openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | Read Your ISP's "Privacy" Statement Most of these actions are covered in the privacy statements that you implicitly agree by receiving the statement and not opting out. This is not different than a company obtaining your "consent" via their privacy statement to sell your information to their "marketing partners". Sadly, a majority of people ignore ToS, AUP, Privacy Statements, etc. and just pay their monthly bills with no comprehension of what they've agreed to. |
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| said by openbox9:This is not different than a company obtaining your "consent" via their privacy statement to sell your information to their "marketing partners". I think there's a difference between eTrade selling my name and address to their partners (to target investment products to me in junk mail) and them selling specific information about my investments, trades, how much money I have, the financial institutions I transfer it to/from.
That's why I think those two laws mentioned earlier in the thread apply (or should apply). What ISPs are doing is essentially disclosing details about your communications (not just your subscription).
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said by openbox9:Most of these actions are covered in the privacy statements that you implicitly agree by receiving the statement and not opting out. This is not different than a company obtaining your "consent" via their privacy statement to sell your information to their "marketing partners". Sadly, a majority of people ignore ToS, AUP, Privacy Statements, etc. and just pay their monthly bills with no comprehension of what they've agreed to. Are you implying consumers/customers actually have a choice in the matter, or that terms are negotiated with your ISP? Do you mean to imply there are laws which protect consumers/customers from these predatory business practices? People have little choice among ISPs, and even less choice re the terms of ISP services. This entire subject begs for legislative action. Especially, since the FCC and FTC have chosen to look the other way. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | I'm implying that you have options to opt out of a lot of things that ISPs (and many other businesses) do with some of your personal information. I'm also implying that if you as a consumer don't take action to protect yourself as much as possible, then you shouldn't expect anybody else to do so? As for choice, there's always a choice. You might not like your option(s), but you do have an option to choose. Why are many people so eager to jump on the legislation bandwagon? |
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| said by openbox9:Why are many people so eager to jump on the legislation bandwagon? That ship left the harbor a long time ago. If you want to eliminate food and drug quality laws, building and zoning codes, banking regulations, the Securities and Exchange commission, societal creation of corporate entities, corporation commissions (the list goes forever) then I could understand your position (and it would place you in the realm of the irrelevant fringe).
Otherwise we've already established over the past 200 years that we're a society who believes markets work better with basic, uniform standards, not a raw "caveat emptor" environment.
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said by openbox9:I'm implying that you have options to opt out of a lot of things that ISPs (and many other businesses) do with some of your personal information. Said the person who has clearly never tried to opt-out of anything. If you did, then you would know that opting out does absolutely nothing to protect your information from disclosure as much as it serves as an implicit acknowledgment that you know it is occurring. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | I opt out of every "privacy" statement that I receive from my financial institutions and service providers. I receive very little "value added partner marketing" material. So, I'd say that opting out does help in that sense. Also, I'm not naive enough to believe that I have any real privacy, so I guess my implicit acknowledgement is irrelevant. |
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join:2003-02-13
Stepford, CA
1 edit | said by openbox9:I opt out of every "privacy" statement that I receive from my financial institutions and service providers. I receive very little "value added partner marketing" material. So, I'd say that opting out does help in that sense. Also, I'm not naive enough to believe that I have any real privacy, so I guess my implicit acknowledgement is irrelevant. But opting out is, in fact, utterly useless. You jump through the company's hoops, and in the end, 6 months later, you get a post card letting you know that your info is still fair game to their trading partner and the bartering/selling of information is controlled by the federal and your state's privacy laws. And since most states don't have any privacy laws, and, the federal government certainly does have any either, specifically where financial data is concerned, you're still SOL, and, opting out is still a friggin' joke.
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | Ok, so don't opt out. I for one will continue opting out of items that I don't want part of because I do see a benefit. Even if it's every six months (not sure where that came from), it takes all of about 15 seconds to click the "opt out" button, or dial a phone number. |
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