Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? in Audio/Video Chat http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20214081 en Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:33:05 EDT Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:33:05 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20354675 cissado : Boulderhill1, have you tried using a calibration DVD to improve PQ? They cost about $30 and you can get pretty close to perfect without having it professionally calibrated. Even if you don't like the results, you can tweak them from there.

I just helped my sister choose the Panasonic 50px80u today. I've also heard a lot of great things about the Panasonic line of plasmas. Great price, especially for her first HDTV. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20354675 Sat, 19 Apr 2008 13:43:45 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20298961 timcuth :
said by Steely See Profile :

BTW I don't think those Pioneers necessarily went unnoticed. More than likely their relatively high prices made shoppers on a budget look elsewhere for value.
Bingo! I could not justify paying $5000 or more for a Pioneer Kuro when the Panasonic looked at least 99% as good for $2200. I have always had a preference Pioneer audio and video equipment, but that was just too, too much.

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These days, differences between similarly priced sets are much more subtle, and picture quality ranges from good to excellent. Very few sets, if any, are unwatchable. Yes, it's subjective, but even the least expensive HDTV's today have a more-than-decent picture quality. Even those cheap Maxents. ;)

BTW I don't think those Pioneers necessarily went unnoticed. More than likely their relatively high prices made shoppers on a budget look elsewhere for value.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20298824 Mon, 07 Apr 2008 19:07:31 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20298422 anon : Eh? I don't think so. 'Great' is very subjective. If you take a serious look at the extremely poor PQ of junk HDTVs like Maxent (one example), you will think again when you place it next to even one of the newer plasma panels. I'm shocked at how many people walked out with Panny panels last year when amazing sets like the Pio Kuro were sitting there practically unnoticed @ places like BB, etc. They just couldn't get past the idea that a 720p set could provide superior PQ than something w/ 1080p, or got it in their heads that what you saw in the store was how it would look at home....

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quote:
And the truth is that almost all HDTV's sold today are great....even the cheap off-brand ones.
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said by wings10 See Profile :

It only matters what you think and enjoy.
Really, it all comes down to that. And the truth is that almost all HDTV's sold today are great....even the cheap off-brand ones. Unless you happen to get a lemon, it's hard to go too far wrong with whatever TV you buy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20288158 Sat, 05 Apr 2008 15:34:03 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20287588 Bubba1 : Well, after the recent LCD (family-room) purchase, we've relocated the old 36" Mitsubishi SD/tube TV (must be over 20 years old .. still has a great picture!) into the living-room. Course, the 26" tube TV it displaced went to a guest bedroom.

And, based on this thread, I will consider plasma for our next (not too distant) purchase to replace the Mitsubishi.

Very early (one can tell from my prior questions) I locked onto LCD and, very focused, proceeded. I didn't look back. In my mind still, just last month, plasma's (all except the very expensive units) were mostly all 720p with smaller screen dimensions. They suffered screen burn-in problems and were, overall, inferior compared to LCDs in product dependability. I was wrong. :) ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20287588 Sat, 05 Apr 2008 13:15:50 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20287080 wings10 :
said by KickMe See Profile :

Let's face it, these are personal choices and people will defend their choice. There are good points with every flat panel and most of us would be happy with quite a few of them.

Very true. The only thing to really watch for in the lower price models is they may go cheap on other parts. The display might all be made/come from one source but it is parts like power supplies that end up being cheap and fail in a short time. Best thing is to read up on reviews and check out the units in the shop and then buy the one that you like and can afford. It only matters what you think and enjoy.
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"Consumer Reports" repair records are based on nearly 75,000 reader responses to their annual questionnaire and that is very helpful in making a decision. If you consider the expense and trouble of getting one of these repaired or even looked at, it can be invaluable. They break down the percent needing repairs this way:
Panasonic 2%
Pioneer 3%
Samsung 5%
Phillips 8%
(not a large enough sample to evaluate other brands).

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20286794 Sat, 05 Apr 2008 10:25:24 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20286652 jmacd27 :
said by BillTager See Profile :

I just ordered a Samsung 50" Plasma (t5084) for $1764. It's scheduled to be delivered next Thursday. I can't wait. It's gotten excellent reviews over at AVSForums and elsewhere.

One of the main reason I went with the Samsung over the Pioneer or Panasonic equivalent is the fact that the Samsung accepts 1080p signals over component; not to mention the price was significantly less than the Panasonic or Pioneer models of the same size.
I hope you enjoy your set. I have the larger 58" version of your set, the FP-T5884. I looked at the Panny and Pioneers and couldn't justify the higher costs for those sets. I do think the 60" Pioneer was nice, but had yellow tinted whites when displaying a lot of white. This is a big issue since I watch a lot of hockey. The Panny 58" didn't to me have a nicer picture and was at the time a $200 more than the Sammy set. Add in the 2 year warranty and the decision was easy for me and I have had no regrets. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20286652 Sat, 05 Apr 2008 09:37:51 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20285984 Steely :
said by BillTager See Profile :

I prefer real user reports.

Also, how many of the twenty tested were 1080p sets with three HDMI inputs; and accepted 1080p over component? Got a link to the article? I'd love to read it.
Dude, I don't really want to make this a pissing match so I'm keeping my personal opinions of the Panasonic plasmas to myself from here on out and just citing Internet sources. I'm sure your plasma is everything you want it to be and was a great value.

To address two of your questions:
Some of the Panasonics have three HDMI inputs and some have two. Mine happens to have two although I only need one. Also, I have absolutely zero need for 1080p over the component inputs. So both of your concerns are moot points for me...and probably other people as well.

As for your "real user reviews" comment, don't embarrass yourself. The very first post in the AVS thread YOU pointed me to links to a CNET page I had never looked at before. On that page, CNET editors gave your Samsung an 8.0 out of 10, and CNET users (let's assume they're "real" users) gave it an 8.1 out of 10. Pretty good, but a similar pool of CNET users ("real" users too?) gave my Panny TH-50PZ77U an 8.8 out of 10. Unfortunately, the CNET editors didn't fully review the TH-50PZ77U, but they did review the cheaper TH-50PX77U which is identical in every way except for a native display of only 720p. And even with that relatively inferior 720p resolution, that Panasonic model managed an 8.0 out of 10 from CNET editors - the same score as your 1080p Sammy - and CNET users ("real" users?) awarded it 8.7 out of 10 points, trumping your 8.1. So thank you for posting that AVS link to try to support your argument...which actually accomplished the complete opposite by bolstering my position. ;-)

The Consumer Reports plasma reviews you asked me to point you to are HERE but you have to be a paid subscriber to see them. The description for your model (ranked #17, overall score of 68) was as follows:

Highs
Very good picture quality across the board. Makes the most of its 1080p resolution, reproducing very fine detail. Deep, stable blacks don't vary in brightness with different types of content. Its high-definition film-mode operation did a good job eliminating jagged edges--"jaggies"--in movies and other film-based content. On-screen menu is very easy to navigate. Has built-in features that allow the TV to be connected to a home network. Longer than usual (24-month) parts and labor warranty.

Lows
Image is not as bright as the better plasmas and is slightly lacking in contrast. In the darkest scenes, images were grainy and unnatural-looking.

Bottom Line
This Samsung set, which comes with a swivel stand, has very good picture quality with great detail and deep blacks.

You should know that two other Samsung 50" plasma models scored significantly higher than your model.

There were three "real" user reviews there too. Two folks gave it 4 out of 5 stars and one user gave it 5 out of 5.

Here's the CR synopsis of my Panasonic (#3 in their rankings, overall score of 80):

Highs
Excellent picture quality on all types of programs: HD, SD and DVDs. Top-notch detail squeezes the most from HD programs. Colors were very accurate, and contrast was very good, giving images depth and dimension. Very good black levels, though depth was slightly dependent on the overall brightness of program content. With HD and SD programs, very good reproduction of scenes with subtly shaded light-to-dark areas. Excellent high-definition film-mode operation effectively eliminates jagged edges--"jaggies"--on movie content. Has a GalleryPlayer feature that allows high-def artwork to be loaded onto an SD card and displayed on the TV.

Lows
Brightness levels were generally fine, though not as bright as some that are better suited for brightly lit rooms. Black levels were generally good with DVDs and SD fare, though a bit bright on the darkest scenes. With DVDs, some banding was visible on scenes with subtly shaded light-to-dark areas. Lacks separate RGB-level adjustments. Has just two HDMI inputs, one fewer than some HDTVs

Bottom Line
Another excellent well-priced 1080p plasma from Panasonic, this model sets a new price/performance benchmark.

There are no CR user reviews available...however...Circuit City, Best Buy and Amazon users all give it (or gave it) a 4.5 or 5 out of 5.

Those are the reviews and rankings I found online, devoid of personal bias. In spite of all that, if you need 3 HDMI inputs and 1080p over component, I guess my Panasonic model is not the one for you. Enjoy your Samsung.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20285984 Sat, 05 Apr 2008 01:29:48 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20284895 grobinette :
said by wings10 See Profile :

How about their 150". :)
Can you wall mount that bad boy?
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Also, how many of the twenty tested were 1080p sets with three HDMI inputs; and accepted 1080p over component? Got a link to the article? I'd love to read it.
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said by BillTager See Profile :

I just ordered a Samsung 50" Plasma (t5084) for $1764.....the price was significantly less than the Panasonic or Pioneer models of the same size.
I paid $1750 for my 50" 1080p Panasonic TH-50PZ77U (it has an awesome anti-reflection screen) a couple of weeks ago. It's now going for $1688 at a couple of regional NJ chain stores.

FYI, out of the twenty 50" plasmas tested and rated by Consumer Reports, the Samsung FP-T5084 ranks 17th with an overall score of 68. One Pioneer and two Panasonics make up the top three spots with scores ranging from 80 to 84.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20283730 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:19:14 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20281583 BillTager : I just ordered a Samsung 50" Plasma (t5084) for $1764. It's scheduled to be delivered next Thursday. I can't wait. It's gotten excellent reviews over at AVSForums and elsewhere.

One of the main reason I went with the Samsung over the Pioneer or Panasonic equivalent is the fact that the Samsung accepts 1080p signals over component; not to mention the price was significantly less than the Panasonic or Pioneer models of the same size.
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I want to ask you what settings are you using for your panasonics? I have been tweaking alot and altough the picture is signifigantly better I think it could be better yet.
With the Philips set, When I would watch Jay Leno doing his monologue you could see the pores on his face and the detail of the fabric of his suit. This kind of detail is not visible on this set. The skin looks kinda pastey and painted while the black of his suit is varying levels of blacks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20275634 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 10:42:30 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20274945 wings10 : Yea picture quality is all so subjective. I only had to make some minor adjustments for both my Panasonic's to get the Picture clear and sharp. Quite simple really.

Imaging if the poster bought one of those really high end $8,000 plasma's like they sell in the Magnolia room at Best Buy. ;)
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said by BoulderHill1 See Profile :

I understand what professional calibration (ISF) is about and what it does. However as a consumer, it seems really crappy that in addition spending a large amount of money on a TV you also need to spend more to get it to display nicely.
I didn't expect such an offer. "We'll take your new TV out of the box, calibrate it for perfect picture, reinstall it back into the original packaging (you won't be able to tell it was even opened!)." I've tried to remember the price .. I think it was in the $125 to $175 range, at Circuit City.

Nah .. thanks, I said .. I'll fiddle with it myself.

Indeed, I cannot imagine a more, right out of the box, "perfect picture" than what the Sony 52XBR4 is displaying.

Anyway, picture quality is all so subjective. What we like may look like crap to someone else.
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No harm no foul. There are some budget plasma's on sale at Best Buy.
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said by wings10 See Profile :

said by BoulderHill1 See Profile :

I would have to say that I am pleased with the Panasonic but as far as features and the way the setup menu works the Philips was hands down far superior. Too bad they don't build that quality into the reliability of their product.
That's why Philips is cheap and not very good. (far superior? LOL) Do you want something simple or something with quality? The Panasonic is a "Big Boy" Plasma. Not a toy. You have moved up. ;)

If not return it and go for the budget crap.
That is correct. The "Big Boy’s" expect you to want to experience the high quality of their TV with either a professional calibration or at the very least, using the AVIA or Digital Video Essentials DVD and a set of color filters (a blue one at a minimum) to calibrate. Certainly not some half a$$ed attempt to calibrate by asking which side looks better to you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20269619 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:12:41 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20269142 wings10 :
said by BoulderHill1 See Profile :

I would have to say that I am pleased with the Panasonic but as far as features and the way the setup menu works the Philips was hands down far superior. Too bad they don't build that quality into the reliability of their product.
That's why Philips is cheap and not very good. (far superior? LOL) Do you want something simple or something with quality? The Panasonic is a "Big Boy" Plasma. Not a toy. You have moved up. ;)

If not return it and go for the budget crap.
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said by Steely See Profile :

said by Vistaluvr :

*drool* at Contrast Ratio.
Maybe.

I couldn't help but notice this Amazon user review for the TH-50PZ85U (one of the new 2008 models) and specifically what was said regarding contrast ratio...
quote:
I was really excited about the improved contrast ratio because on paper it was such a huge jump over last years model but after getting it set up and watching it side by side with my TH-50PZ77u, I have to say it looks almost exactly the same. I played several Blu ray movies (Cars, Casino Royale...etc), test patterns and solid color screenshots and they were no differences to my eyes. In some instances, the blacks were more detailed on my TH-50PZ77u.


In fairness to context I would suggest reading the entire review. I know it's just one observer and it's not very scientific, but salespersons in more than one store I was checking out TV's in told me that some of the advertised specs, especially contrast ratios, were often exaggerated and not necessarily accurate or in any way standardized.
It sounds like his old TV is calibrated (factory) better than the new one. Once ISF calibration is done, there should be more details, even in dark areas. There's no TV (even same make/model) that looks exactly the same. Plus eyes are different from person to person. There are alot of things I could see in a display that most could not. I guess having a 30,000:1 gives me piece of mind that it'll display true black. I'd never look at a TV with Dynamic Contrast ratio in mind though since it actually brightens/darkens the display - can be annoying if you look for it or know what to look for.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20263613 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:43:48 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20261815 BoulderHill1 : Don't get me wrong, as I originally asked in this topic, reliability was my biggest concern. When I spend this kind of money an electronic item, or anything really, it needs to work. And it needs to work for a signifigant amount of time. This was something that the Philips product did not seem to be able to deliver. The picture was great as were the features, but what good is it if the TV just stops working. Perhaps I got spoiled with the Automatic format on the Philips. Like I said it was great for channel surfing. I would never choose AUTO for DVD or other source viewing, Iwould instead choose the proper format for the material. With all that said I am much more confident that the Panasonic hanging on my wall to be there for a long time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20261815 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 02:02:32 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20261792 BoulderHill1 : CAble or Satelitte really doesn't figure into this. Yes I a using OTA and get great reception. I have programmed out all of the analog stations from the channel lineup so I am only tuning digital (ATSC). It really has to do with each individual programs aspect ratio and wanting to fill the screen as much of the time as possible. On the Philips this just happened automatically but with this set I would need to change format everytime I change the channel.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20261792 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 01:53:19 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20261776 BoulderHill1 : I guess my biggest concern is the black pillarbox bars and image retention. The owners guide seems to make such a big deal about that. When I set the format to FULL it displays everything in the ratio it is being broadcast in. So example this evening I watched Letterman on channel 2.1 which is broadcast widescreen 16x9. It is being displayed properly because it is set to FULL. But the Next program with Casey Fergusen is broadcast 4x3 and is displayed pillarboxed with blackbars on the left and right. Now I could change the format to JUST or H-FILL and fill the screen but if I change channels to NBC to see Conan O'Brien now the picture goes off the screen on the left and right because his show is broadcast widescreen 16x9 format. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20261776 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 01:47:43 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20261730 BoulderHill1 : I also know how to use the different formats the tv has to display certain material better than my old 35" tube crt did. Example, I have a fairly large Laserdisc (yes the 12inch laserdiscs, remember them?)collection. Many of these are "widescreen" which really is letterboxed in a 4x3 format. When played on your old CRT tv you would of course have the movie appearing with the black bars on top and bottom with the picture extending completly from side to side. Playing the same laserdisc on the plasma display in a 4x3 zoomed format almost completely fills the screen. This is because the letterboxed image is displayed "pillarboxed" on the 16x9 screen. Then zooming in enlrges that which in turn pushes the black bars off the screen. Same could be done with a letterboxed VHS tape.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20261730 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 01:31:31 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20261694 BoulderHill1 : Yes the set stays in the aspect ratio I choose. If I set it to full on channel 5 and then change to chanel 11 it is still on full. I find that "full" seems to display just about everything in its proper ratio. And yes I do understand that letterboxed material will still have black bars top and bottom. Actually I do have a very good understanding of all different aspects of this stuff. Such as DTV (digital television) is not the same as HDTV (high definition television). One being the method by which a signal is deleivered to the tv set and the other is the resolution of the picture. Higher resolution = sharper picture.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20261694 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 01:19:03 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20261249 wings10 :
said by BoulderHill1 See Profile :

Thats just it Wings, I've been tweaking all weekend and can't seem to find the optimum settings. Settings that work well on one program seem to be less than desirable on another. Like this example: Say I tune into Channel 5.1 NBC and adjust the picture settins to PICTURE +75, BRIGHTNESS +55, COLOR +50, TINT 0, SHARPNESS +60. All looks good, but then if I change the channel to 26.1 WCIU the U, things look pastey and on another channel it may look flat/weak. If I then adjust the settings on a "pastey" channel then another will be overpowering. Perhaps I just need to find a middle ground.
Since your watching Off Air each channel will be a bit different.

Get HD Cable or HD Satellite. You have a Plasma for god sake's. ;)
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Now if you watching something that is full screen and then as you say a letterbox format comes on then yes that would remain in letterbox. That is the correct ratio. You can "Zoom" in but it will just make the image look bad.

Remember just becasue you have a "Wide" screen TV does not mean that it will display "Letterbox" without the black bars on the top and bottom.

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said by BoulderHill1 See Profile :

Ok, now that I have the Panasonic a few days, I can give my thoughts. First and very importantly it stays on!! I am using OTA for my tv viewing. No cable, no dish, just an antenna on a forty foot tower in the back yard. I can use the signal meter to determine optimimum direction of the antenna. I would however have to say that dialling in the best picture seems difficult. The menu provides some preset profiles (that can be modified) for the color, tint, sharpness, etc. as well as a custom profile that you would use for your liking. What I find troubling is that when I adjust these settings to what I like it only seems to be for the current channel or input. For example, if I dial in the picture while watching Leno on the tonight show then change the channel to watch something else those same settings do not look as good on this channel. On the philips tv this was not an issue. Also the Philips TV had an "auto" picture format mode that automatically filled the entire screen regardless of the aspect ratio of the source. This was good when just channel surfing..as you would go from a program being broadcast 16x9 to another in 4x3 or another that might be letterboxed. It would try to fill the screen automatically with minimal distortion. The panasonic doesn't have this. But the Panasonic does stay on!
???? Seems you need to tweak you TV. I have no had no issues or problems your mentioning with my sets.
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said by Vistaluvr :

*drool* at Contrast Ratio.
Maybe.

I couldn't help but notice this Amazon user review for the TH-50PZ85U (one of the new 2008 models) and specifically what was said regarding contrast ratio...
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I was really excited about the improved contrast ratio because on paper it was such a huge jump over last years model but after getting it set up and watching it side by side with my TH-50PZ77u, I have to say it looks almost exactly the same. I played several Blu ray movies (Cars, Casino Royale...etc), test patterns and solid color screenshots and they were no differences to my eyes. In some instances, the blacks were more detailed on my TH-50PZ77u.


In fairness to context I would suggest reading the entire review. I know it's just one observer and it's not very scientific, but salespersons in more than one store I was checking out TV's in told me that some of the advertised specs, especially contrast ratios, were often exaggerated and not necessarily accurate or in any way standardized.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20253309 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:33:46 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20252889 timcuth :
said by Fat City See Profile :

When will this year's 58" Panny hit the shelves?
I'm just guessing, but it should be fairly soon. Certainly by June.

Tim
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said by BoulderHill1 See Profile :

I GOT IT!! It s the TH-50PX80U 50 inch 720p with the glare coating. Much lighter than the Philips. It is 70 some pounds where the Philips was over 100. I'll post some of my thoughts about it soon. Need to get used to it first.
Enjoy.
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said by wings10 See Profile :

Yes The Eagles DVD is awesome. I have Hell Freezes Over but it is on VHS. I should get that in DVD.
That is a great idea. I think I will play the Eagles DVD on mine, soon. Mine is "Farewell I Tour, Live From Melbourne".

Tim
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said by Bubba1 See Profile :

said by BoulderHill1 See Profile :

Absolutely, Plasma all the way for me.
So, for you and the other plasma lovers posting here .. they no longer suffer screen burn-in problems, particularly associated with game machines?
We got our Panasonic TH-50PZ700U just after Thanksgiving. We got a Sony PS3 on Christmas. No problems with either, so far.

Tim
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~ Project Hope ~ ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20246504 Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:13:06 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20244986 Steely :
said by wings10 See Profile :

My 42" is a 720 as well. I must have got the model before they changed to black.
My apologies. I misread November 2006 as November 2007. I got my black 42" in late 2007. Yours is at least a year older which probably explains the totally different appearance including color.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20244986 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:30:42 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20244866 Steely : That's a nice photo....but I can see some reflections off that screen. :D
I bet it doesn't have the same great coating that we have on the 50" model!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20244866 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:07:58 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20244809 wings10 : Yes The Eagles DVD is awesome. I have Hell Freezes Over but it is on VHS. I should get that in DVD. My 42" is a 720 as well. I must have got the model before they changed to black. In this pic you can see it.

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I am looking for a 32" for the bedroom now. That will probable end up being an LCD and Sony seems to have the best sales on that model and size.

I love the interest-free financing. That is how I got my 50".
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BTW, that looks like the Eagles DVD in your photo. Great concert (as was "Hell Freezes Over").]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20244769 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:49:56 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20244425 wings10 : The 50". I also have a 42" Panasonic I bought back in 2006 as well. I got that one for $999 back on black Friday. The 42" is silver in color. I like the remote on the 50". Smaller. The remote that came with the 42" is long. I hate it.

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said by BoulderHill1 See Profile :

Thanks everyone. Going to go with the Panasonic. Between this forum and a few others and more discuusiions, Panasonic keeps popping to the top. Heading down to circuit city now.
Good move. Please post back with a post-purchase follow-up. You'll be happy.

BTW, I just picked up a recently discontinued 2007 model TH-50PZ77U for $1,750 + tax. Complements my TH-42PX77U except bigger and 1080p. Great picture quality on both sets.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243044 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:02:02 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20238672 wings10 :
said by BoulderHill1 See Profile :

Thanks everyone. Going to go with the Panasonic. Between this forum and a few others and more discuusiions, Panasonic keeps popping to the top. Heading down to circuit city now.
Enjoy. ;)

Oh and you might want to do some tweaking once you set it up. One thing you will want to do is take it off Vivid.
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said by x_zao_x See Profile :

i work at rent a center and we just got in a new Hitachi 50" plasma (can't remember the model), but it has a powered swivel base where with the remote you turn it 30 degrees left or right...pretty neat.

and with us, it cost $1739, but i'm sure u could find it cheaper somewhere else...
I love having the remote power swivel on my Hitachi. Nice to be able to adjust so you can watch it remotely if you're in the kitchen or something. Very nice feature and it wows the guests. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20234592 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:45:36 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20233506 mmickk : My first Panasonic Plasma is about 3.5 years old and still looks great. No problems with it at all.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20233506 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:46:54 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20232101 x_zao_x : i work at rent a center and we just got in a new Hitachi 50" plasma (can't remember the model), but it has a powered swivel base where with the remote you turn it 30 degrees left or right...pretty neat.

and with us, it cost $1739, but i'm sure u could find it cheaper somewhere else...
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i do agree, try to purchase with a credit card that offers free warranty doubling.
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said by Bubba1 See Profile :

Ok, I wasn't aware this was no longer an issue.

The only other rap against plasma I was hearing was dependability, which also, based on what's being said here, isn't an issue. Maybe this was manufacturer specific too, I don't know.
There is the issue of IR (image Retention). IR is a temporary faint image that remains on the screen. If you use a menu or other high contrast image on a plasma, you will be able to see a faint image of the menu for a brief time (seconds) after the menu image is removed. This IR will not be permament (Burn In) but will dissappear as soon and another image is displayed where the IR was. On my Samasung if I leave a guide menu up from my DVR and turn the set off or on a channel that is mainly black, you will see a very faint image of the menu page from the DVR menu for a very brief time. I will really only notice it if I look for it. Some people mistakingly think this is image burn, but it will not be permament.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20224963 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:35:13 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20224826 rusdi : I own a Philips 42" Plasma. Seen the LCD equivalents. Honestly, mine blows 'em away! I couldn't be happier. Had it for 'bout a year, & 1/2.

Still nice & sharp, when viewing 1080I. SD looks awful, but that's jus' the nature of the beast. :D ANYTHING 720 I/P or above is simply DAZZLING! I love it! :)

Absolutely no problems.

Electronic devices made in a "MASS PRODUCTION" world, sometimes dispenses Lemons. :huh:
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»shopping.yahoo.com/articles/ysho···ce-drops

One inetresting note: "The use of LED backlights in LCD sets will surge in 2008, and we'll see a growing number of notebooks use this technology, which promises a wider range of colors and more consistent brightness across the display."

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The only other rap against plasma I was hearing was dependability, which also, based on what's being said here, isn't an issue. Maybe this was manufacturer specific too, I don't know.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223601 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:41:32 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222699 Subaru :
said by Bubba1 See Profile :

said by BoulderHill1 See Profile :

Absolutely, Plasma all the way for me.
So, for you and the other plasma lovers posting here .. they no longer suffer screen burn-in problems, particularly associated with game machines?
I use two large Screen Plasma at work at we run static pictures on the screen for about an hour and never had any burn in at all.. they are about 3 years old. I'd have to climb up and check the model numbers.
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said by Bubba1 See Profile :

said by BoulderHill1 See Profile :

So, for you and the other plasma lovers posting here .. they no longer suffer screen burn-in problems, particularly associated with game machines?
Not any issue with my Daughters PS2.
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I bought the TH-42PZ77U at the end of November when Sears was having a great sale on them.

Easy to hookup and easy to use the menus. No problems so far. I have the TV in a room where 3 walls are windows. I do not have any issues with glare, as this model is treated with an anti-glare of some sort.

Good luck!

-Steve]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20221880 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:39:00 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20221734 BoulderHill1 : They have been improved to reduce the burn in issue. According to some info I read regarding this the statement was made, You shooldn't be anymore concerned about burn in than you were with your CRT tv. Iwould have to assume that a static image would leave a mark if left on for great lengths of time such as I see at the grocery store. They have large screens hanging about with this split screen image displaying a logo and the other side has a chef giving you cooking tips. For my home use burnin is a non issue]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20221734 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:04:34 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20221260 jmacd27 : I've had my Samsung FP-T5884 58" plasma for just over 6 months now. There hasn't been a single issue with it. We watch lots of sports and movies and play our PS3 on it with no problems. We are very pleased with the set, a great value for the dollar. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20221260 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 07:38:09 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20221236 Bubba1 :
said by BoulderHill1 See Profile :

Absolutely, Plasma all the way for me.
So, for you and the other plasma lovers posting here .. they no longer suffer screen burn-in problems, particularly associated with game machines?
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That said, my Panny's panel went bad at 15 months, a rarity according to "Consumer Reports" subscriber surveys. I contacted the Panasonic Concierge that put me in contact with the closest repair shop. The replacement panel cost $1,400 which was covered under 2 year warranty (thank God), but I had to eat a $400 labor charge since labor had a 1 year warranty (would not have been the case if I had purchased using a good credit card that would have doubled any manufacturer's warranty - and most credit cards do - and something to remember when you make your purchase).

BTW, according to the repair shop, Panasonic bitched about replacing the panel saying that the TV must have been dropped, however I had the TV on a wall mount and it was never moved since the day after delivery.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20216683 Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:02:00 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20216652 BinaryXtreme : I agree Boulder. Plasma televisions color seems more natural and the lighting does as well, in my opinion of course. LCDs color looks more manufactured and the brightness seems over stated.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20216652 Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:55:53 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20216637 BinaryXtreme : I have a Hitachi 42" Director's Series and love it. Think I've had it about 7 months now. Absolutely beautiful picture and I agree, plasma all the way. I'd just make sure you have a minimum of a 5000 to 1 contrast ratio. Mine is 10,000 to 1 and many go a lot higher.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20216637 Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:52:40 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20216527 Steely : According to Consumer Reports brand reliability data, Panasonic plasma TVs have a VERY low incidence of repairs and serious problems. Among the brands of plasmas they looked at, Panasonic was best (2%) while Philips was the worst (8%).

My 42" Panny worked perfectly out of the box and has yet to have any issues. YMMV.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20216527 Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:30:35 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20216458 wings10 : My 42" I bought back in Nov 2006 has had no problems. My 50" I bought in Dec 07. But no issues with either and Panasonic always ranks high in reviews. Stay way from some brands that over deep price cuts. They usually have issues like bad power supplies.
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"The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20216458 Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:17:51 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20216316 BoulderHill1 : Has this PANASONIC been reliable? Any problems with it?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20216316 Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:51:53 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20216308 BoulderHill1 : Regarding the pic quality issue, the reason i'm not interested in your responses as far as pic quality is that can be more of an opinion based discussion. Yes I do want excellent picture quality AS I SEE IT. When I look at the sets side by side or otherwise, to me the plasma has the best picture hands down. Alot of the LCDs look nice in the store but the colors tend to look pasty to me. Its the reliability issue that concerns me. The picture on mu Philips is outstanding but what good is it if the TV fails to operate. I am definately returning this set and most likely will go with a PANASONIC]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20216308 Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:50:30 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20216275 wings10 : I have Panasonic. And always liked Plasma over LCD. The picture just seems bright and Crisp on a plasma. So clear.
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"The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20216275 Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:45:23 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20216265 BoulderHill1 : Absolutely, Plasma all the way for me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20216265 Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:44:06 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20216260 BoulderHill1 : Yes, I already updated to latest version. Still has the click>poweroff>back on again issue. Philips sent a service tech out saturday and he said all he could do is to start swapping parts. This set is only two weeks old!! Ireally have lost faith in this pproduct.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20216260 Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:43:06 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20215989 rusdi : Can't say for absolute certain this will cure your troubles, but you might try downloading & installing the latest firmware update for your set. You will need a USB thumb drive with enough capacity.

»www.p4c.philips.com/cgi-bin/dcbi···Software

Reference your owners manual for instructions on your specific model, and try updating the firmware.

Good luck, and hope this might fix the issues with your set. :)
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20215989 Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:33:44 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20215077 Steely :
said by BoulderHill1 See Profile :

really just interested in reliability and not pic quality.
Why not have both? Go with a Panasonic. Excellent reliability and highly rated for picture quality.
In the 50" size, Panasonic models TH-50PZ700U, TH-50PZ750U, and TH-50PX75U all received very high scores from a "leading consumer magazine" (Consumer Reports).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20215077 Mon, 24 Mar 2008 00:37:20 EDT Re: Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20214983 Bubba1 : You're determined to purchase plasma?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20214983 Mon, 24 Mar 2008 00:03:41 EDT Plasma TV experiences. What Brands?? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20214081 BoulderHill1 : I'm looking for users experiences with plasma tv's. More specifically reliability issues and not picture quality.
I purchased a 50 inch Philips 50PFP5332D at WalMart after what I felt was careful research. I have not had good luck with this TV. I am on the second tv, I exchanged the first one when it exhibited problems. I had the first one about two weeks and it would randomly turn off and back on making loud clicking sounds when turning off. On one occasion it just lost sound. The clicking sounds like a relay. Another time, while it was off, it started clicking. I half expected it to turn itself on, but it didn't. I exchanged that set for another but find it doing the same sort of things although not quite as much.
I am now going to return this set and go with another brand. What brands do you all have and how have they performed? Again really just interested in reliability and not pic quality.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20214081 Sun, 23 Mar 2008 20:22:59 EDT