sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| reply to jfmezei
Re: Nexxia throttling?
Throttling is clearly being done by deep packet inspection of the TCP packets within the PPPoE envelope.
The connectivity of the 3rd party ISPs is in their service agreement with Bell which most of us here are not privvy to. so you can't say that it can't throttle.
But it is a good point if that's what Bell agreed to carry. |
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Last Parade
One of the Brightest Stars
join:2002-10-07
Port Colborne, ON | reply to ISP_Worker
I'm downloading torrents at 508.1 KB/sec and uploading at my forced cap, 40 KB/sec. |
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Bellundo
@teksavvy.com | Maybe hamilton isn't considered a major city and you better hope that never changes. |
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jfmezei
Premium
join:2007-01-03
Beaconsfield, QC
 ·ELECTRONICBOX
| reply to ISP_Worker
Question to the various ISP people who participate here:
Is there any chance that ISPs will get together ASAP and pressure the CRTC to force Bell to stop implementing Sympatico policies on the wholesale data transfers ?
If the ISPs won't do it, how many customers would it take to get the ear of the CRTC to take action ?
In such a case, can we also tell the CRTC the reason they are not seeing ISP complaints is that ISPs are scared of Bell and do not wish to jeoperdise their relationshp with Bell by complaining to the CRTC ? |
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DKS
Damn Kidney Stones
Premium,ExMod 2002
join:2001-03-22
Owen Sound, ON
clubs:
·Bell Sympatico
| said by jfmezei  :If the ISPs won't do it, how many customers would it take to get the ear of the CRTC to take action ? In such a case, can we also tell the CRTC the reason they are not seeing ISP complaints is that ISPs are scared of Bell and do not wish to jeoperdise their relationshp with Bell by complaining to the CRTC ? The CRTC will not touch this. Broadband is not regulated by the CRTC.
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Need-based health care not greed-based health care. |
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andrewhaji
Premium
join:2002-03-02
North York, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to ISP_Worker
I posted this in the TekSavvy thread as well...
At least Bell is consistent. Right at 2 AM my speeds went back to normal, but during the whole afternoon I was bouncing between 30 KB/s and about 100 KB/s. This has to stop. |
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umm hmmm
@videotron.ca
| reply to DKS
said by DKS :The CRTC will not touch this. Broadband is not regulated by the CRTC. It is from the wholesalers side. |
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CanerisErik
Caneris
Premium,VIP
join:2007-10-03
Toronto, ON
| reply to ISP_Worker
According to one poster on the TekSavvy thread, the throttling is done selectively by realm... 
How about all the wholesalers come together and form a new organization providing ISP-independent co-location of aggregation equipment in Bell COs? No need for Bell SLAMs/BASs, just pay for the unbundled loop and have shared DSLAMs, etc. provided by wholesalers for wholesalers. Primus is doing it all on their own for themselves.
One issue would be all the various business models might not be compatible with this... |
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xmz
join:2005-06-09
Canada
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to andrewhaji
I have experienced the exact same thing. This is definitely Bell's method of throttling. I am getting the full speed on a Fedora torrent that was previously only getting up to 30kb/s.
Cross posted in »Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. as well |
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Bicephale
join:2005-09-24
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to ISP_Worker
Hi,
Isn't it possible that cross-talk taking place in the wiring
which spreads over our streets reached a saturation point,
that this saturation is the consequence of having so many
customers on 5+ Kbps profiles doing transfers all day long? |
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jfmezei
Premium
join:2007-01-03
Beaconsfield, QC
·ELECTRONICBOX
| reply to ISP_Worker
PPPoE service is provided under the name "Gateway Access Service" otherwise known as "GAS".
It is tariff approved by the CRTC, numbered 5410
(the non PPPoE (HSA) is 5420).
Bell Canada has a section on its web site which does list all applicable tariffs.
www.bell.ca/tariffs (search for 5410 or Gateway Access Service)
5410 seems to be available at:
»www.bce.ca/en/aboutbce/regulator···20%20%20
This is a .PDF document. Not sure if this is the most current, but this version has seen updates since 5410 was first introduced (for instance addition of dry loop support, and upping of basic speed to 5mbps)
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2. General | 2. Généralités |
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(a) Gateway Access Service (GAS) is a broadband
access service based on Asymmetric Digital Subscriber
Line (ADSL) technology. This service will enable a
service provider to establish a high speed data access
path between its end-user's premises and a Company
serving wire centre. End-user login and password
authentication are established via a “network selection
gateway” which can enable access to multiple destination
networks.
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I am no lawyer, but the document mentions only PPPoE (PPP over ethernet) frame transport between end user and Bell,s customer (aka: ISP). Nowewhere is it mentioned that inside the PPPoE frame, it is expected to be TCPIP packet. In fact, it mentions internet access, LAN extensions
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(e) GAS supports Point to Point Protocol over Ethernet
(PPPoE) across the Company's backbone network.
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This implies that Bell is to carry PPPoE frames between end use and ISP. Again, no mention of TCPIP.
(PPPoE could be used to transport any network such as DECNET, Appletalk, SNA etc, PPP itself is not tied specifically to TCPIP although TCPIp is the most widely used protocol over PPP or PPPoE lines).
Nowhere is it mentioned that Bell reserves the right to "manage" traffic. In fact, in a separate filing from MTS requiring Bell to provide a mean time to repair of 4 hours, Bell argues that GAS is an unmanaged service (Bell offers managed network services with quick repair garantees).
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(e) GAS supports Point to Point Protocol over Ethernet
(PPPoE) across the Company's backbone network.
##
It is thus Bell's responsability to ensure its backbone network can handle the load to provide the 5mbps down and 800kbps up rates that are stipulated in the tariff. |
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mlerner
Premium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON | reply to ISP_Worker
So, if this turns out to be intentional, who's going to be the first to file a complaint with the CRTC? |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | Better to file with the Industry Minister. I'll lay odds that the CRTC will pass it off if left to their own resouces. |
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mlerner
Premium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON | Sad but probably true, when they are supposed to be handing it themselves. Always makes me wonder why we still have them around. |
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anti_competitive
@videotron.ca | reply to sbrook
not only the industry minister but with the competition bureau. This is (could be) an attempt to control and stifle the competition. |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | The competition bureau is under the dept of industry. |
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dcorreia
join:2003-08-08
Mississauga, ON
| reply to Acanac Inc
This has happen to me a few times, 5meg fast path profiles down to 3meg and sometimes even interleave.
said by Acanac Inc :Although we have not yet had any complaints on our end about throttling, Acanac has noticed profiles being lowered when they could support higher speeds. This is happening more and more. This in it's self is a type of throttling. Best Regards, Paul www.acanac.ca |
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Black Moon
join:2005-02-01
Scarborough, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
1 edit | reply to DKS
said by DKS :If the warranty section of the Service Agreement is any indication of what they warrant to resellers, then that's not true. Nothing, including bandwidth, is warranted or guaranteed. In other words, just like when you rent a flat, they'll make sure their arses are covered twenty times over.
What I don't understand is why local loop unbundling is so rare here. In the UK and other places in Europe, local loop unbundling is commonplace and allows ISPs to bypass the incumbent telco. Why is it not done here? Is it cost? Is it something else? |
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Material Change
@videotron.ca
| Accoring to Bell, "Traffic Management" is not a material change in service.
So they may play this card with the wholesalers and tell them nothing has changed.
Ref: »dsl reports blog material change.
hahaha I will laugh if they play this card and tell the wholsaler, there is no problem, we throttled so what. There is no material change in what Bell provides ans sells you.
LOL |
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Bell_Abused
join:2006-10-07
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to ISP_Worker
For those interested,
Dr. Geist's site picked up this news item...
»www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2782/125/
"Bell Secretly Throttling Wholesale Internet Services?" |
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