DaMaGeINC
The Lan Man
Premium
join:2002-06-08
Greenville, SC
clubs: | 7mbps new?
Come on. Pathetic. This is 2008, we should not be offering anything below 10Mbps. That should be the min when it comes to all broadband. |
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here | I don't think anyone should have broadband unless they're licensed with certified IQ tests. |
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axus
join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC | reply to DaMaGeINC
Its pretty rare that I need so much download. Upload, on the other hand, is way too slow. I'll stick with my 3Mbps until they give the 7Mbps tier at least 1Mb upload. Comcast is pretty sucky with the upload, Cox was great though. |
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IQtests4all
@cox.net
| reply to bogey780
said by bogey780  :I don't think anyone should have broadband unless they're licensed with certified IQ tests. Yeah, as long as the cutoff point is one std. deviation above average... That would knock off you and most other people and a leave a less cluttered, faster internet. No more bandwidth wasted on inane blogs, ugly-ass MySpace pages and fewer lame, waste of bandwidth videos on Youtube. Hear, hear for a better signal-to-noise ratio!!!  |
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SteveCon
IBEW 2222 Boston, MA
Premium
join:2004-09-02
Burlington, MA
| reply to axus
said by axus :Its pretty rare that I need so much download. Upload, on the other hand, is way too slow. I'll stick with my 3Mbps until they give the 7Mbps tier at least 1Mb upload. Comcast is pretty sucky with the upload, Cox was great though. I'm curious about people complaining about upload speeds. It seems to me that the vast majority of people do not need it. I wonder if you looked at your own internet usage, how much have you uploaded in a month vs. how much you downloaded? It seems to me that tapping a few keys or a mouse click or two causes not more than a couple (hundered?) bytes sent or uploaded to retrieve kilo, mega and even giga bytes in return.
Where outside of R&D centers, campuses, and government agencies, etc. that collaborate on large projects over great distances, is a large upload bandwidth really needed? I don't mean students on campus sharing movies, etc. over popular P2P networks here or others that want to violate their ISP's TOS by running a server.. but what are you doing that requires high bandwidth upload capacities?
I'm sure there are a few that really do need it - but are there that many out there that I see bemoaning slow upload rates?
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mindfrost82
join:2003-04-19
Cortland, IL
| This is talking about the upload speeds, not how much bandwidth is required. I run a few remote websites and file servers, and I'm always uploading files to them from home, so the low upload speed really sucks for that. It might not be much traffic, but when I'm uploading a multi-megabyte file and it takes a long time, that's what I don't like.
Stuff like Remote Desktop would also be much better with faster uploads if I need to access my home computer from work. It would also help with my Slingbox |
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RadioDoc
58ef2c0
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
 ·AT&T Midwest
| reply to SteveCon
Try sending a bunch of 10 megapixel candid shots of your kid's birthday party to their grandparents.
Or that digital home video of the same.
Or sending large PDFs.
Or video chat.
Try working online from home while others in the house are doing any of the above if all you have is 384 up.
It is a painful experience.
There are multitudes of legitimate non-business needs for more than a piddly upload.
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jt66
@comcast.net | reply to DaMaGeINC
keep in mind not everyone needs that kind of service. they will needs a slow and lower cost service for mom and pop. there is alot of people who check email only. they dont need 10 mb. |
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
 ·PHONE POWER
 ·AT&T U-Verse
·AT&T CallVantage
·Time Warner VOIP
 ·RoadRunner Cable
1 edit | reply to axus
quote:
I'll stick with my 3Mbps until they give the 7Mbps tier at least 1Mb upload
It's probably not going to happen without an upgrade to ADSL2+ or something better. Verizon's 3/768 and 7/768 tiers are "over-capped" to compensate for ATM overhead, and are fairly close to the ADSL1 "standard" maximum upload of 896kbps.
I think there have been some instances of tweaking the ADSL1 spec to get better uploads (Sprint ION comes to mind). But I think Verizon's 7/768 plan is pretty much the end of the road for standard DSL. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| reply to mindfrost82
said by mindfrost82 :This is talking about the upload speeds, not how much bandwidth is required. I run a few remote websites and file servers, and I'm always uploading files to them from home, so the low upload speed really sucks for that. It might not be much traffic, but when I'm uploading a multi-megabyte file and it takes a long time, that's what I don't like. Stuff like Remote Desktop would also be much better with faster uploads if I need to access my home computer from work. It would also help with my Slingbox running your own websites and servers it what a BUSINESS ACCOUNT is for. Try reading the TOS of your ISP. |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
| said by BF69 :said by mindfrost82 :This is talking about the upload speeds, not how much bandwidth is required. I run a few remote websites and file servers, and I'm always uploading files to them from home, so the low upload speed really sucks for that. It might not be much traffic, but when I'm uploading a multi-megabyte file and it takes a long time, that's what I don't like. Stuff like Remote Desktop would also be much better with faster uploads if I need to access my home computer from work. It would also help with my Slingbox running your own websites and servers it what a BUSINESS ACCOUNT is for. Try reading the TOS of your ISP. Try reading his post. He's not running a web server on his home connection, he's uploading files to his website FROM HOME. |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
| reply to jt66
said by jt66 :
keep in mind not everyone needs that kind of service. they will needs a slow and lower cost service for mom and pop. there is alot of people who check email only. they dont need 10 mb.
This is a logical fallacy.
Of course they need 10Mbit, both up and down. Even my daughter's 60-year old grandparents send tons and tons of photos. If everyone had 10Mbit connections to send/receive, they would obviously be able to send and receive their pictures faster. If everyone had 10Mbit, sending home videos starts to become feasible as well. |
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mindfrost82
join:2003-04-19
Cortland, IL
| reply to Matt
Exactly, thank you MattE.
I know Slingbox and Remote Desktop could be considered a type of server, but its nothing like running your own website.
My work is on a T1 line and our website is hosted on it, sometimes I work at home on the website and need to upload files or VPN to work, this would be MUCH faster with a faster upload speed. |
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The_ANoN
@verizon.net
| reply to Matt
I wonder if these speeds will then be offered by resellers?? I could sure do with an upgrade from this 3/768. And $40/mo? Thats what Im paying now so it wouldnt hurt. Yeah 7Mbps may be slow to you Cable users, but its much better than this 3Mbps (and best of all, its CHEAPER). And I couldnt care less about the upload. |
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neufuse
join:2006-12-06
Indiana, PA | reply to DaMaGeINC
This coming from someone who is stealing internet to start with  |
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a333
A hot cup of integrals please
join:2007-06-12
Rego Park, NY
 ·Cingular Wireless
·Verizon Online DSL
| I wouldnt mind... heck, my parents think 768K is fine, and I have a hard time making them pay the extra 15 bux for 3/768, let alone $25. A lot of people don't need multi-megabit uploads, which cable doesnt provide consistently anyway. Anyway, 7.1/768 for an uncapped, un throttled (READ: All you comcastic users..) is a pretty damn good deal.
Could the upload be better? Sure, and I'm sure it will, with the increased deployment of ADSL2+. Heck, I'm writing this over an ADSL2+ enabled line.
Peace,
a333 |
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a333
A hot cup of integrals please
join:2007-06-12
Rego Park, NY | reply to DaMaGeINC
say that to AT&T |
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kd6cae
P2p Shouldn't Be A Crime
join:2001-08-27
Lancaster, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
| reply to The_ANoN
7.1/768 is in no way a new tier. It may be a new offering on Verizon's network itself, but other DSL ISP's which connect with Verizon circuits to provide DSL to Verizon phone customers have been able to get 7.1/768 for several years now. Heck I had a local DSL ISP in 2004 and I had 7.1/768 then.
In fact I never have understood why Verizon online itself never offered 7.1/768 to it's customers, when other DSL providers, such as DSL extreme, who connect with the same Verizon equipment, offered the package to their users. You'd think Verizon online would want to offer that tier to it's users, since after all the DSLam's can already do it and are already doing those packages with other providers.
Regarding faster upstream, I think we all could use more of that. People want to do more online, whether that be high quality streaming audio/video, file backup, or whatever, the internet is not one way, and should be treated as a true 2 way network, where one can both send and receive data at a respectable speed. |
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Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
Premium
join:2004-01-06
Sweden
·Verizon FIOS
·Optimum Online
| reply to DaMaGeINC
said by DaMaGeINC :Come on. Pathetic. This is 2008, we should not be offering anything below 10Mbps. That should be the min when it comes to all broadband. Uh..... Lets see.. Verizon is offering Verizon FIOS 20, 30, 50 mbps packages... Places that can't get FIOS are still being serviced with DSL... So I don't see how Verizon is pathetic to offer more bandwidth to existing DSL customers.... If anything, they should be applauded... There is only so much bandwidth you can pull out of a century old copper phone network using DSL technology.
-Tzale
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Hes Dead Jim
@psu.edu | reply to mindfrost82
This is, after all, dsl, and 7mbps over dsl is great for the price compared to its cable counterparts. The standard comcast 6mbps/384k is $52/month if you don't subscribe to their cable tv. |
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