Re: kaspersky did not detect autorun virus but nod32 did!! in Security http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20193784 en Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:47:24 EDT Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:47:24 EDT Re: kaspersky did not detect autorun virus but nod32 did!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20228432 Oleg : I love NOD32 :)
Infact they have updated database for more autoruns.
Win32/AutoRun.JM, Win32/AutoRun.JN (2), Win32/AutoRun.JO (3), ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20228432 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:41:43 EDT Re: kaspersky did not detect autorun virus but nod32 did!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20228377 anon :
said by jmorlan See Profile :

Seems strange to me for a serious security company to have an invalid certificate.
Try the cert at this website ;

»www.eset.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20228377 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:32:12 EDT Re: kaspersky did not detect autorun virus but nod32 did!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20228114 jmorlan : The other day I was surprised to hear a radio commercial for nod32 from Eset. It looks like they are headed for the big-time. I used to think of them as a niche product, but they seem to have their sights set on main stream businesses.

Looking around for information on their radio promotion, I tried :

»https://www.nod32.ie/

However it seems the certificate is no good. Seems strange to me for a serious security company to have an invalid certificate.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20228114 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:47:54 EDT Re: kaspersky did not detect autorun virus but nod32 did!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20227671 Oleg : Hey people use Norton crap and got tons of infections and with NOD32 maybe one or tow infections.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20227671 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:17:56 EDT Re: kaspersky did not detect autorun virus but nod32 did!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20227045 GuruGuy : Looks like the Wilders ESET fanboys have shown up to talk about their fantastic product.
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said by Wajdi Gary :

yah i'm not using nod32 right now, because it killed the viruses and killed some system files too,
Somehow I find that very hard to believe!

No AV kills system files for no reason. If they did the forums would be flooded with reports.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20219891 Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:09:58 EDT Re: kaspersky did not detect autorun virus but nod32 did!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20219826 anon :
said by GuruGuy See Profile :

I've never seen NOD32 fail to detect anything important enough to bitch about.

Really??? Go to Wilders, the official NOD support forum. There are hundreds of threads there where it doesn't detect something
And how many of those hundreds of threads refer to "something" detected as malicious by another AV that turns out to have been a harmless false alarm? (No need to go to Wilders, you can find examples right here.)

said by GuruGuy See Profile :

and of course, you're asked to submit it password protected and zipped to support. Which usually has the response that it already has been without so much as a response.
Wilders ESET Forum is where NOD32 fanbois do battle with the fanbois of other AVS and anti-NOD32 lamers. 5% useful information and 95% useless crapola IMO.

said by GuruGuy See Profile :

I used NOD for over 6 years. Support sucks, the official forum sucks, and the program sucks after going to Ver 3.
If everything about NOD32 sucks, why did you keep using it for over 6 years? Masochistic?

I went back to using v2.7 and kicked ESET around the forums for months because bugs and instability made the early v3 almost unusable. Now it's stable and vastly improved.

Constructive comments prod vendors into improving their products.

"Everything abut it sucks" comments do nothing except waste bandwidth.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20219826 Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:00:50 EDT Re: kaspersky did not detect autorun virus but nod32 did!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20210419 m0d : .. sry duped.. posting does not work well round here at moment.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20210419 Sun, 23 Mar 2008 00:21:37 EDT Re: kaspersky did not detect autorun virus but nod32 did!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20210414 m0d : Killer Max..

good point .. like this .. in the netcafe scenario you just need something like acronis imaging and backed up to NAS and well .. no matter what happened to you its recoverable within minutes.

That is how the paradigm shifts.. AWAY from "unproven/false" 0-day protection and towards total and easy recoverability ..

Add to this .. dont be dumb and store your credit card on there or personal info .. and well the PC becomes a home appliance like your average microwave. There will be nothing more special about it than that ever again.

That is the "shift" in thinking that I see gaining ground.

And well you can call me wrong to my face in 2020 .. I'll even throw a party for you do to it at :) ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20210414 Sun, 23 Mar 2008 00:19:32 EDT Re: kaspersky did not detect autorun virus but nod32 did!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20206103 anon :
said by Wajdi Gary :

.. now i'm reinstalled all 12 pc's i have in my netcafe..
You are crazy to pay yearly subscriptions for any AV, all of which will be eaten for lunch in a netcafe. Get DeepFreeze for half the cost. It is not for one year, but for the life of the machine. Re-booting is all it takes to erase all changes, including root-kit viruses. I have my public machines programmed to re-boot twice a day.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20206103 Sat, 22 Mar 2008 02:52:27 EDT Re: kaspersky did not detect autorun virus but nod32 did!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20206042 anon : yah i'm not using nod32 right now, because it killed the viruses and killed some system files too, now i'm reinstalled all 12 pc's i have in my netcafe, i'm using original kaspersky now, i thank you guys for replying. hope we can stick together further. laterz..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20206042 Sat, 22 Mar 2008 02:15:52 EDT Re: kaspersky did not detect autorun virus but nod32 did!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20200505 m0d : "I love my VMWare virtual machines but what happens on a virtual machine can very adversely affect the host."

Hi Mele :) .. and that would be my point too .. VM is great .. but not a "magic bullet" .. in the hands of those aware of security issues though? Its far better "recoverability" than we had before.

Here is another tip .. DON'T use VM for malware detection .. unless its custom .. cos that is totally detectable lol :)

I have seen some "host exploits" .. not really tested them .. but they exist for sure. Nothing is perfect.. just a lot better than before for my scenario + the NAS + backups etc :)

Some one "open source a VM" and make us "subscribe" for source code updates we can compile and trust ourselves? .. Now that is a "marketing model that works" :)

But you always back that up with the NAS etc..

VM is a useful tool .. once you understand its limits .. and yes I agree Mele .. host exploits are possible .. so is a very different behaviour by any malware that detected its in a VM "sandbox".

Also .. for me .. the host? can be nuked tomorrow .. like what if that comp died of hardware failure .. that is why I move to VMs for dev.. I can work on regardless.. For example I have some hardware failure? Blah .. I spent so many hrs on this .. and LOL .. VM = my solution :)

For some scenarios? VM has clear value .. just yeah .. backup to NAS too .. "layered" is old but works :)

Interesting discussion though .. probably the most interesting one I have see here in a while .. so thumbs up to all :)

What interests me is that I think 0-day is like DEAD.. and no longer a threat .. if you do this right.. I wont care if my OS is hosed.. or my comp had hardware failure.. and that to me is worth looking into :)

So the AV wars are over .. and replaced with "VM Wars" LOL :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20200505 Fri, 21 Mar 2008 02:31:54 EDT Re: kaspersky did not detect autorun virus but nod32 did!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20200490 Mele20 :
said by m0d See Profile :

VMWare is up there in my ranking yes.. but there are others that deserve credit too :). the product we should "buy and we are good for life" = VM .. lets give the marketing dept something to work with :)
I love my VMWare virtual machines but what happens on a virtual machine can very adversely affect the host. It is neat that you can take the virtual machine and run it on quite different hardware from the hardware where it was created. But being able to do that, and being able to run virtual machines in general, does not mean that problems on the virtual machine will necessarily be isolated to the VM. VM's are great but they are not paneceas.
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Accept this .. NO AV will be perfect vs 0-day.. that is the point. Lets name one .. any one .. nothing is perfect.. so you take other steps.. to protect what really matters .. like the stuff you work on!

Add a terabyte raid mirrored NAS to that + regular backups .. and I doubt anyone needs to worry about "undetected 0-day" threats.. which was the point of OP. Personally .. I don't sweat about it.

.. the product we should "buy and we are good for life" = VM .. lets give the marketing dept something to work with :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20200230 Fri, 21 Mar 2008 01:00:36 EDT Re: kaspersky did not detect autorun virus but nod32 did!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20200222 Bubba1 :
said by m0d See Profile :

Virtualisation is the future ..
VMWare? .. not to change the subject.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20200222 Fri, 21 Mar 2008 00:58:11 EDT Re: kaspersky did not detect autorun virus but nod32 did!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20200193 m0d : And after 2 years of promising myself I would do it .. I have a 6GB VM of my main dev environment...

1) no more hardware failures that cost me dev time
2) I wont care what AV misses what (rare concern for me)
3) up and running in minutes on totally different hardware..
4) not just "backed up" but ready to "hit the ground running".

No one AV catches all or could be realistically expected to either .. that is a "marketing myth" .. "buy this product and your good for life".. they would like to sell it that way .. in practice it does not work.

Virtualisation is the future .. for development at least .. not so much maybe for malware testing.. unless its a custom VM and TOTALLY undetectable to the malware :)

Back to topic..

I really don't think people should measure AVs in terms of 0-day.. Its a turkey shoot .. one will win one week .. another next .. it does not mean all are not totally compent and add some safe hex and you are fine.

Personally what I cant stand is when the "solution" / "protection" is worse than the "problem". Some AVs and or firewalls just do not behave well .. and better they were not so widely known... That is the power of marketing for you. That also creates the fanboi problem.

As a dev I must always REMIND myself .. the customer is NOT MAD .. there is a reason for this (however rare) and well its DOWN TO ME .. to RECREATE his issue.. NOT down to him to like PROVE to me.. there is a problem ..

So yeah .. take care .. no AV/Firewall is bullet proof.

My words of advice to ALL vendors would be:

1) The customer is ALWAYS right.. the "perceived problem" is probably re-creatable.. if you put enough time into it.

2) We do not expect "perfection" .. but hmm fire your Marketing Dept..

3) Everything is a work in progress .. and what was true yesterday is not necessarily true today. But when your caught out? You gain more respect for admitting that.

This was a "vendor independent" post :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20200193 Fri, 21 Mar 2008 00:49:20 EDT Re: kaspersky did not detect autorun virus but nod32 did!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20199584 tempnexus : I must admit that GuruGuy is partially right.
I never fully trust any security Solution and I for hell don't trust NOD32, it has missed more strains on my test box then I can count (nothing gets them all, but the ratio of misses is increasing with the current new malware). The only reason I use it on my box is due to it's low resource impact (I am still using 2.7). However I supplement it with weekly scans of KAV, BIT, SAS and Outpost Firewall scan.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20199584 Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:50:48 EDT Re: kaspersky did not detect autorun virus but nod32 did!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20199190 Bubba1 : You really need to overcome that shyness.

Just go ahead and tell us what you really think .. ok? ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20199190 Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:56:58 EDT Re: kaspersky did not detect autorun virus but nod32 did!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20199026 GuruGuy : I've never seen NOD32 fail to detect anything important enough to bitch about.

Really??? Go to Wilders, the official NOD support forum. There are hundreds of threads there where it doesn't detect something and of course, you're asked to submit it password protected and zipped to support. Which usually has the response that it already has been without so much as a response.

I used NOD for over 6 years. Support sucks, the official forum sucks, and the program sucks after going to Ver 3.
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said by wajdi gary :

hi i was using the original kaspersky to delete autorun virus that closing my yahoo messenger and slowing my pc, but kaspersky did not detected and its too slow on scanning, but i installed nod32 and scanned with it gosh it detected all! after restarting my pc became faster! by the way i updated the both antivirus's before scanning, thanks to nod32. WOW :)
Don't get too excited about it Gary. :)

More often than not, NOD32 is first with detection of new malware (the anti-ESET gang will scream in protest, but the proof is in independent historical statistics) but there are no certainties. NOD32 misses a few new ones, but as a general rule of thumb, everything else misses more. Sometimes Kaspersky is first. Sometimes Norton is first. Sometimes Trend is first. Nobody is first every time.

I've used NOD32 for years but I'm a long way from being a fanboi. I gave ESET a rough ride for months over v3 and ESS, but my problems were with program bugs and slow fixes, not detection. I've never seen NOD32 fail to detect anything important enough to bitch about.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20193784 Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:33:02 EDT Re: kaspersky did not detect autorun virus but nod32 did!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20186071 Mem : Trojan Win32.Hider.I was in the sigs on Feb 14, 2007 for Kaspersky
»www.viruslist.com/en/viruses/enc···d=151779

Maybe a different one or just that Kaspersky doesn't check a flash drive?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20186071 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:17:30 EDT Re: kaspersky did not detect autorun virus but nod32 did!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20184779 Cudni : Thanks. No mention of Kaspersky not being able to detect it

Cudni]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20184779 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:21:26 EDT Re: kaspersky did not detect autorun virus but nod32 did!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20184621 Oleg : Here is all about it: »muneeronline.blogspot.com/2007/0···jan.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20184621 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:52:15 EDT Re: kaspersky did not detect autorun virus but nod32 did!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20183655 Cudni : and what was the name the Nod32 gave to malware and what was the file or files it was found in?

Cudni]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20183655 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:44:21 EDT Re: kaspersky did not detect autorun virus but nod32 did!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20183468 tempnexus : And Vice-Versa on another case then Vice-Versa on yet another case back and forth.

Somtimes NOD32 gets lucky somtimes KAV...Hence the need to multi-layered protection and a schedule once every week to few weeks free Online AV scan to supplement your scan.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20183468 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 07:26:55 EDT kaspersky did not detect autorun virus but nod32 did!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20183344 anon : hi i was using the original kaspersky to delete autorun virus that closing my yahoo messenger and slowing my pc, but kaspersky did not detected and its too slow on scanning, but i installed nod32 and scanned with it gosh it detected all! after restarting my pc became faster! by the way i updated the both antivirus's before scanning, thanks to nod32. WOW :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20183344 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 06:04:20 EDT