dadkins
Land of Confusion
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
 ·Comcast
| reply to TIGERON
Re: Truth will set you free
Uhm... *MY* connection can blast away(pun intended) as fast as the connection states - and thensome!
I get 17.3mbps on the 16mbps Blast service - I'll live! 
Certainly is not oversold *HERE*.
As for the BT issue, doesn't affect me as I do not use BT.
What Comcast/Sandvine is doing - »Comcast is using Sandvine to manage P2P Connections
* "The interruption is accomplished by sending a perfectly forged TCP packet (correct peer, port, and sequence numbering) with the RST (reset) flag set. This packet is obeyed by the network stack or operating system which drops the connection."
No modem is getting reset, the connection to the peer is dropped.
The HSI connection is still intact.
* Credit funchords 
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jjeffeory
join:2002-12-04
USA | You're in "Hercules, CA". I bet there not oversold either! 8-) |
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a333
A hot cup of integrals please
join:2007-06-12
Corona, NY
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to dadkins
Re: Truth will set you free
"No modem is getting reset, the connection to the peer is dropped."
That's as good as a reset to me, mate. It generally means I have to start afresh, which is the same thing that would happen if my modem reset. Comcast is merely testing the limits of semantics here, nothing else... |
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TIGERON
join:2008-03-11
Pacifica, CA
·AT&T DSL Service
·Comcast
| reply to dadkins
»www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIf63h0Mgyk |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| reply to dadkins
said by dadkins :No modem is getting reset, the connection to the peer is dropped. The HSI connection is still intact. Call a spade a spade.
simply put it is a denial of service to the bittorrent protocol. now not all of us have DDL sites so we have to use BT.
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net neutrality anyone?
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
Premium
join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA
| reply to a333
said by a333 :That's as good as a reset to me, mate. Dropping a single TCP connection and resetting your modem are not anything near the same thing. I don't think you have any clue what you're talking about. |
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
Premium
join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA
| reply to TIGERON
Comcast isn't resetting modems, some modems/routers and bittorrent don't play nicely together. Before you go about making a fool of yourself with your webcam perhaps you should go find out what a TCP packet with the reset flag set actually is (hint: it has nothing to do with your modem resetting). |
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TIGERON
join:2008-03-11
Pacifica, CA
·AT&T DSL Service
·Comcast
moderated:
March 15th, @10:03AM
| I'm not the one making a fool of myself as the evidence showing that Comcast is lying and its posted above before your very eyes. Its right in front of you. I work in IT and know what a badly oversold network is overwhelmed and needs upgrading looks like. Sad part is that many companies aren't enjoying the hefty profits Comcast has.
I wouldn't put it past the CEO of Comcast and his top executives pocketing the money INSTEAD of investing in the company's network infastructure. That's what happened to Adelphia and they got caught and are now in jail (which they rightfully deserved).
Watch the video and get educated about a monopoly that does not care about you. |
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
Premium
join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA
| said by TIGERON :Its right in front of you. A modem resetting every time someone tries to use BT is not evidence that the resetting is a malicious attempt to discourage BT. There are several modems that don't play nicely with bittorrent.
What this issue needs is a whole lot less people like you throwing FUD. You want to bash Comcast for what they are doing (ie: sending forged RST packets), great, but make sure you have a clue what you're talking about before you start promoting yourself as an authority on the issue just because you saw the word reset and noticed that your modem is resetting.
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TIGERON
join:2008-03-11
Pacifica, CA
·AT&T DSL Service
·Comcast
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March 15th, @04:17PM
| Do you work for Comcast? If not, then you have no idea of what you're talking about. And I do not claim to be an authority on the issue either. The guy who posted this video knows about this very issue AND also wrote the code to bypass the Comcast/Sandvine software and the evidence shows the they are actively resetting the modem. Also, the EFF has conducted their own tests PROVING what this guy in the video is saying.
Just like any computerized device that is interacting with Bittorrent, problems can arise. I am aware of the issue. Sounds like you're trying to blow FUD and smoke up people's ass just because your lips are super-glued on the ass of Comcast.
The video is clearly stating it. Also, the guy had the modem's firmware updated and kept his connections to a small, limited amount and STILL HE WAS ACTIVELY DISCONNECTED.
But this isn't the real issue is it?
Stop ignoring what is right in front of you. People like you are part of the reason why comcast has been getting away with this bullshit for as long as they have including lying about the fuzzy bandwidth limits, and yet the CEO is telling his investors that "there is plenty of bandwidth available" when there clearly isn't.
Not for much longer though. |
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
Premium
join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA
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March 15th, @04:27PM
| said by TIGERON :And if there are several modems that don't play nice with Bittorrent, why don't you go on and list which brands that don't? I did. You just chose not to visit the link.
I would like to point out that you don't work for Comcast either and are equally unqualified to state that the modem resetting is malicious. If they were doing it you would hear more about it, but so far you are the first person I have seen complain about it. Your evidence amounts to "I believe it so therefore it's true".
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quote from video discription
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The modem are line are not bad. Comcast was sending me false packets so I edited my modem protocol to get around that. So now they just restart my modem when i am torrenting.
"Edited my modem protocol"??? what is that even supposed to mean, it makes no sense. The guy is an idiot trying to use jargon to make himself seem knowledgeable.
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jaminus
join:2004-10-14
Arlington, VA
| reply to TIGERON
He linked to the modems that are incompatible with Bittorrent in his post.
And as for the YouTube video, it's just one guy who is showing his modem resetting when he opens Bittorrent. Despite this one anecdote, there is no concrete evidence that Comcast is resetting modems. What IS concrete is that Comcast is sending forged RST packets, which are completely different from resetting a modem.
This issue has been reported and analyzed extensively. It doesn't take a Comcast employee to know what Comcast is doing, and what Comcast isn't doing. Resetting modems is something Comcast is not doing. Some guy on YouTube who posted a video doesn't mean a whole lot compared to the thousands of users who have recorded TCP resets when using bittorrent on Comcast. |
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TIGERON
join:2008-03-11
Pacifica, CA | reply to dvd536
The modem is clearly being reset. The video evidence doesn't lie. Even the EFF conducted a similar test. The ones that have financial motive to conveniently ignore the truth are quick to dismiss it when it is front of them. |
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TIGERON
join:2008-03-11
Pacifica, CA
·AT&T DSL Service
·Comcast
| reply to Combat Chuck
Guess what I did visit the link and knew about that a long while ago.
It is malicious what Comcast is doing paint it any color you want. They are resetting the connection by any means possible including sending a signal to the modem to reset. The video evidence does not lie. Its right there for you to see.
I would never want to work for a company like Comcast EVER and don't care to.
However, I would like to point out that YOU HOWEVER DO WORK FOR COMCAST AND YOU ARE FINANCIALLY MOTIVATED TO DEFEND THEM AT ALL COSTS. |
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
Premium
join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA
| said by TIGERON :They are resetting the connection by any means possible including sending a signal to the modem to reset. The video evidence does not lie. Its right there for you to see. The only evidence in that video is the fact that the modem is resetting for some reason that is far from clear, it could be anything from Comcasts doing to someone off camera pulling the plug to a defective modem. But nothing is conclusive as to why.
said by TIGERON :However, I would like to point out that YOU HOWEVER DO WORK FOR COMCAST AND YOU ARE FINANCIALLY MOTIVATED TO DEFEND THEM AT ALL COSTS. Right so now we're resorting to that.
Listen kid, I've been here 6 and a half years (more than that actually under a different long since dead sign on), you're pushing what, 4 days; just who do you work for?
My posting history is viewable by all and I think it's quite clear that I don't work for Comcast; I have defended some of their business practices that some people find unsavory and I have criticized them for others (the latter less so publicly since there's no shortage of people who are more than willing to do so and often by the time I show up, anything I might have said has been said). About the only thing you can say I am is pro-limited government intervention in the private sector. Quite frankly there are hundreds of other people here that fit the "Comcast employee shill" mold better than me, either you already know that or you're very, very gullible. You want to bash Comcast go right ahead but you need to do so based on what they are doing and not because it's trendy to do so thus you're willing to throw reality out the window.
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a333
A hot cup of integrals please
join:2007-06-12
Corona, NY
·Verizon Online DSL
edit:
March 15th, @05:48PM
| reply to Combat Chuck
Ahhh, that's the problem, innit? You think I don't know what I'm talking about. I on the other hand, know what I'm talking about.
Now, to the facts.......
dropping a TCP connection sends you back to the starting point of a download, and makes you have to re-download your file, which is the same thing that takes place if I reset your modem.
And don't even get me started on the fact that they're actually impersonating you, and sending false messages to the server, and actually altering the server-client communications........... |
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espaeth
Misanthrope
Premium
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
 ·Callcentric
·VoiceStick
·ViaTalk
·voip.ms
·Comcast
·Embarq
| reply to TIGERON
said by TIGERON :I work in IT and know what a badly oversold network is overwhelmed and needs upgrading looks like. If you relate CPE resets to network oversubscription, I would guess you work for an IT helpdesk. How close am I? |
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funchords
Robb
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join:2001-03-11
Hillsboro, OR
·Verizon Online DSL
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| reply to Combat Chuck
said by Combat Chuck :said by a333 :That's as good as a reset to me, mate. Dropping a single TCP connection and resetting your modem are not anything near the same thing. I don't think you have any clue what you're talking about. IN THIS CASE, a333 has a point.
I have found and filed evidence with the FCC that Sandvine's own instructions tell ISPs to allow less than one uploading TCP connection (which would be zero, or one but only on a part-time basis).
So if you're uploading, and Sandvine is interrupting the only uploading TCP flow, they might as well be resetting the modem -- the net effect is the same.
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TIGERON
join:2008-03-11
Pacifica, CA | reply to espaeth
Helpdesk is one of MANY I do. Prefer working on hardware to be honest. Its more money and very challenging. |
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