cacoPremium
join:2005-03-10
Whittier, AK | Taxes- How much are you willing to pay. Denmark- 38-59% + VAT 25%
Finland- 10-48% + VAT 22%
Netherlands- 0-52% + VAT 19%
Sweden- 0-56% + VAT 6-25%
USA- 0-35% NO VAT
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join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
3 edits | said by caco:Denmark- 38-59% + VAT 25% Finland- 10-48% + VAT 22% Netherlands- 0-52% + VAT 19% Sweden- 0-56% + VAT 6-25% USA- 0-35% NO VAT 1. Are you high? Do you even know WTF VAT means actually?
Stop posting false info, pls.
For cvlueless trolls: value-added tax equals to our sales tax.
Here in NYC we have 8.38% and AFAIK it's between 4% and 10% in US states.
2. They all have top-notch universal healthcare, included in taxes, most also include quality basic and secondary education as well (not worthless one like we have here). We have BS and parasitic war industry costs included, not healthcare or any social services in our taxes.
Somehow we keep financing this giant, megalomaniac, parasitic military-industrial complex - exactly the one Eisenhower, the five-star general and later President warned about: "we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex... Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together." |
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join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
4 edits | VAT is a national sales tax and it's massive because it can happen with EACH exchange (where as our sales tax is only levied on the final sale). He knows exactly what it is.
And no, they don't have top-notch healthcare. They have endless wait lists for even the most basic procedures and the gov'ts are going bankrupt from it.
No amount of liberal wishful thinking can change the disaster that socialized medicine in Canada and Europe is.
Their schools are better because they aren't crippled by the corruption of the NEA and our greedy teacher unions. |
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"top-notch" does not mean basic access. Americans have access to top-notch healthcare. Actually on par, better healthcare. It's just expensive for the end-user.
Americans take trips to get cheap healthcare. Foreigners come here when they want some of the finest healthcare. |
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DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
1 edit | It's not expensive, most in this country have health coverage. According to census data, less than 16% »www.census.gov/Press-Release/www···647.html don't have health coverage.
Putting 1/6th of the US GDP in the hands of this inept gov't would be a total disaster. We already see from other gov't programs how corrupt and wasteful they are. Nothing the gov't does, works well, other than the IRS. The gov't is very skilled at stealing money from Joe Taxpayer. |
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said by caco:Denmark- 38-59% + VAT 25% Finland- 10-48% + VAT 22% Netherlands- 0-52% + VAT 19% Sweden- 0-56% + VAT 6-25% USA- 0-35% NO VAT You obviously aren't aware what VAT is, its scope, and I won't bother to explain. Better to learn for yourself. I'll stick strictly to the Scandinavian countries and Finland, for they are all I have personal experience with. The tech saviness and infrastructure of these countries is staggering. They are far, far ahead of the US as far as that goes, but like someone mentioned before, size and population play a factor. The population of all of those countries combined pales in comparison to many of our states. That said, I still think we can do better. It will never be perfect and there are rural areas with such sparse populations that it is not economically feasible, but with the technology we have here, we should definitely strive to be towards, if not on, the top. |
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said by kamm:Stop posting false info, pls. Good advice. You should take it.
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join:2003-06-15
Allentown, PA | reply to kamm
said by kamm:Somehow we keep financing this giant, megalomaniac, parasitic military-industrial complex - exactly the one Eisenhower, the five-star general and later President warned about: It is good that you spelled out his name. I don't think the current generation knows who Ike is. He was a real conservative, and the world's expert on the military-industrial complex, long before the Republican party was hijacked by the Neocons who think that conservatism is invading the wrong country. |
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DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
2 edits | reply to godmachine12
The VAT is the worst, largest and most punitive type of tax there is.
I'll keep my cable and heath insurance (that I pay for), they can keep their huge income tax rates and VAT.
People and business know how to spend their hard earned money better that the corrupt douchebags in Washington do. |
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cacoPremium
join:2005-03-10
Whittier, AK
2 edits | reply to godmachine12
You should stop assuming what someone knows or does not know. Try staying focused on what I posted instead of attacking the messenger. I'm fully aware of what is a Value Added Tax.
The question was are you willing to pay more in overall taxes to have greater penetration of broadband?
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY | reply to Dogfather
said by Dogfather:VAT is a national sales tax and it's massive. He knows exactly what it is. Apparently neither of you do.:P VAT and sales tax belong to the the same taxation concept: »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_tax
And no, they don't have top-notch healthcare. They have endless wait lists for even the most basic procedures and the gov'ts are going bankrupt from it.
Classic BS from some right-wing nutcase propaganda brochure - have you lived there? Of course not otherwise you wouldn't parrot this false crap. I did and I know exactly why French or Spanish healthcare system and quality is far ahead of this mess we have here. Funny part that UK one is also a really good one and it is entirely gov-run, like in a Communist state. 
Bankrupt? ROFLMAO!!! Did you check the balance sheets of the any industry here i.e. auto? US is completely wrecked by these artificially cosmical healthcare costs which only make HMOs rich. Most EU countries of have different problems - immigration - but even so Spain is enjoying 10+ years of continuous 3.5%+ GDP growth, France has the #1 healthcare system of the world AFAIK and their problem is their laziness - 35 hours week? - and other things, not really healthcare is their main issue.
No amount of liberal wishful thinking can change the disaster that socialized medicine in Canada and Europe is.
ROFLMAO - do you watch news?  I mean REAL NEWS, not some FauxNoise-like BS outlet.
I doubt otherwise you'd be aware of the CRISIS this country is in, thanks to the rightwing-nutcase agenda you're apparently praising.
Their schools are better because they aren't crippled by the corruption of the NEA.
I don't know about that but IMO they are better because they run the schools differently than we do and they DO require much more work and they DO NOT downplay the importance of basic, lexical knowledge. In other words: less chit-chatting BS teaching, more serious hard work and real science and knowledge. I think American public schools are worthless. I'm sure there are examples but the amount of knowledge you get out of these schools with is simply laughable. HS knowledge requirements are on pair with those I had acquired by the time I was ~12. We need a complete turnaround in public elementary and secondary education here, the current system is utterly broken.
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY | reply to bogey780
said by bogey780:"top-notch" does not mean basic access. Americans have access to top-notch healthcare. Actually on par, better healthcare. It's just expensive for the end-user. Americans take trips to get cheap healthcare. Foreigners come here when they want some of the finest healthcare. Keep dreaming. It's simply false, everyone knows.
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY | reply to Dogfather
said by Dogfather:The VAT is the worst, largest and most punitive type of tax there is. I'll keep my cable and heath insurance (that I pay for), they can keep their huge income tax rates and VAT. People and business know how to spend their hard earned money better that the corrupt douchebags in Washington do. ROFL, you're more clueless than I thought - you pay more for your healthcare ALONE per MONTH than all your VAT would be in Europe.
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY | reply to BillRoland
said by BillRoland:said by kamm:Stop posting false info, pls. Good advice. You should take it. Do you have anything to say or just keep trolling...?
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | reply to Dogfather
said by Dogfather:It's not expensive, most in this country have health coverage. According to census data, less than 16% » www.census.gov/Press-Release/www···647.html don't have health coverage. Putting 1/6th of the US GDP in the hands of this inept gov't would be a total disaster. We already see from other gov't programs how corrupt and wasteful they are. Nothing the gov't does, works well, other than the IRS. The gov't is very skilled at stealing money from Joe Taxpayer. Yeah, but what exactly does the "coverage" cover? I have awesome benefits (who does it benefit really?) via Blue Cross Blue Shield for the low, low, low price of $100/month. Oh, and it has a $2700 deductible before it covers ANYTHING. I'm a healthy, 30 year old white male with nothing to raise my rates. I pay $1200/year IN CASE something happens that costs more than $2700. The medical establishment in this country is a joke.
If you don't work for a large company that can negotiate a reasonable group deal, you get screwed.
At least I can buy ROP (Return on Premium) term life insurance that will give me every cent of my term life insurance premiums back if I don't croak during the coverage period. |
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DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | reply to kamm
Wrong. You obviously don't understand the VAT or how much I spend on my heath insurance or the heath insurance for my employees. |
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DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
2 edits | reply to kamm
Wrong on all accounts.
Meanwhile Sarkozy is trying to encourage a French work ethic because why now? Oh yeah, it's because the rest of the world kicks their ass in productivity.
Turn off Air America and come back after you actually get the facts instead making them up on the fly.
You liberals are too funny. The Smurfs aren't real. Socialism is an utter failure in real life. |
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cacoPremium
join:2005-03-10
Whittier, AK | I think I'm going to go premium just so I can ignore some of these idiots.
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DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | reply to Matt
The overage I offer my employees is $10 co-pay, $50 ER and $100/day hospitalization for the first 5 days, after that there is no co-pay. Prescriptions I think are $10 for generics.
The problem is not people not being able to afford healthcare, it's their screwed up priorities. They're rather have 2 expensive cars, $150 Nikes, and $150 a month cable/internet bills.
The medical establishment in the US works just fine save for the greedy bloody sucking trial lawyers like Sen. Edwards who make millions fleecing doctors. There are just some in this country who expect everyone else to pay their way through life. These children were coddled by their parents and now they want to be coddled by Joe Taxpayer via the government. They expect everything free, from free music and internet to free healthcare. |
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DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | reply to kamm
said by kamm:said by BillRoland:said by kamm:Stop posting false info, pls. Good advice. You should take it. Do you have anything to say or just keep trolling...? Pot, meet kettle. |
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