jc100
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Re: I used to see it that way...
But peace Fresno WAS the Bush administration... =) |
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Re: This Wouldn't Bother Me So Much ...
said by pnh102  :said by ackman :I wouldn't be so worried about the effect of this proposed legislation on your personal safety from terrorism, they're focusing more on wiretapping sex "crimes". And why shouldn't we expect people who we entrust with enforcing the laws to actually obey these laws? Just because such people do not agree with these laws does not mean they are magically exempt from the law. Eliot Spitzer is no better than the rogue cops in Montgomery County, Maryland who refuse to pay their speeding camera tickets. They are all punks who believe that they are personally above the law and people with that kind of attitude have no place in government. I wonder why the good Republican senator David Vitters didn't get run out of office for his prostitute-banging. To my knowledge, prostitution is illegal in Washington DC also. Seems he didn't p*ss off any good old boy Republicans with deep pockets like Mr. Spitzer did. I applaud him for going after the stock exchange folks. Funny how we only go after Democrats when they enjoy a little sex on the side. Republicans seem to surround themselves with their preachers, their American flag lapel pins, and they sink their claws into their desks and hang on. So, go ahead and hang him, certainly a lot better to go after a little sex than after Osama, who is laughing his arse off at our incompetence. Yep, proud to be an American. |
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Re: I used to see it that way...
said by SilentMan :Watching such news is what makes you write comments so stupid. ... I go to Venezuela quite often ... Again, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about regarding Hugo Chavez. I can go to Cuba too and see for myself all the wonderful things that Fidel Castro would want an ignorant westerner to see, and then leave the place thinking that he's God's gift to humanity.
Of course, I know better than that. And until you learn more about Hugo Chavez, then there is no point in you attempting to "school" me with regards to what a nice man he might actually be.
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said by pnh102 :said by SilentMan :Venezuela? You have been watching too much Faux News. And if you watched any news at all you might not sound like such an idiot when you say that. Perhaps you should try googling for criticisms of Hugo Chavez's human rights record before you spew more verbal diarrhea. Oh, and I'm adding Bolivia to that list. The fact that 4 eastern states of that country want to secede from the rest of Bolivia is also telling. Watching such news is what makes you write comments so stupid. Unlike you who only watch Faux News or google criticism of Chavez made by ignorants, I go to Venezuela quite often and get involved with the education missions that the Government has instituted there which gives me an opportunity to travel throughout the country teaching people how to read and write; that gives me first hand experience of the Revolutionary process being conducted there. You, on the other hand, know nothing about Chavez or Venezuela or Bolivia (probably can't even find them on a map) except what the ignorants in the corporate press tell you, so you should get educated first before making such illiterate and ridiculous comments about those countries. |
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Re: This Wouldn't Bother Me So Much ...
said by ackman :I wouldn't be so worried about the effect of this proposed legislation on your personal safety from terrorism, they're focusing more on wiretapping sex "crimes". And why shouldn't we expect people who we entrust with enforcing the laws to actually obey these laws? Just because such people do not agree with these laws does not mean they are magically exempt from the law.
Eliot Spitzer is no better than the rogue cops in Montgomery County, Maryland who refuse to pay their speeding camera tickets. They are all punks who believe that they are personally above the law and people with that kind of attitude have no place in government.
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Re: I used to see it that way...
said by jc100 :Damn.. there was this site.. hummm that the government shut down in violation of first amendment rights.. Let's see.. Wikileaks... O ya, guess they are targeting people. Ahh yes... and if you actually bothered to read up on the case, it was not the Bush administration that did this, but an idiot judge in California. The ruling was also reversed and the site is back up.
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said by ackman :Any you're feeling pretty confident in the United States' record on human rights? When did we let women start to vote? How about how we treat people of color? Absolutely. I would never say we are a perfect country, but we do better for people here than just about every other country. Anyone who feels different is free to leave, which unlike the countries I listed, we make very easy to do.
said by ackman :I'm proud to be an American, I'm ashamed and embarrassed of our government. Sure you are. If you are that proud, you would go read up on the facts surrounding the Iraq War as well as Hugo Chavez before you take the Simon Cowell approach to sticking up for "your" country.
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jc100
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Damn.. there was this site.. hummm that the government shut down in violation of first amendment rights.. Let's see.. Wikileaks... O ya, guess they are targeting people.
Or how about that group... let's see... Peace Fresno, where the government sent a cop to spy on Teachers and Professionals who spoke up against the government. I guess that doesn't constitute targeting everyone?
Ah ya, it must be nice living in your delusional world. Does it come with blanket bliss and ignorance? |
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said by mech1164 :Quite true, but what is the first responsibility of government? To protect its people from threats. Be that external or internal. By what the Dems in the House are doing we can't do neither. BTW for all those people that cry out Privacy, PSST they don't care. You are not that sanctimoniously worth it to them. The Government obviously is failing to do that... Have you ever been to the Home Depot in Lodi on a weekday morning??? A lot of illegal Mexicans asking for a job (and takes away American jobs)...
Taking away our freedoms in the name of security is NOT protection. It's a VIOLATION of our rights... Of course, you need to use some common sense.
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said by pnh102 :said by SilentMan :Venezuela? You have been watching too much Faux News. And if you watched any news at all you might not sound like such an idiot when you say that. Perhaps you should try googling for criticisms of Hugo Chavez's human rights record before you spew more verbal diarrhea. Oh, and I'm adding Bolivia to that list. The fact that 4 eastern states of that country want to secede from the rest of Bolivia is also telling. Any you're feeling pretty confident in the United States' record on human rights? When did we let women start to vote? How about how we treat people of color? Slavery really wasn't that long ago. More recently, we unilaterally invaded another sovereign country and killed their leader, violating international law. How many hundreds of thousands of people of Iraqis did we kill in that one? Estimates are as high as 1 million and as low as 300,000. I don't think those were all Bush's "terrorists". Oh, and Chavez? Yep, he was giving low cost heating oil to the poor in our country. You might say he was doing it to shove a stick in devil Bush's eye. But the difference between Chavez and Bush is at least Chavez was helping people in the US. Did you know the US has more people in prison than any other country in the world? Let's not even talk about the alleged "terrorists" we have kept in prison without any right to a trial. How about the ones we rendered and tortured, then let go when we found out they were innocent. Yep, we're just a pillar of human rights.
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Re: This Wouldn't Bother Me So Much ...
said by pnh102 :... except for the fact that I work in an area that would probably be in the fallout zone of a terrorist attack. I wouldn't be so worried about the effect of this proposed legislation on your personal safety from terrorism, they're focusing more on wiretapping sex "crimes". |
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Re: I used to see it that way...
said by SilentMan :Venezuela? You have been watching too much Faux News. And if you watched any news at all you might not sound like such an idiot when you say that. Perhaps you should try googling for criticisms of Hugo Chavez's human rights record before you spew more verbal diarrhea.
Oh, and I'm adding Bolivia to that list. The fact that 4 eastern states of that country want to secede from the rest of Bolivia is also telling.
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mech1164
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said by Tzale :said by Noah Vail :said by pnh102 :... except for the fact that I work in an area that would probably be in the fallout zone of a terrorist attack. That was while we were arguing over a warrant for one call at a time. Today, we are cloning all the internet traffic running through peer pipes, and handing the FBI unrestricted access to all Verizon traffic. This is a pretty good definition of the government spying on all of us. I have moved from support of my government to defending myself from my government. NV A good citizen doesn't "support" the Government. A good citizen CRITICIZES the Government... Thomas Jefferson and our founding fathers said it themselves... The Government should fear YOU, you should NOT fear the Government. -Tzale Quite true, but what is the first responsibility of government? To protect its people from threats. Be that external or internal. By what the Dems in the House are doing we can't do neither. BTW for all those people that cry out Privacy, PSST they don't care. You are not that sanctimoniously worth it to them. |
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SilentMan
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said by pnh102 :said by en102 :What other country have you lived in to experience this ? I don't have to live anywhere else to know. I do however, read about the daily lives of people living in places like the old Soviet bloc, North Korea, China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Zimbabwe, Venezuela, and Cuba to know that in the USA, we have it very good. You don't have to pee on an electric fence to know that it is generally a bad idea. Venezuela? You have been watching too much Faux News.
Oh! Millions of energy saving light bulbs have been installed in Venezuelan homes and every single one of them contains a microphone so that the Government can listen in to what people say in their houses. /sarcasm  |
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Tzale
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said by Noah Vail :said by pnh102 :... except for the fact that I work in an area that would probably be in the fallout zone of a terrorist attack. That was while we were arguing over a warrant for one call at a time. Today, we are cloning all the internet traffic running through peer pipes, and handing the FBI unrestricted access to all Verizon traffic. This is a pretty good definition of the government spying on all of us. I have moved from support of my government to defending myself from my government. NV A good citizen doesn't "support" the Government. A good citizen CRITICIZES the Government... Thomas Jefferson and our founding fathers said it themselves... The Government should fear YOU, you should NOT fear the Government.
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said by Kevin Dupuy :By the way, I've been seeing 'scare-mongering' ads on TV like "THe Senate approved the bill to hear what terrorists are planning. What is wrong with the ad? What it says is completely true.
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said by Kevin Dupuy :th government should be able to take away any rights, especially those written into the Bill of Rights! The right under discussion is privacy which doesn't exist in the Constitution. It wasn't recognized until 1964 as part of a case involving a woman's right to access birth control, and it was based upon a relatively new concept of imposing the Bill of Rights against state infringement which began around 1924.
The protection against search and seizure only says "unreasonable" searches and seizures. Obviously some are reasonable.
I'm not arguing against privacy or better protections against searches. Just that it's not as simple as some people wish it were.
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Kevin Dupuy
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1st: No one is saying US citizens have 'no rights'. And we are lucky and fortunate to live an a mostly free country. Here's the thing: In America, there should be NO way th government should be able to take away any rights, especially those written into the Bill of Rights!
By the way, I've been seeing 'scare-mongering' ads on TV like "THe Senate approved the bill to hear what terrorists are planning. Why hasn't the House? Call your representative and tell them to pass the "Terrorist Surveillances Act". I wanted to call my Rep. and thank him for not approving the spy program, but of course he's retired and we're in the middle of an election for a new one.
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Re: This Wouldn't Bother Me So Much ...
said by swhx7 :Apart from home-grown fanatics, terrorism has struck the US only once, and it's unclear whether the 2001.09.11 crimes were purely foreign-originated or another Reichstag fire. I see.
You get points for using line breaks, but that's it.
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said by swhx7 :said by pnh102 :... except for the fact that I work in an area that would probably be in the fallout zone of a terrorist attack. Apart from home-grown fanatics, terrorism has struck the US only once, and it's unclear whether the 2001.09.11 crimes were purely foreign-originated or another Reichstag fire. Since then any real threat of terrorism has continued only because US foreign policy, including support of Zionism and wars of aggression and plunder, have made enemies; and concern about it has continued mainly because news media have continuously spewed propaganda designed to foster fear, obedience, and support for the belligerent foreign policy. I think you are needed down at the next racist militia meeting, you'll fit right in. |
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