C0deZer0
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Re: Good luck
said by supergirl  :I'm sure the Japanese will get around encryption. Considering all the shit they invented in the last twenty to thirty years, beating encryption would be nothing to them.  |
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factchecker
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said by TKJunkMail :You misread my statement. I didn't say they would see WHAT was being transmitted - just WHERE. Implied is that WHAT was being transmitted was seen when unencrypted. Thanks for the clarification. In that case you are correct. |
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TKJunkMail
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said by factchecker :said by TKJunkMail :Encryption won't prevent detection of P2P use. And WHERE your data is going to & coming from will allow detection as easily as WHAT is being transmitted. You are HALF correct... Encryption will not hide traffic flows. Even encrypted P2P traffic looks like unencrypted P2P traffic. Anyone with access to something like Cisco's NetFlow tools can easily spot P2P traffic. You are incorrect in asserting that seeing the traffic flow will allow you to know "WHAT is being transmitted." Unless the encryption is crap and easily cracked, you won't be able to examine the contents of the packets and won't be able to know what is being shared. You misread my statement. I didn't say they would see WHAT was being transmitted - just WHERE. Implied is that WHAT was being transmitted was seen when unencrypted.
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factchecker
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said by TKJunkMail :Encryption won't prevent detection of P2P use. And WHERE your data is going to & coming from will allow detection as easily as WHAT is being transmitted. You are HALF correct... Encryption will not hide traffic flows. Even encrypted P2P traffic looks like unencrypted P2P traffic. Anyone with access to something like Cisco's NetFlow tools can easily spot P2P traffic.
You are incorrect in asserting that seeing the traffic flow will allow you to know "WHAT is being transmitted." Unless the encryption is crap and easily cracked, you won't be able to examine the contents of the packets and won't be able to know what is being shared. |
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supergirl
join:2007-03-20
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»www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/15/ja···sharers/
Japanese ISPs To Ban File Sharers
Actually, users sharing illegal files get a warning, maybe a second warning, then a ban from Internet use.
It is aimed at users of "Winny", the most popular file sharing program in Japan. It WILL start in April according to the article.
Japan is not banning file sharing just people illegally file sharing that get caught multiple times.
I'm sure the Japanese will get around encryption.
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swhx7
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Elbonia
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said by TKJunkMail :Encryption won't prevent detection of P2P use.
Correct. But not all p2p is copyright infringement.
said by TKJunkMail :And WHERE your data is going to & coming from will allow detection as easily as WHAT is being transmitted.
Whoa! Hold on a minute there. You've already detected that the customer is using p2p, but not whether it is illegal. Now you're saying that by additionally considering the traffic destination, you can tell whether it's copyright infringement or not?
How?
The destination of traffic doesn't confirm copyright infringement unless you've proved that everything at that destination is infringing. |
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jjeffeory
join:2002-12-04
USA
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And your point is??? P2P is not illegal. Finding out where your data goes and comes from will not allow detection of pirated material. It will only tell you where that computer connected. Any more information would be circumstantial and if you go down that line of reasoning you're begging the question and likely commiting several other logical fallacies... Basically, you're making way too many leaps. Witch hunt much? |
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Mashiki
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join:2002-02-04
Woodstock, ON
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said by TKJunkMail :Keep living in your dream world. Encryption won't prevent detection of P2P use. And WHERE your data is going to & coming from will allow detection as easily as WHAT is being transmitted. So, if laws are passed allowing ISPs to boot you, like they have in France and will soon in the UK & Sweden. Or if ISPs voluntarily agree due to political pressures like in Japan, even in the absence of laws, they will eventually throttle copyright infringing activities. Encrypted networks are in use all over Japan now, Universities and business being the main source at the moment. It doesn't matter if you know where a packet is going to or from or what it looks like. Since p2p is used in business in Japan too to transfer well nearly everything as well. I expect this to expand all-be-it slowly.
While people rollover generally for corporations in Japan, weird things can happen if you start tinkering with their technology. |
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Surfinusa
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Eventually they will make a fix to the hole in the system I am sure of it. But when? That is the question. Until then I don't see pirates stop downloading and sharing illegal ( according to local laws) and I don't see them stop developing new ways to circumvent the new anti-piracy measures ISP's and RIAA will start implementing.
It's a never ending battle and as long as people Pirate they won't stop trying to beat the system.
I think we all know this by now. |
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jc100
join:2002-04-10
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Junk mail offers JUNK ADVICE again. Japan is the top technological nation with home 100mbit and gigabits being common place. Do you for one minute believe the ISPS will be able to stop piracy here? Unless users are capped, it's a pipe dream to think someone with this throughput doesn't have any other means that p2p itself. |
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Rexter
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join:2002-11-17
cloud 9 | reply to TKJunkMail
People have been talking like you for over 10 years. Eventually this..... Eventually that...... bla bla bla.....Who is living in a dream? |
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TKJunkMail
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said by Rexter :This is great! We're about to see a new age of encryption, and P2P strength. It's gonna be great, and best of all here in the US, we'll benefit from this new robustness without any interruption to my file sharing. Sweet!!!! Keep living in your dream world. Encryption won't prevent detection of P2P use. And WHERE your data is going to & coming from will allow detection as easily as WHAT is being transmitted. So, if laws are passed allowing ISPs to boot you, like they have in France and will soon in the UK & Sweden. Or if ISPs voluntarily agree due to political pressures like in Japan, even in the absence of laws, they will eventually throttle copyright infringing activities.
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