Skeedatl
To Provoke and Annoy
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
 ·Cox HSI
 ·MegaPath
·Verizon west (ex G..
 ·ViaTalk
·Time Warner VOIP
·Cox VOIP
·RoadRunner Cable
edit:
March 19th, @01:33PM
| reply to Skippy25
Re: Nothing new
Let's get some facts straight, juries, not courts decide awards and that is why corporations have to have arbitration.
Arbitration doesn't mean immunity or automatic victory for corporations. It just means that the chances of avoiding a multi million dollar payout for something stupid like losing a notebook is far less likely.
To some here at DSLR, anything short of $50 million for a fried laptop is the corporation screwing over the customer.
This »www.informationweek.com/news/sho···06504123 is why Verizon has to have arbitration clauses. |
|
vpoko
Premium
join:2003-07-03
Jamaica Plain, MA
·Comcast
| How about that study that showed that Comcast wins 97% of their arbitration cases? Remember, the arbitator is NOT neutral, they're hired by the company. If a high enough percentage of cases don't go their way, they can be replaced. That's not what arbitration is supposed to be. |
|
Skeedatl
To Provoke and Annoy
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
·Cox HSI
·MegaPath
·Verizon west (ex G..
·ViaTalk
·Time Warner VOIP
·Cox VOIP
·RoadRunner Cable
| Just because Comcast won doesn't mean they weren't justified in winning 97% of the time and it depends on what is defined as winning. I would like to see that study if you have a link to it.
And arbitration is a far better solution than having a subscriber funded bottomless trough for the bloodsucking lawyers.
I'm no fan of corporations, I just hate the blood sucking vampire lawyers who are ruining this country. |
|
vpoko
Premium
join:2003-07-03
Jamaica Plain, MA
·Comcast
| The study is here »www.citizen.org/documents/Final_wcover.pdf and it was 94%, not 97 - my mistake.
I have no problem with mandatory arbitration - if the company handling the arbitration doesn't have a relationship with either party. |
|
Skeedatl
To Provoke and Annoy
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | I wonder who funds that think tank. |
|
vpoko
Premium
join:2003-07-03
Jamaica Plain, MA | Why don't you spend some time wondering who funds the arbitrators? And how can an arbitrator that's paid BY a company be neutral when handling that company's disputes? |
|
KraziJoe
join:2006-09-08
Alexandria, VA
·Comcast
| reply to Skeedatl
Verizon will fix my notebook? |
|
Skeedatl
To Provoke and Annoy
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
·Cox HSI
·MegaPath
·Verizon west (ex G..
·ViaTalk
·Time Warner VOIP
·Cox VOIP
·RoadRunner Cable
edit:
March 19th, @02:18PM
| reply to vpoko
said by vpoko  :Why don't you spend some time wondering who funds the arbitrators? And how can an arbitrator that's paid BY a company be neutral when handling that company's disputes? Cause I know who funds them (arbitrators) and its' easy to be neutral.
In my business I pay my worker's comp auditor, ISO auditor, and a few others and they tell me to fix stuff and I don't fire them for it.
Meanwhile I always follow the money no matter who is telling their story. |
|
Skeedatl
To Provoke and Annoy
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
·Cox HSI
·MegaPath
·Verizon west (ex G..
·ViaTalk
·Time Warner VOIP
·Cox VOIP
·RoadRunner Cable
edit:
March 19th, @02:15PM
| reply to KraziJoe
said by KraziJoe :Verizon will fix my notebook? If they're responsible for destroying it. »www.macwork.com/2006/11/28/pics-···inferno/ |
|
vpoko
Premium
join:2003-07-03
Jamaica Plain, MA
·Comcast
| reply to Skeedatl
said by Skeedatl :Meanwhile I always follow the money no matter who is telling their story. No, you're obviously not following the money going to arbitrators. Why can an arbitrator remain neutral, even though it's in their interest to rule towards the company that hires them, but a think tank must have an agenda influenced by the source of their funding.
Sounds like you have a double standard when it comes to following the money. |
|
Skeedatl
To Provoke and Annoy
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
·Cox HSI
·MegaPath
·Verizon west (ex G..
·ViaTalk
·Time Warner VOIP
·Cox VOIP
·RoadRunner Cable
| As I stated, just because the company pays them doesn't automatically mean they aren't neutral. In the course of my business pay auditors (the closest think to arbitrators I use) who are neutral. No problem.
No double standard. I always follow the money. Arbitration is far better that subscribers giving millions to greedy bloodsucking lawyers because the ISP blows up a notebook. |
|
vpoko
Premium
join:2003-07-03
Jamaica Plain, MA
·Comcast
| said by Skeedatl :As I stated, just because the company pays them doesn't automatically mean they aren't neutral. In the course of my business pay auditors (the closest think to arbitrators I use) who are neutral. No problem. Sure it's a problem, remember Arthur Anderson? That's why we have the Sarbanes-Oxley Act now, to try to prevent auditors from getting in bed with the companies they're hired to audit. We need the same thing for arbitration.
Would you be opposed to the consumer choosing the arbitrator, with the loser paying the costs? |
|
Skeedatl
To Provoke and Annoy
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | I would love nothing more than a loser pays system. It will fix everything from heathcare to patent trolling. |
|
