 kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
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Re: Taxes- How much are you willing to pay. said by caco:Denmark- 38-59% + VAT 25% Finland- 10-48% + VAT 22% Netherlands- 0-52% + VAT 19% Sweden- 0-56% + VAT 6-25% USA- 0-35% NO VAT 1. Are you high? Do you even know WTF VAT means actually?
Stop posting false info, pls.
For cvlueless trolls: value-added tax equals to our sales tax.
Here in NYC we have 8.38% and AFAIK it's between 4% and 10% in US states.
2. They all have top-notch universal healthcare, included in taxes, most also include quality basic and secondary education as well (not worthless one like we have here). We have BS and parasitic war industry costs included, not healthcare or any social services in our taxes.
Somehow we keep financing this giant, megalomaniac, parasitic military-industrial complex - exactly the one Eisenhower, the five-star general and later President warned about: "we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex... Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together." |
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join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
4 edits | VAT is a national sales tax and it's massive because it can happen with EACH exchange (where as our sales tax is only levied on the final sale). He knows exactly what it is.
And no, they don't have top-notch healthcare. They have endless wait lists for even the most basic procedures and the gov'ts are going bankrupt from it.
No amount of liberal wishful thinking can change the disaster that socialized medicine in Canada and Europe is.
Their schools are better because they aren't crippled by the corruption of the NEA and our greedy teacher unions. |
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"top-notch" does not mean basic access. Americans have access to top-notch healthcare. Actually on par, better healthcare. It's just expensive for the end-user.
Americans take trips to get cheap healthcare. Foreigners come here when they want some of the finest healthcare. |
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DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
1 edit | It's not expensive, most in this country have health coverage. According to census data, less than 16% »www.census.gov/Press-Release/www···647.html don't have health coverage.
Putting 1/6th of the US GDP in the hands of this inept gov't would be a total disaster. We already see from other gov't programs how corrupt and wasteful they are. Nothing the gov't does, works well, other than the IRS. The gov't is very skilled at stealing money from Joe Taxpayer. |
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said by kamm:Stop posting false info, pls. Good advice. You should take it.
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join:2003-06-15
Allentown, PA | reply to kamm
said by kamm:Somehow we keep financing this giant, megalomaniac, parasitic military-industrial complex - exactly the one Eisenhower, the five-star general and later President warned about: It is good that you spelled out his name. I don't think the current generation knows who Ike is. He was a real conservative, and the world's expert on the military-industrial complex, long before the Republican party was hijacked by the Neocons who think that conservatism is invading the wrong country. |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY | reply to Dogfather
said by Dogfather:VAT is a national sales tax and it's massive. He knows exactly what it is. Apparently neither of you do.:P VAT and sales tax belong to the the same taxation concept: »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_tax
And no, they don't have top-notch healthcare. They have endless wait lists for even the most basic procedures and the gov'ts are going bankrupt from it.
Classic BS from some right-wing nutcase propaganda brochure - have you lived there? Of course not otherwise you wouldn't parrot this false crap. I did and I know exactly why French or Spanish healthcare system and quality is far ahead of this mess we have here. Funny part that UK one is also a really good one and it is entirely gov-run, like in a Communist state. 
Bankrupt? ROFLMAO!!! Did you check the balance sheets of the any industry here i.e. auto? US is completely wrecked by these artificially cosmical healthcare costs which only make HMOs rich. Most EU countries of have different problems - immigration - but even so Spain is enjoying 10+ years of continuous 3.5%+ GDP growth, France has the #1 healthcare system of the world AFAIK and their problem is their laziness - 35 hours week? - and other things, not really healthcare is their main issue.
No amount of liberal wishful thinking can change the disaster that socialized medicine in Canada and Europe is.
ROFLMAO - do you watch news?  I mean REAL NEWS, not some FauxNoise-like BS outlet.
I doubt otherwise you'd be aware of the CRISIS this country is in, thanks to the rightwing-nutcase agenda you're apparently praising.
Their schools are better because they aren't crippled by the corruption of the NEA.
I don't know about that but IMO they are better because they run the schools differently than we do and they DO require much more work and they DO NOT downplay the importance of basic, lexical knowledge. In other words: less chit-chatting BS teaching, more serious hard work and real science and knowledge. I think American public schools are worthless. I'm sure there are examples but the amount of knowledge you get out of these schools with is simply laughable. HS knowledge requirements are on pair with those I had acquired by the time I was ~12. We need a complete turnaround in public elementary and secondary education here, the current system is utterly broken.
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY | reply to bogey780
said by bogey780:"top-notch" does not mean basic access. Americans have access to top-notch healthcare. Actually on par, better healthcare. It's just expensive for the end-user. Americans take trips to get cheap healthcare. Foreigners come here when they want some of the finest healthcare. Keep dreaming. It's simply false, everyone knows.
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY | reply to BillRoland
said by BillRoland:said by kamm:Stop posting false info, pls. Good advice. You should take it. Do you have anything to say or just keep trolling...?
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | reply to Dogfather
said by Dogfather:It's not expensive, most in this country have health coverage. According to census data, less than 16% » www.census.gov/Press-Release/www···647.html don't have health coverage. Putting 1/6th of the US GDP in the hands of this inept gov't would be a total disaster. We already see from other gov't programs how corrupt and wasteful they are. Nothing the gov't does, works well, other than the IRS. The gov't is very skilled at stealing money from Joe Taxpayer. Yeah, but what exactly does the "coverage" cover? I have awesome benefits (who does it benefit really?) via Blue Cross Blue Shield for the low, low, low price of $100/month. Oh, and it has a $2700 deductible before it covers ANYTHING. I'm a healthy, 30 year old white male with nothing to raise my rates. I pay $1200/year IN CASE something happens that costs more than $2700. The medical establishment in this country is a joke.
If you don't work for a large company that can negotiate a reasonable group deal, you get screwed.
At least I can buy ROP (Return on Premium) term life insurance that will give me every cent of my term life insurance premiums back if I don't croak during the coverage period. |
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DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
2 edits | reply to kamm
Wrong on all accounts.
Meanwhile Sarkozy is trying to encourage a French work ethic because why now? Oh yeah, it's because the rest of the world kicks their ass in productivity.
Turn off Air America and come back after you actually get the facts instead making them up on the fly.
You liberals are too funny. The Smurfs aren't real. Socialism is an utter failure in real life. |
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cacoPremium
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Whittier, AK | I think I'm going to go premium just so I can ignore some of these idiots.
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DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | reply to Matt
The overage I offer my employees is $10 co-pay, $50 ER and $100/day hospitalization for the first 5 days, after that there is no co-pay. Prescriptions I think are $10 for generics.
The problem is not people not being able to afford healthcare, it's their screwed up priorities. They're rather have 2 expensive cars, $150 Nikes, and $150 a month cable/internet bills.
The medical establishment in the US works just fine save for the greedy bloody sucking trial lawyers like Sen. Edwards who make millions fleecing doctors. There are just some in this country who expect everyone else to pay their way through life. These children were coddled by their parents and now they want to be coddled by Joe Taxpayer via the government. They expect everything free, from free music and internet to free healthcare. |
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DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | reply to kamm
said by kamm:said by BillRoland:said by kamm:Stop posting false info, pls. Good advice. You should take it. Do you have anything to say or just keep trolling...? Pot, meet kettle. |
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Exactly right Carbidyne. The liberal conspiracy freaks don't generally read beyond the CNN headlines that teach them. "US bad... EU good". I've been to 27 countries and seen these wonderful services, they didnt seem so great to those thousands of rioters every couple months in France. It don't seem to keep 9 EU countries out of the top for murders list (US is 24th btw). Most EU countries pay well over 40% of there earnings in taxes. Almost all the top 25 most corrupt countries (source - Transparency International) are EU. US rated #1 highest Civil and Political Liberties (Freedom House). US is ahead of all but 1 EU country in Economic Freedom (Heritage Foundation). Spain, UK, Russian, Poland, Canada and 121 other countries all have higher population of poor (CIA worldbook facts). Literacy rate in France, Italy, Spain is lower than US and Germany, Denmark, UK, Sweden, Belgium, Ireland, Japan, Australia, Canada, Switzerland are all equal to US (CIA Worldbook facts). US has a lower infant mortality rate then all EU countries. Most EU countries (and Canada, Australia, New Zealand) have a higher unemployment rate than the US. All EU countries scored lower then US on "total Happiness Rating" (World Values Survey). US ranked #1 in average years of schooling per adult (UNESCO). I have many more facts for you liberal sheep if you need them. See... thinking for yourself and researching really isnt that hard. You guys should try it sometime. |
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DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | reply to caco
said by caco:I think I'm going to go premium just so I can ignore some of these idiots. I like them, they make me laugh. |
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DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
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Shhhh, truth is Kryptonite to Liberals. You're breaking their bleeding hearts.
They value symbolism over substance. They say they care more so it makes them better than everyone else.
Meanwhile, people like me, who provide dozens of jobs, provide the healthcare insurance and pay many many many many times the taxes they do, do FAR more to contribute to our society and helping people than they EVER will.
But to them, I'm an evil business owner who should face a 100% tax rate 'cause I somehow cheated to get where I am. |
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Dude, what I said is spot on. Americans have some of the finest hospitals in the entire world with generally better access.
Any certified doctor can set a broken bone well enough or diagnose a cold/flu and prescribe treatment. That's what Europeans and other socialized countries have access to. That doesn't make it "top-notch".
Just like baseball and basketball, the best come here. |
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no, he's not. his analysis appears to be spot on - you are a perfect parrot for right wing talking points. |
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