Re: February AV Comparatives are out. in Security http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20143245 en Mon, 06 Oct 2008 09:41:53 EDT Mon, 06 Oct 2008 09:41:53 EDT Re: February AV Comparatives are out. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20241784 Name Game : Not really..that part was trashed. ;)

But you might find this interesting

»www.wilderssecurity.com/showthre···t=204204]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20241784 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:44:00 EDT Re: February AV Comparatives are out. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20240771 anon :
said by RejZoR :

trust me do not belive in IBK antivirus test the: av-comparatives, just take a look at this thread: »www.wilderssecurity.com/showthre···t1211210

IBK you got punked.
Crappy link homeslice - you gots to be a member to read it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20240771 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:59:46 EDT Re: February AV Comparatives are out. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20237079 anon : trust me do not belive in IBK antivirus test the: av-comparatives, just take a look at this thread: »www.wilderssecurity.com/showthre···t1211210

IBK you got punked.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20237079 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:53:53 EDT Re: February AV Comparatives are out. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20163731 anon :
said by Mele20 See Profile :

Unfortunately F-Prot gagged Dr. Bontchev so he won't be able to do that and even the Inspector is now posting obsfucations and accusing me of dragging up a VERY IMPORTANT historical thread regarding Andreas Marx tests and NOD32. The Inspector claims that all that is irrelevant now. History is irrelevant to understanding the present? Geez...:(
Something that really disgusts me is that the "VERY IMPORTANT historical thread" was severely distorted by the unexplained deletion of posts from Rodzilla which proved beyond doubt that Andreas Marx forged the logs he quoted to "prove his innocence." Some references to those posts still exist, but the posts themselves vanished years ago.

said by Mele20 See Profile :

Dr. Bontchev did act childish in the thread on F-Prot and DrWeb leaving AV-Comparatives testing. He had some very interesting, strong points but he spoiled some of his observations by his childish name calling of IBK ...and he repeatly flung insults and mud at IBK.
I think it's more that he was trying to get his point across with the typical Eastern European lack of subtlety.

said by Mele20 See Profile :

He is the world's greatest AV researcher
Not to insult Bontchev, and I'm sure he will not take this as such, but he is nowhere near that. He was certainly the expert's expert on macro viruses, but there are many far superior virus researchers, past and present - Veldman, Marko, Skulason, Szor, Grund, Kaspersky, St. Nietzel, to name just a few.

said by Mele20 See Profile :

Still, I don't agree with F-Prot gagging him. He was not speaking for F-Prot and I think Fridrick should have let him continue.
I am in full agreement here. Dr. Bontchev was speaking as himself, not as spokesperson for F-Prot.

Even though I disagree with "world's greatest AV researcher", IMHO Bontchev's years of experience would certainly give him a better-than-average insight into the technical competence or lack therof of any antivirus tester, and right or wrong, he should have been permitted to publicly express his thoughts.

By the same token, Andreas Clementi should have been given full right of rebuttal. He's younger and more restrained, and perhaps if Bontchev had followed his lead we would have seen some productive dialog, but courtesy of heavy handed moderation, and through no fault of his own, Clementi has been pushed into the shadow of "Censorship benefits only those who have something to hide."

This episode took some of the shine off Andreas Clementi, at least in my eyes. I haven't discarded his tests and I still regard them as a thousand times better than AV-Test.org's crap, but to many Wilders readers Vesselin Bontchev, having the bigger reputation, won by default. And that's not how it should be.

Saffron - laptopping from Honolulu ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20163731 Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:37:28 EDT Re: February AV Comparatives are out. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20152147 Name Game : You are a gentleman...I found them both faily consistent in the results on the products..with some differences in how F-Secure and Sophos scored. That is good news for the Vendors when two well respected TEST Organizations publish data that gives them all (vendors) goals to hit on standards set for the next time around.
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said by IBK See Profile :

no, you are confusing Marx tests (at Sunbelt) with the ones from av-comparatives!
BTW..do you have any comments on the differences seen on these recent product test results and standings rated by these two organizations ?
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www.av-comparatives.org/seiten/ergebnisse_2008_02.php

Or you can see some of the same stuff ..but with letter grades reworked by Alex Eckelberry.

Anti-virus comparison test of current anti-malware products, March 2008
Copyright © 2008 AV-Test GmbH, Last Update: 2008-03-10

»www.sunbelt-software.com/ihs/ale···b_US.htm
Details for "Detection of ad- and spyware" (column C)

»www.sunbelt-software.com/ihs/ale···ion1.htm

Details for "Detection of malware samples" (column B)
Number of samples
»www.sunbelt-software.com/ihs/ale···ion2.htm

»sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2008/03···rus.html

But I do not know how Alex got around this problem..

For more results and some guidance to the results, you MUST read the report!
ALL PRODUCTS WERE UPDATED THE 4th FEBRUARY 2008.
It is forbidden to provide the tables or results in full or in parts on other sites! Please just refer a link to www.av-comparatives.org
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said by bcruze See Profile :

this is all im getting ?

Error 404 - File not found

The requested file could not be found.
Go here and then go to the comparatives:

»www.av-comparatives.org/seiten/home.html

The original link does not work. Note that the site states specifically
quote:
Please link ONLY to our main site www.av-comparatives.org and not to the other subpages.
It's forbidden to provide our test results/documents on other sites without our permission.
If you find anything on other sites, please inform the forum/site admin to remove it.

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Error 404 - File not found

The requested file could not be found.

Please ensure that you are trying to access the correct URL. Only links to our main site are allowed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20151515 Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:54:02 EDT Re: February AV Comparatives are out. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20151214 Bubba1 :
said by Buddahs Twin See Profile :

Best is in the eye of the beholder.
Aesthetics, I too think, greatly impact choices.

As for such tests, I've always thought if one targeted top 10, certainly top 5, for prospective use .. coupling it with additional safe practices/behavior .. one cannot go wrong.

For me, test result surprises include AVG (I've not had much respect for it), BitDefender (historically, it's usually in the top 5 area) and Trend Micro (where is it?!? .. I've been reading it was a serious charger and making huge moves).
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said by saffron :

Now I'm waiting for Dr. Bontchev to set his "incompetent AV tester" sights on a much more deserving case - Andreas Marx and his AV-Test.org.
Unfortunately F-Prot gagged Dr. Bontchev so he won't be able to do that and even the Inspector is now posting obsfucations and accusing me of dragging up a VERY IMPORTANT historical thread regarding Andreas Marx tests and NOD32. The Inspector claims that all that is irrelevant now. History is irrelevant to understanding the present? Geez...:(

Dr. Bontchev did act childish in the thread on F-Prot and DrWeb leaving AV-Comparatives testing. He had some very interesting, strong points but he spoiled some of his observations by his childish name calling of IBK ...and he repeatly flung insults and mud at IBK. He is the world's greatest AV researcher but he is also a hothead which was quite apparent in that thread and that reflects negatively on his reputation. Still, I don't agree with F-Prot gagging him. He was not speaking for F-Prot and I think Fridrick should have let him continue.

The upshot of that thread was my posting a comment on it in the Avira forum.
»forum.avira.com/thread.php?posti···st317028
I'm disappointed with all the tests and I don't think that currently we users have any truly reliable way to determine which AV is the "best" or better than another except perhaps being able to weed out the extremely poor AVs. As for all the others, there is no reliable way to tell which is the leader. They are all the same and as long as the vendors and the testers snipe at each other and cannot get together and agree on a valid, fair test then we users are left to flail about in the dark when we try to decide which AV is the leader. We should just make our decisions based on other factors not the detection rates.
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said by spoofer :

»www.av-comparatives.org/seiten/e···8_02.php
Dr. Vesselin Bontchev (if you need to ask who he is you don't deserve to know) gave it to Andreas Clementi big time a couple of weeks ago, and that made me re-examine my long time faith in AV-Comparatives. I'm not sure I like what I'm seeing in 2008.

Now I'm waiting for Dr. Bontchev to set his "incompetent AV tester" sights on a much more deserving case - Andreas Marx and his AV-Test.org.

"Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20150958 Wed, 12 Mar 2008 06:23:43 EDT Re: February AV Comparatives are out. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20143571 MarkAW : Mele20 is right this is the result for the 15 antivirus programs tested and the one Antispyware.

1. TrustPort AV WS 99.8%

2. AntiVir PE Premium 99.6%

3. AntiVirusKit (AVK) 99.5%

4. Kaspersky AV 98.3%

?.AVG Anti-Malware 98.1

5. Norton Anti-Virus 97.7%

5. NOD32 Antivirus 97.7%

6. avast! Professional 97.6%

7. F-Secure Anti-Virus 97.5%

7. eScan Anti-Virus 97.5%

8.Sophos Anti-Virus 96.6%

9. BitDefender Prof.+ 96.5%

9. McAfee VirusScan+94.9%

10. Norman ISS AV+AS 94,2%

11. Microsoft OneCare 93.9%

12. VBA32 Anti-Virus 87.7%
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For those viewing the online results, I noticed the "Detection of polymorphic viruses" section is not posted online for the February comparative.

I did notice that they are on page 7, #7 of the report.

Love my polymorphic viruses!
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said by Elite See Profile :

For those too lazy to read the report:

AVG had the fifth highest detection rates (98.1%). It uses 1 engine.
That is misleading. It is AVG ANTI-MALWARE that ranked 5th. AVG itself was NOT tested and would rank much lower. So, those using AVG FREE version are not getting the protection that is shown in this test.
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said by KoRnGtL15 See Profile :

I just got Avira Premium not to long ago. Its actually a free 6 month trial. However. When its up. I will be buying it. Will the new engine be a free upgrade?
I'm quite sure it would be. Avira licenses are measured in years, not versions. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20143341 Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:41:00 EDT Re: February AV Comparatives are out. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20143245 Elite : For those too lazy to read the report:

TrustPort had the highest detection rates (99.8%). However, this AV uses 5 engines.

Avira had the second highest detection rates (99.6%). It uses 1 engine.

AVK had the third highest detection rates (99.5%). Again, this AV uses 2 engines.

KAV had the fourth highest detection rates (98.3%). It uses 1 engine (v7 was tested).

AVG had the fifth highest detection rates (98.1%). It uses 1 engine.

Those are the top 5. Symantec and NOD32 tied for 6th place with 97.7% detection.

Looks like Avira and KAV remain the top two engines.
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Just a summary of the results as I see it, considering all of the other players are either A) inferior or B) the same engine, or C) F-Secure (poor client).

Of course if you have 98% and a stable/fast real-time scanner you're still perhaps doing better than KAV.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20141998 Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:46:04 EDT Re: February AV Comparatives are out. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20141949 Thug21 :

Truth be told, it normally does beat KAV by a little bit. Both products are known for very good detection, though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20141949 Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:37:21 EDT February AV Comparatives are out. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20141927 anon : »www.av-comparatives.org/seiten/e···8_02.php

AntiVir beat KAV.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20141927 Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:32:34 EDT