Beavers
@bell.ca | reply to DownWithShaping
Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition
If I remember correctly, the commercial (with the beavers) said it's always fast. False advertising anyone? |
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EvilElf
join:2000-08-01
Mississauga, ON | I don't think they use this line anymore.... fast at night is more like it if u download. |
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razx
join:2008-09-23
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This traffic shaping is not justified. Bell is not a company selling potatoes, its a Telecommunication company and a big one. Its their responsibility to keep their system up to date and forecast the demand and upgrade accordingly. They make profit on every payment they receive and hence if they were such a good company, they would have anticipated high volume and upgraded their system.
There are other solutions to p2p networking than just shaping. A smart company would invest in making p2p more efficient than just blocking traffic. |
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julienvf
join:2008-12-30
Verdun, QC | reply to DownWithShaping
Die bell die! |
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bell_shiit
join:2009-03-19
North York, ON | reply to DownWithShaping
I am in.
STOP, my name say's it all |
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the Goal
@videotron.ca
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My first post in this topic (basically because the rule was "must post anon with a Bell host").
So now a year or so has passed and its getting worse with UBB tossed in.
Has this "Unofficial petition" reached its end and goal?
Will there be a new UBB "Unofficial petition" on top of this one? |
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Twistian37
join:2004-02-21
L'Assomption, QC | reply to DownWithShaping
No to traffic shaping enough is enough |
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shaw
tna live
join:2009-03-18
Union Bay, BC | Whats traffic shapping? |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| said by shaw  :Whats traffic shapping? As a shaw user, you should know ... but also known as throttling. Bell's practice doesn't apply to you, of course, since it's Ontario and Quebec's version of Telus and doesn't provide DSL service to BC |
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Stentor Internet
@shawcable.net | What company are you revering to I know of one with a backbone to conneticut. |
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shaw
tna live
join:2009-03-18
Union Bay, BC | I think its a problem with torrento.to.to.to.to.to.toronto.torrento.to.to.to. |
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dizzy1
join:2009-04-13
Grimsby, ON | reply to DownWithShaping
bell is evil. they are throttling legal use of bittorent to get my Linux live gaming cds. with no copyrighted games on them. Shame on bell. |
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maelharris
join:2006-12-29
Guelph, ON | reply to DownWithShaping
I am fed up with paying 50$/month for a 7Mbps line that deliveries less satisfactory results than a 1.5Mbps line.
Bell is a rip off and I rarely get what I pay for. STOP THROTTLING MY CONNECTION! Greedy corporate pigs!!!!! |
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BellLoveFest
@teksavvy.com
| said by maelharris :I am fed up with paying 50$/month for a 7Mbps line that deliveries less satisfactory results than a 1.5Mbps line. Bell is a rip off and I rarely get what I pay for. STOP THROTTLING MY CONNECTION! Greedy corporate pigs!!!!! Then stop being Bell's Cash Cow, and jump ship.
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unap
join:2009-04-15
1 edit | reply to razx
said by razx :This traffic shaping is not justified. Bell is not a company selling potatoes, its a Telecommunication company and a big one. Its their responsibility to keep their system up to date and forecast the demand and upgrade accordingly. They make profit on every payment they receive and hence if they were such a good company, they would have anticipated high volume and upgraded their system. There are other solutions to p2p networking than just shaping. A smart company would invest in making p2p more efficient than just blocking traffic. I am in full agreement with you.
Is this lack of foresight expected from a company as large as bell? No. I don't think it is anything beyond:
1. Extracting even larger profits
2. Trying to monopolize the regulations to make the customers' choice of any ISP besides Bell irrelevant.
I started out with Teksavvy from December after leaving Bell's service for good. Now I find Bell being big bully who is looking to force everyone into submission.
And to be honest, Bell isn't the only one to be blame for this immoral act. We are. Had we kept its power in check it then perhaps it would have had a bit less power in our so called democratic society.
This is communism on the plane of ISPs in capitalist nation where the man with the biggest bank balance decides the rules for the rest to follow.
Shame. |
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phllb
join:2007-01-06
Owen Sound, ON
 ·Bell Sympatico
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Sbrook, although I value your opinion and your sense of fair play especially when it comes to arguments surrounding Bell, the culture in Canada that has become apparent with companies like Bell who promise much but don't actually deliver on all that they promise but still continue to charge the maximum, is something that Canadians should be ashamed of.
You say quite rightly that the speeds in Europe are not all good that is true but that is not the point. In the UK which it has to be said is a much smaller country and does not have the same infrastructure issues, internet companies have much more competition than exists here and that is key to the reasons why the speeds are so much higher and throttling or traffic shaping is not an issue as it is here.
Every network manager in the UK has a public duty not just to their own customers but to all internet customers to prevent or curtail abuses of the bandwidth, but when the average customer has a 7.0 meg service and now 16 megs is becoming standard, then traffic management is less sensitive as most users are getting what they paid for and if there is any variance in service, a user would be notified properly of the reasons why.
Here, when most Bell customers struggle to get a reliable 3 meg service let alone anything higher, then traffic shaping especially when the reasons are not clear as to why it is going on, really does stick in the throat and for 50 bucks a month I have an expectation sorely misplaced that I am going to get what I paid for!
If Bell stood up and said we need and are going to do a better job with our infrastructure and if they said they could improve the service speed wise and in it's reliability, then traffic shaping would become less of an issue than it is for most users would then be getting what they paid for and would be less likely to have to complain.
From what I can see in Canada so far, I am not going to hold my breath! |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| In Britain, you have to remember that they are subject to EU competition rules which are MUCH stricter than here in Canada which improves the competitive landscape far more. Our incumbents have far too much power. Look at FIDO ... bought out by Rogers. They buy the competitors if they can't get them other ways as soon as they become a real threat. The EU also has very much stronger consumer protection legislation.
We were getting what we paid for ... Bell's traffic shaping is all about money. Whether it's managing internal money for the service to their own customers, or charging external ISPs for service to 3rd parties. If you limit the service with traffic shaping, you can sell to more customers without spending to improve the infrastructure on the network, and you don't pay so much in transit bandwith to the internet backbones.
Our ISPs are ripping us off. Our ISPs are essentially unregulated since they get to do what the heck they like. The competition bureau of the dept of industry couldn't give a damn, implying they are supporting a free market. The fact that the carriers are clearly limiting competition is irrelevent. Claims to our provincial consumer protection regulators are met with "Talk to the competition bureau and the CRTC"
Nobody is taking control of these people, so we're getting ripped off. |
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black shadow
join:2006-04-30
Georgetown, ON | reply to DownWithShaping
Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition
Traffic shaping is stealing. Customers do not get what they pay for.
Bells monopoly and abuse of customers must stop. |
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