[iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD in OptimumOnline http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20170523 en Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:40:08 EDT Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:40:08 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20555591 SterlingJ85 : I don't, it was just before my CableCARD install on Tuesday. All I was getting on my TiVo HD was analog channels :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20555591 Thu, 29 May 2008 00:53:34 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20555305 RickNY :
said by SterlingJ85 See Profile :

Some analog channels are showing that an iO Cable Box is required to view them
You shouldnt be seeing those channels on a CableCARD equipped Tivo (The CableCARD's channel map should be pointing to the digital version)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20555305 Wed, 28 May 2008 23:51:44 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20555235 SterlingJ85 : No SDV here in North Edison either (Piscataway system).

My TiVo HD w/ CableCARD is picking up all HD channels just fine.

Some analog channels are showing that an iO Cable Box is required to view them (assuming they've just been moved to the digital lineup to save on analog space - at least until they stop showing those splash screens and take them off the air!).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20555235 Wed, 28 May 2008 23:35:43 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20555070 Jmartz :
said by blacknoi See Profile :

FYI: Morris County by me anyhow has switched to SDV... already cannot tune 710 HD news (constant "Channel Not Available" message) with my rented cable box. And my TivoHDs are worthless for these channels (pending vaporware tuning resolver adapter).

If SDV is this flaky, whats the point? UGHHHH
VOOM wont be around much longer, so they probably aren't in a huge rush to fix what wont be a problem once the channels go belly up since they have a grand total of 3 million homes passed and of those, not all can get the channels since they are HD.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20555070 Wed, 28 May 2008 22:53:25 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20553781 blacknoi : FYI: Morris County by me anyhow has switched to SDV... already cannot tune 710 HD news (constant "Channel Not Available" message) with my rented cable box. And my TivoHDs are worthless for these channels (pending vaporware tuning resolver adapter).

If SDV is this flaky, whats the point? UGHHHH]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20553781 Wed, 28 May 2008 18:27:33 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20501263 anon : 1) I have three primary TV's.
All three have QAM.

One has a CableCard so I can watch iO digital channels
(don't care about VOD+PPV).
One has no box but has QAM - I hardly ever watch in that room.
One has a box since it isn't CableCard ready.

The one with the box (SA Explorer 4200HD) is experiencing intermittent problems lately with some VOOM channels (coincidentally started around the time the switch of VOOM to SDV).
So even with a STB I am having trouble!!!

They said it is a known issue (a "channel not available, please try again later" message appears on screen) that others have reported.
The last person I spoke with (they have actually been the ones calling me daily since I reported it) said it is because of too many people are watching that particular channel at a given time (in my case channels 778 and 779 are the ones I have been checking).
They need to take diagnostics and then increase the capacity for the channels in question.

2) My Triple Play is ending soon.
I will see if threatening to switch to FIOS will get them to extend the Triple Play (I don't actually plan to switch to FIOS since they charge $10 per HD box - as opposed to $6.50 - and their rates will be higher than CV once the promotion period ends).
FIOS charges $10 per HD box and the one TV I now use without a box or card will stop receiving just about everything if I switch to FIOS (since FIOS has no analog channels other than a few local channels (if that) and the networks.

Current box + card cost with Cablevision is $6.50 for one STB + $2 for one CableCard (went up 25 cents and 50 cents respectively recently).
With FIOS it becomes $20 (two STB's) + $? for a CableCard (don't know how much they charge for CableCards).

I am wondering how long it will be before Cablevision gets rid of the remaining analog channels as well?.

Amazing how I used to pay $18 for my entire cable TV bill (also Cablevision + same county) in '93 or so!

Does anyone know how much FIOS charges for CableCards per month?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20501263 Sun, 18 May 2008 11:00:17 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20450529 PhitauBill :
said by IanR See Profile :

That is my problem with CV.

In that same Cablelabs PR they even added that they were specifically working with TIVO. But we have zero information on when this dongle/resolver will likely become available. We also have no idea how many, IF ANY, exisiting TV sets it will work with, that currently use CableCards.
Tuning resolver is reportedly just around the corner, but unlikely to work with CC TVs, only TiVo Series 3 and TiVoHD.

»www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/sh···t=390736]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20450529 Thu, 08 May 2008 09:44:20 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20444010 mbernste :
said by RickNY See Profile :

I noticed that as of today, the Voom channels on the Brookhaven system are still not on SDV..
I watched some VOOM last night via my Series 3 TiVo. So no SDV in Piscataway.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20444010 Wed, 07 May 2008 05:18:50 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20441489 Jmartz : They didn't send me a letter and I have a Cable Card.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20441489 Tue, 06 May 2008 17:56:24 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20438896 RickNY :
I noticed that as of today, the Voom channels on the Brookhaven system are still not on SDV.. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20438896 Tue, 06 May 2008 10:02:15 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20373259 IanR : I believe the conversion of VOOM to SDV is taking place slowly system by system. Certainly in Morris County NJ it's still available normally.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20373259 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:08:49 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20373132 matcarl : Does anyone know if the VOOM conversion is done and has anybody with a box noticed anything different?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20373132 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:38:46 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20339835 IanR : That is my problem with CV.

When they rolled "we are the nice guys and will give you a free cablebox for a year" letter, sent to ALL CableCards users, they decided NOT to add or remind such users that there is another technology that will become available by approximately mid year (Cablelabs last PR said 2nd Qr 2008).

In that same Cablelabs PR they even added that they were specifically working with TIVO. But we have zero information on when this dongle/resolver will likely become available. We also have no idea how many, IF ANY, exisiting TV sets it will work with, that currently use CableCards. In that sense CV is being decent and offering a one year free cablebox for those users. But we don't know who we are yet;)

Oh and CableLabs is run by the cable company industry so the industry knew all the deadlines well well in advance. My take: The Cable Companies prefer us all to use cableboxes.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20339835 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:17:45 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20339589 Jmartz :
said by RemyM See Profile :

said by blacknoi See Profile :

So its April 15th and I'm still watching MonstersHD and all the other Voom's are still there.

Does anyone know if the move is still scheduled for today?
It doesn't effect everyone today. It will take a month for them to transition the VOOM channels on all of the non 100% digital systems to SDV.
VOOM is on SDV here in Bergen, NJ. The TiVo now shows, "searching for signal" message when I tune to the channel. Guess it's time for me to bitch at them since they gave me absolutely no notice at all to this coming. Thankfully I read this and other message boards to find out about this stuff. But shouldn't the company be providing notice? It seems like they did a half-assed job (as usual) with letting people know.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20339589 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:23:47 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20338321 IanR : I had not forgotten that. But I have no install Fee for the replacement FREE CableBox. Yes I would have an install Fee for the HDTIVO, but I face this whichever way I go, because my existing ReplayTV is being made redundant by CV whatever I do. Hence my need to go TIVO. ANd NO I don't want one of CVs recording devices thank you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20338321 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:38:21 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20337040 blacknoi :
said by IanR See Profile :

I just had a thought.
I use a CableCard with my main TV and in the MBR have an older TV and just route the co-axial direct.

How about I do the following:

1) I turn in my cablecard in exchange for the one year free HD CableBox.
2) I wait a few weeks and then purchase a HD TIVO and order 2 new cablecards.
3) I m,ove the free cablebox to the MBR and use with the new LCD I have on order and expect delivery of shortly.

In effect, for one year, I am upgrading from one CC to 2 and a cablebox all for the extra cost of a single CC.

Anything wrong with my logic?
Don't forget the 48 dollar mandatory installer fee.

So that would cost you about 6.8 months if you figure a cable box is 7/month rental fee. So you arent really getting a full year free.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20337040 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:05:35 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20336831 RemyM :
said by blacknoi See Profile :

So its April 15th and I'm still watching MonstersHD and all the other Voom's are still there.

Does anyone know if the move is still scheduled for today?
It doesn't effect everyone today. It will take a month for them to transition the VOOM channels on all of the non 100% digital systems to SDV.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20336831 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:31:36 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20336643 IanR : I just had a thought.
I use a CableCard with my main TV and in the MBR have an older TV and just route the co-axial direct.

How about I do the following:

1) I turn in my cablecard in exchange for the one year free HD CableBox.
2) I wait a few weeks and then purchase a HD TIVO and order 2 new cablecards.
3) I m,ove the free cablebox to the MBR and use with the new LCD I have on order and expect delivery of shortly.

In effect, for one year, I am upgrading from one CC to 2 and a cablebox all for the extra cost of a single CC.

Anything wrong with my logic?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20336643 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:46:28 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20336522 blacknoi : So its April 15th and I'm still watching MonstersHD and all the other Voom's are still there.

Does anyone know if the move is still scheduled for today?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20336522 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:21:23 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20218500 anon : I also received this wonderful surprise from CV.

Besides all you Tivo owners, I have an LCD mounted on a wall that uses a cablecard and have no way of putting a box near it. What do I do? Its not just as easy as getting a free box for a year when theres no tv stand or wall mount to hold the damn thing!

Thankfully, I literally have Verizon trucks on my block as I type this running FiOS down my block (Island Park, NY). I dont care if it costs me $50.00 extra per month for Fios service. The Dolan cartel will not be seeing another dime from me as soon as Verizon "lights it up".]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20218500 Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:49:56 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20204747 DCIFRTHS :
said by WhyFios :

Let me see if I understand you:

Cablevision is moving Voom channels to Switched Broadcast so they may recover bandwidth to add more channels, possibly ones that you might want to watch.

You will lose the ability to watch Voom channels on your Tivo, But Cablevision is offering you a free set-top so you can still watch them, at least on a TV connected to it. (You can still keep your Cablecards and Tivo for all other channels)

So, to resolve the situation, you disconnect Cablevision and get FiOS TV, which has no Voom channels.

Sure, makes sense to me.


Reread my post. What I said was that if I don't get a solution that will allow SDV broadcasts to work with my TiVo, within a reasonable time frame, I will cancel my Cablevision services, and move to Verizon. I figure it's better to vote with my wallet than to jump up and down, and scream like a child.

As far as the "free for a year" STB that is being offered: It is not an acceptable solution for the functionality I will be losing. By removing the amount of channels that my Cablecards can map to my TiVo, Cablevision is essentially disabling my TiVo for the channels that broadcast using SDV. If Cablevision were to offer me a DVR, then this would replace the functionality I would be losing. Granted it would still be an inferior solution to TiVo, but there is no denying that it would be a solution.

Let's sum this up. Cablevison proposes that I turn in my Cablecards, disable my TiVos, both of which I don't want to do, and I will save save approximately $100 a year. For the record, I have more than one Cablecard TiVo, and a TV that uses a Cablecard. I use no STBs provided by Cablevision, and I have no desire to. Sounds like a pretty weak solution to me. But hey, to each his own.

Additionally, if you think that moving the Voom channels to switched video is so that Cablevision can add more HD channels using NON SDV broadcast methods, then you have more faith in Cablevision than I do...

It's really pretty simple. Can you hear me now?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20204747 Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:47:54 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20204305 hbk4099 :
said by Vj666 See Profile :

Im still waiting for CV to fix the SDV+DVR issue for international channels :o
good news they are releasing an update to the dvr all areas should have it by 4/2. to correct this is on the international channels and the subscription sports packs]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20204305 Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:06:32 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20203409 RickNY :
said by WhyFios :

You can still keep your Cablecards and Tivo for all other channels
You have to turn in your CableCARDS according to the postcard in order to get the box..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20203409 Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:13:36 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20203028 blacknoi :
said by WhyFios :

But Cablevision is offering you a free set-top so you can still watch them, at least on a TV connected to it. (You can still keep your Cablecards and Tivo for all other channels)
No, I was told I must give up my cablecard (actually I'd have to give up 2, since my Tivo uses 2 cablecards for dual tuners) to get the free box.

This would then make my Tivo only be able to receive and record the analog available channels.

Now if I was offered to get a freebee HD cable box for a year AND keep my cablecards, of course I'd take advantage of that. But to date, that sounds like the exception (based on one of the prior posters) but not the regular offer everyone is getting.

So they are basically saying my Tivo will no longer function the way it used to (no more cablecards) but as a consolation I can watch LIVE only tv from the freebee HD box.

NOT a replacement if you ask me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20203028 Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:55:03 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20202909 anon : Let me see if I understand you:

Cablevision is moving Voom channels to Switched Broadcast so they may recover bandwidth to add more channels, possibly ones that you might want to watch.

You will lose the ability to watch Voom channels on your Tivo, But Cablevision is offering you a free set-top so you can still watch them, at least on a TV connected to it. (You can still keep your Cablecards and Tivo for all other channels)

So, to resolve the situation, you disconnect Cablevision and get FiOS TV, which has no Voom channels.

Sure, makes sense to me.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20202909 Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:32:21 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20194674 blacknoi :
said by bytivo :

dont count on a fix that soon. tivo is slow...and they will go out of business soon.
Actually its the cable companies that will slow this up. And please show proof that Tivo is going out of business soon.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20194674 Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:33:09 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20194384 anon :
said by Jmartz See Profile :

Once Tivo and Cable Labs releases their fix to the SDV problem, this will be a non-issue. Cablevision obviously believes that the fix is coming soon. Perhaps it will be available by the time these channels moves over to SDV?
dont count on a fix that soon. tivo is slow...and they will go out of business soon.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20194384 Thu, 20 Mar 2008 05:57:33 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20194208 DCIFRTHS : My solution to this situation is this: If I can't get the SDV tuning resolver within a reasonable time frame, I will change the provider of internet and TV, from Cablevision, to Verizon.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20194208 Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:05:26 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20193166 Thinkdiff : Better make sure it shows up as free when the bill comes, but good job getting them to do what they should be doing from the start.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20193166 Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:09:02 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20191537 dealing3000 : I called CV to ask for the free box but to keep my existing cablecards as I have a TivoHD and don't want to torpedo my $550 investment before the three year lifespan. They initially said no, that I needed to exchange the cards. I asked for retention and after 40 minutes on the phone they finally relented and are installing a free HD box in my bedroom (currently HD TV through QAM tuner). I at least get to watch the channels upstairs if I want to and now I have gotten something fort he channels they are taking away. The reason I didn't immediately move to FIOS is that CV still has a better deal when you factor in the cost of a second HD box to get some of the channels CV offers on analog and digital with a QAM tuner. Yes this sucks but I really don't watch those channels as I my favorite (Monster TV) literally sucks and plays the same 5 movies form the 1950's over and over and over again. I am also only paying $47 a month due to getting them to extend my family cable promo offer. FIOS is more expansive in the long run. The moral of this story, only the retention dept has any real authority to break the rules and get you what you need to make this right. If they end up bringing out better HD channels on non Switched channels then it will be even better.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20191537 Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:56:16 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20189415 UofMiamiGrad : The reason I hate Swanni, never gives credit to the source, just repackages crap. Does it all the time with stories from DBSTalk, Satelliteguys & DSLReports, never ends. At least Engadget, gives credit as does multichannel, good to see! Thanks for that link RemyM!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20189415 Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:10:14 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20189115 RemyM : Here is a story from Multichannel that references this site.

»www.multichannel.com/article/CA6···levision]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20189115 Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:39:22 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20185563 mws192 : tvpredictions.com picked this up

»www.tvpredictions.com/cablevision031808.htm]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20185563 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:40:56 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20185091 blacknoi :
said by Lrscpa See Profile :

Now that I am a cablecard user for 3 days, I am scratching my head, wondering why TiVo decided to use these cards as opposed to the IR Repeaters controlling the cable box.
In addition to what JMartz said, Tivo took advantage of a solution supported by the FCC (and cablecompanies by the way) as a low-cost alternative to having to rent a cable box.

The cable companies then change direction, and invent incompatible solutions for the original cablecard spec. Some logic is that cablecard is a small percentage of the entire userbase, plus they don't generate as much revenue (no ability to subscribe to VOD content, or buy PPV on impulse).

We are the ugly step child for the cablecard. We are well informed and have choice. The cable companies would rather you rent one of their boxes (for which pricing isnt regulated). With their boxy you pay more, can subscribe to their a-la-carte On Demand and can buy PPV via remote.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20185091 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:20:12 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20184394 Jmartz :
said by Lrscpa See Profile :

Now that I am a cablecard user for 3 days, I am scratching my head, wondering why TiVo decided to use these cards as opposed to the IR Repeaters controlling the cable box. Certainly, the cablecard solution was not catching on when the first S3 box was released, and VOD and other 2 way services had been in use for quite some time.
You can not record a true HD signal if you use an IR repeater connected to a cable box. The cable card enables the Tivo to decrypt the channel and it sends it digitally to the hard drive. The older TiVo would take the output of the cable box (analog) and then convert it to digital and compress it to store it. If you notice, you can not set the digital recording quality on the Tivo, you can only set the quality if you are recording from analog antenna/cable..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20184394 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:17:17 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20183920 Lrscpa : Now that I am a cablecard user for 3 days, I am scratching my head, wondering why TiVo decided to use these cards as opposed to the IR Repeaters controlling the cable box. Certainly, the cablecard solution was not catching on when the first S3 box was released, and VOD and other 2 way services had been in use for quite some time.

Tivo long ago should have gotten out of the hardware business, and partnered with either cablebox mfrs. or cable companies to license their technology.

Look at Nvidia - all the do is license their technology, they manufacture nothing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20183920 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:50:22 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20183544 blacknoi :
said by MxxCon See Profile :

said by jefny See Profile :

Is there a way of using the TIVO HD without cable cards? If not I won't have the DVR ability.
don't all tivos come with ir blaster that you put in front of your cablebox? you can still easily record shows. yes it's not dual cablecard, but it's hardly "won't have the DVR ability"
Tivo Series 2 and back came with an IR blaster. They were designed to control a cable box.

The idea of a Series 3 (and TivoHD) is that you DIDN'T need a cable box, because of cablecard support. Thats the idea. The Series 3 does NOT have a port to plug in an IR blaster, so you cannot use their cable box.

Basically this decision completely strands TivoHD and Tivo Series 3 customers out in the cold! ...until the tuning resolver comes around. But NO ONE knows how much that will cost to rent.

As another poster speculated, who knows the cost of 2xSingleStream Cable cards + tuning resolver (plus additional outlet fee if your area charges you that bogus fee) might cost as much if not more than renting the cable company's STB.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20183544 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:03:36 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20183543 Jmartz : Threaten to cancel your service all together if they insist that you give up your cable cards to get the free box.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20183543 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:03:25 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20183518 MxxCon :
said by jefny See Profile :

Is there a way of using the TIVO HD without cable cards? If not I won't have the DVR ability.
don't all tivos come with ir blaster that you put in front of your cablebox? you can still easily record shows. yes it's not dual cablecard, but it's hardly "won't have the DVR ability"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20183518 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 07:51:37 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20183314 mbernste : I got the card yesterday (17th). I guess Cablevision doesn't understand that if I gave the Cable Cards in, it would make my Series 3 TiVo essentially useless. If they were really of good faith, they'd let me keep the cards and get the free box, this way I could use the box to tune to one of the SDV channels and let the TiVo record it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20183314 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 05:34:43 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20181204 andvari :
I got my postcard today. Is the free cable box that CV is providing the same box as everyone normally uses, or is it some cut-rate device with reduced features?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20181204 Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:48:26 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20181095 blacknoi : Got my letter today.

Called and asked for a supervisor. They were not willing to do anything for me other than what the flier offered (free hd box for a year if I give up my cablecards).

The guy said that the voom channels would be moved to SDV on April 15th. I wonder if thats the official date.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20181095 Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:25:32 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20180570 JDCMAN : The CableCard 1.0 spec is pretty limited and they need the bandwidth for HD channels. Hopefully CableCard 2 will be much better.

Of course, the early adopters get screwed :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20180570 Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:44:36 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20178225 Jmartz :
said by Millwood See Profile :

said by RemyM See Profile :

Wilt said a fix for the recording problem is a top priority so it should be coming soon.
This SDV/DVR issue is more than a year old. So it's clear that they don't know how to fix it! If they had a fix in hand, you would think they would deploy it before the switch of VOOM to SDV.

It's more likely that they planned to do just that, but found that the fix wasn't ready, then decided to do the switch anyway.
You are talking about a seperate issue with Cablevision hardware. The issue at talk here is CableCards not supporting SDV at all, let alone being able to record them. Cable Labs and tivo will probably have a solution for their SDV problems before Cablevision solves their issue with their DVR...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20178225 Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:36:09 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20177773 Millwood :
said by RemyM See Profile :

Wilt said a fix for the recording problem is a top priority so it should be coming soon.
This SDV/DVR issue is more than a year old. So it's clear that they don't know how to fix it! If they had a fix in hand, you would think they would deploy it before the switch of VOOM to SDV.

It's more likely that they planned to do just that, but found that the fix wasn't ready, then decided to do the switch anyway.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20177773 Mon, 17 Mar 2008 08:43:44 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20177743 RemyM : Wilt said a fix for the recording problem is a top priority so it should be coming soon.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20177743 Mon, 17 Mar 2008 08:26:36 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20177315 Jmartz :
said by RickNY See Profile :

said by Jmartz See Profile :

Once Tivo and Cable Labs releases their fix to the SDV problem, this will be a non-issue.
Mark my words -- the tuning resolver will be available from Cablevision so that the cost of Cablecards plus the resolver will equal or more than equal the cost of box rental.
We will see by the end of June I suppose. I can't imagine that they would charge that much for a device that doesn't really do anything. It's not decrypting any channels, it's just sending data back and forth with the cable head-end... But we will see.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20177315 Mon, 17 Mar 2008 02:35:54 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20176767 RickNY :
said by Jmartz See Profile :

Once Tivo and Cable Labs releases their fix to the SDV problem, this will be a non-issue.
Mark my words -- the tuning resolver will be available from Cablevision so that the cost of Cablecards plus the resolver will equal or more than equal the cost of box rental.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20176767 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 23:24:09 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20176516 Vj666 : Im still waiting for CV to fix the SDV+DVR issue for international channels :o]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20176516 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 22:32:55 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20176430 Jmartz : Once Tivo and Cable Labs releases their fix to the SDV problem, this will be a non-issue. Cablevision obviously believes that the fix is coming soon. Perhaps it will be available by the time these channels moves over to SDV?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20176430 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 22:13:20 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20175210 anon : Do I agree that cable companies would like to see fewer CC users, yes. But at the same time, if they really wanted to stick it to CC users, they'd be putting ESPN, MSG, SNY, Nat. Geographic, CNN and Discovery on SDV. Instead they picked the channels that 9 out of 10 comments on these messages boards talk about how much of a waste they are.

There's also no way to know that if we do in fact get the HBO suite of HD channels, which at the moment is only an additional 2 channels, that they would or would not be on SDV. One could argue that it would seem more likely that they'd be on SDV since you have to have a subscription (see likelyness in the international channels and sports packages).

My guess is though that all new channels will utilize current technology and over time if they don't get a high viewership rate, then they'll get moved over to SDV to make way for what we all want, MORE channels.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20175210 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:01:46 EDT Re: You can't have everything your way http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174766 RickNY :
said by GeekNJ See Profile :

Cablecards don't yet support this technology so it's really a CC issue.
The problem is that they DO support the technology -- however, CableCARD is a product wholly designed and licensed by CableLabs -- which is an organization made up entirely of cable companies and it has refused to license the technology to any single piece of equipment capable of utilizing that aspect of the technology in order to protect the interests of the MSOs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174766 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:11:50 EDT Re: You can't have everything your way http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174742 GeekNJ :
said by IanR See Profile :

The basic point is that the FCC wanted Cablecard users to have the same level of service (channels etc) as Cablebox users. CV have seen fit NOT to do this and gained an exemption thru 2009 on false pretences. IMHO.
I see no reason to defend CV's actions. Also I have heard that the channel space they are creating, through this move, will be mostly taken up by new Premium level services which will require additional fees.
Basically the good faith CC user is being deliberatley disadvantaged by CV. I see no other way of putting it.
If you're a CC customer I can see taking this view of the situation. But what the real problem is that folks are asking for more and more (and of course without more cost) and the solution is to take advantage of technology which supports this. Cablecards don't yet support this technology so it's really a CC issue.

Is it fair to penalize customers in order to cater to CC customers which I'm sure is a small minority of total customers?

It's the modern equivalent of you saying that CV is deliberately dissing analog customers by moving to digital. Would you want those analog customers to hold you back from receiving more/better content?

I'm not impacted by this (currently a FIOS customer) but I'm looking at this as a 3rd party with no skin in the game for either side.
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It's a matter of how soon this add-on device becomes available and how fast Cablevision begins removing the Voom channels (and the music channels). Cablevision must be aware that Verizon FIOS TV is being approved for our area (the north shore of Long Island) and this just might push me to make the change.

John

PS-I did make a complaint to the FCC through their website.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174714 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 15:56:09 EDT Re: You can't have everything your way http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174707 IanR : The basic point is that the FCC wanted Cablecard users to have the same level of service (channels etc) as Cablebox users. CV have seen fit NOT to do this and gained an exemption thru 2009 on false pretences. IMHO.
I see no reason to defend CV's actions. Also I have heard that the channel space they are creating, through this move, will be mostly taken up by new Premium level services which will require additional fees.
Basically the good faith CC user is being deliberatley disadvantaged by CV. I see no other way of putting it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174707 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 15:55:06 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174432 andvari : I don't have a Tivo - I held off buying one for several reasons, one being the uncertainty with cablecards.

The thing I really don't like about this is that I lose some quality in reception on the SD channels when I go from cablecard to cablebox, plus I need more wires in my living room, and it eats up a device slot on my remote control and an input on my TV.

The cablecard really was a lot more convenient.

On the other hand if it means addition of more HD channels I can live with it. HD is where I want to be for my TV viewing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174432 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:50:32 EDT Buyer Beware http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174321 anon : It also seems to me that Cablevision and BigBand announced that they would be rolling out SDV back in January 2007 (»www.convergedigest.com/DSL/lastm···ID=20445)

TivoHD was released to the publc in September 2006. (»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TiVo_DVRs)

That means that if you bought your TivoHD after January 2007, you should have known the risks you were taking when you signed your Tivo contract.

If you bought yours when it was first released, then you unfortunetly have to pay the price now for being the first to the market(see anyone who has a HD-DVD player what the risks in that is).

This whole conversation should be rendered moot anyway in the near future when the problem is scheduled to be fixed. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174321 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:25:39 EDT You can't have everything your way http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174220 anon : I sincerely hope that everyone who is complaining about CV rolling out SDV to more channels never complained that VOOM sucks, never complained that CV doesn't add HD channels fast enough and never complained about picture quality of HD channels.

If you are satisfied with the line-up as of today, then I'm sorry you're losing some channels. But I'm willing to wager that over the course of the next few months that more people are going to benefit from this in the form of new channels than are negatively impacted. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174220 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:02:21 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20173860 RickNY :
said by Jmartz See Profile :

When you call and bitch at them, tell them that it's outrageous to give up your Tivo, and that the only way their "free for one year" box is going to be worth it to you is if they pay you the early termination fee for the Tivo.
I already initiated the port of my OV line over to Vonage (I had ported it into OV from Verizon originally) -- which actually will work out better for me since I was paying $31.20 to Vonage each month for my old business line in addition to $19.95 to CV -- Now I can move the OV number over to Vonage and just pay an addl $4.99 for a virtual # for the old Vonage number.. Once the porting is complete, I'll drop the rest of the stuff. Fortunately for me, the majority of TV I do watch is on Broadcast Basic or the iO tier. Money that would have been sent to CV each month for these services: ~ $75.

Since my options are limited in who I can move to at this time, my only response is to vote with my wallet on this matter. Since OV is Cablevision's biggest cash cow, that was my first step. I suggest others do the same if they are unhappy with this. Secondly, even though it may not do much good -- its adviseable to file a complaint with the FCC on the issue by going to »https://esupport.fcc.gov/sform2000/new_c···ocale=en
and filing a 'Form 2000E - General Complaint', since the push to SDV by numerous cable companies appears to go against the intent of the FCC mandate regarding CableCARD support. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20173860 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:38:55 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20173816 Jmartz :
said by RickNY See Profile :

It will not be a device you can just order from Tivo, even though they are developing it.
I thought Cable Labs was developing it in partnership with Motorola, Scientific Atlanta, TiVo, etc.

Motorola has said that they plan to have their device ready to go by the end of the second quarter. Not sure if Cablevision will use the first device available, or if they are going to wait until Scientific Atlanta releases their device? It really should not cost anything extra since it's not really doing anything but allowing two-way communication. When you call and bitch at them, tell them that it's outrageous to give up your Tivo, and that the only way their "free for one year" box is going to be worth it to you is if they pay you the early termination fee for the Tivo. Cablevision should just offer Tivo users a free DVR for a year. Their outrageous monthly fees that they charge for their DVR service would certainly subsidize the free dvr users, not only that, but Cablevision has been known to give a free DVR to customers as retention measure.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20173816 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:29:59 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20173782 RickNY :

The best thing is that the SDV tuning resolver for Tivo -- will be supplied by the cable company, presumably for an additional monthly fee. It will not be a device you can just order from Tivo, even though they are developing it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20173782 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:22:41 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20173766 IanR : I thought that Federal Law was that Cable companies HAVE to allow CableCard usage by customers at the latters choice? Effectively here the CV are telling existing customers that their CableCard service is being forceably downgraded and their ONLY option to remedy this is to PAY additional fees(after one years grace period), give up their cablecards and effectively scrap their TIVO immediately.
I am unsure whether CV's "offer" makes their maneuver legal or not.

TIVO have said they are working on a workaround extra add on module which will be offered 2nd Quarter 2008 also the next TIVO should have built in 2 way cablecard technology. For the monthly Fee that TIVO charges they should really be more on top of this and sooner. Both CV and TIVO need to step up their game IMHO.
Also TIVO needs to put more interesting programming on their ZOOM channels.... Of the 10 they supply I only enjoyed Space 1999 repeats;)

By the way I use a CableCard, but directly in my TV set (I don't have a TIVO). Funny thing is that I assume I will also soon lose the ZOOM channels (just like TIVO uses) so why hasn't CV written to me making me offers?? Effectively CV will be taking away 10 channels (which I am paying for) and they haven't offered me an alternative or compenastion......]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20173766 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:19:02 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20171741 RemyM :
said by jefny See Profile :

According to TIVO Verizon (and most other cable companies) have no plan to do what Cablevision is doing.
Bull, TWC and Comcast are also using SDV.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20171741 Sat, 15 Mar 2008 22:11:37 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20171584 RickNY : I should have looked at my mail.. I got the postcard today.

Thats all fine and dandy.. I'll be porting my number out from Optimum Voice, dropping Boost, and downgrading my TV service to Broadcast Basic + iO from iO Silver.

Lets see... This comes after a) the rates for iO Silver were raised $5 and then b) the OV discount was reduced by $5.. And then they want to take away 15 HD channels from my service..

Seriously, they can go scratch..
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20171584 Sat, 15 Mar 2008 21:27:23 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20171089 jefny : It wasn't me on the Yahoo group. To get the free hd for one year I have to turn in my cable cards. Is there a way of using the TIVO HD without cable cards? If not I won't have the DVR ability.

The notice in question came as a separate postcard.

The end result may be to push me on to Verizon FIOS TV. According to TIVO Verizon (and most other cable companies) have no plan to do what Cablevision is doing. PSC approval appears only days away.

The TIVO people (who requested a copy of the notice) expects to have a workaround in the next several months.

John]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20171089 Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:37:41 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20170785 RickNY :
said by jefny See Profile :

I just received a written notice from Cablevision that cablecard users will no longer get many HD channels
Did this notice come in the regular mail with your bill or something? Do you have a copy of it? Wondering if/when I will get mine.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20170785 Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:29:58 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20170685 matcarl : »VOOM to SDV]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20170685 Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:09:14 EDT Re: [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20170624 Jmartz : You left out that the same post card, according to another user (probably also you) on the Yahoo group, said that the cable box they are providing to you is FREE FOR ONE YEAR.

In which case, you don't have to pay for it. When they year is up, the TiVo workaround should be released, and you can return the FREE box before they start charging you for it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20170624 Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:53:45 EDT [iO] Cablevision's "War" on Cablecards and TIVO HD http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20170523 jefny : I just received a written notice from Cablevision that cablecard users will no longer get many HD channels (mostly from the old voom satellite) and they are pushing everyone to get their HD cable box. This is Cablevision's way of giving the finger to anyone using Cable cards and HD TIVO.

I did put a call into TIVO and they are aware of what's going on. Their belief is that Cablevision's actions are contrary to Federal directives. They are also working on some kind of work around that can be added to your TIVO HD box.

I am going to put in a complaint to the FCC (do a Google search for an address to complain).

John]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20170523 Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:34:33 EDT