Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition in Bell Canada http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20205251 en Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:25:17 EDT Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:25:17 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22819550 anon : LOL I guess i spoke too soon..this time around i am still being throttled, but not at the regular times of 8am-2am....no now i might get lucky and get full speeds during the daytime as well, but i don't count on it. One day im getting full speeds, come back home 3 hours later and find its being capped at 30KB/s AGAIN. My only opinion is how does this company have the right to cap bandwidth usage which already helps their network out, yet at the same time they continue throttling? HMM i have a feeling maybe recording companies are putting a little $$$ in their pockets for all of this. It makes no sense to have throttling when usage is capped monthly ANYWAY!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22819550 Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:01:39 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22790362 anon :
said by AOD See Profile :

i would love to justify that bell owes me 4 dollars a month expense to get around their throttling on FUCKING WHOLESALE
Hmmm. Why don't you?

Send Bell a letter to this effect. Bell legal can be contacted here via their ombudsman@bell.ca]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22790362 Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:52:26 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22790223 AOD : Tired of our country the most laid back telecom enforcers. i would love to justify that bell owes me 4 dollars a month expense to get around their throttling on FUCKING WHOLESALE ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22790223 Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:25:50 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22790037 anon : hhmm apparentely this throttling mysteriously stopped around 2 days ago for me, used to pull 600KB/s on torrents only during 2 AM - 8AM, the rest of the day would max out at only 20-30, but now, its 3 in the afternoon and i am once again at 600KB/s :D:D...again, started a few days ago and every single day 24 hours my connection remains at full speed.. living in north york dufferin and steeles area..i do not know how this happened, the vpn trick i put in a long time ago didnt work, but now my speeds are back to normal for some reason. guess im lucky]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22790037 Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:08:34 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22770088 anon : National? No.
Maybe that's next?

Inter-provincial against Bell? Yes.

The Quebec consumer Union has one open to both Quebec and Ontario residents per their schedule posted on their website. Info can be found in this forum using search.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22770088 Sun, 26 Jul 2009 21:59:23 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22769888 Bagnon : I'd be interested in joining the class-action if there was one central national suit. Having 2 or 3 is not going to do anything. Also, the CRTC is useless. They need to be dismantled. Canada use to be one of the leaders in high-speed internet. Now, we are the face of what the internet should not be in the world.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22769888 Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:46:35 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22768625 anon :
said by evil_gusgus See Profile :

yeah sign me up too, im surprised bell doesnt have a class action lawsuit on their hands.
They do. One or two of them.

You didn't sign up?

Search the forum.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22768625 Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:08:43 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22741204 evil_gusgus : yeah sign me up too, im surprised bell doesnt have a class action lawsuit on their hands.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22741204 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:00:58 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22718377 rik : yup, sign me up.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22718377 Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:27:30 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22707092 DJMASACRE :
said by jdoe71 See Profile :

I honestly don't know why anyone uses Bell when there are so many other better choices, especially among companies that do not ship jobs out of the country. I am almost a Bell free zone, when the cell contract expires shortly I will have transferred everything from Bell to other companies. Bell does not want competition and competition is what creates value for consumers. Leave Bell now, do us all a favour.
people are far too ignorant and never think ¨it will happen to me ¨... too arrogant, too special .. are told lies from others and believe it .

far too many people are too easily manipulated and cant be persuaded once they set their minds to something...

could sum up the start of that .

( oh and i forgot, dont understand more than 25% of a subject if that, to fully know what they are getting into before they do )

just like a drunk driver who doesnt know hes about to risk his life and run over a kid before he gets into that car ) ..

something like that ;)

*EDIT* this is a POSITIVE constructive reply.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22707092 Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:16:30 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22607387 jdoe71 : I honestly don't know why anyone uses Bell when there are so many other better choices, especially among companies that do not ship jobs out of the country. I am almost a Bell free zone, when the cell contract expires shortly I will have transferred everything from Bell to other companies. Bell does not want competition and competition is what creates value for consumers. Leave Bell now, do us all a favour.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22607387 Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:39:18 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22587872 anon : I'm thinking of changing ISP in the future, for the price I pay, I think I deserve a bit more... Well, the others ISP are offering more...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22587872 Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:59:26 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22547353 bigbusa : Well folks, if you want bell to stop, you need to hit them where it counts, hit them in the pocket book $!$!$!$!.

Don’t bother with the CRTC, they don’t regulate the internet.

File a CCTS complaint.
»www.ccts-cprst.ca/en/
»www.ccts-cprst.ca/ots/cf/Existin···ocale=en

Bell will receive the complaint and try to resolve it with you. If the resolution does not satisfy you, and you decide to still pursue, it starts becoming a head ache for bell.

I work for an ISP, I know that the CCTS complaints can be a pain in the ass. And worst of all the average cost to a CCTS complain on the company is between 500-1000$. IF bell is to cheap to spend a few million on bettering the network, then lets make them spend it on legal tie up.

Remember, you don’t have to file a complain on just throttling,. If you have any Complaints you wish to voice to the CCTS, feel free. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22547353 Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:35:32 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22452394 EntraideNet :
said by DownWithShaping :

1. By posting in this thread you agree the traffic shaping must stop.
2. Please only post here once
3. Post how this has effected your ability to use legal services

This might be beneficial.

Point of this thread is to get posts, so that those in sympat direct can see it and let the big guys know when the thread becomes worth there time (300+ posts)
To be polite, even if Bell offer me theirs services free, I think I will refuse ...

Worst service of all, they even lock you up any p2p app is locked up without minding if it a legal use or not, so good peoples pay for the bad ones ...

Voip uses, Legal torrents (Linux,open source,miro,icecast,...), and more ...

Any Bell services or reseller should be closed for ever !!!

Throttling is immoral , illegal and non-sense !!!

Like if we shut up your telephone if you say a banned word, even a word or phrase that don't have the same meaning will be banned...

You pay for a service that you don't get that's all !!!

CRTC should pay for monopolist attitude, they are there to help concurency that we don't get, they even are a threat to the evolution of voip ...

Entraide-net

P.S. I could tell theirs cons for hours so I will shut up now !!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22452394 Wed, 27 May 2009 14:27:02 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22434046 erik2250 : HD YouTube video's load extremley slowly, when I host online games they lag, and torrents have legal use (I download ubuntu, and some indy bands).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22434046 Sat, 23 May 2009 17:31:12 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22431774 kaiu8 : The problem here is that not everyone is downloading songs or movies, and are being throttled...

The easiest way to share and spread files just happens to also be torrenting, and that sucks... Tons of online game clients require torrenting to download, downloading stuff from fansites often use torrents, sometimes they use stuff such as megaupload which are great, but isn't really something you can click once and run in background (have to do those CAPTCHA images), especially when you need to download and resume multiple files.

If there wasn't a thing such as torrents, and another thing similar came out, I'm sure Bell would throttle that too. And there are always the people who run other programs that are also affected by this throttling.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22431774 Fri, 22 May 2009 23:54:55 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22425652 Sergio88 : I don't mine about Traffic Shaping. I was a victim of Bell throttling but when I stopped my bitTorrent downloading I was back at full speed.

Sure it was fun when I could get movies for free, but 0.99$ for a song and 4$ a movie is not the end of the world. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22425652 Thu, 21 May 2009 22:39:08 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22348159 anon : deffely wish the traffic should stop why euro or any where els it dont exist the internet should be open and free but not over abused like for me a limit of 400-700gb should be find per month i like my anime and over all bell cogeco rogers telus = rip off thank you very much cogeco is chargeing me 80 dollers a month for 100 gb limit witch sucks on a 16 mbps line witch is a mega rip off and a half give me the limit i want for 80 dollers a month my buddy in euro pays like 30-50 a month and gets like 25-35mbps internet speeds and no limits canada and usa got to stop this bs nonsence of telling us what we can and what we can not download. if you stream hd movies from the net it uses 4-10gb to watch the hole movie in matter of days the limit will be reached

SSSSTTTTOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPP the TRAFFFIICCC SHAAAPPPIIINNGGG ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22348159 Wed, 06 May 2009 12:00:12 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22297293 black shadow : Traffic shaping is stealing. Customers do not get what they pay for.

Bells monopoly and abuse of customers must stop.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22297293 Sun, 26 Apr 2009 07:55:25 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22263166 sbrook : In Britain, you have to remember that they are subject to EU competition rules which are MUCH stricter than here in Canada which improves the competitive landscape far more. Our incumbents have far too much power. Look at FIDO ... bought out by Rogers. They buy the competitors if they can't get them other ways as soon as they become a real threat. The EU also has very much stronger consumer protection legislation.

We were getting what we paid for ... Bell's traffic shaping is all about money. Whether it's managing internal money for the service to their own customers, or charging external ISPs for service to 3rd parties. If you limit the service with traffic shaping, you can sell to more customers without spending to improve the infrastructure on the network, and you don't pay so much in transit bandwith to the internet backbones.

Our ISPs are ripping us off. Our ISPs are essentially unregulated since they get to do what the heck they like. The competition bureau of the dept of industry couldn't give a damn, implying they are supporting a free market. The fact that the carriers are clearly limiting competition is irrelevent. Claims to our provincial consumer protection regulators are met with "Talk to the competition bureau and the CRTC"

Nobody is taking control of these people, so we're getting ripped off.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22263166 Sun, 19 Apr 2009 19:55:15 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22262602 phllb : Sbrook, although I value your opinion and your sense of fair play especially when it comes to arguments surrounding Bell, the culture in Canada that has become apparent with companies like Bell who promise much but don't actually deliver on all that they promise but still continue to charge the maximum, is something that Canadians should be ashamed of.

You say quite rightly that the speeds in Europe are not all good that is true but that is not the point. In the UK which it has to be said is a much smaller country and does not have the same infrastructure issues, internet companies have much more competition than exists here and that is key to the reasons why the speeds are so much higher and throttling or traffic shaping is not an issue as it is here.

Every network manager in the UK has a public duty not just to their own customers but to all internet customers to prevent or curtail abuses of the bandwidth, but when the average customer has a 7.0 meg service and now 16 megs is becoming standard, then traffic management is less sensitive as most users are getting what they paid for and if there is any variance in service, a user would be notified properly of the reasons why.

Here, when most Bell customers struggle to get a reliable 3 meg service let alone anything higher, then traffic shaping especially when the reasons are not clear as to why it is going on, really does stick in the throat and for 50 bucks a month I have an expectation sorely misplaced that I am going to get what I paid for!

If Bell stood up and said we need and are going to do a better job with our infrastructure and if they said they could improve the service speed wise and in it's reliability, then traffic shaping would become less of an issue than it is for most users would then be getting what they paid for and would be less likely to have to complain.

From what I can see in Canada so far, I am not going to hold my breath!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22262602 Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:42:33 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22243303 unap :
said by razx See Profile :

This traffic shaping is not justified. Bell is not a company selling potatoes, its a Telecommunication company and a big one. Its their responsibility to keep their system up to date and forecast the demand and upgrade accordingly. They make profit on every payment they receive and hence if they were such a good company, they would have anticipated high volume and upgraded their system.

There are other solutions to p2p networking than just shaping. A smart company would invest in making p2p more efficient than just blocking traffic.
I am in full agreement with you.

Is this lack of foresight expected from a company as large as bell? No. I don't think it is anything beyond:

1. Extracting even larger profits

2. Trying to monopolize the regulations to make the customers' choice of any ISP besides Bell irrelevant.

I started out with Teksavvy from December after leaving Bell's service for good. Now I find Bell being big bully who is looking to force everyone into submission.

And to be honest, Bell isn't the only one to be blame for this immoral act. We are. Had we kept its power in check it then perhaps it would have had a bit less power in our so called democratic society.

This is communism on the plane of ISPs in capitalist nation where the man with the biggest bank balance decides the rules for the rest to follow.

Shame.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22243303 Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:48:09 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22236558 anon :
said by maelharris See Profile :

I am fed up with paying 50$/month for a 7Mbps line that deliveries less satisfactory results than a 1.5Mbps line.

Bell is a rip off and I rarely get what I pay for. STOP THROTTLING MY CONNECTION! Greedy corporate pigs!!!!!
Then stop being Bell's Cash Cow, and jump ship.
»/r0/download/1···hcow.jpg]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22236558 Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:38:52 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22235641 maelharris : I am fed up with paying 50$/month for a 7Mbps line that deliveries less satisfactory results than a 1.5Mbps line.

Bell is a rip off and I rarely get what I pay for. STOP THROTTLING MY CONNECTION! Greedy corporate pigs!!!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22235641 Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:42:31 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22227008 dizzy1 : bell is evil. they are throttling legal use of bittorent to get my Linux live gaming cds. with no copyrighted games on them. Shame on bell.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22227008 Mon, 13 Apr 2009 01:46:50 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22217643 shaw : I think its a problem with torrento.to.to.to.to.to.toronto.torrento.to.to.to.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22217643 Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:21:59 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22217515 anon : What company are you revering to I know of one with a backbone to conneticut.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22217515 Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:56:54 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22216714 sbrook :
said by shaw See Profile :

Whats traffic shapping?
As a shaw user, you should know ... but also known as throttling. Bell's practice doesn't apply to you, of course, since it's Ontario and Quebec's version of Telus and doesn't provide DSL service to BC]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22216714 Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:18:48 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22215935 shaw : Whats traffic shapping?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22215935 Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:03:00 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22188599 Twistian37 : No to traffic shaping enough is enough]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22188599 Sun, 05 Apr 2009 19:09:28 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22100665 anon : My first post in this topic (basically because the rule was "must post anon with a Bell host").

So now a year or so has passed and its getting worse with UBB tossed in.

Has this "Unofficial petition" reached its end and goal?

Will there be a new UBB "Unofficial petition" on top of this one?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22100665 Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:05:39 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22098735 bell_shiit : I am in.

STOP, my name say's it all]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22098735 Thu, 19 Mar 2009 22:45:48 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22073727 julienvf : Die bell die!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22073727 Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:38:55 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22023571 razx : This traffic shaping is not justified. Bell is not a company selling potatoes, its a Telecommunication company and a big one. Its their responsibility to keep their system up to date and forecast the demand and upgrade accordingly. They make profit on every payment they receive and hence if they were such a good company, they would have anticipated high volume and upgraded their system.

There are other solutions to p2p networking than just shaping. A smart company would invest in making p2p more efficient than just blocking traffic.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22023571 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 00:25:13 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22016958 EvilElf : I don't think they use this line anymore.... fast at night is more like it if u download.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22016958 Wed, 04 Mar 2009 23:10:51 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21962854 anon : If I remember correctly, the commercial (with the beavers) said it's always fast. False advertising anyone?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21962854 Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:02:44 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21899089 anon : I pay $100.00/month for their Optimax line.

Most of the time what I get is around 1Mbps only. They are cheaters and highway robbers. Any other alternative for Sympatico lines for business. They shouold not collect for so called service they provide.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21899089 Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:59:55 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21896095 siljaline : Consider me onboard :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21896095 Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:34:29 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21891910 anon :
said by Choupinette See Profile :

Some people forget how internet speed has evolved. Why are you complaining if your download slows down at certain times? It's not like they let you hanged at 3 kB/s when we first were on dial up... come on, what's the rush? ;)
So you want us to start living in caves and re-invent the wheel again ?? :) :D :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21891910 Tue, 10 Feb 2009 00:46:50 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21885612 Choupinette : Some people forget how internet speed has evolved. Why are you complaining if your download slows down at certain times? It's not like they let you hanged at 3 kB/s when we first were on dial up... come on, what's the rush? ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21885612 Sun, 08 Feb 2009 21:52:38 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21842058 Bran57 : My Speed just went from about 900kbps to 182.... can anyone explain that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21842058 Sat, 31 Jan 2009 23:24:00 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21822939 WaitForGodot : Bell forced me to make the best decision to leave Bell

I am happy for you to be able to save some money, with better service. I calculated that I will be saving over $600 a year, with the switch of my landline and DSL service. Even if I knock-off the cost of a new modem ($60-70) + a one-time fee of $25 for landline, I am still way ahead in the very first year.

You can read my review of Bell + if anyone wants a well documented log of my travails with BS (I meant Bell Sympatico), I would be more than happy to oblige.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21822939 Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:26:29 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21820825 anon : Lower prices with better service and speed sure does sound great.

I called them today and reached a friendly person I could speak with clearly which was refreshing. Bell's support people can be tiresome sometimes. I mean, a "Made in China" label on my modem is fairly invisible, but when you're outsourcing human interaction and communication that's just not a good idea no matter how earnest or friendly the person on the other end is.

Actually I researched a bit about them and have already canceled Bell! Why? Because I just saw that my unlimited account had been switched to a 100GB limit one. No way am I sticking with that. I guess they tricked me without knowing into "upgrading" when they sent me my new modem.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21820825 Wed, 28 Jan 2009 12:30:30 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21819141 WaitForGodot : Theowne, no offence taken. I am not as tech savvy about the details, but Sbrook has nailed it, along with the use of MLPPP protocol. There are a number of forums discussing the advantages of using MLPPP to address the throttling issues.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21819141 Wed, 28 Jan 2009 03:42:05 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21817013 sbrook : Reseller is the wrong term. They use Bell's Gateway Access Service to connect from you to a gateway to their own internet connectivity. A reseller simply sells Bell service which goes all the way from you to the internet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21817013 Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:21:01 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21816599 anon : Although I'm curious about TekSaavy, because what I've read on forums is that they're a Bell reseller and are also affected by throttling.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21816599 Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:03:40 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21816511 anon : I'm sorry if you felt I was offending you somehow. I was merely posting my experience with Sympatico and traffic shaping in this thread.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21816511 Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:45:09 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21816369 WaitForGodot :
said by theowne :

I really can't complain about my service.

Now, in the evening and afternoon the speed goes down I suppose because these are high use-times of the day.
Good for you Theowne. I offered an alternate suggestion to Chrissy. I now pay $29 instead of $55, have a 200 Mb cap instead of 60 Mb
+ no slowing down of speeds in the evening.
I am also very happy with the Tech Support, with a friendly voice to actually help you, (just not the scripted Level 1 support from Timbuktu I had to previously deal with at Bell). ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21816369 Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:16:37 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21815632 anon : I have Bell Sympatico, with the home networking modem, and I am watching my torrents at 750 kB/s right now.

I really can't complain about my service.

Now, in the evening and afternoon the speed goes down I suppose because these are high use-times of the day. But for 18 hours of the day, my speeds are great and I don't experience these throttling problems enough that it becomes a bother.

Oddly getting the home networking kit seems to have improved my speeds.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21815632 Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:10:17 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21799858 WaitForGodot :
said by Chrissy :

any other providers in Toronto region who dont throttle?
Give Teksavvy a try. They have a 200 Mb package, which is way more than Bell's 60 Mb Performance package, BUT at half the price. In addition, I don't know how bell managed to regularly ding me for exceeding the 60 Mb limit, whereas so far with Teksavvy, I haven't even used half of that so far. (I guess blame it on Bell's Math). Also, the Speedtest.com results are vastly much better now that I switched. Hope that helps.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21799858 Sat, 24 Jan 2009 14:53:02 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21799841 WaitForGodot :
said by Chrissy :

any other providers in Toronto region who dont throttle?
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21799841 Sat, 24 Jan 2009 14:47:43 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21777028 Kristal : Yup, traffic shaping stinks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21777028 Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:01:17 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21737140 eots :
said by Tama :

Every ISP that use DSL does now.
Only because Bell forced it on everyone, not because they choose to! DSL ISP's that support MLPPP are currently the only way to get around the throttle.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21737140 Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:00:20 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21725918 anon : Every ISP that use DSL does now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21725918 Mon, 12 Jan 2009 08:14:49 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21705444 anon : I hate the throttling! I was wondering if i can cancel my contract for reasons of unlimited d/l, that I now cant use.
any other providers in Toronto region who dont throttle?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21705444 Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:42:50 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21557925 sbrook : You make it sound like all of Europe enjoys great speeds ... Sadly that's not the case.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21557925 Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:21:51 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21556697 anon : All i know this is really sad i cant believe how slow the internet speeds are here in CDN ( ottawa ont here ), coming from Europe our internet was so much faster then this ridiculous figure i am paying $50 a month and have a 4200 speedstream

»www.speedtest.net/result/370274329.png]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21556697 Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:53:45 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21504813 sbrook : There are far more effective ways to deal with illegal transfers. If Rogers or Bell were concerned about the legality of the stuff being transferred for every "copyright violation notice" they receive under the "notice and notice" scheme, they'd be terminating users. That would be a LOT cheaper than buying and using throttling boxes.

ALL residential internet providers oversell their network capacity. Each and every one of them. If you follow the argument that they oversold their network and throttling is the way to retrieve that, then that validates their reason for throttling in the first place! Bell have made NO COMMITMENTS to reneg on ... they made no commitment to you that you would have anything but a wire coming into your house that would provide you with internet access.

Goodness knows they deserve tons of flack for their practices, but at the same time, if you're going to complain, you've got to use arguments that are valid.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21504813 Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:50:38 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21504779 anon : With all due respect, even if Bell and Rogers are not publically making the argument that all p2p is illegal, this judgement is implicit in their actions and it's shared by the current government.

As members of the public we'll never really know just how congested Bell's networks were prior to their "traffic management" because they submitted that data to the CRTC confidentially.

As I stated, I think network operators have to have the ability to manage their networks, but there are other high traffic applications that are not being throttled, such as internet gaming.

With regard to item #3, there's a difference between making no guarantees on a service and actively degrading specific applications on that service.

Bell gambled by overselling the capacity on their network. There's nothing wrong with that, this business model works quite well in most circumstances, and it did for Bell for quite some time. The problem with gambling however is that sometimes you lose. The downside of overselling is that if you reach capacity on your network, you'll have to sacrifice the profits you made by overselling to expand your capacity and honor your commitments.

Bell didn't do that. They decided to renege on their commitments so they could continue overselling. They changed their agreements without obtaining consent or even notifying their customers. Their promotional material still implies that multimedia can be accessed at extremely high speed with Sympatico which with regard to BitTorrent is not true and deliberately misleading on their part.

If they continued to provide the original service to existing customers or offered them some sort of compensation in return for providing a more restrictive service as well as clearly identified the restrictions of the service for new customers, I wouldn't have a problem with Bell.

I'd have an issue with the Government over Net Neutrality, but Bell wouldn't be deceiving their customers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21504779 Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:41:17 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21504457 sbrook : As much as I dislike Bell's and Rogers throttling, your first point is incorrect.

Their decision to throttle has nothing to do with the legality of the material. The decision to throttle is totally independent of the actual content. It is based on the traffic load. P2P users have the habit of queuing up hours upon hours of constant download and upload traffic which presents a heavy load on their system which was designed for residential use as they saw it based on the history of dialup internet.

Now, in the case of Rogers, there is technical merit to throttling the upload, which is what they do (it has the unfortunate sude effect of also throttling the download in the process). In the case of Bell, there supposedly isn't enough bandwidth available on their GAS network to provide this level of service, and Bell say they need to throttle to provide reasonable service quality to all. (I don't swallow this argument entirely, but they convinced the CRTC)

As to item 3, no, they aren't violating service commitments, for if you look at your terms of service they make NO performance guarantees, and in fact go out of their way to point out that they don't guarantee performance.

You are absolutely correct wrt item 2.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21504457 Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:04:49 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21504388 anon : I cancelled Rogers because they throttled. I switched to Acanac because they did not.

A network operator has to be able to manage the traffic on their network, but what Bell (and any other ISP that throttles the way Bell does) is doing is wrong for the following reasons:

1) They are making a value judgement based solely on the type of traffic (i.e. All Peer2Peer traffic is illegal), which is clearly untrue, and inappropriate for a non-governmental entity.

2) They are clearly in a conflict of interest position, selectively slowing traffic that competes with their other businesses.

3) They are violating their service commitments so that they can continue to oversell the capacity of their network without upgrading their intrastructure which was funded by taxpayers in the first place.

4) To this day they are not being open and honest with their customers about exactly what is being throttles and what isn't.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21504388 Sun, 30 Nov 2008 12:48:21 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21502095 Stojko : Signed, an unhappy Bell customer - St. John's, NL]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21502095 Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:49:13 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21500976 sbrook : Your line profile may be 6Mbps, but you'll get 15% less than that guaranteed, because the modem speed quoted is its sync speed, whereas the actual end user data rate is lower because of overheads ... so a speed of 5150 would be perfect.

Always pick the same server when you're doing speedtests]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21500976 Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:02:00 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21499582 anon : I switched back to Bell in May and I have had nothing but problems - they said it was up to 7 megs service, I found out I was only getting about 2.1! Worse still it started to lose sync badly and got worse after the shithead of a tech who came out gave me a used modem saying it was new!

First off he said there was nothing wrong saying 3 megs was all I was going to get. After I told him I knew the line would handle at least 6 megs they made some changes grudgingly and now I am capped at 6016. I just did a test and this is the result:

»www.speedtest.net/result/364027441.png

For some reason which they either can't or won't explain, I am getting about 5150 to a Hamilton server with about 660 up. This is not good even considering the line going in to my house is old. Can anyone tell me why at the demarcation point it reads 6016 but after the modem it says at best 5150?

I know these tests are not to be relied on but they have already capped me at 6016 saying that they cant take it any higher because it becomes unstable?! Do I care? Hell no!

I am paying way too much money for this crap and I want to get out of it. Problem is, if I go with Bruce Telecom, they will still be using the same line as they piggy back on Bell existing line.

If I go with Rogers, they say they can guarantee at least 6 megs down a coax cable and now they are advertising 18 megs service! Is this possible?

Traffic shaping, capping of speeds call it what you will, it has to stop. If I am paying big bucks for 7 megs then that's what I should be getting not this bull crap "up to 7 megs" shit they are screwing us with.

Good luck with the petition.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21499582 Sat, 29 Nov 2008 01:23:42 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21480305 anon : If Canada is supposed to be an industry leader in telecommunications, than why are our Internet Providers a. overpriced and b. so limited in bandwidth

I have a good friend in the states that pays $45 a month for UNLIMITED usage and 10-30Mbit speeds

and here we are, limiting everything and choking the competition

pathetic
have shame in your actions cuz they are communistic]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21480305 Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:04:11 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21472975 anon : What a bunch crooks, i cancelled my rogers extreme speed today because my bill effecectively doubled since they started this BULLSHYT. I also told them i will not be going to bell either, rather finding a small isp, changing my phone line to voip or whatever and will not be billed from either of those monopilizing crooks for anything ever again. Only problem is tekksavy doesnt come to Brampton or toronto and i cant find any other isp to serve my needs...scratch that i cant find shyt about any isp i can sign up with for high speed.Canadian communication industry is fking rediculous.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21472975 Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:38:00 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21465244 anon : stopppppppppppppp the traffic shaping we are paying the full price for less speed]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21465244 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:03:06 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21458648 pat2008 : has anyone actually seen what others offer in other countries? virgin mobile in the UK has a 20mb line for 10gbp (aprox $20 CAD) unlimited bandwidth (based on their usage policy).

Other areas can offer this kind of bandwidth but canada is still stuck in the 80's and will never allow a decent connection.

Its sickning]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21458648 Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:04:27 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21458558 sbrook : What has being in here got to do with being with Bell? Sure, most people posting in this forum subscribe to Bell's services, but the forum is not in any way, shape or form, related to Bell.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21458558 Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:48:26 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21458523 otty : BOycott!! c'mon people, what are you doing in here!?!?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21458523 Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:41:39 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21419998 DoctorBunsen : I remember Bell's old dial-up plan that only gave you 60 hours of internet every month and then charged you $1.50 for each hour you went over. I left them for a company that offered a cheaper unlimited plan.

Now they've capped my transfer to 20GB without my permission so I'm switching again.

This traffic shaping is the latest of their schemes to make money off their unsuspecting and trusting customers. If we all sign up with the smaller companies, it will force the big companies to give us back our unlimited internet. They have to do it eventually. Too bad I already don't trust them and they'll probably try to find another way to rape us when we're least expecting it. I will NEVER go back after this latest stunt.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21419998 Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:07:35 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21414844 DJMASACRE :
said by Weazel :

I am done, cancelled my sympatico as of today, which in bells terms means December 6.

I was paying 70.00 per month for the service, I had to get the extra bandwith insurance so I can download 90gb per month. This was pure rape as far as I am concerned. I was being throttled, so what why should I give Bell my money when I can just as easily give it to Tek Savvy or any other small ISP to get the same service but with more bandwith.

I am done and am going to do my best to get all my friends off of Bell. At least they fixed the correct wiring at the Demarc, after months of trying to get them to come out when I was going to originally sign up with a smaller ISP last year, I decided lets go with Sympatico to force them to come out and low an dehold within a day it was up and running. Now that the wiring is fixed, I am done with bell.

Dear Bell Kiss my shiny metal ass!!!
wow ... 70$ a month for internet... i cant even imagine

and now you can pay 40$ for the same speed, possibility to bypass throttling, and download TO YOUR HEARTS CONTENT !

wow i wonder what i would choose ;)

** Downloads almost 1TB every month because I can **

way ta go . ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21414844 Wed, 12 Nov 2008 04:36:34 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21387771 anon : I am done, cancelled my sympatico as of today, which in bells terms means December 6.

I was paying 70.00 per month for the service, I had to get the extra bandwith insurance so I can download 90gb per month. This was pure rape as far as I am concerned. I was being throttled, so what why should I give Bell my money when I can just as easily give it to Tek Savvy or any other small ISP to get the same service but with more bandwith.

I am done and am going to do my best to get all my friends off of Bell. At least they fixed the correct wiring at the Demarc, after months of trying to get them to come out when I was going to originally sign up with a smaller ISP last year, I decided lets go with Sympatico to force them to come out and low an dehold within a day it was up and running. Now that the wiring is fixed, I am done with bell.

Dear Bell Kiss my shiny metal ass!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21387771 Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:27:00 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21293513 core2extreme : Viva Net neutrality!

Please give back unlimited bandwidth, reasonable prices and throttle-free connection, Bell. For now, I will be going with any other ISP.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21293513 Sun, 19 Oct 2008 18:26:40 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21260193 anon : I order Bell's premium 16mbs service, because I'm a Freelance editor and use the internet frequently to download ROYALTY FREE CONTENT. This is Bullshit! It's like If I were to sell you a six lane highway and then a few months down the road tell you we're going to close five lanes anytime we want. Go fuck yourself bell, I hope some very smart people start figuring out how to really avoid this permanently, even if it means creating a black market device, whatever, I'm in. The service industry in general fucks everyone in the ass on a regular basis. We need a MAVERICK or a cowboy with a hard on who is gonna regulate these bastards and fuck em right back, for the people. "cheers" "cheers"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21260193 Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:49:46 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21220183 anon : I have been with bell Canada since around 2003 when they had unlimited 3 Meg line. Late last year, around August my account was showing an extra $30 on my bill. When I check my account manager online I seemed that my account was switched over to the 5 meg service which only offer 30 GB and that I have gone over it roughly 30gigs. When I call customer service they said that my account has been switched over to a 5meg line because Bell does not offer the 3 Meg service anymore. They said that they'd notified everyone that the services bell offer is being updated, and till this day I have not received any notification about such change. Which I then say fine what plans you offer, I end up taking the 7 Meg total performance package which is roughly $44.95 with a bundle discount of $5.
Ever since my line as being changed from the 3 Meg line to the 7meg line I have nothing but problems with the service. Sometimes when I'm downloading a file, let's say half a gig… it will reached 90% and then it will disconnected losing 400 megs and me not getting the full file. Sometimes when I check my speed online at speed easy it will say that I only getting roughly 2950Kbps down and 660Kbps up which I should be getting roughly 6000-7000kbps down and 800-1000kbps up. I know that you are not going to get the exact speed if you're on a 7 Meg line but, come on...2950Kbps! Streaming a website like youtube or even Microsoft, running like I am on a dial-up connection. These problems with my Internet service from Bell Sympatico all started when they started to throttle the service. I'm just waiting for an extra hundred dollar so I can cancel their service, to at least switch to a company that offered me more bandwidth for less such as teKsavvy. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21220183 Sun, 05 Oct 2008 20:26:13 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21215790 biggrasshop : I vote for a stop on traffic shaping too!

If what was said earlier in this thread is true, why penalize 99% of the users for what the 1% of the users are doing to gobble up 50% of the bandwidth.

I agree with some of the earlier comments. There must be a more intelligent solution than traffic shaping everyone to moderate just 1% of the users. ... maybe add throttle to only that 1%?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21215790 Sat, 04 Oct 2008 17:05:49 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21147751 anon : »www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008···rtc.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21147751 Mon, 22 Sep 2008 00:00:10 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21119207 darknestgirl : did you know that in china they use the same thing than bell are using to throttle the internet but it's for blocking website to the chinese people

i look at it in wikipedia and i was shock when i saw that

they throtlle my internet every night so i'm against it it's a free country and we should be able to download at the speed we want

and some bell customer just found out after watching french tv that some client who thought they were paying for high speed internet didn't have high speed but intermediate because a bell tech came to her house and told her there was no way she could have high speed because she was to far from CO

i'm glad i not with bell anymore]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21119207 Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:21:58 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21067400 sbrook : Whilst spam is a large contributor to the supposed bandwidth problem, it still does not represent so large a contributor that throttling is essential.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21067400 Sat, 06 Sep 2008 09:48:05 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21066142 anon : Although I suspect that this post will fall into the ether, or elicit an inflammatory response, it might be worthwhile to share some thoughts on this matter beyond the common postulate: "Bell sucks ass".

Bell's network infrastructure is one of the largest and an a great example of one of humanity's exceptional engineering accomplishments. Hundreds of millions of dollars were spent pre-2000 to get ready for the "Internet Age". Have you ever wondered who is Nortel's and BNRs largest customer? Where did the money come from to fund the leading telecom research in this country? That's right folks, your coin and mine. Over the last 100 years, Bell, it's subsidiaries, and our Universities have silently worked to evolve the world's understanding of telecommunications. The COs at Park Rd, Simcoe St, Dundas, Eglinton are filled with state of the art telecom/network equipment. Few people have ever seen these places, let alone understand the complexities involved in designing these infrastructures.

If you think about the immense capability that was put into place, it is unfathomable that 1% of the customer base with limited bandwidth capacity, in contrast with the true carrying capacity of the network, could be responsible for clogging this superb feat of engineering.

So what is the real source of the problem? It's quite simple: SPAM, virus, and worm traffic. It is estimated that over 50% of today's traffic in the Internet is pure noise. For those of you that manage corporate networks, you know the toll and the economic burden that this sort of traffic is placing on businesses of all sizes. Bandwith throttling is not about controlling P2P, securing digital content (DRM), or the other half-dozen conspiratorial theories. Simply, Bell and other ISPs do not have a handle on the complexity of the network traffic induced by these vermin, and their grasp of the technical challenges is akeen to that of our ape ancestors beating the ground with a stick when they discovered the first tools. Their attempts at controlling bandwith utilization by reducing our pipe size to that of a dial-up connection is not the answer. Perhaps our friends at the CRTC and Consumer Affairs should remind the ISPs that "bait and switch" is still illegal in this country.

If this sounds like an episode of your favourite sci-fi show, check your router/modem logs. Just remember in the year 2000 it was estimated that 33% of Canadians had Internet access. Bell had about 10 million customers then, factor the 33% and assume that only half of these customers have high speed and it will give you a fairly close estimate of how many residential customers with "noise" traffic exist. Add Canadian corporate traffic, and incoming International traffic; you soon have an unmanageable and unpredictable level of network traffic. This is not to say that "throttling" is the answer, but quite the contrary.

Generally, problem solving in the corporate world tends to focus on "low hanging fruit". After all, few Executives want to bet millions of dollars on work that has a 50/50 chance of success. The appetite for ongoing trial and tribulations is even lower. Unfortunately, combining the risk adverse nature of the Executive, with an obsession with the "bonus" that has taken hold of business executives across the world leads to catastrophic choices. Undoubtedly in this case, people's predictable surfing patterns became the natural target when trying to solve a very complex problem. After all, humans are the only animals that can be tracked down thanks to their rather predictable habits.

For a moment, consider that only a very few people in the business world ever sit down to think through the consequences of their short-term solutions. This might explain why we seem to have regularly scheduled economic disasters. Collectively, as a species we're not much brighter than a herd of sheep.

Say no to SPAM, keep your computers virus/worm free... and stop the mindless chain letters with the multi-megabyte attachments. Ultimately, we have control of what flows down the pipe. Remember, too much toilet paper can plug the toilet, and the resulting mess is rather unpleasant. So perhaps when we get our act together collectively, maybe then these 'evil' corporations might have a chance of keeping up and avoid concocting moronic solutions to relatively complex problems and let us surf the net to our hearts content. In short, we need to help each other as polite Canadians always do.

To Canadian ISPs: Get with the program people!!! Upsetting customers off is not the answer. Try "thinking" more often. You'd be surprised what 30 minutes of "non-meeting" time can actually accomplish.

To our Government: Our schools need funding and we need to encourage our young and brightest to embrace science and technology. Only then will we have a hope in hell of solving these sort of challenges ahead.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21066142 Fri, 05 Sep 2008 23:15:38 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21049355 anon : Will someone stop this traffic Shapping.

Now i can't even get above 50 kbps for my torrents ... Some 5mbps connection i have.

I hope every Bell employee, and director burns in an eternal inferno for cheating its customers. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21049355 Wed, 03 Sep 2008 06:36:40 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21031985 AliG : This is all ridicoulous...
Regarding to the fact that 1% of users are getting 50% bandwidth. its not my/our fault...

Its not my fault that half of canadians know internet = msn,yahoo & cnn. they get 5 mins in front of the pc a day (or maybe less) and still want a high speed line - morons

Its not my fault that the companies arent advertising good. They better be giving what they are advertising for. If they say 5 mbps line then so be it regardless of my neighbour who plays sill WoW because he is 40y old but behaves like 14.

And u would be surprised that the 1% u think is more than 10 at least.

And y on earth can they throttle internet when I get it on other ISPs?

If the CRTC fails this time again then yeah maybe one of my friends was right, Canada is really a country of a bunch of people who know only to drink their coffee, look their mail and watch TVs... neither one includes staning up for their rights.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21031985 Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:09:38 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21030005 Zpoon : I've been torrenting for a good few years now without a problem with Bell. I've always been able to hit my max http download. Well, that changed 2 days ago. It seems during peak hours my torrents crawl to a download of 30kb/s right on the nose. It seems in the Richmond Hill area the throttling begins.

This is ridiculous. I use torrents to download Linux distros and such. Hope it gets lifted for good soon.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21030005 Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:14:40 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21023935 ichthys : hate this throttling. internet connections should be open and free of manipulation by the isp.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21023935 Fri, 29 Aug 2008 00:00:12 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21023547 anon : If the CRTC had any gonads this would have been over already. Seems in Canada the motto is "Less for More."

Now they want to charge for unsolicited text messages too. When is it going to stop?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21023547 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:35:52 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20908938 grahamlc : I use a device called the Magic Jack to make long distance calls over the net(VOIP) Since shaping has become the norm I am having trouble with delays and the called party not being able to hear me. My sister with the same devise on video has no such problems. All else being equal the fault can only be on Bell/ Sympatico 's side.
(IE my laptop, my dongle and my phone just two different networks)

GrahamLC]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20908938 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:03:47 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20906120 ultrasroma :
said by Guy :

The throttling done by Bell is only on BitTorrent packets and only on certain times of the day.

The figures are outrageous - 1% of the users are utilizing almost 50% of the bandwidth, and this hurts everybody.

While you may not like throttling, other providers throttle via their network architecture naturally, Bell is just doing it via software and is actually catching up to what other providers have been doing since Day 1.
said by Guy :

The throttling done by Bell is only on BitTorrent packets and only on certain times of the day.
You certainly do not know what you are talking about.
It used to be that way for a few months i.e. Bell throttling only at peak hours until 2 AM and resuming at 5PM. Now they are throttling 24/7. Only at night the throttling is less tight, but it still exists. And that is what angers me: because the constant throttling basically laid bare the untruthfulness of the fact that a few users are using everyone's bandwidth.
If really 1% used 50% of the bandwidth, why then Bell is throttling at NIGHT, even at 4/5AM, hardly peak hours. Unless Canada has turned into an insomniac land, that's it...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20906120 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 00:47:06 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20879127 sbrook :
said by Guy :

The throttling done by Bell is only on BitTorrent packets and only on certain times of the day.

The figures are outrageous - 1% of the users are utilizing almost 50% of the bandwidth, and this hurts everybody.

While you may not like throttling, other providers throttle via their network architecture naturally, Bell is just doing it via software and is actually catching up to what other providers have been doing since Day 1.
The figures are fabrications by the industry that sells these boxes.

Nope, this software has not been available since day 1. This was a creation of Ellacoya, Sandvine and pCube (now Cisco). It's about service management, not network management. That fact is evident from the very advertising of the pCube SERVICE ENGINEs. The goal is to get users to get them to use the service in a way which is most profitable to the ISP, not to manage the networks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20879127 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:32:38 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20878510 marcbase : Montreal, run from bell, its the worst internet provider on the market trust me, and if you want to stick to bell be within 2km range of their centre if you want to get 3/4 of what you are paying for

switching to videotron]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20878510 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:40:07 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20869093 anon : The throttling done by Bell is only on BitTorrent packets and only on certain times of the day.

The figures are outrageous - 1% of the users are utilizing almost 50% of the bandwidth, and this hurts everybody.

While you may not like throttling, other providers throttle via their network architecture naturally, Bell is just doing it via software and is actually catching up to what other providers have been doing since Day 1.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20869093 Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:21:21 EDT I'll bet most like me don't even know this is happening http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20855591 anon : I'll bet most like me don't even know this is happening.
Just learned about it today when I posted about a 3 month disconnect problem i've been having with sympatatico. Could be why
i keep getting disconnected 3-4 times per day.

Keep posting good info guys.

Thanks]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20855591 Sun, 27 Jul 2008 06:45:36 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20836135 anon : Just got off the support line. -At least they've educated their staff as to what shaping is. However, this doesn't make it feel any better.

It's frustrating that I was forced off of my unlimited download service onto something more expensive. The justification was that the speeds are improved. Now, the speeds are throttled. So, I pay more to get less. I'm off to sign up with Teksavvy and sign up for a 1 year contract with Relakks (Swedish service allows PPTP connection to bypass throttling).

Funny thing is that if I want to pay $10.00 CDN more per month with Bell, I can get 90 GB download cap / month. hmmmmm....let's think about this.

If I sign up with Teksavvy, I get 200 GB per month. Then to get PPTP service to Sweden with Relakks, it's 5 euro / month. I think I know where that extra $10.00 CDN is best spent, don't you?

Also, it'll be interesting to see if Bell Canada starts to throttle VPN (PPTP) connections. -Then they'll piss off the home office / mobile workforce part of the market. -These people are likely also corporate customers who make OPEX & CAPEX decisions in the workplace. -Not sure it's a good strategy for Bell Canada to piss them off too.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20836135 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:41:53 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20760768 DJG666 : Some of us are paying big bucks that should enable a little customer respect.Going down to almost zero speed won't stop us from finding an alternative download.Provider switch is always an option.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20760768 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 19:33:29 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20743975 anon : This is disgusting, I think we should be allowed to do whatever we want with our 'unlimited bandwith' regardless of how the company is doing.

I'totally against this new policy]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20743975 Sat, 05 Jul 2008 00:23:41 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20723303 anon : I have been a sympatico customer for nearly 5 years. Last fall my traffic began to be shaped down to 30/30 for at least half the day, you know the time when normal people are awake. Has effected many things from downloads to online game play over xbox live and even watching videos off of you tube. if a torrent is active i found that sometimes even normal webservices slow to a crawl. unacceptable, screw you bell, called and cancelled today and it felt amazing! for once not calling to get them to fix one of their multitude of billing errors, etc. just a call to say f-u and good bye. i will never go back and am going to switch my phone line as well.

customer service: "all those other companies lie too" "other customers switch then come right back because they hate it" "we control all the lines so they can't offer you a better service" "how about we give you one month free while you take your time to think this over"

bye bye you anti-competitive, anti-consumer, anti-net neutrality conglomerate. i hope a hundred thousand clients drop you! ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20723303 Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:32:47 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20682803 anon : I measured 52 bell cutouts in 2 hours of idle internet. BELL IS HELL]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20682803 Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:49:54 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20635953 Jorge23 : To my dismay, I just entered the dreadful 30/30 club. For the first time tonight I've been officially throttled. I'm trying to download a few movies for a family member since her newly acquired Bell Express Vu dish won't work! One day after they Bell hooked it up it went out and they don't have any T.V for at least the weekend now. And now these guys want to hit me up with this crap? Alright, I was just about to switch my phone to them as well, but now I'll negotiate with Rogers.

Hopefully this is just a one time thing, but if they're squeezing the juice on me at this time, doesn't look good. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20635953 Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:39:08 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20591208 anon : For some reason, Bell feels they have a legal right to do DPI. DPI needs to be outlawed !!!

Here's an e-mail I sent to Bell.

//////////////////////////////////

Mr. Sweeny,

Regarding the letter below, can you please explain...

1) Why only P2P applications are being throttled when a HTTP or FTP file
transfer flow at full speed.
Data flow is data flow. If the point of the exercise is to, as you say,
" ... To ensure optimal use of Internet network resources for all of our
customers ..."
should you not be throttling the overall DSL link speed?

2) Bell doesn't have a legal right to "inspect" a telephone call (
legally warranted wire taps excepted, of course).
Why does Bell feel they have a legal right to inspect ANY data packets.

I fully support congestion and bandwidth management but it needs to be
done without DPI.

I will be watching my inbox for two things.

One, a timely and satisfactory response from you (or your office) to my
questions.

Two, a public announcement that Bell will permanently suspend the use of
DPI. If that comes as a result of directives from the CRTC, so be it.

I've been a satisfied Bell, Bell Mobility, Sympatico and ExpressVu
customer for a long time but please rest assured that in the event I do
not receive a response, I will be, in addition to canceling every single
Bell service, strongly recommending to everyone I know to do the same.

You have two weeks.
//////////////////////////////

The response ...

//////////////////////////////

Thank you for your email. Recently CAIP filed a petition with the CRTC
regarding Bell Canada's GAS service. Bell Canada has responded and CAIP
has replied to our response. All information regarding our GAS service
for Wholesale customers is included in the documentation filed with the
CRTC. Please go to the CRTC web site for complete details.

If you are an owner or an employee of one of our Wholesale customers,
please send us the name of your firm and our sales representative will
be happy to discuss any information about our GAS service with your
firm.

Thanks,
John


John Sweeney
Bell Canada Carrier Services
john.sweeney@bell.ca

/////////////////////

Here's a couple of reasons why Bell is traffic shaping.

1) P2P downloads (typically TV and movies) compete directly with Expressvu ... not good for Bell.

2) VOIP (vonage etc) compete directly with Bell's voice and long distance services ... not good for Bell.

3) Because the ExpressVu arm is tight with the record companies and movie studios, Bell has caved to their moaning about P2P downloads and deployed the DPI boxes.

Sasktel doesn't do DPI ... why? They're not in the content business.

Appropriately, CAIP is focusing their attention on the IMPACT of DPI on themselves and their clients. However the bigger issue is that of the legality of DPI in the first place.

This is really the thin edge of the wedge, people. If an ISP can do DPI to "manage bandwidth" they can use it for all kinds of other arbitrary purposes.

Gotta go ... shopping for alternatives !!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20591208 Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:16:09 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20587697 Pinworm45 : Signing even if it won't do anything.

This traffic shaping makes many games impossible to play. Good luck reinstalling World of Warcraft and updating within a week. That's downloading huge patches at 30kbps. This effects tons of legitimate legal services, and it prevents me and my modding crew from sharing game updates. SOMETHING THAT IS ENTIRELY LEGAL, BY THE WAY. It's just ridiculous. Every service now is pretty much blocked - except, conveniently, Bell's P2p service. I thought it was to deal with congestion, why is their service not blocked? How is that not illegal? How is it legal that I paid for 5mbps and they're DELIBERATELY PREVENTING ME FROM GETTING THE SERVICE I AM PAYING FOR? If the problem was actually congestion, fine, that's understandable. Sort of. I could deal with that. BUT THEY ARE ILLEGALLY PREVENTING ME FROM GETTING THE SERVICE I AM PAYING FOR, NOT TO MENTION SPYING ON ME.

This is not an issue of congestion at all. This is just utterly ridiculous. Their lack of a proper network set up for their alleged network problems is not my problem - why are they making it?

Where is my refund? Where is my money back? If you paid a painter 500$ to paint your house, and they only painted .7% and didn't tell you, would you deal with that? WOULD THAT BE ANYTHING CLOSE TO ACCEPTABLE? WOULD YOU NOT WANT YOUR MONEY BACK OR FOR HIM TO FINISH THE DAMN PROBLEM? THE FACT THAT HE DOESN'T WANT TO, OR HAS PROBLEMS IN HIS LIFE OR DIDN'T BRING ENOUGH PAINT IS NOT YOUR PROBLEM. IT IS NOT YOU WHO HAS TO PAY FOR IT - EITHER HE GIVES YOU MONEY BACK OR FINISHES THE DAMN JOB.

Utterly ridiculous.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20587697 Wed, 04 Jun 2008 00:22:30 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20572348 Al43 : I've been with Sympatico HS for at least 8 or 9 years and generally I've been happy except for the few times I've had to call for support...most of those incidents turned out badly and caused me more grief! I can honestly say that the only good experience I've had is with the Sympatico Direct Forum.

I don't use bit torrent not even sure exactly what it is other than some way of downloading large amounts of data faster. My usage is in the 5 to 8gb range so I don't think I'm a heavy user.

Having said all that I don't agree with Traffic shaping. This all appears to be a smoke screen. I don't understand how bell can claim congestion on the one hand and introduce their own high bandwidth movie download business. If there's all this congestion wouldn't their site magnify the problem? Will movies downloaded from their site be un-throttled?

Anyways add my name to the petition.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20572348 Sun, 01 Jun 2008 10:52:34 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20568647 anon : I just gotta say Bell are tricky with words and are just out for more power and money it has to be stopped sometime somehow.
Thks]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20568647 Sat, 31 May 2008 12:09:40 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20548052 BCBoy : »www.njogaming.com/forum/index.ph···opic=106

got so upset about this topic I started spreading it around

if CAIP wins I'm so off Bell service. Hell, even if they don't, I'm not gonna give Bell MORE money! I'm gonna support the guys that are gonna at least try to put a stop to this underhanded, dirty, cheap, (insert insult here) bull****!!!

thats my petition.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20548052 Tue, 27 May 2008 19:11:45 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20544418 rik : sure count me IN, as far as WHY ???!!!!
just look anywhere on this forum and others on the Internet.

my particular reason is my encrypted SSL/VPN is being
"throttled" all the time by Rogers' no matter what port I try to use.

Therefore, I CAN'T "WORK" ONLINE and becuase I can't do my work I can't afford to pay Rogers' -so now they will lose
all my business forever.

Its back to DSL -for all the "freekin'" good that'll do.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20544418 Tue, 27 May 2008 04:13:19 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20527237 anon : You can count on me for sure to support this petition.

I've been a Sympatico customer for many years, however, the agreement that I had with the rep with whom I discussed was to pay $29.95 per month for an unlimited bandwith, with no contract, and that was exactly what I had.

However, each month or so, I had to call the CSR to remember them that the amount that I had been billed wasn't reflecting the agreement I had with the rep with whom I talked with before and I had to gave them the ticket confirmation number that this rep gave to me in order to finally get a credit applied on my account the next month.

So, at the end of the line, after all these years, I was so tired of having to call Sympatico CSR each month that I finally gave up and told them that I wanted to end my Internet service with them.

Of course, they offered all they could offer to me in order to keep me with them. But I told them that all their offers were useless because each of them was including a cap on my downloads and since I had no contract and I wanted to stay this way, I just couldn't accept to sign a contract with them.

They told me "Sir why are you insisting to end the agreement you have with us since you have an unlimited bandwith with no contract, how can you expect to find anything better anywhere else especially when considering that your traffic almost never raised above 30Gb per month?"

So I told them that no matter where I would go, I was sure that I would not have to call the CSR each month to explain why they over billed me, once more.

Since that time I'm with Uniserve which has a no download limit policy and they charge me just $29.95 per month for this with no contract and guess what, since I'm with them, I never had to call their CSR to have my bill corrected...lolll

Besides, I must add that I knew that Bell and Sympatico were about to implement a traffic monitoring software in order to implement traffic shaping upon their customers who were currently doing P2P.

So, I had to quit before to see my P2P traffic being shaped even if I never really considered as being an alarming bandwith consumer with my low bandwith consumption which has almost always been below 30Gb per month.

However, I never thought that they would be pig enough to implement traffic shaping even on their wholesalers customers...

So, I must tell you that I'm really very angry against Bell and their traffic shaping policies.

But, all this made me realise something.

They can argument all they want to excuse their pig policies but there is one thing for sure that they will have a lot of trouble to defend themself and that's the fact that they're violating all their own customers, plus all the customers of their wholesalers, privacy policy.

No one is allowed to watch and check all our packets in order to determine whether these packets are legal or illegal packets,no one is allowed to do such a thing and that's exactly what Bell are doing.

I'm in Quebec city and tonight, just before to launch uTorrent to download some files from Demonoid, I checked my bandwith to see if everything was allright and I found that I had a steady 5.1Mb of download speed with an upload speed of 675Kb. So I launched utorrent to download a small 599Mb file and given that the download speed was very low, like 30-35 kbps with an upload speed of less than 1kbps, I thought, that's it, here we are, my P2P traffic is being shaped, so, I decided to do some web surfing while my snake download was going on.

However, i discovered that it wasn't just my uTorrent traffic which was being traffic shaped given that none of the web sites that I was trying to check loaded as usual. They were all loading but they were all taking an eternity to load and all of them finally came with an error message saying "Internet Explorer cannot find this page"

So, I had an idea to shutt down uTorrent to see what it would give as a result and that's exactly what I did, I turned off uTorrent and went back to Internet Explorer to check how it would work now and guess what, Internet Explorer worked like it has always worked before and all pages loaded almost instantly.

So, Bell Canada aren't just traffic shaping our P2P pakets, they shape all our traffic once they detect that we're doing a P2P activity or anything alike.

This is totally unacceptable and a direct violation of the privacy policy and I will sign each petition I can find against them and I suggest that everybody does the same thing.

Chris]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20527237 Fri, 23 May 2008 01:48:01 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20522689 anon : This throttling is not only affecting high bandwidth users. Customers who have never heard of peer to peer let alone use it are having their 4 to 5 Mbps reduced to less than dial up speeds in the evenings. Paying for the higher speeds and getting 10 kbps between 7:00 pm and midnight when we are home is more than frustrating. It's certainly a legal issue which will only be resolved if enough people take a stand. It's not just the high bandwidth users who are being affected by this traffic management solution they have put in place. As a side note, Sympatico's email since they have switched to the hotmail platform is a total joke.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20522689 Thu, 22 May 2008 10:35:02 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20473381 anon : Bell Throttling prevents the exchange of educational documents, ISO versions of Open Source Software and Bell's version negatively affects all kinds of protocols other than peer to peer.

It also creates an environment of distrust and is quite frankly probably illegal and if not shoul be.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20473381 Tue, 13 May 2008 00:27:54 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20462800 anon : Go To Hell BELL.... to hell]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20462800 Sat, 10 May 2008 19:40:57 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20458575 anon : :mad:

This is corporate bullying. I pay almost $100/mth for my service and will be downgrading until this is resolved. And until this is resolved, I'm moving my Bell phone lines (I have 4 business and 2 home lines).

Government action is required, and a dismantling of Bell's monopoly over the canadian telecom infrastructure is needed.

My VPN connection is affected, my RDP connection is affected, and my google maps is affected!!!!

I will jump to an alternative ISP WHEN the opportunity arrises.

:mad:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20458575 Fri, 09 May 2008 18:38:04 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20449618 batkinson001 : stop the throttling. Oshawa.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20449618 Thu, 08 May 2008 01:20:51 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20433101 anon : Tired of being lied to by Bell about their lousy service in St. Catharines, Ontario.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20433101 Mon, 05 May 2008 06:34:57 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20423706 anon : I am pissed

When all this shit started i was about break my contract to move from Bell to Teksavyy but i decided not too (avoiding the fees) when i learned that they throttled other ISP as well. I'm still making the move once my contract expires in 2 months though and there is no way in hell that i will ever go back to Sympatico. The service actually was good not long ago when everyone was unlimited and unthrottled but it then turned into complete shit in about 10 months.

Hang your head in shame Bell because everyone hates your guts now. The shit you pulled in inaccaptable and you better put an end to it for your own sakes and reputation (or what's left of it).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20423706 Fri, 02 May 2008 21:49:15 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20408474 mecassa : Kingston ON.. Bell sucks...record profits yet crappier service!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20408474 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:54:28 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20400888 rijswijk :
said by DownWithShaping :

1. By posting in this thread you agree the traffic shaping must stop.
2. Please only post here once
3. Post how this has effected your ability to use legal services

This might be beneficial.

Point of this thread is to get posts, so that those in sympat direct can see it and let the big guys know when the thread becomes worth there time (300+ posts)
throttling @ 30 kbps is an insult plus no unlimited and to top it off raise the price as well. but worse thing is they throttle the 3rd party isp's so they can't compete at all, if crtc allows this then rip DSL and net neutrality]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20400888 Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:24:18 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20399950 anon : I have always upgraded with Bell for to have better speed and always have paid top dollars to get top quality services for many years.

When I was on the 5 meg service, I have notice the new service that you could go up to 7meg. I never ever got up to 7...matter fact I have always and even told the tech support that I felt that I was still ON the 5 meg service. With all the help and some are them were great support could not know what to do anymore. I felt to say it was a way to get the clients off the 5 meg service since it was unlimited bandwidth and get them on the CAP service by offering more speed.

I decided to let it go and just go on with the service. I pay bit more for CAP ...I decided to pay up to 90 gig a month instead. Since I got 3 teenagers in the house...I feel I don't need to say even more what they do online.

I personally download p2p myself to get all the programs I miss to watch it on weekends. Since p2p throttle got on...the speed just go even worst...peek times? I feel the peek in on 24 hours a day.

I am glad now that the CRTC are investigating and I hope it come to a stop. But I feel it does..you can bet they will raise the price by adding a new feature to disappointed you again.
»www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/new···&k=85066
Facebook has over 2000 members that are against it.
Has long Bell control the lines...every little DSL company will be affected by it regardless the service they give. Bell got them by the balls.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20399950 Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:50:05 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20393332 anon : I use to get my full 5 Mb/s. Then I was throttled down to 2.4 Mb/s. I am now throttled down to 1 Mb/s... I've called them numrous times complaining about my slow speeds. I have difficulty browsing ebay and many other sites. I hate looking at pages and seeing 49 items remaining... I'm to receive a call from bell tomorrow morning... If this isn't resolved by the end of this month I'm switching to roger's or 3web. I've had it with bell.$55.00 a month for a 1 Mb/s connection no thanks. John R, Cambridge]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20393332 Sat, 26 Apr 2008 23:16:30 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20387790 moffa : It takes days to download legal linux images using P2P services. While trying to work from home the transfers are extremely slow especially when transferring large amounts of data, and synchronizing my drives.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20387790 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:28:36 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20376824 mike1511 : I'm sick and tired of bell... i think I'm gone to breach my contract and move on]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20376824 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:31:07 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20371228 Kyle775 : Why don't we petition governments or governing bodies to influence legislation. Maybe one day it will be illegal to throttle bandwidth.

Count me in on the bell canada petition against throttling.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20371228 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:33:39 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20357131 anon : Yes this is not fair to all Bell customers. Contacts or services are not respected. Bell should respect a no rules access to internet. Bell is shaping usage and speed (offered by contract or publicity) and by this will police the internet. Who wants that ? Certainly not the public or the ISPs using Bell infrastructure. From a 180KB/s I passed to a 105KB/s and sometimes less speed, this is not for what I paid.
Customer Protection groups where are you ?
Montreal, QC Canada]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20357131 Sun, 20 Apr 2008 00:14:19 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20349787 anon : Very simple system to submit your comment to the CRTC here:
»tinyurl.com/4yn8tv

Join the Campaign!
»tinyurl.com/4yn8tv

In the most significant legal development yet in the effort to ensure Net Neutrality for all, the Canadian Association of Internet Providers has asked the CRTC to instruct the big telecoms to cease and desist in traffic-shaping that is throttling access to the Web. Please join your fellow Canadians in sending a letter to the CRTC to insist that it Stops The Throttlers!

»tinyurl.com/4yn8tv]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20349787 Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:38:23 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20336278 anon :
said by ScytheNoire See Profile :

traffic and anti-competitive actions that Bell have taken are considered illegal in most countries around the world. yet the Canadian government sites idly by while Bell continues their monopoly empire that was built up on the taxpayers dollars.

Bell should be disassembled, they should be forced to give control of all telecommunications lines to the government, who can then sell them out individually, and reimburse all taxpayers out of Bell's wallet.
I couldn't agree more. I read CIAP's (most of it anyway) complaint to the CRTC and no matter how you spin it, Bell broke commitments to both 3rd party ISP's and to the CRTC itself.

I wonder if Bell will even get so much as a wrist slap. I doubt it, while our tax dollars are spent on bureaucrats at the CRTC trying to keep Bell in line.

I say make an example of Bell that the rest of Canada's corporate empires will take notice of. Constant CRTC nonsense to keep them in check is nothing short of government waste. They wouldn't need to be kept in check if they were gutted from the inside out. Sell off their assets and force them to compete.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20336278 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:02:40 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20332127 glaz : I've had so many problems with Bell since 2003 it's not even funny (or worth relisting everything), Bell sucks but monopolies suck worse.

When are we going to have legislation against competition-choking business behavior? That's definitely what Bell is doing to third parties...

(I know... I know... when pigs fly...)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20332127 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:44:37 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20331255 evil_gusgus : ugh im thinking about switching... youtube is blocked =/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20331255 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:02:48 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20330356 ScytheNoire : traffic and anti-competitive actions that Bell have taken are considered illegal in most countries around the world. yet the Canadian government sites idly by while Bell continues their monopoly empire that was built up on the taxpayers dollars.

Bell should be disassembled, they should be forced to give control of all telecommunications lines to the government, who can then sell them out individually, and reimburse all taxpayers out of Bell's wallet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20330356 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 04:29:55 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20330186 root9 : Thanx Rocky,
Truth from the horses mouth sure does make it good and clear :D

You might wana check out:
»I have my sign ready for protest ... do you?
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Fight for your rights or loose them!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20330186 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 02:15:39 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20329911 anon : As soon as I lose this stupid contract they have on my Internet and Cell, I'm out like bread in a toaster. This is total BS. I've been calling them for months about my slow (supposed to be 16mbps) speed and random outages... Speed test works great, but as soon as I try to do stuff my speed drops on all 3 computers in the apartment. WTF is this Bell. Stop trying to be the pirate police, it's not your job and your screwing EVERYONE'S internet. Meanwhile IMA CHARGIN' MAH LAZAH. Sharing my interweb tubes off to show these corporate pigs this Throttling thing is making me worst (if last months 300GB share didn't get the message through).

P.S.: Most of my internet usage is (was) "legal" I still don't consider downloading television shows illegal, I pay for cable like anyone else so if I miss a show I can download it... I paid for it already! Right?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20329911 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 00:15:15 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20326816 DeHackEd : I was throttled to ~30 KB/sec... for a non-bittorrent data transfer - DCC over IRC - to another Bell customer who lives in pretty much the same city as me. BitTorrent was NOT running and has not been running for days or maybe even weeks. How's that for screwed up?
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That's odd...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20326816 Sun, 13 Apr 2008 11:40:24 EDT Bell WiMax is also affected. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20326789 br34k5 : I use bit-torrent (utorrent) maybe once or twice a month so i don't really notice an issue with throttling there...

...What i can't understand is why i get choked out while trying to stream CBC's Hockey Night in Canada (272kbps)while downloading a game from Steam (150-500kbps).

It doesn't happen all the time and just started to occour recently. I actually submitted a ticket here at the direct sympatico forum just after the infamous mid-march shenanigans, not knowing about the issues at the time. That's when my trouble really began.

Most times my connection, which is rated at 3mbit, sails through whatever i throw at it. As long as my total downstream throughput remains under 1mbit everything stays groovy. (which is unacceptable in itself, but i've learned to accept it, for shame.) Exceed that spec and BAM, my HNIC stream is unwatchable and my Steam download caps at 15kbps. And it's not like it's just for a second, I actually have to call tech support and complain before the situation is rectified. Of course, all they tell me to do is to unplug my modem and plug it back in, which i've done 25 times already before contacting them... all the while completely denying any sort of traffic shaping. No solution over the phone, rep tells me to just wait, a team of ten are looking into it... 30 seconds later, bam. Connection restored. Unbelievable.

CRIMINAL!

Of less concern for me, WoW updates now take forever and the GUI mentions that there's a connection problem every time. All pings to all games are up as well.

shame on bell.

Derek Heyworth

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20326789 Sun, 13 Apr 2008 11:33:50 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20321155 Mark Z : Mark in Ottawa

Open pipes please, voluntarily or by regulation.
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God Bless Motorcycles :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20321155 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:45:40 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20318415 jonana : When I signed with Bell 9 years ago ! They told me that the DSL connection is more reliable than the cable (Videotron!), So there will be no congestion that may interfere or may cause any Connection Speed Degradation !
I do not understand What has changed over all these years?
Well, I fully support this petition!

Regards]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20318415 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:15:44 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20318206 phily316 : Add my name to the petiton please

Thanks, Phily
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Writing with a PSP is so long]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20318206 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:38:04 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20316419 anon : Here's another thread petitioning Bell's Internet Shaping. This one is to actually file a complaint on the CRTC website.

»www.redflagdeals.com/forums/show···t6680374]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20316419 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 00:45:52 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20309077 UT_CK : Add my name to the petition.

Regards,
CK
{:(B)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20309077 Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:44:59 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20308773 jeremfg : There is a TV Show of Public affairs in Quebec looking for people to be interviewed in front of the camera. You must speak french, since it's a french TV show.

Interested to tell your bad story about .torrent throttling? email me and I'll give you more information.

That would be a great step, to get a TV Show talk seriously about it... Hope they find someone, or they wont make the show...

By the way, add my name to the petition...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20308773 Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:46:53 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20306163 emerald_b : thats a very good point... for them wholesalers are easy money, but on the other side, I suppose they do need some business of their own.. otw they would not be able to keep the proverbial "smug look on their faces" for lack of a better description. I really do hope you guys win against them and I am rooting for you. Cause otw its only gonna go downhill from here... without a stance, no bell customers (wholesalers or retail) are gonna have a fighting chance at fair service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20306163 Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:47:39 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20302604 shwing : I agree]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20302604 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:08:48 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20301970 anon : I agree with all of you, i think we should all quit bell, pay the penalty and get it over with. Today is the day that i will be doing this. It won't matter anyway, it's almost summer and there's better thing to do then sit at a putter all day.
It's strange though, in the morning i get 600 plus kb/s, early evening i get 29kb/s. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20301970 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 11:20:22 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20300332 anon : I will be canceling my Bell service at the end of this month due solely to the traffic shaping.

Thanks,

Blair Rogers]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20300332 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 00:08:34 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20296447 Guspaz : It would be interesting to see Bell completely drop retail DSL sales and move 100% of their DSL business over to wholesalers. It'll never happen, but it would be neat to see how the marketplace would change.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20296447 Mon, 07 Apr 2008 12:06:48 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20295477 CanadianIron : duplicate post]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20295477 Mon, 07 Apr 2008 08:18:51 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20295300 R0CKY :
said by Torontoa :

Also switch to make Bell lose that $30-50/month, and give that money to ISP (any, not just teksavvy, you pick which u like), and make sure that you inform them that you want fast P2P you pay for, and so on.
This has been the bone of contention for me. I would question if Bell actually makes more money through their retail or through the wholesale relationships.

When you consider that yes, Bell is only getting $20ish from us and the retail is getting around $40ish to $50ish, just what is the +/- on it. When you strip things down with the retail side, after the marketing, win-back efforts, collection costs, Internet traffic costs, etc.... Is the bottom line margin better?

With Wholesale clients like TekSavvy:

- "0" Internet traffic costs
- "0" Marketing costs
- "0" Win-back strategies
- "0" Telemarketing costs
- "0" Consumer troubleshooting costs
- Almost no collection costs
- Almost no troubleshooting at Level 3+ costs
- etc...

To add to this... Specially now that we're starting to be able to bundle with things like Local Phone and Long Distance for Bell and with discussions of possible Satellite resale and such.... I would challenge that we likely, specially after bundling, are kicking the retails side in bottom-line income for Bell. I seriously think if the math was done that they would see we're likely more profitable for Bell on the wholesale side then on the Retail side! A thought Mr. Sabia can likely take to the Bank! ;)
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TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20295300 Mon, 07 Apr 2008 06:33:43 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20295193 anon : Yes, ISP's should form a class action lawsuit against Bell. I have been considering approaching lawyers myself. This is ridiculous monopolizing and competition elimination. I have switched to Bell, and I am happy I don't pay them anymore.

To everyone reading this, if you ARE currently a Bell Customer, do this, as I have.

#1. Call them, tell them that they have misinformed you and that their fast internet/broadband connection is false, and mention throttling.
#2. Then say you wish to cancel the service.
#3. They will try to offer you a "boost" to your connection.
#4. Reject this, tell them that deal doesn't change the situation.
#5. Then they will offer you 1 month free, to continue evaluating their service.
#6. Reject this. (Or accept, then cancel 1 month later.)
#7. If you reject #5, they will offer you 1 year contract at lower price, at $37/month, compared to say $50 a month.
#8 If you reject this, that's it.

So, abuse their CSR system, get that free month, or if you are paying $50, complain and u will get something.

I myself have canceled completely, totally not interested anymore. I am with TekSavvy now who they have unjustly punished so they make TekSavvy lose customers, and to prevent customers leaving because now "all isp's are throttled, so no point switching".

Not TRUE!.

Switch to TekSavvy, and you will pay about $25/month! Big savings over time.

Also switch to make Bell lose that $30-50/month, and give that money to ISP (any, not just teksavvy, you pick which u like), and make sure that you inform them that you want fast P2P you pay for, and so on. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20295193 Mon, 07 Apr 2008 04:46:30 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20293812 TigerLord : Here's to hoping Bell goes bankrupt!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20293812 Sun, 06 Apr 2008 20:46:00 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20290314 anon : It's this simple for me...

I've been lied to... I feel cheated and I've had enough abuse.
My household has been with Bell, In good standing, for close to 50 years now. If things are not resolved to my satisfaction by the end of my current internet contract... I will leave Bell regardless of price. I will not give my money to a Corp. I just can't trust. Further I will be taking my land line too... It's the only and most effective way to make yourself heard....! Bell has no capacity when it comes to serving their customers. You just can't replace customers needs with a couple of stinking beavers. Bell your giving beavers a bad name..!!! Single side open ended contracts are a way to cheat customers and therefore unacceptable. Bell may be a determined dinosaur plodding it's way to extinction but I'll be keeping my money and rejecting that ride.... ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20290314 Sun, 06 Apr 2008 00:44:08 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20273112 nemesisff7 : Having trouble downloading WoW updates and gaming with effectiveness, also downloads seem to be screwed up now

From Sudbury Ontario Canada

I Sign]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20273112 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 21:43:11 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20265892 Verdanice : I'm just so glad that they're finally being protested against by more of the public - average users who are furious that the service they're paying for isn't what they're paying for at all. The reseller throttling is, I hope, going to be the ugly death of that excuse of an ISP.

I've just never despised a company more.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20265892 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:19:32 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20264127 Lambada Dave : Bell, please stop throttling us!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20264127 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:54:10 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20262215 sbrook : Alas, it's not the free market that will do this, it's regulation. If Microsoft had its way, we wouldn't be able to run FF on its OS ... It's anti-trust judgements that ensure that it cannot. That's not the free market at work, that's necessary regulation of anti-competitive activity!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20262215 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:07:01 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20261670 munky99999 : Bell is not going to give a hoot about this. As sbrook says.

What is going to result is Bell getting forced to allow competition. Meaning teksavvy. So no petition is necessary.

The free market will eliminate bell from their refusal to deal. Bell will be overrun like Internet Explorer has by firefox.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20261670 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 01:11:05 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20260397 anon : who are you using now - i am with bell sympatico and my bitorrent & emule traffic is at a crawl]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20260397 Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:47:04 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20251861 Shikomu : Left Sympatico and Bell Phone because of unfair throttling. If they think throttling will help with Congestion my take is 1 less customer will help also. Burlington,Ontario]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20251861 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:08:10 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20251644 batkinson001 : internet surfing has timed out from time to time, latency in wow is usually 190ms (green), with shaping its 243ms (yellow) or higher (red, and very very laggy).

Oshawa, ON.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20251644 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 10:06:28 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20246870 sbrook : More like they didn't want to be investigated!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20246870 Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:55:32 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20244911 Jean_22 : I heard it's because the US converment told them too >_>]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20244911 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:18:01 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243408 sbrook : Comcast's getting rid of throttling as it is now! Goodness knows what they'll replace it with though!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243408 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:57:32 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243190 anon : »www.efluxmedia.com/news_Comcast_···674.html

Comcast's getting rid of their throttling, so maybe Bell will eventually follow suit.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243190 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:23:17 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20235092 Trisomy21 : Dropping my Bell land line and switching to TekSavvy, bye Bell!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20235092 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:55:05 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20234469 theninjasqua : You should just use all that hassle as grounds for them to cancel the contract without paying the early termination fee, and take your business elsewhere. Clearly they are not living up to the contract deal if you have to keep getting them to adjust it.
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-theninjasquad]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20234469 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:27:47 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20232303 anon : Last July a Bell representative called me up and offered me a one year contract for $35/month and I took it. However, every month I had to call them up to correct my bill as they tried to still charge me $50/month. Every month they had to manually correct the bill. Then they tried to charge me for downloading so many GBs of data and I had to call them up to correct that as my contract had no data quantity limitations. I told the representatives that this has been a big hassle and I will definitely be looking for another provider when my contract is up this July. The throttling issue serves as further motivation. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20232303 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:10:19 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20230387 zenohalfway : Once again the corporation as psychopath. It is not surprising behavior from Bell and is the best argument Bell itself could make for regulating it and the cable companies.

I was an Expressvu customer. Contract completed. Service terminated. I will never again subscribe.

I was a Bell mobile customer (my wife's phone). No contract. We will be switching and will never again subscribe to Bell for mobile phone service.

I am affected by Bell's (lack of) service. A download of Ubuntu now is tedious and I must leave running my bittorrent client which in turn slows my system affecting my quality of life because it affects my speech recognition and text-to-speech software that disease and disability require me to use. Yes, I am very angry.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20230387 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:33:31 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20230192 Zenphic : Bell should have mentioned something about this in the contract, or atleast make a official public announcement instead of moving in the shadows and giving a green light to this... The fact that they didn't is unfair.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20230192 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:57:35 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20230081 anon : I'm against it! Bell has lost me as a customer! mitch krol, montreal]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20230081 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:40:49 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20228709 anon : What bell is doing especially to third party isp's should be illegal.

I have a connection from bell on my main line and teksavvy on my fax line. I am VERY angry at bell shaping my teksavvy connection as I now have no other isp to turn to.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20228709 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:33:10 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20224899 anon : This crap I pay $50 a month to have unlimited Downloads.
Now they want to cap and cut my service but still want me to pay $50.00 a month.

I play a lot of online gaming last night was the worst, Normally i get a ping of 30 to 50 depends on the server i play on, I'm playing a game called Urban Terror, One of the servers i play on has a ping of 12, my ping was 225 i had so much lag i was kicked from the server. And over the weekend my ping was 135.

I live in Toronto, Yonge and Eglinton area.
This is just BS.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20224899 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:22:09 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222861 Quiane : Bit Torrent throttling prevents many "legal" activities...
including downloading updates for my ubuntu desktop, patching my WOW. Many more examples.
Also, since this throttling has begun i've noticed a lot of problems with network latency and line speed not being consistant.
Not to mention paying for a service and only getting 5% of what you're paying for. Brutal.
No, i'm not a bell customer (anymore), but with the current practice of throttling wholesalers, i'm now being affected.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222861 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:49:18 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20215313 andy7 : During the last six months Bell has gone from good to bad to worst.I find that with everything else that is affected flash player doesn't work very well for me since this all started.I live in the Brampton area.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20215313 Mon, 24 Mar 2008 02:17:20 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20211796 anon : Scarborough-Markham area, Bell throttling sucks balls.Ed]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20211796 Sun, 23 Mar 2008 11:16:50 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20209167 anon : Bells new rules of a 2gb cap are un fair as anyone can use that 2gb a month and the next up package is 60 gb how is that fair they are raping the masses]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20209167 Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:36:02 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20205251 andyb : Bell sucks these days.I sign up.Brantford]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20205251 Fri, 21 Mar 2008 22:30:58 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20205084 Rastan : Bell is evil. They're now even throttling those who subscribe to other DSL providers. I hope their stock plunges.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20205084 Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:52:55 EDT Re: Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20202950 sbrook : First ... I don't see what an "Unofficial petition" means.

Second ... Online petitions historically don't carry any weight, and worse, monopolies don't give a darn about them anyway.

Third ... This is primarily a repeat of the hundreds of other posts in here but hey what the heck let's see how it goes ...

So here's the rules ...

1 posting per person ... any evidence of dupes will be removed and if you're anon, you must post from Bell.

Limit your comments to a few lines only.

Include your location by City (or part of City ... like East York, Scarborough etc.)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20202950 Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:38:55 EDT Un-Offical Stop the Traffic Shaping Petition http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20201830 anon : 1. By posting in this thread you agree the traffic shaping must stop.
2. Please only post here once
3. Post how this has effected your ability to use legal services

This might be beneficial.

Point of this thread is to get posts, so that those in sympat direct can see it and let the big guys know when the thread becomes worth there time (300+ posts)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20201830 Fri, 21 Mar 2008 11:33:10 EDT