Re: Good luck in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20173285 en Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:40:35 EDT Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:40:35 EDT Re: Good luck http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20179263 jester121 : If you're having trouble getting by on $50-60 per hour, you either need to work more hours or seriously re-evaluate your lifestyle.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20179263 Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:52:03 EDT Re: Good luck http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20179022 C0deZer0 :
said by supergirl See Profile :

I'm sure the Japanese will get around encryption.
Considering all the shit they invented in the last twenty to thirty years, beating encryption would be nothing to them. :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20179022 Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:10:21 EDT Re: Good luck http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174950 ztmike :
said by Sean See Profile :

said by BF69 See Profile :

said by Rexter See Profile :

This is great! We're about to see a new age of encryption, and P2P strength. It's gonna be great, and best of all here in the US, we'll benefit from this new robustness without any interruption to my file sharing.

Sweet!!!!

So you admit to being a theif? nice. Great morals you have. Any reason why you can't pay for your content? Even at minimum wage it's possible to do so.
I'd like to live where you are if your minimum wage allows you to put aside money for entertainment.
X2

Hell I'm having trouble making 10x as much as Indiana's minimum wage.
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said by GOLFnSUN See Profile :

You misread my statement. I didn't say they would see WHAT was being transmitted - just WHERE. Implied is that WHAT was being transmitted was seen when unencrypted.
Thanks for the clarification. In that case you are correct.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174801 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:19:32 EDT Re: Good luck http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174666 GOLFnSUN :
said by factchecker :

said by GOLFnSUN See Profile :

Encryption won't prevent detection of P2P use. And WHERE your data is going to & coming from will allow detection as easily as WHAT is being transmitted.
You are HALF correct... Encryption will not hide traffic flows. Even encrypted P2P traffic looks like unencrypted P2P traffic. Anyone with access to something like Cisco's NetFlow tools can easily spot P2P traffic.

You are incorrect in asserting that seeing the traffic flow will allow you to know "WHAT is being transmitted." Unless the encryption is crap and easily cracked, you won't be able to examine the contents of the packets and won't be able to know what is being shared.
You misread my statement. I didn't say they would see WHAT was being transmitted - just WHERE. Implied is that WHAT was being transmitted was seen when unencrypted.
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said by GOLFnSUN See Profile :

Encryption won't prevent detection of P2P use. And WHERE your data is going to & coming from will allow detection as easily as WHAT is being transmitted.
You are HALF correct... Encryption will not hide traffic flows. Even encrypted P2P traffic looks like unencrypted P2P traffic. Anyone with access to something like Cisco's NetFlow tools can easily spot P2P traffic.

You are incorrect in asserting that seeing the traffic flow will allow you to know "WHAT is being transmitted." Unless the encryption is crap and easily cracked, you won't be able to examine the contents of the packets and won't be able to know what is being shared.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174632 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 15:42:43 EDT Re: Good luck http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174628 supergirl : »www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/15/ja···sharers/

Japanese ISPs To Ban File Sharers

Actually, users sharing illegal files get a warning, maybe a second warning, then a ban from Internet use.

It is aimed at users of "Winny", the most popular file sharing program in Japan. It WILL start in April according to the article.

Japan is not banning file sharing just people illegally file sharing that get caught multiple times.

I'm sure the Japanese will get around encryption.
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said by BF69 See Profile :

said by Rexter See Profile :

This is great! We're about to see a new age of encryption, and P2P strength. It's gonna be great, and best of all here in the US, we'll benefit from this new robustness without any interruption to my file sharing.

Sweet!!!!

So you admit to being a theif? nice. Great morals you have. Any reason why you can't pay for your content? Even at minimum wage it's possible to do so.
I'd like to live where you are if your minimum wage allows you to put aside money for entertainment.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174393 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:42:15 EDT Re: Good luck http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174376 BF69 :
said by Rexter See Profile :

Thanks for the assumption. You can go now.
well if you're not stealing then there is no need to brag that one can get around any filters. Since the filters are there to ctach the thieves, why should it worry you to get around them if you are not doing anything illegal? Hmmmmmm.

Sorry but if someone brags about being able to get around a drug test then I am going to assume they are doing drugs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174376 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:38:32 EDT Re: Good luck http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174184 swhx7 :
said by GOLFnSUN See Profile :

Encryption won't prevent detection of P2P use.

Correct. But not all p2p is copyright infringement.

said by GOLFnSUN See Profile :

And WHERE your data is going to & coming from will allow detection as easily as WHAT is being transmitted.

Whoa! Hold on a minute there. You've already detected that the customer is using p2p, but not whether it is illegal. Now you're saying that by additionally considering the traffic destination, you can tell whether it's copyright infringement or not?

How?

The destination of traffic doesn't confirm copyright infringement unless you've proved that everything at that destination is infringing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174184 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 13:54:53 EDT Re: Good luck http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174173 jjeffeory : And your point is??? P2P is not illegal. Finding out where your data goes and comes from will not allow detection of pirated material. It will only tell you where that computer connected. Any more information would be circumstantial and if you go down that line of reasoning you're begging the question and likely commiting several other logical fallacies... Basically, you're making way too many leaps. Witch hunt much?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174173 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 13:52:26 EDT Re: Good luck http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20173742 Rexter : Thanks for the assumption. You can go now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20173742 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:12:09 EDT Re: Good luck http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20173700 BF69 :
said by Rexter See Profile :

This is great! We're about to see a new age of encryption, and P2P strength. It's gonna be great, and best of all here in the US, we'll benefit from this new robustness without any interruption to my file sharing.

Sweet!!!!

So you admit to being a theif? nice. Great morals you have. Any reason why you can't pay for your content? Even at minimum wage it's possible to do so.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20173700 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:04:36 EDT Re: Good luck http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20173641 Mashiki :
said by GOLFnSUN See Profile :

Keep living in your dream world. Encryption won't prevent detection of P2P use. And WHERE your data is going to & coming from will allow detection as easily as WHAT is being transmitted. So, if laws are passed allowing ISPs to boot you, like they have in France and will soon in the UK & Sweden. Or if ISPs voluntarily agree due to political pressures like in Japan, even in the absence of laws, they will eventually throttle copyright infringing activities.
Encrypted networks are in use all over Japan now, Universities and business being the main source at the moment. It doesn't matter if you know where a packet is going to or from or what it looks like. Since p2p is used in business in Japan too to transfer well nearly everything as well. I expect this to expand all-be-it slowly.

While people rollover generally for corporations in Japan, weird things can happen if you start tinkering with their technology.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20173641 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:49:48 EDT Re: Good luck http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20173509 Surfinusa : Eventually they will make a fix to the hole in the system I am sure of it. But when? That is the question. Until then I don't see pirates stop downloading and sharing illegal ( according to local laws) and I don't see them stop developing new ways to circumvent the new anti-piracy measures ISP's and RIAA will start implementing.

It's a never ending battle and as long as people Pirate they won't stop trying to beat the system.

I think we all know this by now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20173509 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:18:44 EDT Re: Good luck http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20173370 jc100 : Junk mail offers JUNK ADVICE again. Japan is the top technological nation with home 100mbit and gigabits being common place. Do you for one minute believe the ISPS will be able to stop piracy here? Unless users are capped, it's a pipe dream to think someone with this throughput doesn't have any other means that p2p itself. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20173370 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 10:55:21 EDT Re: Good luck http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20173311 Rexter : People have been talking like you for over 10 years. Eventually this..... Eventually that...... bla bla bla.....Who is living in a dream? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20173311 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 10:42:39 EDT Re: Good luck http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20173285 GOLFnSUN :
said by Rexter See Profile :

This is great! We're about to see a new age of encryption, and P2P strength. It's gonna be great, and best of all here in the US, we'll benefit from this new robustness without any interruption to my file sharing.

Sweet!!!!

Keep living in your dream world. Encryption won't prevent detection of P2P use. And WHERE your data is going to & coming from will allow detection as easily as WHAT is being transmitted. So, if laws are passed allowing ISPs to boot you, like they have in France and will soon in the UK & Sweden. Or if ISPs voluntarily agree due to political pressures like in Japan, even in the absence of laws, they will eventually throttle copyright infringing activities.
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Sweet!!!!

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