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  woody7 Premium join:2000-10-13 Torrance, CA
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what it had to do with is that "bush" wants to have the perception that that there are/is no one against him. If you are going to protest you have to do it someplace else or you are relegated to a spot where no one can see...The article was not about the "patriot act" or whatever name it goes by. It was about our most basic freedom, that we have the right to protest and how it is slowly be subverted.What is really troubling is this president espoused to be strong "constitutionalist" and has done more irreparable harm to it than any other president in history.What is happening here is as bad as in Israel. Knee jerk reaction on steroids. blatant censorship. I don't condone piracy, but... -- BlooMe | |   Tzale Proud Libertarian Conservative Premium join:2004-01-06 Sweden
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| said by woody7 :what it had to do with is that "bush" wants to have the perception that that there are/is no one against him. If you are going to protest you have to do it someplace else or you are relegated to a spot where no one can see...The article was not about the "patriot act" or whatever name it goes by. It was about our most basic freedom, that we have the right to protest and how it is slowly be subverted.What is really troubling is this president espoused to be strong "constitutionalist" and has done more irreparable harm to it than any other president in history.What is happening here is as bad as in Israel. Knee jerk reaction on steroids. blatant censorship. I don't condone piracy, but... The Constitution is the most sacred document in this land... I agree 100% that we need to defend it... But all I'm saying is that the government THINKS they can step on our rights, but the people will NOT allow them to do so... I REFUSE to let them step on my rights. So far they have not. If they ever do, I will be sure to fight them.
-Tzale -- Neoconservatives (G.W.B) are not real conservatives. A conservative believes in defending the Constitution. First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. - RON PAUL 2008 »www.usconstitution.net/const.html
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| so spying/intercepting your email/phone calls by any telecom, that was probably strong armed at a minimum without legal due process is not stepping on your (all of us) right(s)? What exactly do you consider stepping on, I am curious? The people have allowed them, in their belief that they are being protected. Except for a few news broadcasts, where is the uproar? The real problem is that the so called democracies around the world are chipping slowly away at the rights of it's citizens, and for the most part they are like sheep. Blocking a website, just because a judge says so is censorship, plain and simple, Peace -- BlooMe | |   Tzale Proud Libertarian Conservative Premium join:2004-01-06 Sweden
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| said by woody7 :so spying/intercepting your email/phone calls by any telecom, that was probably strong armed at a minimum without legal due process is not stepping on your (all of us) right(s)? What exactly do you consider stepping on, I am curious? The people have allowed them, in their belief that they are being protected. Except for a few news broadcasts, where is the uproar? The real problem is that the so called democracies around the world are chipping slowly away at the rights of it's citizens, and for the most part they are like sheep. Blocking a website, just because a judge says so is censorship, plain and simple, Peace Well my actions haven't been limited yet... I don't know what is going on behind the scenes, but so far I have been able to say what I want and not have men in black suits take me away. 
If the government here starts censoring websites, that would be an infringement on my rights.
-Tzale -- Neoconservatives (G.W.B) are not real conservatives. A conservative believes in defending the Constitution. First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. - RON PAUL 2008 »www.usconstitution.net/const.html
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