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 woody7Premium
join:2000-10-13
Torrance, CA | reply to supergirl
Re: Conyers is my hero "I don't get the big issue of all this. Maybe change the FISA court to conform with the new threat. Judges there should be able to see what they are doing as well.
Exactly what law-abiding American has been affected? NONE"
And you have what proof of that?
What part of it is illegal to spy on your own citizens without a warrant( even after the fact:FISA) don't you get?
"Times have changed. The bill of rights was written hundreds of years ago and no longer applies to modern times."
See that is what is great about the document, it still works. All the government had to do was get a warrant before or even after, they chose to not do so. I don't care what they do outside of this country, but inside I have a problem with it. FISA was set up for this very reason. Why is it so hard for people to understand? If I am not mistaken, only the FBI has a legal mandate to "spy" with a warrant on Americans inside of America. The Constitution and Bill of Rights have stood the test of time. This is all being done in secret, so no one has a clue what is actually going on. After all the revelations that are showing up in the news about misconduct by the FBI and probably illegal things, why would you trust this government to have any oversight of themselves?
"I don't get the big issue of all this. Maybe change the FISA court to conform with the new threat. Judges there should be able to see what they are doing as well.
That is what the law that congress just passed would do, minus the telecom part. Mind you contrary to what bush is saying the old law is still in effect. Which by the way he ignored most of the time anyway.
That is the problem,a lot of people, not just "crack pot" liberals care no matter how "insignificant" the violation is. This administration doesn't want anyone to get in their way period.to them us getting upset about losing our rights seems to make us some kind of anti american.If no one knows what is going on, how do you know that they stopped anything? And the few things that they claimed they spoiled turned out to be bogus at best.
Those old scraps of paper are what has separated us from most of the other countries for quite a few years.
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| said by woody7:What part of it is illegal to spy on your own citizens without a warrant( even after the fact:FISA) don't you get? I agree Woody, however examine government from the fairly recent past. Ruby Ridge, then came Waco our government sent our own military "to save the kids", whether it was a religious cult or not. They were mostly American citizens, burnt to a crisp.
A Clinton White House showed it was willing to butcher its own citizens.
Under Bush, no sooner he got in office we got the Twin Tower bombings, the perfect excuse to start war in the Middle East over OIL. Time we stopped kidding ourselves.
Massive domestic spying. Last but not certainly not least, events after hurricane Katrina. The National Guard was sent in to confiscate ALL firearms from law abiding citizens.
ALL test and trial balloons to see how much intrusions and infringements government can get away with. They certainly did without having to pay a penalty for their actions.
The pathetic" if we don't fight the terrorists over there, we'll have to fight them here. News flash, Bush, OVER HERE we have home field advantage. I'd prefer to fight them here with closed borders.
said by woody7:See that is what is great about the document, it still works. The Constitution and Bill of Rights have stood the test of time. This is all being done in secret, so no one has a clue what is actually going on. After all the revelations that are showing up in the news about misconduct by the FBI and probably illegal things, why would you trust this government to have any oversight of themselves? Government could NEVER and should never be trusted.
THE TRUTH & LIES OF 9/11 2 hr 18 min - Jan 1, 2001
»video.google.com/videoplay?docid···24486145
Please do not let the title fool you. As it has nothing to do with the bombing of the Twin Towers. No conspiracy theory's, no speculation, just facts explaining how we as a nation came to the state we are in today. This former L.A.P.D narcotics officer explains how corrupt this government is. Especially the Bush Administration's undermining of the Bill of Rights & Constitution, due to the passage of the Patriot act and Homeland security act.
Both of those acts destroyed more than the 4th Amendment, wiretapping destroyed the 5th Amendment, its gone. Want to honestly know how the 1st Amendment and all others are destroyed? Watch the video.
Any one who can say this guy is full of it and the facts he presents are lies, then, that person and anyone who defends Bush or any member of government is attempting to brainwash you. Because they themselves are BRAINWASHED and part of the corruption.
said by woody7: Mind you contrary to what bush is saying the old law is still in effect. Which by the way he ignored most of the time anyway. That is the problem,a lot of people, not just "crack pot" liberals care no matter how "insignificant" the violation is. One is a "crack pot" or terrorist, WHEN you oppose Bush, thus the label un-patriotic.
said by woody7:This administration doesn't want anyone to get in their way period.to them us getting upset about losing our rights seems to make us some kind of anti American.If no one knows what is going on, how do you know that they stopped anything? And the few things that they claimed they spoiled turned out to be bogus at best Not only that, Bush, proved he will go any length necessary to break, undermine all laws and the Constitution itself, like the spoiled little bratty rich kid he is, throwing a temper tantrum, while wandering off on some tangent.
If Bush & government, is innocent and has nothing to hide. Why all the secrecy and immunity? I can hardly wait to see who Bush pardons on the last day of the job.
said by woody7: Those old scraps of paper are what has separated us from most of the other countries for quite a few years. They still could be, IF enough people decide to get off their lazy azz and take our Country back.
How much more can the American people take of this stuff till they're marching on D.C. armed with rifles and demanding their rights to life and liberty?
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| said by guitarzan:How much more can the American people take ... till they're marching on D.C. armed with rifles and demanding their rights to life and liberty? When that happens, say goodbye to the 2nd Amendment.
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woody7Premium
join:2000-10-13
Torrance, CA
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well said guitarzan!
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edit to add " I thought I was alone in this debate. I'm not for destroying the telcos, but more along the lines of not wanting to give up my rights without kicking and screaming. These rights apply to what I have to say, and what the other side has to say. I just can't believe how naive that some people are, and how willing they are to give them up. Peace
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