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kudos:1 | I'll be glad When this administration is gone. |
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| said by rudnicke:When this administration is gone. when the Democrats talk openly, directly, and clearly about WHY attVerizonSprint are being sued and hold that press conference about the DS3 line from Verizon to Quantico.
Until then the Democrats ARE this administration.
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1 edit | Yes because the dems put the DS3 there since bush failed to do it the first 6 years he was spying on us.
Regular police departments usually have a T1 for their CALEA traces, the FBI probably needs something beefier since they do not just cover a single city, county, or town.
However a DS3 will not be able to just tap everything and every CO or mobile switching station requires multiple OC-48 or OC-192 just to handle the voice traffic in their own areas. Backbone circuits are around 40gb between major hubs. There would have to be a REALLY FRIGGIN HUGE mess of circuits from every city to just copy all the voice traffic going over the PTSN alone. That's just covering voice traffic.
What about all the other hundred ways terrorists can communicate. USPS/UPS/FedEx, Instant Messenger, SMS, in a game like 2nd Life. It's endless.
Want to scoop that all up it would be terabytes or more a minute and there's not a storage system in the world that I know of that can digest that. Even Google.
I'm not going to sit here and defend warrantless wiretapping because it's a flagrant violation of checks and balances. I just think this DS3 has gotten more publicity that it deserves.
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| said by NOCMan:warrantless wiretapping because it's a flagrant violation of checks and balances. But, that's a different issue. There may be reasons to change the law. But, that's not the telcos' fault. The AG certified a warrant wasn't necessary. The only thing I've seen which could be unclear is that, when AG Ashcroft went under the knife in 2004 the President certified it. Since he's the AG's boss, there's a presumption that that's at least as good.
This was apparent from Comey's testimony, about 2/3 of the way down:
»thinkprogress.org/comey-testimony/
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said by NOCMan:Yes because the dems put the DS3 there since bush failed to do it the first 6 years he was spying on us. I'm a Bush supporter who's against Bush on this.
My blame for the Democrats
is that in spite of the tremendous political edge
they would get in the upcoming Presidential and Congressional elections,
they're refusing to enunciate the issue.
They won't mention that the lawsuit is over cloning everybody's traffic, instead they choose to let the lawsuit be defined as against wiretapping.
To have so many people, come to the identical wrong conclusion, takes a conscious decision.
They are also choosing to ignore the Verizon-Quantico link.
said by NOCMan:However a DS3 will not be able to just tap everything and every CO or mobile switching station requires multiple OC-48 or OC-192 just to handle the voice traffic in their own areas. All True. But a DS3 can carry 600+voice channel simultaneously and still leave 50+64k channels for bill collecting. This line isn't installed for complete traffic collection. It's for selective packet/voice/record retrieval with no oversight.
said by NOCMan:What about all the other hundred ways terrorists can communicate. USPS/UPS/FedEx, Instant Messenger, SMS, in a game like 2nd Life. It's endless. All of them much more difficult and ungainly than cell and internet usage.
said by NOCMan:Want to scoop that all up it would be terabytes or more a minute and there's not a storage system in the world that I know of that can digest that. Even Google. That's why we have these.
»www.irconnect.com/noc/press/page···d=128618
»www.itjungle.com/tfh/tfh021108-story10.html
The first is the system that can store and sort it.
The second looks to be the collaborative interface that will help tie the data to each of us and share it among other agencies. Neato!
Of course, those are for the NSA's data dump.
said by NOCMan:I'm not going to sit here and defend warrantless wiretapping because it's a flagrant violation of checks and balances. I just think this DS3 has gotten more publicity that it deserves. Yea, all that evening news and front page coverage is almost deafening at times.
said by NOCMan:Besides is the guy a whistle blower or a disgruntled fired employee. Was that a (NSA issued) question? If he was, how does that make any of this go away?
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