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Re: Taxes
Whether or not state spending has increased is a different matter. The question you FIRST POSED and now are backtracking on is whether or not states are in financial debt. You offered me ONE ISOLATED example. I then proceeded to explain how your stance is wrong. Now as for increased state spending, um YA, it will be more every year. It's called INFLATION. Prices rise and things go up in price. The same services that once cost x amount now cost Y. So 10 dollars five years ago might take 15 dollars now. It doesn't mean the states are being irresonsible, it just means they have two choices. 1) Make cut backs to afford the same service 2) raise taxes. It's called common sense. |
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pnh102
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said by jc100  :Smiles and Nods over and over in a patronizing manner.... and of course one isolated state and their mismanagement speaks for the other 49, right? Actually, yes. You can go find for yourself that state spending has increased at a rate opposite freefall in the past 15 years.
said by jc100 : If you bothered to read my post ... I did, it was incorrect.
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jc100
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Smiles and Nods over and over in a patronizing manner.... and of course one isolated state and their mismanagement speaks for the other 49, right? If you bothered to read my post, I believe the federal government should only tax 1-2 percent with it ONLY being allowed on defense, trade, and printing money. The rest of the money SHOULD stay within the state and if they mismanage it, tough luck. No one should bail them out. It's their citizens job to elect responsible people and hold bad officials accountable. I don't justify Maryland's bad actions but on the same breath, its only ONE state out of 49. With that said, look at my chart of WHO RECEIVES the MOST federal dollars. RED STATES (Republican) who claim to be the fiscally conservative, with the south being the MAJORITY. Thereby, they pay the least but receive the most!! My point stands, look at places like California and New York and compare their spending to dollars received. It's no wonder they have cutbacks. They get less than a dollar for every one they stick into the pot. |
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jc100
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Pretty much summed up in a nutshell. |
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said by jc100 :States haven't had to cut programs due to smaller budgets. It's all made up and a figment of our imaginations. Well let's look at Maryland as an example. When the new governor took office in 2007, the state was actually running a $500 million budget surplus. What does our governor decide to do? He submits a budget that contains nearly $2 billion in new spending and the legislature raises taxes bu $1.3 billion.
Was the new spending really needed? Maryland seemed to be getting along just fine without it. If times are so "tough" then why wasn't a more austere budget proposed instead? Perhaps Maryland could have cut its budget, as you claim many other states have had to do, to deal with the alleged "shortfall."
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jc100
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PNH,
Sigh. You're wrong but hey let's for the sake of it just pretend you're right. You rarely if ever are, but since this will turn into another round robin, I concede. States haven't had funds cut as the Federal Government re-allocates their money. The Federal Government hasn't squandered money in record numbers either overseas. States haven't had to cut programs due to smaller budgets. It's all made up and a figment of our imaginations. Obviously, inflation and rising prices don't factor into the process either. Ten dollars now isn't the same as twenty years ago. But hey, I'm 100 percent wrong. Make you happy? Probably, since the truth and facts aren't in your vocabulary. Therefore, I'll just write what you want to hear. You wouldn't care to google anyway or read what I researched so I won't bother replying again. |
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said by jc100 :PNH read this slowly. Your habit of reading and typing don't go hand in hand. You ever wonder why so many of your posts end up in the holding queue?
said by jc100 :THE RATE AT WHICH STATED RECEIVE IT GETS CUT. Completely wrong. The federal government literally has more money than God, and continues to receive more money each year than it had in the last year. Spending also always increases every year whether the feds have the money or not. And the federal government always finds new ways to spend money. Each state's slice of the federal pie also always increases every year.
This has been true for the past 230 years.
The same is true of most states and local governments. However, they seem more willing to reflexively raise taxes on everyone when they decide to spend more than what they happen to take in during a particular year.
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jc100
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PNH read this slowly. Your habit of reading and typing don't go hand in hand. Federal money is NOT CUT at the rate it is collected. THE RATE AT WHICH STATED RECEIVE IT GETS CUT. IE right now we're pissing MONEY AWAY in Iraq, 1 trillion to be frank. Therefore, states are GETTING LESS FEDERAL DOLLARS, even though they put in to the pot. Basically, money is going out the door into a general fund, and what they receive back is limited. Therefore, if X programs are funded by these dollars, they are forced to make cutbacks. Essentially, the issue NY is now facing. Understand? |
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said by jc100 :Strange enough, if one looks at the history since our national debt, it's been those "Fiscally Conservative" Republicans who have basically wracked it up. It isn't really all that strange when you consider that the only difference between a Republican and a Democrat is that a Democrat tax and spends whereas a Republican borrows and spends.
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said by pnh102 :What cuts? The federal government has never cut spending in the past 230 years. Every year the federal government spends more than it did in the previous year. Some people refer to reduced increases as "cuts". But you already knew that. |
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said by jc100 :You are missing the point. NY suffers from what all other states are going through, a cutback in federal dollars. What cuts? The federal government has never cut spending in the past 230 years. Every year the federal government spends more than it did in the previous year.
said by jc100 :We've pissed away over 1 trillion in Iraq. How does that relate to the fact that NYS has decided to spend $4.6 trillion more than it collects in taxes? The federal government plays no role in how states spend their tax money.
said by jc100 : Strange enough, if one looks at the history since our national debt, it's been those "Fiscally Conservative" Republicans who have basically wracked it up. Agreed.
said by jc100 :Therefore, when their federal dollars get cut, they are left with the options they face now. 1) Raise taxes and piss people off 2) Cut needed services and piss people off. Since federal dollars never get cut, there is a 3rd option. States should quit finding new ways to spend peoples' money.
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jc100
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You are missing the point. NY suffers from what all other states are going through, a cutback in federal dollars. We've pissed away over 1 trillion in Iraq. Bush and his Republican Congress spent around 5 before the Democrats took office. Strange enough, if one looks at the history since our national debt, it's been those "Fiscally Conservative" Republicans who have basically wracked it up. Unfortunately, the losers are the states needing the money for better things. At this present time, those slush funds are going to fight this B.S. war on terror and whatever other crap this administration can fathom. Basically, NY only has so much money, as does the other 49 states. Therefore, when their federal dollars get cut, they are left with the options they face now. 1) Raise taxes and piss people off 2) Cut needed services and piss people off. Hopefully, there are some redundant programs somewhere so that these cuts will effect few people. |
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I don't think NY has blown up anyone or invaded any countries, at least not recently, so there is probably not much that can be saved there. But it would be interesting to know what "non-essentials" are getting the most tax dollars from the state.
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jc100
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No if schools budgets are cut, you'll end up like Mr Retardenator running California. A 4 billion dollar deficit where he decided the cuts come from education. All that does is increase class sizes, means teacher layoffs, and your children get a worse education. Anyone with common sense know education is the one way to reduce crime and poverty (except politicians). It seems we have AMPLE MONEY to blow everyone up or invade countries, but not enough to fund our cities and schools. Amazing how that works. I guess children are only the future in times of surplus. I hope for NY's sake you don't face cuts at the school level. However, my bets are on that as it's the typical slush fund account. |
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New Hampshire is looking better and better every day.....  |
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brooklynman4
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Either way they figure we got our tax rebate checks they will take advantage of our tax money. |
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| Either way, we are going to be paying for this through higher taxes. If the state cuts funding for local governments, they already have their budgets in place and counting on state funding, local property taxes will go up. If by chance, school aid is cut, school taxes will go up.
With the economy the way it is, the taxpayers just can't afford more taxes. I can see even more businesses and people leaving the state.
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