Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20173934 en Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:02:05 EDT Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:02:05 EDT Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20206697 jc100 : Yes, but did you bother looking at the MAJORITY of the list? I don't care who Lobbies the best. That's an aside issue. So are you justifying X state paying the least amount but getting the most? That seems ass backwards to me. Also, if you look back at projects like the Tennessee Valley Authority and other major things (Reconstruction, etc) the North footed the bill for those. Why? We had NO OBLIGATION to help. Merely, we chose to. However, we need to STOP choosing too and let you guys pay your own way. Screw the socializing the south. You guys WHINE AND MOAN about how you hate socialism and everything government mandated. By god, we should let you live up to that. We will let your hospitals close, schools go under, etc when that funding stops. I guess you'll then moan about how you want the government stepping right back in. See, it's a two way street. The south is a two faced part of the U.S. Whines nonstop about things, but enjoys them anyway.

As per the environment, yes it;s important and NO I am not against spending money to keep things right. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20206697 Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:08:37 EDT Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20188338 scrummie02 : The NAS did a study that said the Brady Bill did shit...so your beloved anti-Gun president and his shill of a wife accomplished nothing in the way of preventing crime. The did put into effect a bad law though...
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said by scrummie02 See Profile :

No thanks. I live in VA for a reason, because it's not Maryland or DC. I don't want Maryland with it's crime, taxes, anti-gun laws and stupid politicians in my state.
This wouldn't be so laughable if you didn't live in northern VA. A stones throw from DC, you too have stupid politicians (albeit local), dumb taxes, and the same crime coupled with a much higher cost of living, terrible traffic congestion, and ridiculously high property values. The gun laws are thanks in part to the rest of Virginia which is pretty conservative and rural.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20178576 Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:44:23 EDT Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20178530 kyler13 :
said by jc100 See Profile :

I am not saying they are right, but my guess is that to lay this fiber, they have to dig. IE they will be disturbing said wetlands by having to dig up areas and lay the fiber underground.
No, MD is running a trunk that will then service rural communities. The opposition is correct in that they can run the fiber along roadways that already cut through said wetlands, basically disturbing nothing. This isn't about protecting wetlands. It's about the state wanting the money (believe me, they need money) and the people running it not wanting to pay the fee since there's no impact. I suppose it could open up a door for circumventing environmental protection, but the government could easily submit the proper language necessary to grant a "bye" to utilizing exsiting "cut-throughs" in wetland areas. That, however, won't help Maryland's already struggling bottom line.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20178530 Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:36:29 EDT Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20178501 kyler13 : It's not the area which is the problem, but rather the footprint of MD that makes running the fiber so difficult. Not many, if any, counties are spread out like MD. Add to that the Chesapeake Bay splitting it in half makes it difficult to get fiber to the eastern half. Part of this plan put on hold was to run fiber underneath the Bay Bridge. I'm sure the Baltimore/DC corridor is easy to outfit with fiber, and most of it already is with FIOS and Comcast's network. But stretching to the Atlantic and well into the Appalachians is where the task becomes daunting.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20178501 Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:30:49 EDT Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20178287 jvanbrecht :
said by scrummie02 See Profile :

No thanks. I live in VA for a reason, because it's not Maryland or DC. I don't want Maryland with it's crime, taxes, anti-gun laws and stupid politicians in my state.
There are no Anti gun laws in MD, its quite easy to obtain a permit to own a gun. Concealed carry permits, while they do exist in MD, are almost impossible to get though]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20178287 Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:48:57 EDT Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20177950 lesopp : You want to see politicians with half a brain? Put them all together in the same room and they might add up to someone meeting your criterion.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20177950 Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:38:35 EDT Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174961 moonpuppy :
said by jc100 See Profile :

As guns solve everything, right? That's why under this current administration crime has flat lined and increased in many areas since the assault rifle ban and other initiatives under Clinton expired. Don't believe me, check the FBI statistics.
There is a total ban on guns in DC yet gun crime is high. Explain that.

An armed society is a polite society.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174961 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:02:11 EDT Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174686 jjeffeory : Just because the State gets a handout doesn't mean the people do. Be mad at the state. I know in Louisiana corruption was rampant & money wasn't spent where it was supposed to be spent when I lived there.

Further more, what do other states and where money goes have to do with why "MD state government - one of the worst in the country"???

What I'm getting out of this is basically, Maryland must levy x amount in (silly) taxes because they're giving so much, more than their fair share, to those damned lazy losers "Southerners"...

Which Southerners? I also saw Ohio and Indiana on the "bad list" link... Some may consider that "Southern" but I don't... Nevada is on there too. I think that you've just found out which states are better at getting their paws on the pot. Maybe Maryland, New York, & Mass should take some lessons on getting money into their state?

I think you're being defensive. It's okay and I understand. I like the environment too, and I may be a little more willing to give some of MY money if I thought it would actually go to help preserve the wetlands.

Those of us without this D.C./Maryland/Virginia fighting thing going around here just all of these crazy high taxes and fees as getting taken advantage of from yet another "someone else".

Stat of Maryland, Don't tax something that creates value in your community and doesn't cause any damage.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174686 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 15:52:01 EDT Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174660 jc100 : Try scrolling up a bit and finding my link where it tells who receives the most federal HANDOUTS. It should be noticed, most of t hose same states contribute the LEAST to the pot they take from.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174660 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 15:46:43 EDT Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174313 jjeffeory : What are you talking about?
Believe-you-me, I'm not a big fan of the South either. I got out of there after Katrina.
What Southern States are you talking about SPECIFICALLY? I've lived in California, Nevada, Utah, LOUISIANA, Wisconsin, Illinois, Ohio, D.C., Maryland... They all get their fair of federal money... They all have varying levels of taxes... Specifically, in Louisiana, they didn't tax me as much as Maryland or D.C does for income, roads, food, or pretty much anything else... Yet there are good quality roads in great condition for me to drive upon and you don't have to pay a huge toll every day. Actually, most of the states I've lived in don't charge as many tolls as Maryland for so-so condition roads.

This brings me back to the original topic. I don't think the state needs an more of 'OUR' money to waste. Putting up fiber is no big deal.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174313 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:23:51 EDT Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174290 jjeffeory : The GOVERNMENT agancy will do the least amount of work possible in actually getting something productive DONE. I've seen it time and time again. The money is eaten up in the administrative costs. I'm tired of taxes. Everything becomes a "resource" grab, and it's out of control.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174290 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:17:29 EDT Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174273 jc100 : That money they pay is gladly used by the slacking southern states who for many reasons can't get off their asses or fund their own initiatives. The North's taxes should stay there and in their respective states. We shouldn't be left footing the bill for the fools down south who don't want to pony up the cash, but love the initiatives the taxes pay for (Northerners taxes that is). Therefore, I say we start a campaign to make southern states repay northern taxpayers and from here on out give them NOTHING back beyond what their citizens pay. How about them apples?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174273 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:12:12 EDT Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174256 jc100 : However, it will be that GOVERNMENT agency who will end up facing the burden. Do you believe for one moment the company is going to fix their damage if NOT MADE TO? The Environmental agency figures they will get STUCK with the job anyway. They might as well collect the bill for having to do it. Tax payers shouldn't be the ones to foot it. This company should. Therefore, I have got no gripe against taxing them in favor the the damage their work will cause.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174256 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:09:42 EDT Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20173960 jjeffeory : There are too many taxes today. I've lived in every region of the U.S. The East coast states, including Maryland, are very expensive. They are relatively higher than any other region in my experience. You are nickled & dimed for everything you do. I'm suprised you all don't rebel. It's like the mob, except they're sanctioned because they do the sanctioning....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20173960 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 13:08:55 EDT Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20173947 jjeffeory : The company needs to fix the damage, not some government agency.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20173947 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 13:04:09 EDT Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20173934 jjeffeory :
said by EPS See Profile :

Because all our federal taxes go out to subsidize western states, of course...
As a person who has lived all over the United States, What are you talking about?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20173934 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 13:00:19 EDT Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20173871 schipperke : And we don't want you either, Virginia would dilute every percentile of monetary and intellectual metric we now have over the "Old Dominion"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20173871 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:41:12 EDT Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20173829 jc100 : Um, population wise buddy, the NORTH far out paces the south. Strange how that works...Older people tend to be snowbirds but guess what, most end up only sticking around the south for a few months. I guess that's about as much as they can tolerate anyway. Then again, you guys shouldn't have anything down there but swamps and trees. After all, if it wasn't for the north, all those fine things such as electricity, hospitals, roads, schools wouldn't exist because we fund them. Therefore, we have EVERY right to snowbird down there. We paid for those luxuries you enjoy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20173829 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:32:13 EDT Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20173657 kcir :
said by jc100 See Profile :

... The North pays the taxes (and majority of them), which the SOUTH doesn't mind using. I guess you don't mind your roads, schools, public utilities, and hospitals. All of which are funded by public dollars / federal dollars. Yet, the South has their hand in the till the most.
Living in the south all I see now is Northerns moving in. So is there anyone left up there ? Are you just ranting cause you're snowed in right now and can't head south too?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20173657 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:54:19 EDT Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20173497 anon : Maryland wouldn't be so liberal if we could make Washington DC a state, and "donate" Prince George's County and the rest of the DC surrounding counties to them!

Then again, I would also be happy if the northern counties could become part of Delaware.

Soon, the socialists will have us getting a permit to plant a flower in your backyard - and then add a "beautification tax" to it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20173497 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:15:21 EDT Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20173209 jc100 : As guns solve everything, right? That's why under this current administration crime has flat lined and increased in many areas since the assault rifle ban and other initiatives under Clinton expired. Don't believe me, check the FBI statistics. As per taxes, well gee, we all hate them. Then again, the south wouldn't have SQUAT if it weren't for the North. Yes, that's right. The North pays the taxes (and majority of them), which the SOUTH doesn't mind using. I guess you don't mind your roads, schools, public utilities, and hospitals. All of which are funded by public dollars / federal dollars. Yet, the South has their hand in the till the most. If it were up to me, we would let you guys rot in the stone age. Why should the NORTH fund projects like the Tenn. Valley Authority? We did after all. Then again, we're just a bunch of stupid liberals, who you guys don't seem to mind MOOCHING off us. Ah yes, when it comes to marriages and teen pregnancy, we have the lowest in both.... And you wondered why we made the mistake of having the civil war..We didn't gain much by keeping you guys, thats for sure.

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»www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/1397.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20173209 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 10:12:16 EDT Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20172773 rcdailey : The land area of Marylnad is less than 10,000 sq miles.

»www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0108223.html

The land area of San Bernardino County in CA is: 20,160 sq miles. The figure given in the link is not the same as given in a Wikipedia article, but regardless of which figure is used, the area exceeds 20,000 sq miles.

»www.co.san-bernardino.ca.us/facts.htm

I'm pretty sure that if you did a search of counties in the US, including Texas and other counties in CA, you'd find a few more that are larger than the State of Maryland in terms of area. A quick check shows that Inyo County in CA is over 10,000 sq miles in area. That's mostly desert and mountains, which can also be said of San Bernardino County and quite a few other counties in CA.

Of course there are environmental issues in CA that make this dispute in Maryland look trivial. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20172773 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 05:05:35 EDT Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20172718 jc100 : I am not saying they are right, but my guess is that to lay this fiber, they have to dig. IE they will be disturbing said wetlands by having to dig up areas and lay the fiber underground. There go, you have an issue. You are disturbing protected areas by having to bring in heavy machinery, which also causes further damage beyond the digging. This is probably the issue at hand. My guess, this agency wants to impose fees so they can restore the damage afterwards. By all means, that's a valid argument. You must restore what you disturbed. However, we can't expect people from the south to care much about the environment now can we. That's a liberal idea sort of like global warming and the fact bees are disappearing. It's witchery I tell you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20172718 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 04:01:03 EDT Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20172225 Voodoo288 :
said by BF69 See Profile :

said by SomeDude11 :

MD should just merge with VA or something.
Umm...No thanks. We don't want it. :p
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said by jjeffeory See Profile :

Hanging fiber along a highway isn't going to do ANYTHING to the environment.

Laws are very difficult to repeal. All we really need is someone with 1/2 a brain to see the difference and follow the spirit of the law in stead of try to stuff their coffers. It's all about greed instead of doing what's right these days...
This isn't about just "Hanging fiber along a highway" it seems (from the article) to be about a fee required for crossing wetlands, and specifically crossing rivers whether pole to pole, hanging from a bridge, a bore, or a trench, the coops use of the right of way is no more or less destructive than a cable or telco companies similar project. Assuming that the yearly fee was instituted to pay for inspection of proper maintenance and enforcement against violations of proper procedure.
I can't see a coop needing to be less responsable for the cost than a fully private business.
The coop needs to accept the cost (and wonder why the cost estimate did not include such an obvious expense)
If they are given an exemption either all other users shoulder the cost or the other companies sue/lobby to remove the fee and all the citizens share the cost through general taxes.
while one more wire on a pole seems harmless, one more and one more might require more/larger poles ( leaching more preservities ) one more trench means more erosion and so on.
if you don't like the laws and your current reps won't change them (after you CONTACT them, posting here isn't quite the same) then vote for, support and elect those that will (the largest (least utilized) lobby in the US political system is the individual voter) a few hundred/thousand persistant articulate complainers dwarf the most expensive commerial lobbying effort.
Many bitch, few expend the effort to do something about it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20171140 Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:46:38 EDT Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20170937 rit56 : Tshirt, funny when a little truth is added the pro corporate cabal has no further comment. I do agree with you especially on this site. anything that isn't 100% pro corporate the same people turn it into a political thing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20170937 Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:02:59 EDT Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20170868 jjeffeory : Hanging fiber along a highway isn't going to do ANYTHING to the environment.

Laws are very difficult to repeal. All we really need is someone with 1/2 a brain to see the difference and follow the spirit of the law in stead of try to stuff their coffers. It's all about greed instead of doing what's right these days...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20170868 Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:50:13 EDT Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20170849 jjeffeory :
said by BF69 See Profile :

said by SomeDude11 :

Currenty, we are blessed with one of the worst administrations in the history of MD. Nothing surprises me concerning this state and it's current state of affairs.
MD is like the size of many counties. How complicated can it be to run a state that size? MD should just merge with VA or something.
You're think of Washington, DC.... I doubt there is any county in TN as big as Maryland.... The largest County in the U.S. is San Bernardino County, CA... It may be larger than Rhode Island, but not Maryland.

On Topic...

That's really silly... Why does the East have to TAX everything?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20170849 Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:45:13 EDT Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20170715 tshirt :
said by pnh102 See Profile :


Of course, the same liberals continue to vote for the same idiots who ruined the places from where they came, and the cycle begins anew.
Now how did this become an anti-liberal thread/topic?
If the current law exists and requires said fees of ANY similar project, why should any project (quasi-governmental or not) receive a selective exemption?
If the law is nonsensical, ineffective or obsolete then it should be changed and still apply to all parties equally.

the reason the Chesapeake bay became a national poster child wetland destruction, degradadation, and now reconstruction/preservation was too many years of exemptions, backroom deals and turning a blind eye to horrible enviromental practices largely for the "special" business interests.
If equally applying the resulting laws/regulations to all makes me liberal, so be it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20170715 Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:16:56 EDT Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20170276 pnh102 :
said by MyDogHsFleas See Profile :

It shares a border and access to DC with Virginia, which is pretty much the opposite. Guess where the economic growth and wealth is? It's because of anti-growth and anti-business attitudes in Maryland.
Give it time. Northern Virginia is becoming infested with the same liberals who ruined plenty of other states, only because the business-friendly attitude you mentioned created many jobs, and because said liberals want to escape to places with lower taxes and other costs of living.

Of course, the same liberals continue to vote for the same idiots who ruined the places from where they came, and the cycle begins anew.
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This incident is just symptomatic of what you'll get when you trust government to manage everything for you and make life and the world wonderful.

Here's a link to an article that'll get you started, with links to deeper material, if you're interested. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20170246 Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:26:32 EDT Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20170218 BF69 :
said by SomeDude11 :

Currenty, we are blessed with one of the worst administrations in the history of MD. Nothing surprises me concerning this state and it's current state of affairs.
MD is like the size of many counties. How complicated can it be to run a state that size? MD should just merge with VA or something. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20170218 Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:19:21 EDT Re: MD state government - one of the worst in the country. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20170148 supergirl :
said by SomeDude11 :

Currenty, we are blessed with one of the worst administrations in the history of MD. Nothing surprises me concerning this state and it's current state of affairs.
Well, Maryland has a pretty Liberal government so crap like that will happen. I'm shocked Vermont, probably the most liberal, doesn't require a permit for adding a screen door to a house.
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