Re: C,C,better be careful about pushing in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20196734 en Wed, 09 Dec 2009 06:00:14 EDT Wed, 09 Dec 2009 06:00:14 EDT Re: C,C,better be careful about pushing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20198178 espaeth : That's a completely different situation.

In the case of SouthWest there were very specific safety regulations on the books that they violated and they solicited the help of their federal oversight officials to attempt to cover it up.

For Comcast, there is an open ended policy statement that describes the general theme for future broadband policy from the FCC. It's about as general as the "first, do no harm" mantra you hear in the medical profession, but more specific regulation was created so that the use of a scalpel for necessary medical procedures is allowed. (as on the surface, making incisions into the body could be perceived as "doing harm")]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20198178 Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:05:20 EDT Re: C,C,better be careful about pushing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20197783 whocares :
said by espaeth See Profile :

said by whocares See Profile :

since WHEN does or can a private company dictate over how a gov't agency is run.
Did lobbying disappear while I was sleeping?
This is like the airlines or ALPA telling the FAA how we are going to 'skip" the rules until we get ready to fix a problem,and we can all see or have heard what SWA is going through when they "tried" to do this

the FCC need to also come down HARD on reguardless if its castrate,(ie comecast)dish, or dtv,
the FCC needs to come down fast & hard,or its going to loose what little authority it has now,
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said by whocares See Profile :

since WHEN does or can a private company dictate over how a gov't agency is run.
Did lobbying disappear while I was sleeping?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20197402 Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:42:45 EDT Re: C,C,better be careful about pushing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20197248 RadioDoc : Welcome to my hell. I am dealing with them every day...
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said by RadioDoc See Profile :

He was being ironic. I'm pretty sure he (and anyone else who actually deals with the FCC) knew that already. The 'merger' happened awhile ago when cable was deregulated.
Thanks. I must have missed his smiley :) -- a person as dense as I am sometimes needs a clue.

My last dealing with the FCC was the renewal of the ham license I hardly use anymore...
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"We don't throttle any traffic," -Charlie Douglas, Comcast spokesman, on this report.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20197241 Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:16:27 EDT Re: C,C,better be careful about pushing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20197218 TIGERON : Thank you.

History has a way of repeating itself all over again as with the railroad monopolies of the 19th century and MA Bell of the 20th. They too were broken up. Comcasts' days of continuing to get away with murder is nearing an end.

»www.gilbertrandolph.com/about-news-64.html

This is already spreading to several states and many angry former subscribers are about to get even.

WATCH DAVID COHEN, BRIAN ROBERTS AND THE REST OF THE COMCAST BIG WIGS BE TAUGHT A LESSON AND BE BROUGHT BACK DOWN TO EARTH.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20197218 Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:12:11 EDT Re: C,C,better be careful about pushing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20197216 RadioDoc : He was being ironic. I'm pretty sure he (and anyone else who actually deals with the FCC) knew that already. The 'merger' happened awhile ago when cable was deregulated.
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Throwing my own bias aside for a moment, let's assume you are right. The FCC sends Comcast a "Notice of Apparent Liability" (a fine) and Comcast fights and "wins."

1. The legislation required to give the FCC such power is sure to be passed, OR

2. The next time Comcast wants anything at all that requires approval, the FCC can use this example in demonstration of lack of cooperation, poor history of disclosure, bad-faith bargaining, anti-competitive behavior -- etc., OR

3. Both

Comcast should just reverse itself now and admit wrongdoing. This is what Verizon did with the NARAL codes, and it is very clear that the FCC and the public both are going to give that incident a pass.
No, Comcast does not have a snowball's chance in hell until either (a) Martin is gone or (2)They change their name to VerizATTcast and have their primary business changed from cable to telephony. Then, as Verizon & ATT have shown, they will have carte blanc to do as they please without any FCC interferance. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20197172 Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:06:13 EDT Re: C,C,better be careful about pushing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20197158 funchords :
said by JSRoman See Profile :

said by RadioDoc See Profile :

said by qworster See Profile :

There's an entire division of the FCC just FOR cable! have you ever heard of the cable bureau? Obviously not...
Nobody has heard of the FCC "cable bureau" because there isn't one.

There is the Video Division of the Media Bureau which handles Cable TV. But that certainly is not their only responsibility.
Too funny. Some things just write themeselves.

WRONG!!!

Don't show your ignorance by stating things you know nothing about!
The Mass Media Bureau and Cable Bureau have merged to become simply the "Media Bureau."
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"We don't throttle any traffic," -Charlie Douglas, Comcast spokesman, on this report.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20197158 Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:03:52 EDT Re: C,C,better be careful about pushing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20197111 funchords :
said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

Comcast isn't a broadcaster like ABC, NBC, KYW, WPVI, etc. They don't have a LICENSE from the FCC that can be suspended.
Yes, they do have FCC licenses, but I haven't researched what they cover and whether/if/how they might be in play in this case.

»www.fcc.gov/mb/attcomcast/ -- the licenses are enumerated in the Order. I'm sure there are more.

said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

What power the FCC has comes from the Congress when they deregulated cable TV. The power is relatively limited. And when a cable company hasn't liked what the FCC is doing they went to Federal court and won.

So, the FCC is pretty much a toothless tiger unless & until Congress passes new laws that changes that.
Throwing my own bias aside for a moment, let's assume you are right. The FCC sends Comcast a "Notice of Apparent Liability" (a fine) and Comcast fights and "wins."

1. The legislation required to give the FCC such power is sure to be passed, OR

2. The next time Comcast wants anything at all that requires approval, the FCC can use this example in demonstration of lack of cooperation, poor history of disclosure, bad-faith bargaining, anti-competitive behavior -- etc., OR

3. Both

Comcast should just reverse itself now and admit wrongdoing. This is what Verizon did with the NARAL codes, and it is very clear that the FCC and the public both are going to give that incident a pass.
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"We don't throttle any traffic," -Charlie Douglas, Comcast spokesman, on this report.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20197111 Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:57:39 EDT Re: C,C,better be careful about pushing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20197098 JSRoman :
said by RadioDoc See Profile :

said by qworster See Profile :

There's an entire division of the FCC just FOR cable! have you ever heard of the cable bureau? Obviously not...
Nobody has heard of the FCC "cable bureau" because there isn't one.

There is the Video Division of the Media Bureau which handles Cable TV. But that certainly is not their only responsibility.
Too funny. Some things just write themeselves.

WRONG!!!

Don't show your ignorance by stating things you know nothing about!
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said by qworster See Profile :

There's an entire division of the FCC just FOR cable! have you ever heard of the cable bureau? Obviously not...
Nobody has heard of the FCC "cable bureau" because there isn't one.

There is the Video Division of the Media Bureau which handles Cable TV. But that certainly is not their only responsibility.
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said by qworster See Profile :

said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

said by whocares See Profile :

the F.C.C. is the authority that hold the licence of each station in its power,they can suspend or at make it very hard on comcast
Comcast isn't a broadcaster like ABC, NBC, KYW, WPVI, etc. They don't have a LICENSE from the FCC that can be suspended. What power the FCC has comes from the Congress when they deregulated cable TV. The power is relatively limited. And when a cable company hasn't liked what the FCC is doing they went to Federal court and won.

So, the FCC is pretty much a toothless tiger unless & until Congress passes new laws that changes that.
WRONG!!!

Don't show your ignorance by stating things you know nothing about! Congress specifically GAVE the FCC the power to regulate cable. There's an entire division of the FCC just FOR cable! have you ever heard of the cable bureau? Obviously not...
So they have a bureau that deals with cable companies. So what!! Their power is very limited and when they have exercised it, they got slapped down in court.
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

said by whocares See Profile :

the F.C.C. is the authority that hold the licence of each station in its power,they can suspend or at make it very hard on comcast
Comcast isn't a broadcaster like ABC, NBC, KYW, WPVI, etc. They don't have a LICENSE from the FCC that can be suspended. What power the FCC has comes from the Congress when they deregulated cable TV. The power is relatively limited. And when a cable company hasn't liked what the FCC is doing they went to Federal court and won.

So, the FCC is pretty much a toothless tiger unless & until Congress passes new laws that changes that.
WRONG!!!

Don't show your ignorance by stating things you know nothing about! Congress specifically GAVE the FCC the power to regulate cable. There's an entire division of the FCC just FOR cable! have you ever heard of the cable bureau? Obviously not... ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20196840 Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:18:19 EDT Re: C,C,better be careful about pushing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20196795 tshirt :
said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

So, the FCC is pretty much a toothless tiger unless & until Congress passes new laws that changes that.
Correct, the FTC would be the one to deal with unfairtrade practices , if any.
Even if the FCC had authority, gov't agencies can't respond in a vindictive manner. So what if CC was rude, as long as they didn't fail to respond to a legal request/order the FCC would be unable to punish them just for being rude.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20196795 Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:10:47 EDT Re: C,C,better be careful about pushing http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20196734 TKJunkMail :
said by whocares See Profile :

the F.C.C. is the authority that hold the licence of each station in its power,they can suspend or at make it very hard on comcast
Comcast isn't a broadcaster like ABC, NBC, KYW, WPVI, etc. They don't have a LICENSE from the FCC that can be suspended. What power the FCC has comes from the Congress when they deregulated cable TV. The power is relatively limited. And when a cable company hasn't liked what the FCC is doing they went to Federal court and won.

So, the FCC is pretty much a toothless tiger unless & until Congress passes new laws that changes that.
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Weather the F.C.C. does or doesn't have the authority, Castrate, (I mean comcast) had better step gently, the F.C.C. is the authority that hold the licence of each station in its power,they can suspend or at make it very hard on comcast,and since WHEN does or can a private company dictate over how a gov't agency is run.
maybe the F.C.C. need to know Comcast back down a peg or 2.
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