multiple ways to come at you and try and bury you and claim you're a dangerous felon.<br><br>The punishments massively outweigh the "crime" but even so, that's the way it is.  They really don't give a damn about "silly" clauses in some old piece of paper....<br> </div> I have yet to see a single case in which a person is being sued for downloading files. I only seen people getting caught for uploading the files and letting other people download from them<br> </div>One small problem. 95% of the people downloading are using software(bittorrent & other P2P) that also uploads while they download. So, as a practical matter, most downloaders are also uploaders too.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[81399672 posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/129458" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=129458');">KrK</a>:</small><br><br>The laws have gotten very fascist lately.  If they find a small amount of copied files, songs, or movies, they have multiple ways to come at you and try and bury you and claim you're a dangerous felon.<br><br>The punishments massively outweigh the "crime" but even so, that's the way it is.  They really don't give a damn about "silly" clauses in some old piece of paper....<br> </div> I have yet to see a single case in which a person is being sued for downloading files. I only seen people getting caught for uploading the files and letting other people download from them]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[KrK posted : The laws have gotten very fascist lately.  If they find a small amount of copied files, songs, or movies, they have multiple ways to come at you and try and bury you and claim you're a dangerous felon.<br><br>The punishments massively outweigh the "crime" but even so, that's the way it is.  They really don't give a damn about "silly" clauses in some old piece of paper....<br><small>--<br>"Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!)</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Camelot One posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1064720" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1064720');">floydb1982</a>:</small><br><br>If all your doing is checking out audio CD's for your local library and copy them to your computer without sharing the music files over the internet are you aloud to do that or is it a copyright infringement?<br> </div>It is not a criminal offense, so long as you don't share your copy in any way. (one of the requirements for a criminal case is the distribution)<br><small>--<br>Intel Quad Core QX6700 @3500Mhz/Asus P5N32-E SLI/4x 1024Mb Corsair/Seagate 750.10/PNY 7800GTs SLI/Silverstone 850W/Custom water cooler</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ThrowDemsOut posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1064720" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1064720');">floydb1982</a>:</small><br><br>If all your doing is checking out audio CD's for your local library and copy them to your computer without sharing the music files over the internet are you aloud to do that or is it a copyright infringement?<br> </div>It is copyright infringement. But your chance of getting caught is virtually zero.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[floydb1982 posted : If all your doing is checking out audio CD's for your local library and copy them to your computer without sharing the music files over the internet are you aloud to do that or is it a copyright infringement?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[81399672 posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/413887" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=413887');">axus</a>:</small><br><br>The difference is you are certain that someone had the money if they paid for it... when I was in high school/college I knew plenty of downloaders, now that everyone I know has money, nobody pirates<br> </div>Are you sure no one pirates? You might think they don't pirate but they like do. If you know what you're doing, their is no reason of why you would not continue doing it.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[BF69 posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/326902" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=326902');">james</a>:</small><br><br> Free distribution isn't piracy, piracy is when people sell copies for money and take actual sales away from the owner.<br> </div>If I give out a million version of some piece of software for FREE instead I'm not taking away actual sales away from the owner? I beg to differ.<br><br>And to say "well those people never would have bought that real thing anyways" isn't an exucse. You could use that to justify any theft. People that spend their hard earned money on software have to pay and people too cheap to pay get it for FREE and somehow there is nothing wrong with this? Of course there is. If something is not worth paying for then it's not worth having then, now is it?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Kearnstd posted : these are the pirates worth spending resources on.  people uploading and downloading dont hurt any media or software industry.   People selling pirate material do cause harm as for one thing they tend to get their stuff from mass pirate press shops.<br><small>--<br>[65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[81399672 posted : Sorry mistyped. i meant to say it's not illegal to download it and only illegal to upload it. You can't post any example of anyone being criminally convicted for just downloading pirated stuff and not selling it<br><small>--<br>i am not a lawyer but I do play one on the internet</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ThrowDemsOut posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1358638" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1358638');">81399672</a>:</small><br><br>here is big differences that you seem not never understand. They were selling pirated stuff as such as that is illegal and as you correctly posted will put you in jail. Downloading pirate software is not against any criminal law and such will not put you in jail. Technically it's not even illegal to download pirated stuff and <b>not illegal to upload it</b> as that is the only people riaa ever goes after. Sorry tk junk mail i know you really try to scare people but it's not working<br> </div>Wrong!!<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.unc.edu/~unclng/copy-corner66.htm" >www.unc.edu/~unclng/copy-corner66.htm</A><br><div class="bquote">There are four essential elements required to prove felony copyright infringement:  (1) that a registered copyright exists, (2) that the defendant infringed by<b> reproduction or distribution of the copyrighted work</b>, (3) that the defendant acted willfully and (4) that the works infringed were at least 10 copies of one or more copyrighted works with a total value of $2,500 within a 180-day period.  Willfulness continues to be a very illusive concept, but the statute provides no definition. </div>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/usamay2001_5.htm" >www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrim&middot;&middot;&middot;01_5.htm</A><br><div class="bquote">Until recently, the prosecution was required to prove that copyright infringement was done willfully and for commercial advantage or private financial gain. Now the <b>law provides for prosecution in the absence of these monetary considerations</b>. Specifically, the current statute, as codified at 17 U.S.C. &sect; 506(a)(2), allows for prosecution in cases involving large scale illegal reproduction or distribution of copyrighted works where the infringers act willfully, but without a discernible profit motive.<br><br>Cases alleging illegal distribution of copyrighted materials without commercial gain have been charged all over the country. In August 1999, the first person was convicted for illegally posting computer software programs, <b>musical recordings, and digitally-recorded movies</b> on his Web site, and allowing the general public to download and copy these products free of charge. The Oregon defendant pleaded guilty to a felony.<br><br>Prosecutors should not hesitate to utilize this avenue of enforcement. In many cases the damage to the victim may be enormous although the infringer is not profiting financially. In fact, because the copyrighted materials are provided without charge to the entire Internet-using public, the demand for the infringing goods provided for free may increase dramatically and result in great potential loss to the rights holder.</div>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.cybercrime.gov/thomasPlea.htm" >www.cybercrime.gov/thomasPlea.htm</A><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.cybercrime.gov/mccauslandPlea.htm" >www.cybercrime.gov/mccauslandPlea.htm</A><br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[81399672 posted : here is big differences that you seem not never understand. They were selling pirated stuff as such as that is illegal and as you correctly posted will put you in jail. Downloading pirate software is not against any criminal law and such will not put you in jail. Technically it's not even illegal to download pirated stuff and not illegal to upload it as that is the only people riaa ever goes after. Sorry tk junk mail i know you really try to scare people but it's not working<br><small>--<br>i am not a lawyer but I do play one on the internet</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[james posted : Actually, the definition for them to pursue criminal charges it must be "willful and for monetary gain".<br><br>*edit* correction, in the U.S. you are guilty of a felony if you even download a single song, movie or program without the consent of the copyright owner. As Yakov Smirnoff would say: "what a country!"<br><br>On a side note, I think this is the first time I've seen the term software "pirate" applied to actual software pirates. Free distribution isn't piracy, piracy is when people sell copies for money and take actual sales away from the owner.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[amigo_boy posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/594412" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=594412');">ThrowDemsOut</a>:</small><br><br>Copyright infringement is ALSO a criminal offense when the gov't wants to bother to prosecute it.<br> </div>Probably what makes this different is that these guys didn't just copy for the personal use, or give copies away for free to friends (or anyone who connected to their machine). They were counterfeiting, selling it as real retail versions, and confusing the public. <br><br>Maybe people should know that Photoshop for $20 isn't legitimate. But, it still seems different to me. It's amazing they thought they could be so public and get away with it (when people quietly letting strangers grab copies for free via P2P are being discovered).<br><br>Mark]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ThrowDemsOut posted : Copyright infringement is ALSO a criminal offense when the gov't wants to bother to prosecute it.<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20080308/tc_pcworld/143252" >news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/2008030&middot;&middot;&middot;d/143252</A><br><div class="bquote">On Nov. 7, Maurice Robberson pled guilty to conspiracy and felony copyright infringement, while Thomas Robberson pled guilty to a single count of <b>felony copyright infringement</b>.</div>It isn't just a civil offense as many people think. <br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 12:31:17 EDT</pubDate>
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