AnOldGuy
Premium
join:2008-02-29
Kewanee, IL | reply to Surfinusa
Re: Ham's arent complaining ?
well - I live about 30 miles from Princeton and the hams that I know there are complaining. Seems that they have experienced interference and as with most of the other BPL trials it has been swept under the table by the FCC. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| said by AnOldGuy  :well - I live about 30 miles from Princeton and the hams that I know there are complaining. Seems that they have experienced interference and as with most of the other BPL trials it has been swept under the table by the FCC. BS and who cares. God why are we catering to a very very very small less than 1% group of people? that's why t takes forever for technology to advance becaus every single group that might complain has to be sattisfied which is IMPOSSIBLE. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Ham operators can find a new hobby. |
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jc100
join:2002-04-10
| Umm... Because if this were done on a large scale, it'd effect a lot more than 1 percent. Still, ham operators are probably the minority but this technology just sucks. Find better ways to give internet if you ask me. Wimax for one or satellite via the balloons sounds more feasible. |
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wvcaver
Premium
join:2005-04-17
Millersburg, OH | reply to BF69
BPL SUCKS !!!!! |
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jjeffeory
join:2002-12-04
USA
1 edit | reply to BF69
HAM radio is too important to just make the "little HAM radio geeks" go away. It's very useful in the event of a major catastrophic emergency... You know, like hurricanes, large fires, earthquakes, major brown outs, terrorist attacks, etc... 10 years ago I would have laughed at the odds of having 3 of the events happening near the same time, but living through many of them, has changed that thought. You can speak to people very far away with very little power. I think it's stupid to just tell them to go away.
I don't use HAM radio, but for me it is like having a backup plan to communicate across distances in case some other major infrastructure is "fubared". BPL, sounds like crap... If it works and doesn't mess with HAM radio, give it a try, oterhwise it shouldn't be used. |
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RadioDoc
58ef2c0
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
 ·AT&T Midwest
| reply to BF69
Re: Ham's arent complaining ?
I'll put money on there being more hams now than there would ever be rural broadband customers served by BPL even without the technical restrictions. So I agree, why are we catering to a very very very small less than 1% group of people? A group even smaller than the three quarters of a million amateur radio operators in the US alone. Considering that there are multiple, better ways to get relatively slow broadband access to people BPL is at best a bad technology.
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Toolmaster of La Grange. |
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amigo_boy
join:2005-07-22
Tempe, AZ
 ·Cox HSI
 ·magicjack.com
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said by jjeffeory :HAM radio is ... very useful in the event of a major catastrophic emergency... It's all relative. Hobbyists sacrifice the quality of their frequencies in the name of personal enjoyment and expanding their participants. A good example is eliminating morse code. 10 years ago the argument for retaining it is exactly the same argument used today against BPL. It was the only thing that could reliably communicate in an emergency (when your microphone is damaged, etc.). It communicates in a smaller band with less power. Etc., etc. And, without it, the riff-raff would get licenses and the hobby hands would sound like CB.
But, it went by the wayside. Now you have people using more power than is required to communicate. Just talking over others. Etc.
Which bands does BPL affect? HF only? It sounds like it because people say the problem with BPL is propagation. But, I'm not sure.
Mark |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD | BPL affect more than just HAM radio. It affects frequencies up to 80Mhz.
Please do some more research before you spout off what you clearly know nothing about. |
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amigo_boy
join:2005-07-22
Tempe, AZ
·Cox HSI
·magicjack.com
| said by moonpuppy :BPL affect more than just HAM radio. It affects frequencies up to 80Mhz. Ok, but what I was getting at is: why can't higher frequencies be used for the stated "emergency services" which hobby frequencies are supposed to be protected for?
Mark |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| said by amigo_boy :said by moonpuppy :BPL affect more than just HAM radio. It affects frequencies up to 80Mhz. Ok, but what I was getting at is: why can't higher frequencies be used for the stated "emergency services" which hobby frequencies are supposed to be protected for? Mark Do you even know what occupies the HF spectrum? It runs the gamut from commercial operators all the way to the military. Try telling the military they have to move. Add to that, we as taxpayers have to pay higher taxes for all government and military users to swap out all their radios with new ones. That won't be cheap.
And don't think you can confine BPL just to the HAM radio sections because it is not enough space.
Try again. |
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amigo_boy
join:2005-07-22
Tempe, AZ
·Cox HSI
·magicjack.com
| said by moonpuppy :Do you even know what occupies the HF spectrum? One question at a time please. That's not what I asked. Why can't higher frequencies be used for the emergency services which we're told is the benefit of hobby radio?
Mark |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| said by amigo_boy :said by moonpuppy :Do you even know what occupies the HF spectrum? One question at a time please. That's not what I asked. Why can't higher frequencies be used for the emergency services which we're told is the benefit of hobby radio? Mark That question directly relates to your question. Moving everyone up will cost billions. It is not just amateur radio that would need to move.
As the frequency goes up, the distance goes down. Long range communications are possible in HF and not so much in VHF or higher. |
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amigo_boy
join:2005-07-22
Tempe, AZ
·Cox HSI
·magicjack.com
| said by moonpuppy : As the frequency goes up, the distance goes down. Long range communications are possible in HF and not so much in VHF or higher. Relays and nets? It's all relative, right?
Mark |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| said by amigo_boy :said by moonpuppy : As the frequency goes up, the distance goes down. Long range communications are possible in HF and not so much in VHF or higher. Relays and nets? It's all relative, right? Mark Nope, it is not. Again, you know nothing of what you are talking about. A relay is only as good as the furthest distance it can reach. As it stands now, HF is the ONLY set of frequencies that can cover this country. Not 50Mhz nor anything higher in the amateur spectrum. VHF is line of sight which becomes extremely difficult in mountainous regions. You do realize we have mountains in this country right? |
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amigo_boy
join:2005-07-22
Tempe, AZ
·Cox HSI
·magicjack.com
| said by moonpuppy :VHF is line of sight which becomes extremely difficult in mountainous regions. That's why there could be a mixture of VHF hobbyists and satellite services.
Mark |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| said by amigo_boy :said by moonpuppy :VHF is line of sight which becomes extremely difficult in mountainous regions. That's why there could be a mixture of VHF hobbyists and satellite services. Mark A mobile unit cannot communicate with a satellite easily. HF can be made mobile very easily.
Plus, anytime you start mixing frequencies and modes, you lose reliability of communication and it becomes a bad game of "telephone."
Until you do a bit more research, you won't understand how radio communications work. |
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amigo_boy
join:2005-07-22
Tempe, AZ
·Cox HSI
·magicjack.com
| said by moonpuppy :A mobile unit cannot communicate with a satellite easily. As I said, I never had a problem with my Iridium phone.
Mark |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| said by amigo_boy :said by moonpuppy :A mobile unit cannot communicate with a satellite easily. As I said, I never had a problem with my Iridium phone. Mark But you fail to realize the extended costs. The service costs monthly even if it is not used. Currently, the military does not pay for spectrum and neither does public service. Again, how much more in taxes are you willing to spend for this conversion?
Now, you also forget the millions needed to put up even more satellites for all these new phones that have to go out to everyone. Who is going to maintain them? NASA? Even more millions in repairs if they need to fix them. XM Radio paid $15 million for their sats and 2 have failed. |
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amigo_boy
join:2005-07-22
Tempe, AZ
·Cox HSI
·magicjack.com
| said by moonpuppy :Again, how much more in taxes are you willing to spend for this conversion? Again, not more than the price of an M16.
Mark |
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