Re: Gotta love the vagueness of patents in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20174731 en Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:32:46 EDT Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:32:46 EDT Re: Gotta love the vagueness of patents http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20177949 Goober : Here's a little ditty to help you and others that are patently challenged:

"The name of the game is the claim." - Giles Rich]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20177949 Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:38:30 EDT Re: Gotta love the vagueness of patents http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20177533 Dogfather : You should take your own advice.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20177533 Mon, 17 Mar 2008 06:10:05 EDT Re: Gotta love the vagueness of patents http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20176920 MooJohn : Sorry I didn't ask your permission before expressing my opinion. Your position is clearly more valid than mine.

There are two portions of the patent that state exactly what I said:

quote:
It should be understood, however, that the intention is not to limit the invention to the particular embodiments described. On the contrary, the intention is cover all modifications, equivalents and alternatives falling within the spirit and scope of the invention as defined by the appended claims.


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The various embodiments described above are provided by way of illustration only and are not intended to limit the invention. Those skilled in the art will readily recognize various modifications and changes that may be made to the present invention without strictly following the example embodiments and applications illustrated and described herein.


Note the phrase "spirit and scope." In plain English, that's another way of saying they stake claim to basically any videoconferencing method using a terminal setup via a set-top box. It's an intentionally broad scope.

It's fine that they want to invent something that can do this. It's not fine that they can prevent someone else from accomplishing the same thing using a completely different method. It's like inventing a portable music player and then saying no one else can have a portable music player, even if the original unit was a radio and the new unit played MP3s. It's music and it's portable so you owe me money!
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John M - Cranky network guy]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20176920 Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:01:08 EDT Re: Gotta love the vagueness of patents http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20176571 insomniac84 :
said by BF69 See Profile :

go actually READ the patent before you come spouting off
Actually there is no need to. Like all other technology patents this one is sure to describe the invention in purposely vague terms. Which means if anyone wanted to use the "technology" in this patent they still have to figure it all out from scratch. No one should be able to make money on a patent that doesn't make it easy for others to use the so called innovation. If someone has to pay as much as the patent owner did to develop the product(or sometimes way more when the patent owner never actually develops the thing), than the owner of the patent doesn't deserve anything. Patents are supposed to be a shortcut to others and in return the patent owner gets paid. Currently patents hurt innovation, instead of helping. They really need to require that technical blueprints and prototypes be included with all patents. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20176571 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 22:45:45 EDT Re: Gotta love the vagueness of patents http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20175528 birdfeedr :
said by BF69 See Profile :

Might also want to post a link for anger management for him too.
Anger management? For MooJohn?

Cranky, yes. Angry? I don't think so.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20175528 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 19:15:51 EDT Re: Gotta love the vagueness of patents http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20175087 BF69 :
said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

said by BF69 See Profile :

go actually READ the patent before you come spouting off
Here is the link to that patent:
»patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Pars···,339,604
Don't post it for me post it for the other dude. Might also want to post a link for anger management for him too.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20175087 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:31:41 EDT Re: Gotta love the vagueness of patents http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174731 TKJunkMail :
said by BF69 See Profile :

go actually READ the patent before you come spouting off
Here is the link to that patent:
»patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Pars···,339,604
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said by MooJohn See Profile :

Yay, so now they own the exclusive rights to attaching a digital camera "to an input port" of a conferencing system. Not any specific method of doing so, naturally, but any and all methods by which a camera can be connected to a central unit of a video conferencing system.

I should run patent the idea of attaching a USB joystick to said central conferencing system. That should be all the information I need -- not how, why, which joystick, or what its function would be. 20 years from now when somebody figures out that part, they'll have to pay me to do it.

The patent office should be reserved for true inventions. This is just a pathetic grab to say "we got another patent."
go actually READ the patent before you come spouting off]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174428 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:49:26 EDT Gotta love the vagueness of patents http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174371 MooJohn : Yay, so now they own the exclusive rights to attaching a digital camera "to an input port" of a conferencing system. Not any specific method of doing so, naturally, but any and all methods by which a camera can be connected to a central unit of a video conferencing system.

I should run patent the idea of attaching a USB joystick to said central conferencing system. That should be all the information I need -- not how, why, which joystick, or what its function would be. 20 years from now when somebody figures out that part, they'll have to pay me to do it.

The patent office should be reserved for true inventions. This is just a pathetic grab to say "we got another patent."
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John M - Cranky network guy]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20174371 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:37:43 EDT