ptrowski
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Here comes the analogies of "if you leave your front door of your house wide open" and the "if you have your car door open with the keys in it"..... |
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jonnyb
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| said by ptrowski  :Here comes the analogies of "if you leave your front door of your house wide open" and the "if you have your car door open with the keys in it"..... Everyone knows that if you see a car with the keys in it and the door is open you have to steal it come on that is a no brain-er for sure.  |
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Mike D
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said by ptrowski :Here comes the analogies of "if you leave your front door of your house wide open" and the "if you have your car door open with the keys in it"..... I'm pretty sure that in some states it's illegal to leave your car running unattanded.
I feel this way, yeah just because you leave your keys in your car or your front door wide open doesn't mean your stuff should be stolen. However, lets face it the real world isn't roses and puppy dog tails, there are criminals in the world any person with half a brain knows this. So if you're stupid enough to intice them then you are partially responsible for whatever happens.
Lock up your car, your home, and your wi-fi! 
Just my .02
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gateguy
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And because she was wearing a low cut dress, she was asking for it. |
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TamaraB
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said by jonnyb : ... Everyone knows that if you see a car with the keys in it and the door is open you .... Simplistic! Not at all the analogy. More accurate analogy is: You see a car with the door open, keys in the ignition, and a sign advertising "come drive this car for free". Getting into the car and taking it for a spin would be legal. same-same here.
If you advertise that the connection is free, by transmitting an ssid, and being totally open, you are willfully, and legally, inviting free access, and there is no crime involved if I take you up on your offer.
Bob
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jester121
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| That's a stretch. If you change your SSID to something like "freewifi" then you're inviting free access.
An average person with average technical knowledge doesn't know anything about wifi security, they expect to plug in and surf, and they have an expectation of privacy. |
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TamaraB
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| said by jester121 :That's a stretch. .... No stretch at all! I run a free and totally open wifi AP, so people here at the Marina can use my connection. It's the neighborly thing to do at a Marina. Use of my connection does NOT constitute theft, but rather authorized access. There ARE legitimate reasons for running an open AP by invitation (SSID transmitted, no security). If someone accepts my invite, it is not a crime.
How would it be a crime to use someone else's open by invite network, and no crime to use mine?
EDIT: doesn't know anything about wifi security... IGNORANCE does not a crime make!
Bob
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Mike D
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said by gateguy :And because she was wearing a low cut dress, she was asking for it. I think that analogy is apples to oranges. Your analogy would fit more along the lines of...if you drive a mercedes through a bad neighborhood you deserve to be car jacked. Obviously you don't. However if you leave your Mercedes running and unattended in a bad neighborhood and it gets stolen well than you're an idiot and should be held partially responsible.
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Tamara, I do agree with you about the neighborly thing to do around the marina, or anywhere else for that matter. About the only thing I can see behind all this is the ISP's wanting to extract every drop of revenue. So if someone is accepting your invitation, the ISP is for the moment NOT seeing additional revenue from that person.
In other words, rewind time back to Ross Perot's run for the presidency. What were the 3 words he always used? "Follow the money." You do that, you will see where the lawsuits are being funded from.
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jester121
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Why so argumentative Bob?
I'm saying that someone using your intentionally shared marina wifi would NOT be breaking the law.
But just because someone's SSID is linksys doesn't mean they're offering to share their connection with anyone in the neighborhood. Mooching off of that connection could land someone in hot water. |
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TamaraB
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| said by jester121 :Why so argumentative Bob? Sorry if I sounded that way.
... intentionally shared marina wifi would NOT be breaking the law. Right! But why isn't it illegal? The key issue here is how do they know that I am intentionally sharing the connection? Answer? It's open, no password, no challenge, I advertise an SSID, and I assign a rout-able address via dhcp, I assign a default router, and supply DNS server IPs. There is no other way to know.
If you connect unchallenged, are not asked for any credentials, and are not greeted with some warning about "use", then it is an invitation to use. Pretty clear to me.
... But just because someone's SSID is linksys doesn't mean they're offering to share their connection...
True, the SSID in and of itself is really meaningless in this context. The fact that it is advertised, and that the connection voluntarily DHCP connects to the net without any credentials required is what gives the user permission to continue legally.
Why is this so different from the rest of life? If you are driving and see a turn-off, it's legal to turn UNLESS there is a sign saying DO NOT ENTER or there is a gate restricting access..
Bob
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said by gateguy :And because she was wearing a low cut dress, she was asking for it. No! But if she were walking down the street naked, with a sign on her back saying "free sex", no one would be accused of rape if they took her up on her offer. Right? Or is this suddenly the land of OZ????
Oh.... this IS the land of OZ, the land of WindOZ! There sir, is the root of this entire non-issue!
Bob
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