Bruce_Allen123
@cgocable.net
| reply to freakyfan
Re: [Windsor] cogecos lack of hd channels
Hey all,
I'm in Chatham. I'm currently subscribed to digital cable, using the 6412 receiver. Would someone explain to me why I'm receiving HD channels(mostly the Detroit feeds)in the 720's? I thought you had to pay extra for HD channels, or is this another one of Cogeco's "sucker" promotions? |
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Snickerdo
Premium
join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON
| reply to hdtvguy
said by hdtvguy  :No, I just meant to say how valuable those WOULD be to those of us who are having problems with dropped recordings. Hah, that makes a lot more sense. St. Catharines isn't exactly on the cutting edge when it comes to digital cable.
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hdtvguy
So Much For Subtlety
Premium
join:2003-11-12
St Catharines, ON
| reply to Snickerdo
said by Snickerdo :You get timeshifted HD? No, I just meant to say how valuable those WOULD be to those of us who are having problems with dropped recordings.
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Snickerdo
Premium
join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON
| reply to hdtvguy
said by hdtvguy :And you forgot the those so important WestCoast HD channels so I have a backup to record the programs that my box froze on me for recordings in the 200's and 700's. At last count 10 recorded programs with frozen video in just the last two weeks. The Cogeco tech didn't find anything wrong with the box and had no idea why all the freezes occur during commercials and not during program content. I would have blamed this on my poor internet performance( I pray they haven't done the node split yet!!) but my understanding is the TV signal is a different carrier than my internet. You get timeshifted HD? My grandfather on Geneva Street most certainly does NOT get anything but the 12 I just mentioned.
Then again, St. Catharines is a bit of a hybrid right now. Some have digital duplication and more HD channels than others.
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hdtvguy
So Much For Subtlety
Premium
join:2003-11-12
St Catharines, ON
| reply to Snickerdo
said by Snickerdo :said by Marcer :Totaling 31 possible HD Channels (depending on what you subscribe to) (All these are available in Windsor) In Niagara we get 12 HD channels, total. This includes the networks, the premiums, the movie channels, etc. It's pathetic, and something Cogeco should be ashamed of. 31 is also pathetic compared to what Rogers offers in all their markets. Simply put, Cogeco is a decent internet provider, but they are a horrendous television provider that is 1-2 years behind everyone else. And you forgot the those so important WestCoast HD channels so I have a backup to record the programs that my box froze on me for recordings in the 200's and 700's. At last count 10 recorded programs with frozen video in just the last two weeks. The Cogeco tech didn't find anything wrong with the box and had no idea why all the freezes occur during commercials and not during program content. I would have blamed this on my poor internet performance( I pray they haven't done the node split yet!!) but my understanding is the TV signal is a different carrier than my internet.
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Snickerdo
Premium
join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON | reply to wallee
It's a good thing. My grandfather lives right next door to the mall, and I don't believe he has duplication. |
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wallee
join:2006-02-25
St Catharines, ON
| reply to Snickerdo
said by Snickerdo :You must live in an area of the city that has analog duplicated on digital. West end, by chance? Is duplication a good thing or a bad thing? Or a nothing?
Near Fairview mall. |
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Snickerdo
Premium
join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON
| reply to wallee
said by wallee :Yup. I get most of the music channels and a bunch of the analogue stations. In some instances two or three times. I think I get fox twice and I have five or six channels the show the sports net logo.I was getting HD Net, Disc HD, National Geographic HD and one of the sports HD channels with no audio. I no longer get NG but I still get all the others but with no audio. They are mostly concentrated in the 80's and 90's but go as low as 54-XXX and as high as 102-XXX You must live in an area of the city that has analog duplicated on digital. West end, by chance?
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wallee
join:2006-02-25
St Catharines, ON
| reply to Snickerdo
said by Snickerdo :You actually get clear QAM? The only clear QAM I've been able to get in St. Catharines is the occasional VoD user on the same node as me. Not even the music channels are in the clear. Yup. I get most of the music channels and a bunch of the analogue stations. In some instances two or three times. I think I get fox twice and I have five or six channels the show the sports net logo.I was getting HD Net, Disc HD, National Geographic HD and one of the sports HD channels with no audio. I no longer get NG but I still get all the others but with no audio.
They are mostly concentrated in the 80's and 90's but go as low as 54-XXX and as high as 102-XXX |
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Snickerdo
Premium
join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON
| reply to wallee
said by wallee :National Geographic will definitely be this way. And although this channel is unavailable in my area (according to Cogeco CSR's) I was receiving this channel through my QAM tunered TV right up to the time Cogeco stopped HDNet and Disc HD from going out for free. You actually get clear QAM? The only clear QAM I've been able to get in St. Catharines is the occasional VoD user on the same node as me. Not even the music channels are in the clear.
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wallee
join:2006-02-25
St Catharines, ON
| reply to freakyfan
If I understand things correctly, once an area has been upgraded and has the ability to receive all available HD channels we may still be S.O.L.
Some, if not most, of the "extra" HD channels will only be available if you already pay for the digital select package that has the SD version of the HD channel. So we get to fork out more money for a bunch of stuff we don't won't to get a couple of things we do want.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I hope I am.
National Geographic will definitely be this way. And although this channel is unavailable in my area (according to Cogeco CSR's) I was receiving this channel through my QAM tunered TV right up to the time Cogeco stopped HDNet and Disc HD from going out for free. |
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Bagnon
Snoogans
join:2000-11-19
St Catharines, ON | reply to freakyfan
Re: [Windsor] cogecos lack of hd channels
This is the main reason why we will be going Satellite when we move back to St. Catharines. The HD line-up is just pathetic. I'm with freakyfan. I rarely venture outside of the HD channels.
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Adamk
@terago.ca
| reply to freakyfan
Cogeco lists a ton of HD channels on their site but its false advertising as it seems all the areas have a pathetic HD selection. Yes there is fine print, I know that. It still doesn't change the fact that it's misleading.
I am in St. Catharines and the channel selection is awful. There only singular reason that I am not using satellite is because my apartment faces the wrong way and I have no choice. I've had the HD service for nearly 2 years and they haven't added a single new channel in that whole time - it seems like they don't care and they want to live in the analogue world forever. It's 2008 for pete's sake... why are all the standard channels still analogue? They'd at least be watchable if they were digital @ standard defintion. And what's with charging the $6.99 or whatever it is for 2 "premium channels" - Discovery HD and HDNet. I can't live without discovery HD so I am forced to pay this. It feels like a rip off.
My family back in kitchener has Rogers cable and the HD selection is sooo much better. There is literally about 4 or 5 times more HD channels.
Sorry for ranting... |
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Chainzz
Aka Snippy
join:2004-07-26
Amherstburg, ON | reply to Chainzz
Yea the Windsor area has 2-80 digital mapping and 900-980 analog mapping for the dct's other than the 700's, no analog tuner in those. |
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Chainzz
Aka Snippy
join:2004-07-26
Amherstburg, ON | reply to Snickerdo
My bad, however back to lunch and doing some reading... |
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Snickerdo
Premium
join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON
| reply to DrDog
said by DrDog :There are 700s starting to show up here in Niagara I thought I saw 2 through 80 being digital on my aunt's box when she lived in the west end of St. Catharines, but it may have just been the way the picture was being displayed by the box, and I certainly have not seen anyone in St. Catharines or the Falls since then with the analogs duplicated in digital. Good to hear that it's happening, though.
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urbanriot
join:2004-10-18
St Catharines, ON
 ·Cogeco Cable
| reply to Chainzz
said by Chainzz :And analog will be gone in a few years tops....your point? I believe he's referring to the actual feeds... not the method of delivery. |
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nitzguy
Premium
join:2002-07-11
Sudbury, ON
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Rogers Hi-Speed
| reply to Snickerdo
said by Snickerdo :said by nitzguy :push out some DCT700s Niagara doesn't even have the analog channels remapped onto digital, so DCT700s are useless here. It'd take probably oh...I dunno...6, maybe the capacity of 8 analogue channels to duplicate a 70 channel lineup in any area. That's what I meant, dump the tiers...you gain back those 30 channels, duplicate them on digital...and you're left even at that point with lets say 24 6Mhz channels...2 HD channels per frequency...you have 48...even as a worst case scenario.
But again, does Cogeco have the stomach for it?  They have deep pockets now...the question is do they upset the apple cart...or use the Deep Pockets to buy more cable systems out?
MrShag: Its just not possible to do what you are suggesting. Since those without HD boxes wouldn't be able to watch, the technology just doesn't allow for what you are looking for unfortunately.
Same reason why Non-HD boxes can see the HD channels in the lineup, but obviously cannot see (can sometimes hear) them . |
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