voiplover
Premium
join:2004-05-28
Portsmouth, NH
 ·callwithus
·Axvoice
|  MagicJack: How many do they have to sell every month?
At around $20 for the device and $20/year for service, can anyone guess how many a month they have to sell to survive?
I've been seeing posts where some are admitting to signing up for up to 5 years of prepaid service.  |
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Stewart
join:2005-07-13
·PHONE POWER
| I believe that Dan once stated that MJ would be profitable with a million subscribers; sorry, I can't find that reference. It appears that YMAX presently has about a million numbers; see e.g. »www.telcodata.us/telcodata/compa···state=CA , so he may already be quite close.
YMAX also has considerable non-MJ business, which is likely profitable, and the man is quite wealthy, so he could subsidize MJ for many years, if he so chose.
OTOH, MJ traffic seems to be far less than the above would imply.
How many calls does the system process? If you capture your network traffic with Wireshark, the 183 Progress or 200 OK status message will show a User-Agent: header; at the end is 'CPO' followed by some digits. This counts, modulo 2000, for each call processed by the proxy. Make a call, wait one minute, make another call. The difference is calls per minute on that proxy. At busy times, I see maybe 360 on Nashville. If that's half the total, it adds to about 650,000 calls per day. Assuming an average of 5 per user, there are ~130,000 active MJ users.
Estimates based on Internet bandwidth indicate an even smaller active community.
I don't have an explanation for the discrepancies. |
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B
Premium,MVM
join:2000-10-28
| Didn't know that you were an MJ user, Stewart. That's a more ringing endorsement (even if you're only testing) than any I've seen lately. 
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HolmanGT
Premium
join:2001-11-20
Saint George, UT
 ·Baja Broadband
1 edit | reply to Stewart
Stewart,
I don't have a clue what you just said, you knowledge of the Internet and traffic handling is way over my head.  That said I sure would have guessed the MJ users to be a much larger number than you have forecast.
Voiplover,
I have had the same questions you are having, and don't have a clue. But I wanted to comment on the people that buy five years in advance. That has to be on of the more "Not Smart" things to do that I have heard in a long time. I too have seen these post and thought to my self, most people won't even take a five year Bank CD in these changing times. To invest in five years of service in a start-up Internet firm, well why would you even want to do that. Is it supposed to be insurance to protect you from them increasing the service charge next year, five years from now. Goodness gracious that is silly. |
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Lenagainster
join:2005-01-07
Silver Spring, MD
·VoicePulse
 ·DIRECTV
·magicjack.com
| said by HolmanGT  :..But I wanted to comment on the people that buy five years in advance. That has to be on of the more "Not Smart" things to do that I have heard in a long time. Except that it is only a $50 gamble. A bigger concern to me is the cost of electricity to use MJ as a primary line and keeping a computer running 24/7. A low-power laptop that gets by on 15 watts would cost about $1.50 per month in electricity, but that could easily jump to $4 with a higher power laptop, or $10 to $20 or more for a desktop. |
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mgraves1
join:2004-04-05
Houston, TX
·Junction Networks
| reply to voiplover
Re: MagicJack: How many do they have to sell every month?
I can't speak to Magic Jack, but I make good use of H-P T5700 series thin clients in my home office. I have one that's a Asterisk server handling my phones, and another that runs FreeNAS providing network file storage.
They're great little devices for running network services that don't need a lot of CPU power. They're quiet, lower power, lower heat output and can run a very long time from a typical UPS when the power is out.
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Michael Graves
Houston TX
»blog.mgraves.org |
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chedg
@emsphone.com | reply to voiplover
BTW, I did the upgrade also. |
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DeeChandel
join:2008-02-25 | Try using a headset. If the sound on the headset is ok then the problem could be with your phone.
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MJ/XP SP2 |
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chedg
@emsphone.com | I'll try, but I've used two phones with the same results so far. |
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chedg
@emsphone.com
| reply to mgraves1
mgraves1, I have a thin client that I'm trying to use with my MJ and it seems as if it cannot download the upgrades or something. I plug it in, it starts the uploading and then just stops. I'm guessing I need to use a flash drive for more space on it? Just curious how you were able to use MJ on your thin client. I have the 1gz t5700 model.
Thanks. |
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mgraves1
join:2004-04-05
Houston, TX
·Junction Networks
| reply to voiplover
I did not say that I used MJ with a thin client. In fact, I don't use MJ at all.
As to the thin client device, you can't just install software to them like a normal PC. They're designed to restrict this and only run the software installed on the image loaded to the flash disk module. You can build a flash boot image that includes whatever software you like, then burn that to the flash module. HPs web site has support material on all of this.
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Michael Graves
Houston TX
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HolmanGT
Premium
join:2001-11-20
Saint George, UT
·Baja Broadband
1 edit | Actually, the MJ makes all the hard stuff unnecessary because every time you turn on your computer "Thin Client" in this case MJ goes thru its install procedure and since the intent is to never turn it off it doesn't even have to install itself very often. |
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mazilo
From Mazilo
Premium
join:2002-05-30
Lilburn, GA
| reply to mgraves1
said by mgraves1 :..., but I make good use of H-P T5700 series thin clients in my home office. I have one that's a Asterisk server handling my phones, and another that runs FreeNAS providing network file storage. What OS does your HP-T5700 run on? |
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mgraves1
join:2004-04-05
Houston, TX | Mine all started as Windows XPe, but I reflash them to Linux, Astlinux, FreeBSD, FreeNAS as needed. |
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zed260
join:2007-09-30
Cleveland, TN
·Charter Pipeline
| reply to voiplover
well considering the way magic jack works the 40 dollors the first year pays for the device and most of the bandwidth for that year
also the advertising from the device probably nets around 1 penny a call give or take
»blogs.nmss.com/communications/20···out.html
shows how the more bandwith a site uses the cheaper the transit becomes magic jack uses a few around 200k per second for data transmission for a small site with less then 100 users a day thats expensive but for bigger sites it gets to be around free
and since unlike vonage its a clec they have practically zero expenditures |
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dbmaven
There's no shortage
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join:1999-10-26
Sty in Sky
clubs: |  reply to Lenagainster
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