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| [Cooling] AS5 or AS Ceramique?
I have a Q6600 and have a Scythe Ninja 1100P cooler coming.
I have lapped the Q6600 to a dull shine. From what I have read the Scythe has a polished heatsink. I have OC'd my CPU to 3.6 already with a Arctic Freezer 7 Pro but it doesnt run cool enough. What would be better AS5 or AS Ceramique for the Scythe? (I have both now)
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Catskill, NY | I have both and I see a slight advantage with the AS%...and its what I find myself using most of the time...but they are so close I think it is personal preference really |
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What I have seen online is that, according to test/reviews, ASC tests about a degree C less affective, but because of the way it is applied, unless someone is quite good and applying AS5 to a very thin layer, ASC can yield better results, but just for that reason only.
There IS better than both of these, there are 2 or 3 products that test as good as and better than, but only by a degree, or two, or three, give or take, than either AS products.
Example is Coolaboratory's Liquid Pro Liquid Metal. It is VERY effective, but a MAJOR BEAOTCH to apply and worse to remove. It is what I use, but only on my CPU.
I have AS5, ASC, liquid pro, and Shin Etsu Mircrosi (forget which one, what it is called). The latter is great when it comes to maching, say, AMD's compound, in fact, it is believed by some that that is what they use for their pads on their stock HS/Fs.
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Thanks for the info guys. |
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Some other comments: IMHO, ASC does seem to degrade over time. AS5 can tend to make a CPU get "glued" in place. Liquid Pro has neither problem. It shocks me that more people haven't caught on to it.
»www.coollaboratory.com/en/index.shtml
It's sole problem is that you use a paint brush to apply it and it takes time and patience to apply and remove, using Brasso. It is only good to use where one won't worry about the little balls of it that flick off not causing a short. Since it can be applied on a HS and CPU IHS *AWAY FROM* the motherboard, it is great for that. But for a North Bridge, since you can't remove the chip, it's better to use ASC. AS5 is best for GPUs IMHO. Shin Etsu's new Gel is pretty darned good too, about as good as ASC.
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i love my Ceramique. most of the new pastes only cool about 1-2C better at best, and they all seem to be a royal PITA to apply. Ceramique is really easy, but you have to follow the instructions to a 'T'.
Also, Radio Shack sells Ceramique for like $6 a tube, which is very reasonable and no shipping or waiting for it to arrive.
i used AC3 previously and it glued a few procs to the HS...i wasnt too keen on that, which is why i went with C instead of AS5 this time around.
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Have a Zalman 900 coming today for my 8800gt. Might redo the CPU cooler while its apart. Try ASC on it this time.
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I prefer Ceramique, it's just cleaner and easier to work with.
As with any TIM, one should replace it with new material every once in a while as they all will degrade and/or dry up after a while.
And when you do that, you'll come to the worst trait of all of AS5 or any silver based compound for that matter. They're a pain to clean off.
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Catskill, NY | i usually use alcohol pads to wipe that crap right off. |
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CCat
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Wonderland | I get most of it off with a kleenex then use 91% Iso Alcohol.
Comes right off.
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Nail polish remover with Acetone or brake cleaner. |
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Catskill, NY | to each their own, but I personally wouldn't put any of that stuff on my processor. |
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Are you naked?
You're talking about cleaning an IHS, not the pin side.
They're all evaporative chemicals, and alcohol will leave as much residue as the rest.
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| uhh I am fully clothed 
Nail polish remover has moisturizers/emoilients in it that don't evaporate and i don't think acetone is too good for any plastics/adhesives in the processor. and there could be other chemicals besides perchloroethylene in brake cleaner...like I said, to each their own, I'm not dissing your choice of cleaners, but I still wouldn't use either of those on my cpu's |
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| said by rosco  :uhh I am fully clothed Nail polish remover has moisturizers/emoilients in it that don't evaporate and i don't think acetone is too good for any plastics/adhesives in the processor. and there could be other chemicals besides perchloroethylene in brake cleaner...like I said, to each their own, I'm not dissing your choice of cleaners, but I still wouldn't use either of those on my cpu's ive used isopropyl alcohol for almost 15 years, of which 10 of those IHS' didnt even exist, and ive had no problems.
all the thermal compounds ive removed came off instantly with no fuss at all, and of course the alcohol evaporates almost instantly |
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Catskill, NY | yep, alcohol has always worked the best for me since way back when with the exposed cores  |
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Stick with Arctic silver 5 and as close to 100% alcohol as possible for cleaning.
Its non conductive. |
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At our local walgreens you can get 91% isopropynol for like 2 bucks a good bottle. Ive had one bottle for 3 or 4 years and its still about 1/4 full (spilled half it in year 1...).
As for ASC and AS5...
Ive used both. Temp wise I never could notice a significant difference. Dont forget you cant just put one on, take a temp, wipe it off, put the other on, take a temp then compared. I know AS5 can take up to TWO WEEKS to fully cure.
ASC tends to be a bit easier to apply and see if you have a even coat. AS5, since its silver, often blends in with most IHS.
One other thing about AS5 thats been mentioned but Ill mention again. After it cures, specifically on large IHS, it likes to form a grip of death. Now thats really not a problem on LGA type processors where the processor is physically anchored... but for us oldies on PGA type they can rip the processors right outta the socket when you try to remove the heat sink (even if bery bery careful).
Which one I prefer?... no preference. I have 2 tubes of each and grab which ever my hand gets.
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Not all nail polish removers have lots of crap in them. Some are only Acetone and water. The only problem is they aren't super pure and there's a little more water than ideal. But if you use near pure alchohol afterwards, it makes a good cleaner.
But myself, I use Arctic Clean, the kit, and for my liquid pro, I first use mag polish, then brasso, and then Arctic Clean. I prefer Arctic Clean because the fumes aren't so bad, it isn't flammable, and doesn't evaporate so fast and chill like Acetone and alchohol do.
To each his own, though.
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| I use only Pharmaceutical grade isopropyl alcohol... 99%
You can ask for it at your local pharmacy and if they don't carry it, the pharmacist usually will be glad to order it for you and you'll have it in a day or two from their supplier.
See sku M-314 here: »www.first-aid-product.com/indust···ohol.htm
This stuff removes any hardened TIM - Ceramique and AS5 come off easily with it... and no residue.
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