Re: wow in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20145356 en Sun, 23 Nov 2008 04:45:06 EDT Sun, 23 Nov 2008 04:45:06 EDT Re: wow http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20149542 tc1uscg :
said by NormanS See Profile :

said by punker See Profile :

i am beting ISP are using this for illegal wire tapping for the NSA
AT&T, at least, has been wiretapping for the NSA long before the likes of NeubAd and Phorm started profiling users. More likely that the profilers are using NSA technology, not the other way around.
... and Verizon, Sprint.. think Qwest was the only one who had the BALLS to stand back and say "Now wait a minute".. Look at'em now?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20149542 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:04:10 EDT Re: wow http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20147630 NormanS :
said by punker See Profile :

i am beting ISP are using this for illegal wire tapping for the NSA
AT&T, at least, has been wiretapping for the NSA long before the likes of NeubAd and Phorm started profiling users. More likely that the profilers are using NSA technology, not the other way around.
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That's what the Nebuad and Phorm guys have been saying in interviews recently (for example in this Register article). But what posters describe in the forum yesterday, linked in the blurb at the top, is clearly injection of foreign content (into Google homepage, for example).
I believe they're confusing the issue based on those early reports about Fair Eagle doing so. I've confirmed the NebuAD model does not inject over-riding content that derails existing ad systems or over-rides a webmaster's wishes.

I can't speak to Phorm, as I've spent less time studying them, but I don't think they do that either. They're doing a number of things differently, including trying to pitch their service as an anti-phishing solution, which is pretty lame.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20146200 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:25:50 EDT Re: wow http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20146119 MyDogHsFleas :
said by swhx7 See Profile :

But what posters describe in the forum yesterday, linked in the blurb at the top, is clearly injection of foreign content (into Google homepage, for example).
I see no mention of injecting foreign CONTENT, just tracking cookies. This is quite different from injecting actual ADS onto Google, for example. You may object to the cookies but it's important to be clear on what is actually being done. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20146119 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:14:14 EDT Re: wow http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20146067 swhx7 :
said by Karl Bode See Profile :

To be clear, NebuAD does not "insert" ads above or on top of existing ad arrangements. They monitor users via network hardware and then present more tailored ads in the traditional fashion via existing advertising networks.

That's what the Nebuad and Phorm guys have been saying in interviews recently (for example in this Register article). But what posters describe in the forum yesterday, linked in the blurb at the top, is clearly injection of foreign content (into Google homepage, for example).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20146067 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:04:45 EDT Re: wow http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20145536 Karl Bode : NebuAD pays the ISP simply to store the device. Other ad arrangements also pay the ISP.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20145536 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:29:22 EDT Re: wow http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20145514 MyDogHsFleas :
said by Karl Bode See Profile :

Yep. Websites get paid the same way. Only new money is that the ISP gets mailed a check every month for sticking a deep inspection device on the network...
Who pays the ISP? The ad services, e.g. Google AdWords? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20145514 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:25:05 EDT Re: wow http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20145496 Karl Bode : Yep. Websites get paid the same way. Only new money is that the ISP gets mailed a check every month for sticking a deep inspection device on the network...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20145496 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:22:11 EDT Re: wow http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20145446 MyDogHsFleas :
said by Karl Bode See Profile :

To be clear, NebuAD does not "insert" ads above or on top of existing ad arrangements. They monitor users via network hardware and then present more tailored ads in the traditional fashion via existing advertising networks.

That ad-injection system (Fair Eagle) was a rogue ISP using one of their WISP ad platforms incorrectly on a wired network in Texas.
OK, thanks for the info. So the website owners get paid for running the ads, even though the ads that are run are tailored via input from the NebuAD tracking service which harvests tracking information from all your website visits. Do I have it straight? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20145446 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:11:22 EDT Re: wow http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20145419 Karl Bode : To be clear, NebuAD does not "insert" ads above or on top of existing ad arrangements. They monitor users via network hardware and then present more tailored ads in the traditional fashion via existing advertising networks.

That ad-injection system (Fair Eagle) was a rogue ISP using one of their WISP ad platforms incorrectly on a wired network in Texas.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20145419 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:05:56 EDT Re: wow http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20145356 MyDogHsFleas : This is my question, also.

Are the ads inserted ONLY on pages of the Wide Open West website? Or, are they inserted on OTHER websites not owned by W.O.W.?

If it's the latter, I think that's a bad thing, both technically (it can screw up website views) and legally (they're on shaky ground and may be sued by the website owners).

If it's the former, I can live with it, personally. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20145356 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:50:44 EDT wow http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20145324 jgkolt : From only on company website

"We may also use an advertising network provider (or providers) to help present advertisements on our website."
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