Jean_22
join:2005-08-27
Quebec, QC | reply to DownWithShaping
Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition
I heard it's because the US converment told them too >_> |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | More like they didn't want to be investigated! |
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batkinson001
join:2006-08-07
Oshawa, ON | reply to DownWithShaping
internet surfing has timed out from time to time, latency in wow is usually 190ms (green), with shaping its 243ms (yellow) or higher (red, and very very laggy).
Oshawa, ON. |
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Shikomu
join:2007-11-16
Ontario | reply to DownWithShaping
Left Sympatico and Bell Phone because of unfair throttling. If they think throttling will help with Congestion my take is 1 less customer will help also. Burlington,Ontario |
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juggy
@bell.ca | who are you using now - i am with bell sympatico and my bitorrent & emule traffic is at a crawl |
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munky99999
Munky
join:2004-04-10
canada
clubs:
| reply to DownWithShaping
Bell is not going to give a hoot about this. As sbrook says.
What is going to result is Bell getting forced to allow competition. Meaning teksavvy. So no petition is necessary.
The free market will eliminate bell from their refusal to deal. Bell will be overrun like Internet Explorer has by firefox. |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| Alas, it's not the free market that will do this, it's regulation. If Microsoft had its way, we wouldn't be able to run FF on its OS ... It's anti-trust judgements that ensure that it cannot. That's not the free market at work, that's necessary regulation of anti-competitive activity! |
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Lambada Dave
join:2007-11-13
Port Hope, ON | reply to DownWithShaping
Bell, please stop throttling us! |
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Verdanice
join:2008-01-03
Etobicoke, ON
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I'm just so glad that they're finally being protested against by more of the public - average users who are furious that the service they're paying for isn't what they're paying for at all. The reseller throttling is, I hope, going to be the ugly death of that excuse of an ISP.
I've just never despised a company more. |
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nemesisff7
join:2006-08-30
Sudbury, ON | reply to DownWithShaping
Having trouble downloading WoW updates and gaming with effectiveness, also downloads seem to be screwed up now
From Sudbury Ontario Canada
I Sign |
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Shed the Crapola
@bell.ca
|  reply to DownWithShaping
It's this simple for me...
I've been lied to... I feel cheated and I've had enough abuse.
My household has been with Bell, In good standing, for close to 50 years now. If things are not resolved to my satisfaction by the end of my current internet contract... I will leave Bell regardless of price. I will not give my money to a Corp. I just can't trust. Further I will be taking my land line too... It's the only and most effective way to make yourself heard....! Bell has no capacity when it comes to serving their customers. You just can't replace customers needs with a couple of stinking beavers. Bell your giving beavers a bad name..!!! Single side open ended contracts are a way to cheat customers and therefore unacceptable. Bell may be a determined dinosaur plodding it's way to extinction but I'll be keeping my money and rejecting that ride....  |
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TigerLord
Resident Pentaxian
Premium,Mod
join:2002-06-09
Montreal | reply to DownWithShaping
Here's to hoping Bell goes bankrupt! |
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Torontoa
@teksavvy.com
| Yes, ISP's should form a class action lawsuit against Bell. I have been considering approaching lawyers myself. This is ridiculous monopolizing and competition elimination. I have switched to Bell, and I am happy I don't pay them anymore.
To everyone reading this, if you ARE currently a Bell Customer, do this, as I have.
#1. Call them, tell them that they have misinformed you and that their fast internet/broadband connection is false, and mention throttling.
#2. Then say you wish to cancel the service.
#3. They will try to offer you a "boost" to your connection.
#4. Reject this, tell them that deal doesn't change the situation.
#5. Then they will offer you 1 month free, to continue evaluating their service.
#6. Reject this. (Or accept, then cancel 1 month later.)
#7. If you reject #5, they will offer you 1 year contract at lower price, at $37/month, compared to say $50 a month.
#8 If you reject this, that's it.
So, abuse their CSR system, get that free month, or if you are paying $50, complain and u will get something.
I myself have canceled completely, totally not interested anymore. I am with TekSavvy now who they have unjustly punished so they make TekSavvy lose customers, and to prevent customers leaving because now "all isp's are throttled, so no point switching".
Not TRUE!.
Switch to TekSavvy, and you will pay about $25/month! Big savings over time.
Also switch to make Bell lose that $30-50/month, and give that money to ISP (any, not just teksavvy, you pick which u like), and make sure that you inform them that you want fast P2P you pay for, and so on. |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
| said by Torontoa :
Also switch to make Bell lose that $30-50/month, and give that money to ISP (any, not just teksavvy, you pick which u like), and make sure that you inform them that you want fast P2P you pay for, and so on.
This has been the bone of contention for me. I would question if Bell actually makes more money through their retail or through the wholesale relationships.
When you consider that yes, Bell is only getting $20ish from us and the retail is getting around $40ish to $50ish, just what is the +/- on it. When you strip things down with the retail side, after the marketing, win-back efforts, collection costs, Internet traffic costs, etc.... Is the bottom line margin better?
With Wholesale clients like TekSavvy:
- "0" Internet traffic costs
- "0" Marketing costs
- "0" Win-back strategies
- "0" Telemarketing costs
- "0" Consumer troubleshooting costs
- Almost no collection costs
- Almost no troubleshooting at Level 3+ costs
- etc...
To add to this... Specially now that we're starting to be able to bundle with things like Local Phone and Long Distance for Bell and with discussions of possible Satellite resale and such.... I would challenge that we likely, specially after bundling, are kicking the retails side in bottom-line income for Bell. I seriously think if the math was done that they would see we're likely more profitable for Bell on the wholesale side then on the Retail side! A thought Mr. Sabia can likely take to the Bank!
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TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc. |
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CanadianIron
join:2006-10-08
Beverly Hills, CA
2 edits | duplicate post |
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Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC | reply to R0CKY
It would be interesting to see Bell completely drop retail DSL sales and move 100% of their DSL business over to wholesalers. It'll never happen, but it would be neat to see how the marketplace would change. |
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Blair Rogers
@bell.ca | reply to DownWithShaping
I will be canceling my Bell service at the end of this month due solely to the traffic shaping.
Thanks,
Blair Rogers |
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KaraokeKid
@bell.ca
| I agree with all of you, i think we should all quit bell, pay the penalty and get it over with. Today is the day that i will be doing this. It won't matter anyway, it's almost summer and there's better thing to do then sit at a putter all day.
It's strange though, in the morning i get 600 plus kb/s, early evening i get 29kb/s. |
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shwing
A Sphincter Says What ?
join:2002-11-14 | reply to DownWithShaping
I agree |
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emerald_b
join:2008-04-07
North York, ON
| reply to R0CKY
thats a very good point... for them wholesalers are easy money, but on the other side, I suppose they do need some business of their own.. otw they would not be able to keep the proverbial "smug look on their faces" for lack of a better description. I really do hope you guys win against them and I am rooting for you. Cause otw its only gonna go downhill from here... without a stance, no bell customers (wholesalers or retail) are gonna have a fighting chance at fair service. |
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