freakyfan
@cgocable.net
| [Windsor] cogecos lack of hd channels I have the cogeco dvr with hd. the hd is great but only like 8 channels. when are they going to add more channels. it's like having a nibble of a great desert. i want the whole damn thing. can't even watch non hd tv anymore, i almost get disgusted with the picture. need more hd!! | |
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Snickerdo
Premium
join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON
| Re: [Windsor] cogecos lack of hd channels Cogeco has consistently been the worst provider when it comes to offering HD channels. Not only were they late to the game by a period of years, but the offers they have now are also significantly behind the times. Anyone who goes to Cogeco for HD content is a fool.
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DrDog
VIP
join:2006-07-28
Fort Erie, ON
| Alot of areas have yet to be upgraded to allow more space for HD content to fit in.
All areas are being upgraded, it it is just a matter of time, teh area I live in I am in the same boat as you
I have learned to use the PVR well enough that I always have some unseen HD content to view
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SuperCM
join:2005-03-08
| Other than Super Channel, I'm not sure how much of a gain more HD channels would be. ExpressVU has a few more like Oasis and stuff, but I checked their lineup in the tv listings and it's nothing that I would tune in for. I dumped DiscoveryHD and HDnet since it wasn't worth $6 a month to get Nothing But Trailers.
Having the major networks is enough. I've got my CBC and the Yankee stations. Don't need Global-HD, since that would just be more reason to simsub. Bad enough they've start doing the simsub of CTV-HD, both east and west, and CityTV-HD. | |
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Marcer
VIP
join:2007-07-08
Hamilton, ON
 ·Mountain Cable
| I don't know how you are only recieving 8 HD channels, It's possible your Box is not correctly set up.
I count:
21 HD channels in the Basic Tier
2 for the HD Premium Tier
2 for HD TMN/MPIX
2 for HD Pay Per View
4 for HD Sports (3 Super Sports Pack channels and 1 Leafs TV HD)
Totaling 31 possible HD Channels (depending on what you subscribe to)
(All these are available in Windsor) | |
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Snickerdo
Premium
join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON
| Re: [Windsor] cogecos lack of hd channels said by Marcer  :Totaling 31 possible HD Channels (depending on what you subscribe to) (All these are available in Windsor) In Niagara we get 12 HD channels, total. This includes the networks, the premiums, the movie channels, etc. It's pathetic, and something Cogeco should be ashamed of. 31 is also pathetic compared to what Rogers offers in all their markets.
Simply put, Cogeco is a decent internet provider, but they are a horrendous television provider that is 1-2 years behind everyone else.
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join:2005-10-11
Hamilton, ON | Re: [Windsor] cogecos lack of hd channels ^ What he said. | |
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hdtvguy
So Much For Subtlety
Premium
join:2003-11-12
St Catharines, ON
| said by Snickerdo :said by Marcer :Totaling 31 possible HD Channels (depending on what you subscribe to) (All these are available in Windsor) In Niagara we get 12 HD channels, total. This includes the networks, the premiums, the movie channels, etc. It's pathetic, and something Cogeco should be ashamed of. 31 is also pathetic compared to what Rogers offers in all their markets. Simply put, Cogeco is a decent internet provider, but they are a horrendous television provider that is 1-2 years behind everyone else. And you forgot the those so important WestCoast HD channels so I have a backup to record the programs that my box froze on me for recordings in the 200's and 700's. At last count 10 recorded programs with frozen video in just the last two weeks. The Cogeco tech didn't find anything wrong with the box and had no idea why all the freezes occur during commercials and not during program content. I would have blamed this on my poor internet performance( I pray they haven't done the node split yet!!) but my understanding is the TV signal is a different carrier than my internet.
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Snickerdo
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join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON
| Re: [Windsor] cogecos lack of hd channels said by hdtvguy :And you forgot the those so important WestCoast HD channels so I have a backup to record the programs that my box froze on me for recordings in the 200's and 700's. At last count 10 recorded programs with frozen video in just the last two weeks. The Cogeco tech didn't find anything wrong with the box and had no idea why all the freezes occur during commercials and not during program content. I would have blamed this on my poor internet performance( I pray they haven't done the node split yet!!) but my understanding is the TV signal is a different carrier than my internet. You get timeshifted HD? My grandfather on Geneva Street most certainly does NOT get anything but the 12 I just mentioned.
Then again, St. Catharines is a bit of a hybrid right now. Some have digital duplication and more HD channels than others.
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hdtvguy
So Much For Subtlety
Premium
join:2003-11-12
St Catharines, ON
| Re: [Windsor] cogecos lack of hd channels said by Snickerdo :You get timeshifted HD? No, I just meant to say how valuable those WOULD be to those of us who are having problems with dropped recordings.
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Snickerdo
Premium
join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON
| Re: [Windsor] cogecos lack of hd channels said by hdtvguy :No, I just meant to say how valuable those WOULD be to those of us who are having problems with dropped recordings. Hah, that makes a lot more sense. St. Catharines isn't exactly on the cutting edge when it comes to digital cable.
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DrDog
VIP
join:2006-07-28
Fort Erie, ON
| Unbuilt areas Marcer
Dont have the bandwidth needed for the 31 channels
My box is correctly set up and I get like 12 channels including SRCHD. which I dont tune to very often, as I dont speak much french
But I like nothing but trailers, I dont really care for the new show hosted by some bald dude, but the trailer alone is a great show | |
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Snickerdo
Premium
join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON
| Re: [Windsor] cogecos lack of hd channels said by DrDog :Unbuilt areas Marcer And, again, this is typical of Cogeco. It took them years upon years to upgrade St. Catharines to two-way cable to where we didn't get cable modem service in this city until 2000. Same deal with HD, although the plant itself seems to have been "built" for the last few years as shown by the few channels in the 100+ range. I highly doubt it takes 4+ years of tweaking a plant after upgrading to 750MHz, of which was done years ago.
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DrDog
VIP
join:2006-07-28
Fort Erie, ON
| Re: [Windsor] cogecos lack of hd channels I am sure it does not either
But hey, what about all the technology that gets developed and never really takes off? Should Cogeco has invested in that? Effective planning takes a long time, you plan for the future.
So all the money is spent to get the plant to 1 Ghz.
Then a new tech called switched digital video comes out, and you realize that you can use that instead of upgrading the plant to probably one of the most expensive to maintain plants, not to mention the extremely cost prohibitive upgrade.
4 years ago, the company was not making much of a profit, and there was neither the penetration or the RGU's to say hey, lets spend alot of money!
Dude, if Cogeco is such a bad company why do you bother?
Do you even have HD services with us? | |
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nitzguy
Premium
join:2002-07-11
Sudbury, ON
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Rogers Hi-Speed
| Re: [Windsor] cogecos lack of hd channels said by DrDog :I am sure it does not either But hey, what about all the technology that gets developed and never really takes off? Should Cogeco has invested in that? Effective planning takes a long time, you plan for the future. So all the money is spent to get the plant to 1 Ghz. Then a new tech called switched digital video comes out, and you realize that you can use that instead of upgrading the plant to probably one of the most expensive to maintain plants, not to mention the extremely cost prohibitive upgrade. 4 years ago, the company was not making much of a profit, and there was neither the penetration or the RGU's to say hey, lets spend alot of money! Dude, if Cogeco is such a bad company why do you bother? Do you even have HD services with us? I got a nice healthy bonus in 2004  . (that was 4 years ago...4 yrs ago technically for Cogeco they're in FY09!!) so that'd make it 2005. But that was a long time ago for moi.
It all comes down to market penetration...everyone knows that...since Niagara has "Dish Fever" ...and has since the early 90s with the "pizza sized" dishes...everyone slipped from cable into the wild world of DirecTV/DISH...
So why would Cogeco spend the money even now when its not worth it? Ask people up in Port Carling/Utterson with their 20 channels...lol...HD is a far ways off for them...actually it'll probably never happen...
So, while it sucks...I understand Cogeco's position on it. They're in it to make money...so why spend money as DrDog has said on rebuilding to 1Ghz and do all that stuff, when all they really need to do is PUSH those DCT700s OUT THE DOOR  ...drop the tiers...have those available on the boxes...save OODLES of bandwidth and saving truckrolls on removing traps ...and get your extra HD there.
Chances are...that will be the solution to the bandwidth woes in all those areas they haven't upgraded yet. Drop the tiers from Analogue...push out some DCT700s, maybe build it into the price, have people who want the HD/PVR to pay their extra...and poof...240Mhz back in the stable and more than enough to push out another 50-100HD channels and LOTS of SD Digital channels.
People will get angry and nutty because they can't get all their channels on the ol' regular cable TV...but if people could see the forest through the trees, they'd see its the better solution IMHO.
That's ultimately the solution to your problems down there..or...get Dish . | |
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Snickerdo
Premium
join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON
| Re: [Windsor] cogecos lack of hd channels said by nitzguy :push out some DCT700s Niagara doesn't even have the analog channels remapped onto digital, so DCT700s are useless here. | |
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DrDog
VIP
join:2006-07-28
Fort Erie, ON | Re: [Windsor] cogecos lack of hd channels incorrect
There are 700s starting to show up here in Niagara | |
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Snickerdo
Premium
join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON
| Re: [Windsor] cogecos lack of hd channels said by DrDog :There are 700s starting to show up here in Niagara I thought I saw 2 through 80 being digital on my aunt's box when she lived in the west end of St. Catharines, but it may have just been the way the picture was being displayed by the box, and I certainly have not seen anyone in St. Catharines or the Falls since then with the analogs duplicated in digital. Good to hear that it's happening, though.
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Aka Snippy
join:2004-07-26
Amherstburg, ON | Re: [Windsor] cogecos lack of hd channels My bad, however back to lunch and doing some reading... | |
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Aka Snippy
join:2004-07-26
Amherstburg, ON | Re: [Windsor] cogecos lack of hd channels Yea the Windsor area has 2-80 digital mapping and 900-980 analog mapping for the dct's other than the 700's, no analog tuner in those. | |
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Aka Snippy
join:2004-07-26
Amherstburg, ON | And analog will be gone in a few years tops....your point? | |
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urbanriot
join:2004-10-18
St Catharines, ON
·Cogeco Cable
| Re: [Windsor] cogecos lack of hd channels said by Chainzz :And analog will be gone in a few years tops....your point? I believe he's referring to the actual feeds... not the method of delivery. | |
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FREAKYFAN
@cgocable.net
| 21 HD channels in the Basic Tier
2 for the HD Premium Tier
2 for HD TMN/MPIX
2 for HD Pay Per View
4 for HD Sports (3 Super Sports Pack channels and 1 Leafs TV HD)
Totaling 31 possible HD Channels (depending on what you subscribe to)
(All these are available in Windsor)
Where do you get 21 basic hd channels? of course there are more that you have to pay for. If i had 21 basic hd channels that would be fine. I have 11 total. (i guessed the first time-actually only 10 if you take away the french one). | |
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join:2006-07-09
Hamilton, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Cogeco Cable
·Mountain Cable
| Re: [Windsor] cogecos lack of hd channels So the reason I don't care about the hd channells is that they tend to be in a very odd spot on the line up.
Is it possible that you can place the hd-channels, over the original ones? Woudnt the normal boxes ust filter out the content anyway? | |
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Adamk
@terago.ca
| Cogeco lists a ton of HD channels on their site but its false advertising as it seems all the areas have a pathetic HD selection. Yes there is fine print, I know that. It still doesn't change the fact that it's misleading.
I am in St. Catharines and the channel selection is awful. There only singular reason that I am not using satellite is because my apartment faces the wrong way and I have no choice. I've had the HD service for nearly 2 years and they haven't added a single new channel in that whole time - it seems like they don't care and they want to live in the analogue world forever. It's 2008 for pete's sake... why are all the standard channels still analogue? They'd at least be watchable if they were digital @ standard defintion. And what's with charging the $6.99 or whatever it is for 2 "premium channels" - Discovery HD and HDNet. I can't live without discovery HD so I am forced to pay this. It feels like a rip off.
My family back in kitchener has Rogers cable and the HD selection is sooo much better. There is literally about 4 or 5 times more HD channels.
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Bagnon
Snoogans
join:2000-11-19
St Catharines, ON | This is the main reason why we will be going Satellite when we move back to St. Catharines. The HD line-up is just pathetic. I'm with freakyfan. I rarely venture outside of the HD channels.
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wallee
join:2006-02-25
St Catharines, ON
| If I understand things correctly, once an area has been upgraded and has the ability to receive all available HD channels we may still be S.O.L.
Some, if not most, of the "extra" HD channels will only be available if you already pay for the digital select package that has the SD version of the HD channel. So we get to fork out more money for a bunch of stuff we don't won't to get a couple of things we do want.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I hope I am.
National Geographic will definitely be this way. And although this channel is unavailable in my area (according to Cogeco CSR's) I was receiving this channel through my QAM tunered TV right up to the time Cogeco stopped HDNet and Disc HD from going out for free. | |
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Snickerdo
Premium
join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON
| Re: [Windsor] cogecos lack of hd channels said by wallee :National Geographic will definitely be this way. And although this channel is unavailable in my area (according to Cogeco CSR's) I was receiving this channel through my QAM tunered TV right up to the time Cogeco stopped HDNet and Disc HD from going out for free. You actually get clear QAM? The only clear QAM I've been able to get in St. Catharines is the occasional VoD user on the same node as me. Not even the music channels are in the clear.
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join:2006-02-25
St Catharines, ON
| Re: [Windsor] cogecos lack of hd channels said by Snickerdo :You actually get clear QAM? The only clear QAM I've been able to get in St. Catharines is the occasional VoD user on the same node as me. Not even the music channels are in the clear. Yup. I get most of the music channels and a bunch of the analogue stations. In some instances two or three times. I think I get fox twice and I have five or six channels the show the sports net logo.I was getting HD Net, Disc HD, National Geographic HD and one of the sports HD channels with no audio. I no longer get NG but I still get all the others but with no audio.
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Snickerdo
Premium
join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON
| Re: [Windsor] cogecos lack of hd channels said by wallee :Yup. I get most of the music channels and a bunch of the analogue stations. In some instances two or three times. I think I get fox twice and I have five or six channels the show the sports net logo.I was getting HD Net, Disc HD, National Geographic HD and one of the sports HD channels with no audio. I no longer get NG but I still get all the others but with no audio. They are mostly concentrated in the 80's and 90's but go as low as 54-XXX and as high as 102-XXX You must live in an area of the city that has analog duplicated on digital. West end, by chance?
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join:2006-02-25
St Catharines, ON
| Re: [Windsor] cogecos lack of hd channels said by Snickerdo :You must live in an area of the city that has analog duplicated on digital. West end, by chance? Is duplication a good thing or a bad thing? Or a nothing?
Near Fairview mall. | |
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Snickerdo
Premium
join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON | Re: [Windsor] cogecos lack of hd channels It's a good thing. My grandfather lives right next door to the mall, and I don't believe he has duplication. | |
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@cgocable.net
| Hey all,
I'm in Chatham. I'm currently subscribed to digital cable, using the 6412 receiver. Would someone explain to me why I'm receiving HD channels(mostly the Detroit feeds)in the 720's? I thought you had to pay extra for HD channels, or is this another one of Cogeco's "sucker" promotions? | |
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