trparky
Bite My Shiny Metal Ass
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join:2000-05-24
Cleveland, OH
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Re: I wouldn't use Cogent even if they paid me!
I used to work for a web host and did Level 1 and sometimes Level 2 Technical Support and have seen what Cogent provides as "bandwidth". Yeah, most of the bottlenecks that customers saw was because of Cogent.
Now I no longer work for that web host but I do know that they peer with Level(3), AT&T, and Time Warner Telecom.
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wierdo
join:2001-02-16
Tulsa, OK
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| reply to dogma
7 or 8 years ago, Cogent was decidedly inferior. Their network was relatively unreliable and had significantly higher latency. And htey were unable to keep their peering ratios balanced, hence the issues with regularly being depeered by someone or another.
Now their network is better. Still not as good as some of the better ones, but much nearer the average. And now they're the ones doing the depeering and fucking their single-homed customers. If they really cared about their customers, they would accept TeliaSonera's routes from their transit providers (yes, Cogent has transit, they are not transit-free), rather than purposely filtering them. Of course, TeliaSonera generates and sinks a lot of traffic, so that would drive their costs up. Hmm..sounds like someone who one ought to peer with, doesn't it?
Luckily, most network managers have learned that Cogent only is not OK, because you will eventually get burned if you go that route.
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Qumahlin
Never Enough Time
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join:2001-10-05
united state
2 edits | reply to dogma
said by dogma  :said by trparky :If I had the choice of choosing who to provide me bandwidth for a server, I definitely wouldn't choose Cogent. They couldn't pay me to take their service! Why would I choose them when there are other providers that offer far better SLAs and better service? Perhaps this is why you are not in the position of choosing a bandwidth provider? 7 or 8 years ago, I too bought into the rhetoric that Cogent bandwidth was somehow inferior. This FUD all emanated from Cogent's then competitors like AT&T, Level(3), Global Crossing, etc. who were all selling $300/Mb IP . They all said cogent couldn't possibly survive selling $10/Mb IP. Well, we have IP from AT&T/Level(3)/Telia/Sprint...and Cogent for the past 6 years and they are all about the same in terms of performance and reliability. The only difference is now all of those former high-cost providers are pricing the same or below Cogent's list price. Cogent's bandwidth isn't inferior, and those who said it was are morons. Cogent simply violates the primary relationship between peers being that you have somewhat even traffic flows and don't simply flood other providers while taking very little traffic yourself.
To understand the issues with Cogent you need to work for a ISP or other company that has to deal frequently with peering and traffic loads.
To the average customer Cogent is a amazing deal. You just run the risk of having your site cut completely from the internet by other major peers because you chose to use the assholes of the industry and with the prices and service they offer who could blame you?
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dogma
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join:2002-08-15
Boulder City, NV
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said by trparky :If I had the choice of choosing who to provide me bandwidth for a server, I definitely wouldn't choose Cogent. They couldn't pay me to take their service! Why would I choose them when there are other providers that offer far better SLAs and better service? Perhaps this is why you are not in the position of choosing a bandwidth provider?
7 or 8 years ago, I too bought into the rhetoric that Cogent bandwidth was somehow inferior. This FUD all emanated from Cogent's then competitors like AT&T, Level(3), Global Crossing, etc. who were all selling $300/Mb IP . They all said cogent couldn't possibly survive selling $10/Mb IP.
Well, we have IP from AT&T/Level(3)/Telia/Sprint...and Cogent for the past 6 years and they are all about the same in terms of performance and reliability. The only difference is now all of those former high-cost providers are pricing the same or below Cogent's list price. |
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