"Technology is agnostic, but... [some] traffic is pirated." in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20197039 en Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:16:59 EDT Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:16:59 EDT Re: "Technology is agnostic, but... [some] traffic is pirated." http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20198505 funchords :
said by Karl Bode See Profile :

They've already convinced much of the public that the desire for a content & device agnostic network is the mad ramblings of a bunch of cyber-hippies...
Yesterday
We made friendships here and far away,
Greed and power brought our judgment day,
Oh, I believe in yesterday.

Suddenly,
There weren't half the sites there used to be,
Deep Inspection hanging over me.
Oh, yesterday came suddenly!

Why'd they cut my flow?
Now it's slow. But they just say,
"You'll do something wrong!"
How I long for yesterday!

Yesterday,
We built networks for both work and play!
Then the bullies took it all away.
Oh, I believe in yesterday.

When they dimmed the dawn,
Progress gone! So now they say,
"Tune in, See what's on!"
How I long for yesterday!

Yesterday
Iron walls could not keep friends away,
World-wide networks gave each man a say,
Oh, I believe in yesterday.

by Robb Topolski, a cyber-hippie. Inspired by and dedicated to Karl at DSLReports. Parody of McCartney lyrics to the Beatles hit Yesterday, which has several paradoxical links: including reflection, the 1960s, breaking-up, best (songs/inventions) of 20th century, etc.

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"We don't throttle any traffic," -Charlie Douglas, Comcast spokesman, on this report.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20198505 Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:01:15 EDT Re: "Technology is agnostic, but... [some] traffic is pirated." http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20198297 TScheisskopf : I have an operating philosophy, or, if you will, an understanding of the relationship between business and society:

Sociopathy is The New Black. It is the fashion of the times in executive suites and boardrooms across the nation. Your actions, and their negative effect on the larger society they affect, mean nothing other than if they make money, or appear to try. Even if you tank the company or hell, even the economy, you will be richly rewarded. You can be The New Living Embodiment of Incompetance and run the company or country into the ground and the richest rewards will be yours on the way out the door.

It's a sociopath's masturbatory fantasy.

Now, they have turned their sensed lack of accountability, on any level, towards government. Why? Because they feel the time is right. The last 7+ years of moribund and gutted regulatory framework has taught them that they live and work in a Crowleyan/Randian Paradise where little or nothing is forbidden and there is no accountability for The Elite. Which is them. Just ask them.

They forget the lessons of history: the lay of the regulatory landscape is like a pendulum in nature. Push that pendulum real far, and it will swing just that far on its next oscillation. Push it on the way back, and it will go even farther. They seem to be ignoring the fact that already there are voices in the business community, in the markets...hell, even The Secretary of The Treasury, calling for new and tough regulations on business, markets and much more. It's a growing trend.

Gross irresponsibility will do that. Gross irresponsibility with a soucon' of sociopathy will really do that.

They sowed the wind. Now they are on the thin cusp of reaping the whirlwind. I will shed no tears for them.

I will, however, gleefully piss on their graves.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20198297 Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:25:46 EDT Re: "Technology is agnostic, but... [some] traffic is pirated." http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20197855 funchords :
said by RadioDoc See Profile :

One thing a responsible management in a regulated industry doesn't do is start taunting the head of the regulatory serpent without knowing what the tail is up to. The FCC has very real legal teeth and the ability to make life miserable via Congress.
Thank goodness that Comcast's management isn't responsible. Their antics are quite entertaining (and for free!!)! :D
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"We don't throttle any traffic," -Charlie Douglas, Comcast spokesman, on this report.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20197855 Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:03:47 EDT Re: "Technology is agnostic, but... [some] traffic is pirated." http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20197852 Karl Bode :
quote:
The ISP is supposed to connect the end-user to the Internet Cloud and charge for said transit. If the ISP decides to inspect your packets to ensure you're not violating the copyrights and distribution rights of his Cable TV or its media partners, then your right to privacy is infringed.
I see this as inevitable with the continued consolidation and our pay-to-play Congress. When you look at this statement and Verizon & AT&T's participation in the P4P project (which accelerates "legit" P2P while leaving "evil" P2P intact) it's inevitable that the entertainment industry gets what they want.

They've got more money and a louder bullhorn than you. They've already convinced much of the public that the desire for a content & device agnostic network is the mad ramblings of a bunch of cyber-hippies...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20197852 Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:03:15 EDT Re: "Technology is agnostic, but... [some] traffic is pirated." http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20197823 Karl Bode : There were heavy rumors they were either bidding in the 700Mhz auction or preparing for a move to buy a wireless carrier (both untrue). Investors also tend to be only marginally bright, and they're all terrified of Verizon's press release to the home, even if Verizon only intends to build FiOS out to 40% of their network (which actually leaves cable ops in a pretty nice position)...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20197823 Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:56:18 EDT Re: "Technology is agnostic, but... [some] traffic is pirated." http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20197754 TScheisskopf : Lawdy, that is some pitiful performance. Since I do not follow their stock, I had no idea they were treading such water, even though they are said to be sitting on the proverbial "mountain of cash". Why the downward pressure? Surely they cannot be spending that much on infrastructure upgrades, at least out in copperland. What's the story here?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20197754 Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:43:17 EDT Re: "Technology is agnostic, but... [some] traffic is pirated." http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20197448 RadioDoc : One thing a responsible management in a regulated industry doesn't do is start taunting the head of the regulatory serpent without knowing what the tail is up to. The FCC has very real legal teeth and the ability to make life miserable via Congress.

And with a potential shift in focus from industry to consumer issues at the FCC, along with the economy sputtering out in an election year, this is not a good time for corporate grandstanding. It is far too likely to attract the attention of a publicity-seeking Congress critter who will side with the FCC and do his own grandstanding in Congress. That's pretty much how we got to this point in the first place.

As an aside, Comcast seems to be the more vocal probably due to their mediocre stock performance. Almost all of this is aimed at keeping the major stakeholders off the porch, and probably with good cause. AT&T hasn't been lighting up the night either but they've done a lot better than Comcast has in the last 5 years.

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That's got to have a lot of bearing on the current flailing about.

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20197448 Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:49:04 EDT Re: "Technology is agnostic, but... [some] traffic is pirated." http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20197356 TScheisskopf : Bingo. Give that man a ceegar. A Romeo Y Julieta.

With their entry into telephony, and telecom's entry into TV delivery, and with their use of public rights of way to effect their delivery of services, it is well past time to make them ALL common carriers, with all the rights and responsibilities that come with being one.

It is quite apparent that Comcast, with their apparent and attempted slapdown of the FCC, has gotten way too big for its britches, considering itself to be breathing the air of some super-legal heaven. That is not likely.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20197356 Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:35:13 EDT Re: "Technology is agnostic, but... [some] traffic is pirated." http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20197191 RadioDoc : The farther this goes, the more Internet access screams for common carrier status.

And when you start to see all of the industry interests lining up and mouthing the same lines you know they are working overtime to hide the elephant in the room. The elephant they don't want anyone to notice.

The elephant that is their continuing lie.
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said by NCTA President :

"Technology is agnostic, but it is plainly the case that some significant percentage of the peer-to-peer traffic is pirated material."
--Kyle McSlarrow, president of the National Cable and Telecommunications Association
AND WITH THAT LINE, he adds another reason that Cable TV companies should NOT be allowed to inspect and then discriminate on traffic at their whim.

The ISP is supposed to connect the end-user to the Internet Cloud and charge for said transit. If the ISP decides to inspect your packets to ensure you're not violating the copyrights and distribution rights of his Cable TV or its media partners, then your right to privacy is infringed.

Furthermore, we've already seen the collateral damage. Due to such inspection and "management," the Associated Press could not upload the King James Version of the Holy Bible (which has no copyright interest as it is in the Public Domain).

Way to go, NCTA! Thank you for making our point for us!

Robb Topolski
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"We don't throttle any traffic," -Charlie Douglas, Comcast spokesman, on this report.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20197039 Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:47:15 EDT