garmst
join:2000-09-17
New York, NY
 ·Speakeasy
| Cut welfare spending
NYState is largely in this mess because it has decided to be a Welfare State rather than a Work State. Out of control retirement benefits costs are also breaking the bank.
The high taxes do not attract business investment and are encouraging the export of business and workers (Taxpayers?) to low cost states such as Texas.
Sadly NYState knows this but has decided it is easier tax the hell out of those who choose to remain. Tax them until the ship sinks.
One's only way out is to leave the state before they tax your pants off you! |
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jc100
join:2002-04-10
| Contrary to the southern states who then take money from the Northern one's and fund said entities from our pockets? I say to hell with federal taxes and let states handle their own. Federal taxes should be a minimal amount that can be only used for defense and NOTHING ELSE. States should be left with funding their OWN:
1) ROADS
2) SCHOOLS
3) EMERGENCY PERSONNEL
4) Hospitals
IE let states levy a fair tax and use the money accordingly. This way, no one has anyone else to blame when things go belly up. Read above to why NY and others are in this mess. Its simply because t hose federal dollars they typically receive go ELSEWHERE. A large portion of those federal dollars collected from the NORTH (HIGHEST PAYING STATES), go back to the SOUTH (LEAST PAYING STATES). Couple with with the massive trillions being pissed overseas and on pet projects (5 Trillion alone under Bush), and one can see why states are cringing. If it isn't obvious to you, then maybe you need to study a little economic and politics. |
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amarryat
Verizon FiOS
join:2005-05-02
Marshfield, MA
 ·Verizon FIOS
| said by jc100  :Contrary to the southern states who then take money from the Northern one's and fund said entities from our pockets? You have been spewing quite a bit of unsubstantiated BS above. For one, please explain how southern states are taking money from northern ones.
Property taxes are the primary source of funding for public schools. "Mr. Retardenator" as you obnoxiously referred to him has no control over the local tax burden. |
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jc100
join:2002-04-10
1 edit | I posted a reply. Ill repost if it doesnt appear, not sure if it hit the moderated que. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
 ·Comcast
| reply to jc100
said by jc100 :Contrary to the southern states who then take money from the Northern one's and fund said entities from our pockets? I say to hell with federal taxes and let states handle their own. What do you say to states like NJ and NY who want the federal government to spend more on SCHIP so that 26 year old "children" in families making up to $82k a year can get taxpayer-provided health insurance? Isn't this unfair to the other states?
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This isn't fair! I was only supposed to hate just ONE presidential candidate! |
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jc100
join:2002-04-10
1 edit | reply to amarryat
Well apparently I didn't hit enter and it had nothing to do with moderating... Anyhow, some of us RESEARCH and spit the truth. The only crap flowing right now is from you who seems to be making unfounded allegations. Take a gander at this map. You'll so kindly notice that a LARGE MAJORITY of states receiving more than they pay are in the south. Furthermore, MOST are Republican states who advocate for "less government" HAH.. Funny.. Yes, there are SOME EXCEPTIONS. However, it's pretty much a 2:1 ratio for South to North though. I don't count better lobbyists as a huge windfall. Basically, the North gets stuck floating the freeloaders down south. If it were up to me you all would have to pay your own bills. Basically put:
Money would state within the state ALONE. Federal dollars would be a 1-2 percent tax that would ONLY be allowed for Defense issues and Facilitating Trade. Therefore, the majority of taxes collected STAY within the state and ONLY within the state. As a result, if that state screws its budget, there is no one to blame but the person /people in charge. Citizens then can hold him / her / them accountable. This way, dollars don't go to those who do not deserve.
See here:
»taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog···eed.html
»www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/1397.html |
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amarryat
Verizon FiOS
join:2005-05-02
Marshfield, MA | Your charts, aside from being outdated, are also virtually irrelevant. Those "freeloader" states as you put it have tiny populations. Tiny Massachusetts has over double the population of New Mexico. |
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jc100
join:2002-04-10
| They are a few years old, granted. However, resources when citing are relevant for up to 6 years as I was taught. While this might not be the MOST UP TO DATE, it is only 3.5 years old. Let's assume some has been adjusted, I bet it isn't that significant. Second, What the heck are you talking about? Population is insignificant. Money SHOULD BE GIVEN based upon need. Smaller populations NEED LESS MONEY. RIGHT? Therefore, that argument goes by the wayside. A matter of fact, you just brought up a good point. Why are places with less people DEMANDING more money that more heavily populated states? Seems a bit odd to me. While it might cost a drop more to service rural communities, I HIGHLY doubt it costs nearly double. Therefore, try again. It's quite clear Red states are the WORST offenders here with the SOUTH being the majority of the crooks. |
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amarryat
Verizon FiOS
join:2005-05-02
Marshfield, MA
·Verizon FIOS
| said by jc100 :Population is insignificant. Money SHOULD BE GIVEN based upon need. Smaller populations NEED LESS MONEY. RIGHT? I hope your obvious wish that my country become socialist/communist doesn't ever happen. |
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jc100
join:2002-04-10
| Actually am, that has NOTHING to do with socialism. If anything, that is the antithesis of it. More or less I believe money states collect should stay WITHIN the state ONLY. Meaning, why the hell are these small western states receiving SUCH HUGE SUMS of money from everyone else? That' IS SOCIALISM BUDDY. We are SOCIALIZING these states by giving them more taxes than everyone else. Better yet, OUR DOLLARS are directly funding ANOTHER STATES programs. My idea is each state uses WHAT IT TAKES IN. NO MORE NO LESS. By the way, since you hate socialism so much, DON'T send your kids to school. Tax payers SOCIALIZE that cost as t he state receives federal dollars currently. DON'T use hospitals (public). They receive federal dollars. DON'T EVER CALL 911, The Police, Firefighters, etc. They receive federal dollars. Best of all, DON'T drive on highways. They were paid for by federal dollars too. So I guess since you hate socialism you can pay AL LA CARTE for each service. Next time you need a doctor, ask the going rate for one to come to your house (pending one will). Build your own roads. Teach your own kids... Etc etc |
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