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root9

join:2005-04-08
Kitchener, ON

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The Full Picture; not just throttling or capping.

In short:
The ROTHSCHILD, Rockefeller, Morgan, Bush, Kissinger, Harper and many others are trying to provide information only of what they want. This means the same kind of censorship as China or worse. Any news that's against them will be treated as treason and punishable by prison or death as soon as or if SPP [Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America] comes into play.

This is not a fight against throttling/capping/shaping. It is a fight for our rights and what we can or can't communicate. The latest is that USA Telcos, big business and media have been attacking Canadian ISP's, Government and businesses with everything they have to "choke our freedom of speech" and sharing of information.

Back in Rogers startup days, the 80's and 90's, we had same problems. Any high bandwidth was choked, throttled [HTTP, FTP, large emails, encrypted protocols], blocked or discontinued [newsgroups]. We dug into why. It seems that old man Rogers is related to House of Windsor. Also highly connected to "Committee of 300".

These families want to control ALL content, such as TV, satellite, news, media, movies and even flyers that you may pass on in your neighborhood. The Internet has been a real pain to them since information flows quickly. They want to make the population dumb and disconnected from each other.

No, I'm not kidding. Do your own research. Find out who owns all large media companies and what their plans are. Find out what WTO [World Trade Organization] has planned. Find out how PM Harper is being controlled by USA, UK, Germany and others.

Good places to start:
Find videos and watch of EndGame - Blueprint For Global Enslavement, George Green - The Big Picture, Loose Change 2nd Edition, Wake up America - Dr. John Coleman, Zeitgeist and anything related as you find it. All these are available on Google video or as P2P downloads. Get them before they become blocked. Pass them on to your friends as well and learn.
And the best one of all:
»www.libertyforum.org/showflat.ph···93835340

In speaking with Worldcom / UUNET and Maxihosting it's been said that there's enough Black Fiber [unused fiber just sitting there ready for use] and all households could have 15 Mbps downloads and 7 Mbps uploads with all Canadian users on at same time all day long without need of throttling what-so-ever! Black fiber is being saved for WWW2 and big business use.

All negative things said here about not being able to provide speeds are false! The only visible problem is that all major Canadian ISP's have not repaired the last mile copper to homes and small businesses. The people that will have HDTV and movies on demand will loose out on Internet services due to only so much being able to come across copper wire. Add phone or other services and I guarantee you will be stuck in browsing and email only mode very soon.

What you can do to stop throttling: Complain and complain continuously [daily basis] to

CRTC »www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/welcome.htm ,
Competition Bureau »www.competitionbureau.gc.ca/epic···/en/Home ,
Local MP's, PM's of all provinces:
mpremier@gov.ab.ca
premier@gov.bc.ca
premier@leg.gov.mb.ca
Premier@gnb.ca
premier@gov.nl.ca
floyd_roland@gov.nt.ca
premier@gov.ns.ca
rwjghiz@gov.pe.ca
premier@gov.sk.ca
dennis.fentie@gov.yk.ca
compbureau@cb-bc.gc.ca
info@ccts-cprst.ca
infomgs@mgs.gov.on.ca
ccbbb@canadiancouncilbbb.ca
»www.premier.gov.on.ca/feedback/feedback.asp
»www.premier.gouv.qc.ca/premier-m···en.shtml
Honourable Jim Prentice CorrespondenceMinister@ic.gc.ca
... EXPOSE THEM at least.

Charge / invoice your ISP for lost bandwidth, time out of your day, for infringing of your privacy laws and connection speeds [small business rates are around 30 to 60 per hour].
i.e. any packet that's being throttled needs to be opened. This is illegal in Canada since each packet is like a piece of snail mail, private. No Canadian ISP has the search warrant or authority to open or block any packet below what you pay for. Sending a reset packet is also illegal since it's telling both parties they don't exist when they actually do.

The control freaks have declared war on you and the general population, do something!

Senior Network and Systems Analyst


guitarzan
Premium
join:2004-05-04
Skytop, PA

said by root9:

In short:
The Rockefeller, Morgan, Bush, Kissinger, Harper and many others are trying to provide information only of what they want. This means the same kind of censorship as China or worse. Any news that's against them will be treated as treason and punishable by prison or death as soon as SPP [Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America] comes into play.
Google North American Union and the Vchip. It however is much worse than one can imagine.

said by root9:

This is not a fight against throttling/capping/shaping. It is a fight for our rights and what we can or can't communicate. The latest is that USA Telcos, big business and media have been attacking Canadian ISP's, Government and businesses with everything they have to "choke our freedom of speech" and sharing of information.

It seems that old man Rogers is related to House of Windsor. Also highly connected to "Committee of 300".

These families want to control ALL content, such as TV, satellite, news, media, movies and even flyers that you may pass on in your neighborhood. The Internet has been a real pain to them since information flows quickly. They want to make the population dumb and disconnected from each other.

No, I'm not kidding. Do your own research. Find out who owns all large media companies and what their plans are. Find out what WTO [World Trade Organization] has planned. Find out how PM Harper is being controlled by USA, UK, Germany and others.

Good places to start:
Find videos and watch of EndGame - Blueprint For Global Enslavement, George Green - The Big Picture, Loose Change 2nd Edition, Wake up America - Dr. John Coleman, Zeitgeist and anything related as you find it. All these are available on Google video or as P2P downloads. Get them before they become blocked. Pass them on to your friends as well and learn.

The control freaks have declared war on you and the general population, do something!
Google NSPD-51. Big business is running government and has been. How will the one world government be brought about? By letting business run government and letting a private bank (federal Reserve)control money, that is how.

Take for example McCain raised $11 million for his campaign. Shillary raised 25 million. Obama raised $55 million. More than the other two put together. Want to guess where that $55 million came from? Sure as hell was not from people with homes in foreclosure. It came from big business and special interest groups.

quote:
NSPD-51
(23) Annex A and the classified Continuity Annexes, attached hereto, are hereby incorporated into and made a part of this directive.

(24) Security. This directive and the information contained herein shall be protected from unauthorized disclosure, provided that, except for Annex A, the Annexes attached to this directive are classified and shall be accorded appropriate handling, consistent with applicable Executive Orders
Paraphrased
quote:
We could recover from a disaster but we would never recover from the "continuity coordination" that followed, "coordination" which would forever undermine any faith in the actual continuity of constitutional liberty in America since it would be at the mercy of any president who wants to "coordinate continuity" rather than govern legally.
Bush Makes Power Grab
President Bush, without so much as issuing a press statement, on May 9, 2006 signed a directive that granted near dictatorial powers to the office of the president in the event of a national emergency declared by the president.

The "National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive," with the dual designation of NSPD-51, as a National Security Presidential Directive, and HSPD-20, as a Homeland Security Presidential Directive, establishes under the office of president a new National Continuity Coordinator.

That job, as the document describes, is to make plans for "National Essential Functions" of all federal, state, local, territorial, and tribal governments, as well as private sector organizations to continue functioning under the president's directives in the event of a national emergency.

The directive loosely defines "catastrophic emergency" as "any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions."

»www.ww4report.com/node/3940

Translated into layman's terms, when the President determines a national emergency has occurred, the President can declare to the office of the presidency powers usually assumed by dictators to direct any and all government and business activities until the emergency is declared over.

Ironically, the directive sees no contradiction in the assumption of dictatorial powers by the President with the goal of maintaining constitutional continuity through an emergency.

The directive issued May 9 makes no attempt to reconcile the powers created there for the National Continuity Coordinator with the National Emergency Act. As specified by U.S. Code Title 50, Chapter 34, Subchapter II, Section 1621, the National Emergency Act allows that the president may declare a national emergency but requires that such proclamation "shall immediately be transmitted to the Congress and published in the Federal Register."

A Congressional Research Service study notes that under the National Emergency Act, the President "may seize property, organize and control the means of production, seize commodities, assign military forces abroad, institute martial law, seize and control all transportation and communication, regulate the operation of private enterprise, restrict travel, and, in a variety of ways, control the lives of United States citizens."

The CRS study notes that the National Emergency Act sets up congress as a balance empowered to "modify, rescind, or render dormant such delegated emergency authority," if Congress believes the president has acted inappropriately.

NSPD-51/ HSPD-20 appears to supersede the National Emergency Act by creating the new position of National Continuity Coordinator without any specific act of Congress authorizing the position.

NSPD-51/ HSPD-20 also makes no reference whatsoever to Congress. The language of the May 9 directive appears to negate any a requirement that the President submit to Congress a determination that a national emergency exists, suggesting instead that the powers of the executive order can be implemented without any congressional approval or oversight.

»www.ww4report.com/node/2710

BUSH MOVES TOWARD MARTIAL LAW

2007 Defense Authorization Act Guts Posse Comitatus

by Frank Morales, WW4 REPORT

In a stealth maneuver, President Bush has signed into law a provision which, according to Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont), "will actually encourage the President to declare federal martial law." It does so by revising the Insurrection Act of 1807, a set of laws that limits the president's ability to deploy troops within the United States. The Insurrection Act (10 U.S.C.331- 335) has historically, along with the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 (18 U.S.C.1385), helped to enforce strict prohibitions on military involvement in domestic law enforcement. With one cloaked swipe of his pen, Bush has done much to undo those prohibitions.

Public Law 109-364, or the John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007 (H.R.5122), which was signed on October 17 in a private Oval Office ceremony, allows the president to declare a "public emergency," station troops anywhere in the United States, and take control of state-based National Guard units without the consent of the governor or local authorities, in order to "suppress public disorder."

President Bush seized this unprecedented power on the very same day that he signed the equally odious Military Commissions Act of 2006. In a sense, the two laws complement one another. One allows for torture and detention abroad, while the other seeks to enforce acquiescence at home, allowing the commander-in-chief to order the military onto the streets. Although not invoked in the legislation, the term for putting an area under military rule is "martial law."

Section 1076 of the massive Authorization Act, which grants the Pentagon another $500-plus billion for its global adventures, is entitled "Use of the Armed Forces in Major Public Emergencies." Section 333, "Major public emergencies; interference with State and Federal law " states that "the President may employ the armed forces, including the National Guard in Federal service, to restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the United States, the President determines that domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order" in order to "suppress, in any State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy."

In short, this allows the president to commandeer guardsmen from any state, over the objections of the local government, ship them off to another state, conscript them in a law enforcement and set them loose against "disorderly" citizenry protesters, possibly, or those who object to forced vaccinations and quarantines in the event of a bio-terror event.

It is particularly ominous that the law follows new contracts for construction of emergency detention facilities. An article on "recent contract awards" in the summer issue of the slick, insider Journal of Counter terrorism & Homeland Security International reported that "global engineering and technical services powerhouse KBR [Kellog, Brown & Root] announced in January 2006 that its Government and Infrastructure division was awarded an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) contract to support US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) facilities in the event of an emergency.... With a maximum total value of $385 million over a five year term, the contract is to be executed by the US Army Corps of Engineers...for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to augment existing ICE Detention and Removal Operations(DRO)in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the US, or to support the rapid development of new programs." The report points out that "KBR is the engineering and construction subsidiary of Halliburton."

So in addition to authorizing another $532.8 billion for the Pentagon including a $70 billion "supplemental provision" which covers the cost of the ongoing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan the new law further collapses the historic divide between the police and the military.

The Posse Comitatus Act reads: "Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or Air Force as a posse comitatus [deputized law enforcement] or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both." It is the only US criminal statute that outlaws military operations directed against the American people under the cover of "law enforcement." It has been held as the citizenry's the best protection against the power-hungry intentions of an unscrupulous and reckless executive intent on using force to impose its will. It has now been dealt a near-fatal blow.

Despite the unprecedented nature of this act, there has been no outcry in the American media, and little reaction from our elected officials in Congress. On September 19, a lone Senator Leahy noted that 2007s Defense Authorization Act contained a "widely opposed provision to allow the President more control over the National Guard [adopting] changes to the Insurrection Act, which will make it easier for this or any future President to use the military to restore domestic order WITHOUT the consent of the nation's governors.

In other words, the law facilitates the "transfer" of the newest in so-called "crowd control" technology and other weaponry from the Pentagon to local militarized police units. The new law builds on and further codifies earlier "technology transfer" agreements, specifically the 1995 DOD-Justice Department memorandum of agreement achieved back during the Clinton-Reno administration.

Halliburton wins concentration camp contract
»ww4report.com/node/1940
Submitted by Bill Weinberg on Mon, 05/08/2006 - 16:50.

We wish we were joking. What a shame nobody noticed this the little note in the second section about the Halliburton contract (emphasis added) should have been front-page news in every paper in the country. Back on Feb. 23, Nat Perry of Consortium News wrote for AlterNet:

Bush's Mysterious 'New Programs'
Is the Pentagon building U.S.-based prison camps for Muslim immigrants? Evidence points to the possibility.

Not that George W. Bush needs much encouragement, but Sen. Lindsey Graham suggested to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales a new target for the administration's domestic operations Fifth Columnists, supposedly disloyal Americans who sympathize and collaborate with the enemy.

"The administration has not only the right, but the duty, in my opinion, to pursue Fifth Column movements," Graham, R-S.C., told Gonzales during Senate Judiciary Committee hearings on Feb. 6.

"I stand by this president's ability, inherent to being commander in chief, to find out about Fifth Column movements, and I don't think you need a warrant to do that," Graham added, volunteering to work with the administration to draft guidelines for how best to neutralize this alleged threat.

Labor camps

There also was another little-noticed item posted at the U.S. Army website, about the Pentagon's Civilian Inmate Labor Program. This program "provides Army policy and guidance for establishing civilian inmate labor programs and civilian prison camps on Army installations."

The Army document, first drafted in 1997, underwent a "rapid action revision" on Jan. 14, 2005. The revision provides a "template for developing agreements" between the Army and corrections facilities for the use of civilian inmate labor on Army installations.

Pentagon surveillance

Despite the Posse Comitatus Act's prohibitions against U.S. military personnel engaging in domestic law enforcement, the Pentagon has expanded its operations beyond previous boundaries, such as its role in domestic surveillance activities.

Homeland defense

As the administration scoops up more and more names, members of Congress also have questioned the elasticity of Bush's definitions for words like terrorist "affiliates," used to justify wiretapping Americans allegedly in contact with such people or entities.

The Pentagon strategy paper calls for increased military reconnaissance and surveillance to "defeat potential challengers before they threaten the United States." The plan "maximizes threat awareness and seizes the initiative from those who would harm us."

But there are concerns over how the Pentagon judges "threats" and who falls under the category "those who would harm us." A Pentagon official said the Counterintelligence Field Activity's TALON program has amassed files on antiwar protesters.

In December [15] 2005, NBC News revealed the existence of a secret 400-page Pentagon document listing 1,500 "suspicious incidents" over a 10-month period, including dozens of small antiwar demonstrations that were classified as a "threat."

The Defense Department also might be moving toward legitimizing the use of propaganda domestically, as part of its overall war strategy.

A secret Pentagon "Information Operations Roadmap," approved by Rumsfeld in October 2003, calls for "full spectrum" information operations and notes that "information intended for foreign audiences, including public diplomacy and PSYOP, increasingly is consumed by our domestic audience and vice versa."

The Department of Homeland Security also has demonstrated a tendency to deploy military operatives to deal with domestic crises.

In the wake of Hurricane Katrina, the department dispatched "heavily armed paramilitary from the Blackwater private security firm, (and had them) openly patrolling the streets of New Orleans," reported journalists Jeremy Scahill and Daniela Crespo on Sept. 10, 2005.

Noting the reputation of the Blackwater as "some of the most feared professional killers in the world," Scahill and Crespo said Blackwater's presence in New Orleans "raises alarming questions about why the government would allow men trained to kill with impunity in places like Iraq and Afghanistan to operate here."

For any American citizen suspected of collaborating with terrorists, Bush also revealed what's in store. In May 2002, the FBI arrested U.S. citizen Jose Padilla in Chicago on suspicion that he might be an al-Qaida operative planning an attack.

Rather than bring criminal charges, Bush designated Padilla an "enemy combatant" and had him imprisoned indefinitely without benefit of due process. After three years, the administration finally brought charges against Padilla, in order to avoid a Supreme Court showdown the White House might have lost.

But since the court was not able to rule on the Padilla case, the administration's arguments have not been formally repudiated. Indeed, despite filing charges against Padilla, the White House still asserts the right to detain U.S. citizens without charges as enemy combatants.

HALLIBURTON GETS DETENTION CONTRACT

KBR, the engineering and construction subsidiary of Halliburton Co., announced on Jan. 24 that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has awarded KBR a five-year $385 million "Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity" (IDIQ) contingency contract to support ICE facilities in the event of an emergency. The contract, effective immediately, provides for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to expand existing ICE Detention and Removal Operations (DRO) facilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the US, or to support the rapid development of new programs, KBR said. The contract may also provide immigrant detention support to other government organizations in the event of an immigration emergency, the company said. The competitively awarded contract will be executed by the US Army Corps of Engineers, Fort Worth District. KBR held the previous ICE contract from 2000 through 2005. [MarketWatch 1/24/06; Business Wire 1/24/06]

While General Hayden has extensive administrative experience, he would face daunting challenges at the C.I.A., an agency that has been demoralized and has endured turbulence since the mid-1990's. As N.S.A. director until last year, General Hayden oversaw the program to intercept international phone calls and e-mail messages of Americans and others in the United States believed to have links to Al Qaeda.

General Hayden, 61, has been the program's most public defender, repeatedly asserting that it is legal and constitutional even though the eavesdropping is done without warrants from a special court set up in 1978 to authorize such surveillance.

"I've taken an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States," General Hayden said at the National Press Club in January as he defended what the Bush administration calls the Terrorist Surveillance Program. "I would never violate that Constitution, nor would I abuse the rights of the American people."

Supports warrant-less wiretaps and says he upholds the Constitution. Lucky for him, most of the citizenry doesn't have a clue what the document actually says.

Guys don't worry this is for your protection

"How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think." -Hitler

"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Dec. 19, 2000

10th Amendment: Powers are granted to each branch of government, and then specifies that anything not delegated to the government is the Rights reserved by the governed, the people

Like Bush, himself said, "The Constitution is just a gosh damned piece of paper"...

So too are his "directives" - just pieces of paper.

Stock up on food, water, ammo, guns, clothing, cash, silver, gold. Be prepared!
--
It's easier to manipulate non-religious people, Ever hear of Communism?
With out religion your are more suceptable to manipulation. Look at china, they banned religion. It's much easier to manipulate people who don't have any religious convictions.


root9

join:2005-04-08
Kitchener, ON

Thank you for educating many Canadians on what's up in USA.

We already have similar problems here. Add free trade, NAFTA, SPP, rewriting of laws, lack of doctors, poisoned foods, implementation of CODEX, gun registry, corporate manipulation, plant closures and we are pretty close to same state as you. In deep s**t.



guitarzan
Premium
join:2004-05-04
Skytop, PA

said by root9:

Thank you for educating many Canadians on what's up in USA.

We already have similar problems here. Add free trade, NAFTA, SPP, rewriting of laws, lack of doctors, poisoned foods, implementation of CODEX, gun registry, corporate manipulation, plant closures and we are pretty close to same state as you. In deep s**t.
SPP [Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America]. Is how they are going to merge Canada, U.S with Mexico to create the NAU. The border with Mexico has vanished already. I'm sure Canadians want to keep Canada, Canadian owned and separated from the U.S., so as to not lose your National Identity. Same here Tudmax, politicians here got this country into deep s**t as well.
--
It's easier to manipulate non-religious people, Ever hear of Communism?
With out religion your are more suceptable to manipulation. Look at china, they banned religion. It's much easier to manipulate people who don't have any religious convictions.

petecarlson

join:2004-11-06
Baltimore, MD
reply to guitarzan

quote:
Take for example McCain raised $11 million for his campaign. Shillary raised 25 million. Obama raised $55 million. More than the other two put together. Want to guess where that $55 million came from? Sure as hell was not from people with homes in foreclosure. It came from big business and special interest groups.

I don't know where this off-topic BS is coming from but is patently false. The vast majority of the 55 million raised so far in Q1 2008 has been from small donations. I don't have the time right now to add up Jan and Feb, but here is a sample from January:
"Barack’s $28 million in online contributions came from more than 250,000 contributors. 90% were under $100. 40% were $25 or less, and 10,000 people gave $5 or $10 to the campaign"
»www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/04/ob···f-total/
If you count my $25 donation as a "special interest" donation then you might have a point but we all know that isn't what you were saying. Do you care to retract this statement or to back it up with fact? Show me that even half of this money came from big business and special interest groups as you claim and I will donate $25 to the candidate of your choice.
Expand your moderator at work

cowwoc

join:2007-05-19
St John'S, NL
reply to root9

Conspiracy theories

Give me a break.

You need to separate your dislike for traffic shaping (which I share) from your conspiracy-theory dislike for governments in general.

Let's get our facts straight, shall we? For years now you can download tons of anti-government and pro-jihad videos online and no one will try to stop you. On the other hand, try posting a video that is said to be anti-Islam and you'll find yourself the target of death threats, legal threats and internet censorship faster than you can blink. Here is a recent example: »yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=···/1914238

If there is any sort of censorship going on in North America, it isn't in the direction you claim it is. If anything, I've seen the left censor the right but not the other way around. Try to even *hint* that Global Warming is a debatable topic and you'll see what I mean.

I'm not saying I personally believe one way or another. I am simply pointing out that in my experience people on the left have been censoring people on the right far more often in recent history than the other way around. Extremists on either end of the stick are a bad thing, period.



arbytarby

@dsl.bell.ca
reply to root9

Re: The Full Picture; not just throttling or capping.

You just killed any credibility by citing Loose Change as a credible example of your claim. That "documentary" is full of holes and misinformation.



Henry_17

@dsl.bell.ca
reply to cowwoc

Re: Conspiracy theories

I kind of expected this. I'm in the process of canceling a Bell Sympatico contract and the rep said even if I switch they are going to be throttling TekSavvy anyway soon. That was on the 10th.



guitarzan
Premium
join:2004-05-04
Skytop, PA
reply to petecarlson

Re: The Full Picture; not just throttling or capping.

said by petecarlson:

I don't know where this off-topic BS is coming from but is patently false. The vast majority of the 55 million raised so far in Q1 2008 has been from small donations. I don't have the time right now to add up Jan and Feb, but here is a sample from January:
"Barack’s $28 million in online contributions came from more than 250,000 contributors. 90% were under $100. 40% were $25 or less, and 10,000 people gave $5 or $10 to the campaign"
»www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/04/ob···f-total/
If you count my $25 donation as a "special interest" donation then you might have a point but we all know that isn't what you were saying.
Your money, you're entitled to flush your $$$ down the toilet.
said by petecarlson:

Do you care to retract this statement or to back it up with fact? Show me that even half of this money came from big business and special interest groups as you claim and I will donate $25 to the candidate of your choice.
Nope, no retraction.

Obamas Refusal of Lobbyists’ Money Has its Limits
by Dan Morain

WASHINGTON - While pledging to turn down donations from lobbyists themselves, Sen. Barack Obama raised more than $1 million in the first three months of his presidential campaign from law firms and companies that have major lobbying operations in the nations capital.Portraying himself as a new-style politician determined to reform Washington, Obama makes his policy clear in fund-raising invitations, stating that he takes no donations from federal lobbyists. His aides announced last week he was returning $43,000 to lobbyists who donated to his campaign.

But the Illinois Democrats policy of shunning money from lobbyists registered to do business on Capitol Hill does not extend to lawyers whose partners lobby there.

Nor does the ban apply to corporations that have major lobbying operations in Washington. And the prohibition does not extend to lobbyists who ply their trade in such state capitals as Springfield, Ill.; Tallahassee, Fla.; and Sacramento, though some deal with national clients and issues.


Clearly, the distinction is not that significant, said Stephen Weissman of the Campaign Finance Institute, a nonpartisan think tank that focuses on campaign issues.

He gets an asterisk that says he is trying to be different, Weissman said. But overall, the same wealthy interests are funding his campaign are funding other candidates, whether or not they are lobbyists.

A relative newcomer to national politics, Obama stunned the political world by raising $25.7 million in the first three months of the year, all but matching money raised by his main rival, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.).

More
»www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/04/22/681/

»www.opensecrets.org/pres08/selec···?Ind=F07
Securities and Investment
Hillary: $4.7 million
Obama: $4.5 million
Romney(the quintessential corporate candidate): $3.6 million

Commercial Banks
Hillary: $935,000
Obama: $865,000
Romney: $600,000

Big Pharma
Hillary: $269,000
Obama: $262,000
Romney: $260,000

Hedge Fund and Private Equity
Hillary: $980,000
Obama: $976,000
Romney: $947,000

In case you're keeping score:

Gold:$980 (52% 1-year increase)
Silver: $20.30 (60% 1-year increase)
Euro-Dollar:0.6418 (All time low)
Oil: $109 (All time record)
US Debt: $9.4 Trillion
US Unfunded Liabilities: $57 Trillion

Obama and Hillary have an almost identical voting record in the Senate, which when you think about it, should mean she is getting about the same kind of big-money too right? I mean, after all, they are both basically two politicians espousing the same empty-suit rhetoric, right? Two currently elected politicians that are part of a congressional body that has a WORSE approval rating than George W. Bush because in the peoples mandate for change in the '06 election, what did we get? Hardworking Senators fighting to end the Iraq war, or a couple of political opportunists spending more time furthering their own political ambitions while our brave men and women are dying in Bush's war.

Two corporate puppets running against each other.
Hillary and Obama could have gotten along without big corporate money, but they took it in anyway. Wonder if this will open the clinton/obama supporters eyes?

2008 Candidates Show Affinity for Atomic Energy
By JOSH GERSTEIN
Staff Reporter of the Sun
April 20, 2007

Obama, brought to you by Exelon. Do you think that $160,000 by the largest nuclear power provider has anything to do with Obamas embrace of this discredited technology?
More
»www.nysun.com/article/52902

Lynn Sweet
The scoop from Washington
Sweet column: Chicago's Exelon execs donations to Obama become issue for Clinton. Yucca Mountain.
(this is a longer version of the print column)

LAS VEGAS, NV.---Yucca Mountain is a battle cry in this state.

Congress has been wrestling for years over whether nuclear waste from other states, Illinois is one of them, with leftovers from power generating nuclear reactors should be stored at Yucca.

Nevadans, to put it mildly, are against designating Yucca as a permanent waste repository, putting the state at odds with the Chicago-based Exelon Corporation, the nations largest nuclear operator, supporting a Yucca dump.

Yucca is more than a hot button issue here. Yucca is radioactive.

»blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/01···n_e.html

Obama Doesn't Take Special Interest Money?
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The media is all abuzz with this presidential primary race between the two Democratic contenders. They are so excited and I'm feeling like a zombie. I can't watch the television or go on the big websites because I am thoroughly disgusted, and so totally not interested. I don't care what kind of spin they put on these two politicians; I can't stand either of them. If it's not totally clear in every Liberal/Progressives head by now, it really should be. These two candidates represent just about everything, and everyone that we have been screaming about since Bush came into office.

Lets get down to the real nitty-gritty on this campaign. We all know that campaign finance is just about the biggest problem we have. We are constantly reminded of this every time we read or hear of the cost of running a successful bid for the White House.

It's fact that the candidates this cycle have outspent the previous candidates in the last Presidential election. We should realize that it is all about money. It's not about our money however; it is all about corporate money from the Military Industrial Corporate Complex. Many people get a knee-jerk reaction to that phrase.

Let me clear the air and present some facts that will underscore exactly what I am saying here; that there is absolutely no difference between the three corporate candidates that the MICC media has presented to us. Oh, by the way, Mussolini's definition of fascism; corporatism.

Lets see where these candidates get their money to convince you to vote for them;

Hillary Clinton;
Goldman Sachs $413,361 Morgan Stanley $362,700 Citigroup Inc $350,895 Lehman Brothers $241,870 JP Morgan Chase & Co $214,880 EMILY's List $213,266 National Amusements Inc $210,010 Kirkland & Ellis $179,676 Greenberg Traurig Llp $177,800 Skadden, Arps et al $167,796 Merrill Lynch $165,042 Cablevision Systems $145,313 Time Warner $144,977 Microsoft Corp $143,459 Bear Stearns $141,835 Latham & Watkins $138,598 Patton Boggs $137,200 Ernst & Young $126,865 PricewaterhouseCoopers $121,939

Barack Obama:
Goldman Sachs $421,763 Ubs Ag $296,670 Lehman Brothers $250,630 National Amusements Inc $245,843 JP Morgan Chase & Co $243,848 Sidley Austin LLP $226,491 Citigroup Inc $221,578 Exelon Corp $221,517 Skadden, Arps Et Al $196,420 Jones Day $181,996 Harvard University $172,324 Citadel Investment Group $171,798 Time Warner $155,383 Morgan Stanley $155,196 Google Inc $152,802 University of California $143,029 Jenner & Block $136,565 Kirkland & Ellis $134,738 Wilmerhale Llp $119,245 Credit Suisse Group $118,250

Is there something a wee bit fishy up there? Seems like the same people are financing the same top three, Is it me being suspicious or is it really true? By the way, these contributions are from employees of these companies that give and are bundled together by their employers. Are they being patriotic? Some of these corporations aren't even American corporations!

Lets look at the Military Industrial Complex:
Election Cycle 2008*
Total Contributions $9,307,088
$2,819,665 Contributions from Individuals
$6,487,423 Contributions from PACs
$4,861,181 Donations to Democrats
$4,439,327 Donations to Republicans
% to Dems 52%
% to GOP 48%

Why would the MIC give to the Democratic candidates unless they want to influence them?

Democratic presidential candidates Barack Obama, Hillary Rodham Clinton and John Edwards all pledged that the Yucca site would never be developed, reinforcing those pledges at Tuesdays debate.

Now, days before the Saturday caucus vote in Nevada, Clinton, at the debate and in a new paid radio spot running statewide, is highlighting the campaign donations Obama has taken from employees of Exelon.

Two senate candidates with almost identical voting records in the Senate who have horrible attendance records in Congress. Man, that is just such a hard decision to make. It's like picking out which currently elected senatorial turd stinks the least. Decisions ... decisions.
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It's easier to manipulate non-religious people, Ever hear of Communism?
With out religion your are more suceptable to manipulation. Look at china, they banned religion. It's much easier to manipulate people who don't have any religious convictions.


fatness
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What the hell does that have to do with Bell's throttling?



elwoodblues
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reply to petecarlson

Watch Jericho.. the writers have taken you to heart the show is about a corporation writing a nuclear disaster plan, implementing it, then becoming the government

Too surreal



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reply to guitarzan

Veering way too far off-topic....