Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. in TekSavvy

Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. in TekSavvy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20219339 en Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:01:28 EDT Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:01:28 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20461087 nitzguy :

said by UT_CK

:

Ok Lazy, :)
The 30 KB/s is download only.

CK
{:(B)

Oh ok, then I don't feel the throttle ;). Had some torrents going at around 100-150kB/s last night...I'm wireless so I'm happy enough with that performance...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20461087 Sat, 10 May 2008 11:19:24 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20459350 UT_CK : Ok Lazy, :)
The 30 KB/s is download only.

CK
{:(B)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20459350 Fri, 09 May 2008 21:47:24 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20459226 nitzguy : Ok,

I'm brand new to DSL and to TekSavvy and this whole throttling thing has me confused (formerly from Rogers Portable Internet/WiMax 1.5mb connection).

Is this 30kB/s strictly from a download standpoint on the throttle or a combined 30kB/s (say 15kb up/15kb down)...

Just wondering so I know if I should goof with my connections and whatnot or just leave them alone...

I don't know if its listed in here, but ...I'm lazy :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20459226 Fri, 09 May 2008 21:17:00 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20452754 berethorn : I have Ubuntu, and since the release of Hardy 8.04 the repositories have been slow as you described. At least with Ubuntu, it's not a throttling issue.

I see you fixed it, but for anyone else who might be experiencing this problem, try this:

System > Administration > Software Sources > click "Download from", then "Other", then "Select Best Server"

Worked for me - I just did it a few minutes ago and now I'm back to full speed downloading!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20452754 Thu, 08 May 2008 16:53:22 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20429912 anon : If you have problems with Linux upgrades with all mirrors, at specific time, find someone who does not (e.g. a friend with cable), then report it to the CRTC:

»Is your VoIP or VPN affected by Bell's throttling practices?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20429912 Sun, 04 May 2008 12:29:00 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20427618 dscott23 : Well, I've been throttled since this all started, but it was limited strictly to torrent transfers. Now, it seems I've got a different problem.

I run a Debian system, and am in the middle of a dist-upgrade from stable to testing. It's a large upgrade, about 700MB of new packages required. When I started, I was getting my full transfer speeds... then it suddenly dropped, around 7:30pm.

I would consider it a slow connection from the debian server I'm getting the packages from, except it's maxing out at 30KB, and it's the only thing affected (aside from torrents, which are also capped at 30KB). So what was to take 20 min. to download is now going to take 4 hours.

Any other linux users experiencing this? This is absurd.

edit: I tried changing the repo server I connect to, and speeds are back. I was initially using the servers at York University, and have changed to http.us.debian. Hopefully it keeps up.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20427618 Sat, 03 May 2008 20:13:44 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20295354 Sash55 : Hey, seems not everything is throttled. The CBC's next great prime minister I was able to download at full speed.

»www.mininova.org/tor/1266417]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20295354 Mon, 07 Apr 2008 07:15:34 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20278634 drjp81 : Still unthrottled in Longueuil (Quebec) dloading ubuntu at 500KB/s
--
Cheers!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20278634 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:51:07 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20277897 xPBxNaStY : im still unthrottled. im 30 km's south of windsor]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20277897 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:48:30 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20277887 sknighti : I heard newsgroups were throttled but was wondering which newsgroup services were and what ports they were using]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20277887 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:46:00 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20274069 georgej214 : I have noticed some kind of throttling today. Switched from Bell to tekavvy for a few months. Usually I can get around 300KB/s download speed. Now download speed has been sharped at around 70KB/s, sometimes even worse, only at 30KB/s. Speedtest was normal as usual. What happen?
I am going to cancel my bell home phone! ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20274069 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 00:30:51 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20268343 Guspaz : Pointe-Claire got throttled as far as Sympatico is concerned quite some time ago :P]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20268343 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 02:09:38 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20268337 jfmezei : At 02:02 EDT, my torrent went from a pretty stable 56KB/s down, and 43 up to 180KB/s and 65 up. (this didn't last long because my download finished quickly once that rate was achieved.)

So it looks like Pointe Claire Québec got infected by Bell's throttling disease.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20268337 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 02:07:01 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20268285 Reimer : throttling seems to be at 60 KB/s at times]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20268285 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 01:47:29 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20268256 GDSComp : I don't see any need to get upset. I saw the news tonite on CBC and Rocky was doin a fine job on the phone..15 calls in conference. ...oh ya, who's your long distance provider ? Ma Bell is playin games as usual..don't get mad..get even..Boycott all Bell appliances..cell phones etc. just wait ..the guys at TekSavvy are lookin into phone service...keep up the great work Rocky..you know what I think of Beavers....LoL... ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20268256 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 01:33:37 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20268244 n00bicals3 : reminds me of dial up. once i tried to download a movie on kazaa, and it took a week of night downloading to get it, and then it turns out to not be what i wanted, damn fakes :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20268244 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 01:29:37 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20268236 n00bicals3 : i see. i was recommending my parents to switch from bell to teksavvy once the contract runs out in the summer. i suppose its still worth it just to get away from the idiotic customer service! its not cheaper for them though until the modem is paid off, since they are on the old unlimited $35/month plan, which was great until they started with this nonsense... why don't rogers and bell invest in fiber networks? fios would be nice, and it would alleviate the so called congestion... i also think p2p would do great things for the distribution of HDTV under fibre optics, if only someone would step up and do it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20268236 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 01:25:45 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20268222 jfmezei : Everyone knows that when parents tells kids to NOT do something, it is a sure bet that the kids will do it :-)

As a result, I downloaded BittOrent for my mac yesterday. I am a newbie at this.

I found a Linux ISO of Family Guy spoofing a Star Wars movie.
Tonight, I was barely doing 25KB/s and even less on the upload.

At 01:00 EDT, the number very rapidly rose to near 60 KB/s for both down and up (I now have about 50% of it downloaded, so I can start to feed new newcomers to the torrent).

If this is the shape of things to come, it makes downloeading somd 300meg file WAY too painful to be of use. This is absolutely terrible.

The technology is interesting. But last night, I tried to downlaod the same movie, (different file) and it turned out to be some microsoft WMV file with some DRM on it (aka: unusable file.

Hopefully the file that will have taken over 6 hours to download with some 29 seeders tonight will be usable.

Waiting 6 hours to find out if you can even do somethng with the file you've just downloaded is not tolerable.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20268222 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 01:20:03 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20268205 ftp1020 :

said by n00bicals3

:

i know this is a dumb question, but is it possible for teksavvy to get their service from the US providers? is it possible to connect directly to the "raw" internet like the big telcos do?

They can and do (Peer1 and Cogent). The throttling problem exists between your house and Teksavvy, ie. Bell's copper wires and central offices/DSLAMs. Your phone wires would have to terminate somewhere other than Bell equipment to avoid the throttling.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20268205 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 01:14:38 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20268183 n00bicals3 : i know this is a dumb question, but is it possible for teksavvy to get their service from the US providers? is it possible to connect directly to the "raw" internet like the big telcos do?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20268183 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 01:07:47 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20244267 anon : getting throttled here in the Ottawa valley too (Arnprior to be exact). I'm only mildly concerned that my bittorrents are downloading at under 30 kb/s, (after all, how much pr0n can one person watch) but I suspect my work (encrypted FTP transfer of big-assed files) is being affected too. Anyone else having similar problems?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20244267 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:32:04 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243723 anon : Yay I'm getting throttled now... 30kb/s regular and 50 kb/s SSL/SSH. I love TekSavvy but fuck you Bell.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243723 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:55:06 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243047 Guspaz : Don't blame yourself too hard, the throttling is brand new, and we've got a TON of anecdotal evidence (or actual testing but spread all over). As the throttling stays in place for a longer period of time, we'll get a better idea of exactly how it works.

I'm just waiting for myself to get throttled in Montreal before I start testing things in earnest. It's a frustrating wait. I want to be throttled now :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243047 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:02:50 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243022 ymboc : son-of-a-b...!... great so I've been spreading mis-information. Nothing pisses me off more than misinformation. F!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243022 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:57:03 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243016 Guspaz : Yes:

»Re: Setup Multiple VPN servors to combat Bell Throttle?

EDIT: Deadpool is Bell (Sympatico) management, so you know.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243016 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:55:41 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20242990 ymboc : ... I hope it isn't as simple as that... You're suggesting they've white listed nntp traffic on port 119?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20242990 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:50:44 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20242945 Guspaz : It has been said by Deadpool that running anything on a non-standard port (7000 is non-standard) causes the DPI system to misindentify it and throttle it as unknown.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20242945 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:42:37 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20242932 ymboc : is_it_SSL: No, standard connection but on port 7000.

anon34543: No, usenet was the only application.

Bellundo: I'm looking into http options also.

I've posted some more details / musings in another more usenet specific thread]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20242932 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:39:27 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20242633 anon : Where you downloading via BT or p2p at the same time as you were downloading via usenet?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20242633 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:50:46 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20242616 anon : Easynews has the option to download via http. I hope bell can't or won't try to throttle that one.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20242616 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:49:01 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20234166 DSL_Ricer :

said by Nokiasac :

One of the possible bottle necks lies at the feed to the DSLAM. Large CO are not bad but the smaller remotes may be fed with something like an OC12 or smaller with maybe 500+ ports. do the math and thats roughly 1.2meg available per person not including overhead.

Unlimited users, at this point, use on average less than 0.5 Mbit/s

said by Nokiasac :

Hydro - You may have a 200 amp electrical service panel in your house. Ya you have 200 amps available to you but the "normal" consumer will only use 20% on average. 8 houses may be fed of a transformer that rated to provide 50kw. 50kw == 208amps. If hydro had to size transformers to make sure everyone could draw 200amps power would cost more because the infrastructure will cost more.

However, if you did try to use 200 amps you could. If you and your neighbours tried, yes, it wouldn't work, however if they gradually increased their usage over several month, I'm pretty sure hydro would provision for this increased usage. P2P isn't new. In fact, it's a shrinking portion of internet bandwidth.

said by Nokiasac :

Water - During the stanley cup playoffs in Vancouver during commercial breaks the water pressure for the city dropped dramatically , to the point where higher elevation had no real supply.

Yes, and the same thing does happen on the internet; but 95% of the time, if they turned on their tapes they had pressure. 4pm to 2am represents 42% of the time.

said by Nokiasac :

Telephone - Others have mentioned before but I think there may only be enough trunks for maybe 10% of subscribers and if everyone picked up their phones many would not get dialtone at all.

Other people have mentioned that when people started using dialup ISPs, Bell had a similar problem. Did bell say, no dialup ISPs from 4pm to 2am? No. They added more capacity. I'd expect all other phone companies had the same problem and none of them did that.

said by Nokiasac :

Since many of you think of internet just as essential as any major utility , like hydro etc, maybe we all should be paying for what we use on the internet just like we do for hydro and water, pay per meg or gig. Bell and TSI are in this to make money. That is the bottom line.

Sure. except think of this: if teksavvy bought 200GB, and then proceeded to use it only from 4 to 5 pm, that would require incredible amount of actual capacity comparatively to being spread over a whole day. Bandwidth isn't created, there aren't fossil fuels burned to create more of it at a high-usage point, it simply exists, and a certain amount is available able at any given time slice. Paying for peak usage is what makes the most sense. And guess what. Teksavvy does that: they pay for 95th percentile usage (so if a freak occurrence happens they don't suddenly triple their bill). However, Bell is no longer providing that capacity, despite them paying for it.

In my apartment, we have 3 heavy internet users, our monthly usage is in the 400GB range evenly split in between upload and download. I'd suggest that we are probably easier to provision for than 3 users in the 50GB range that don't use P2P at all. Why? Those people will all be using it all at the same time, around the same time. However, P2P protocols smooth the usage to other periods of the day.

said by Nokiasac :

Anyways I would like to also add I think this whole business of the CRTC making telcos provide open access to their networks at cost + 15% to wholesalers destructive to innovation.

I think you don't understand what AT COST means. That means that they are recouping their initial investment costs. 3rd parties are paying for whatever equipment was needed to provision their customers. They're not getting a free ride. What's regulated is the amount of profit they're making: 15%. To be quite frank. I think that's a good amount. For instance, computer sales at the moment only have a 5-10% margin.

said by Nokiasac :

Perhaps utilities should all still be in the public hands so they are the ones that profit from their success not the shareholders.

Either that or simply held by NPOs. Government tends to not be very efficient.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20234166 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:47:26 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20234106 UT_CK : Double post error ... Removed

Respectfully,
CK]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20234106 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:37:02 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20232286 anon :

said by sppena

:

clearly nokiasac does not realize the scope of of this issue. How about I put this in another perspective so you can understand the gravity of the situation.

Would you buy a fuel efficient car if that is only Caped to go to 30km/h?

Would you buy a water bottle that is Caped to fill only half a bottle?

Would you pay for post-secondary education at full price but Caped that you only receive a C+ on every course?

hopyfully now u understand a bit of the situation, if not then its time for you to grow up and face the real world.

Angelo_ posted

"my mental health will suffer as i am disabled and this give sme great stress is another fact.
Bell has lied ot me cheated me , tried to double bill me continously, has threatened me with legal action fo rusing a completely legal application ( utorrent ) of which at time of said threat i was LOL getting a set of freeware ebooks.
all video/audio taped.
now imagine that half a TSI's users are the abused of bell, perhaps we should all pitch in 1$ and that 21000 would definately get a lawyer ( most would want mere 5 grand to start )
seriously my rights have been violated and i am hurt."

I was not saying this throttling situation does not sucks. What I was commenting on was the fact the guy is getting so worked up its effecting his life.

If you want my opinion it is this.

Bell should be approaching this differently. If they have a problem with network capacity they should enforce caps while trying to improve network. I really think some of you have no idea but every major utility is designed and sized based on demand. It based on economics... it always boils down to the almighty $$. One of the possible bottle necks lies at the feed to the DSLAM. Large CO are not bad but the smaller remotes may be fed with something like an OC12 or smaller with maybe 500+ ports. do the math and thats roughly 1.2meg available per person not including overhead. The whole network though is not designed for the current demand of users. Telcos are slow to catch up.

Hydro - You may have a 200 amp electrical service panel in your house. Ya you have 200 amps available to you but the "normal" consumer will only use 20% on average. 8 houses may be fed of a transformer that rated to provide 50kw. 50kw == 208amps. If hydro had to size transformers to make sure everyone could draw 200amps power would cost more because the infrastructure will cost more.

Water - During the stanley cup playoffs in Vancouver during commercial breaks the water pressure for the city dropped dramatically , to the point where higher elevation had no real supply.

Telephone - Others have mentioned before but I think there may only be enough trunks for maybe 10% of subscribers and if everyone picked up their phones many would not get dialtone at all.

Internet - If everyone in Canada started decided to get on the internet and max out their connection what kind of speeds do you think we would get.

I'm not saying what they are doing is right and yes TSI is paying for loop but maybe they should be paying per byte instead.

Since many of you think of internet just as essential as any major utility , like hydro etc, maybe we all should be paying for what we use on the internet just like we do for hydro and water, pay per meg or gig. Bell and TSI are in this to make money. That is the bottom line.

Perhaps utilities should all still be in the public hands so they are the ones that profit from their success not the shareholders.

/rant]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20232286 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:07:30 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20232240 anon : I'm very unhappy with this Bell situation right now. I have been with Teksavvy for about 6 months and everything was working fantastic until last night. I hope Teksavvy can work to resolve the issue at hand and come up with a solution that continues to make them the best ISP in Canada. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20232240 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:56:30 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20232237 anon : New Michael Geist story at:

»www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2787/125/

"For months, I've been asked repeatedly why net neutrality has not taken off as a Canadian political and regulatory issue. While there has been some press coverage, several high-profile incidents, and a few instances of political or regulatory discussion (including the recent House of Commons Committee report on the CBC), the issue has not generated as much attention in Canada as it has in the United States. I believe this week will ultimately be seen as the moment that changed. "]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20232237 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:56:17 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20232098 anon :

said by sppena

I was not saying this throttling situation does not sucks. What I was commenting on was the fact the guy is getting so worked up its effecting his life.

If you want my opinion it is this.

Bell should be approaching this differently. If they have a problem with network capacity they should enforce caps while trying to improve network. I really think some of you have no idea but every major utility is designed and sized based on demand. It based on economics... it always boils down to the almighty $$

Hydro - You may have a 200 amp electrical service panel in your house. Ya you have 200 amps available to you but the "normal" consumer will only use 20% on average. 8 houses may be fed of a transformer that rated to provide 50kw. 50kw == 208amps. If hydro had to size transformers to make sure everyone could draw 200amps power would cost more because the infrastructure will cost more.

Water - During the stanley cup playoffs in Vancouver during commercial breaks the water pressure for the city dropped dramatically , to the point where higher elevation had no real supply.

Telephone - Others have mentioned before but I think there may only be enough trunks for maybe 10% of subscribers and if everyone picked up their phones many would not get dialtone at all.

Internet - If everyone in Canada started decided to get on the internet and max out their connection what kind of speeds do you think we would get.

I'm not saying what they are doing is right and yes TSI is paying for loop but maybe they should be paying per byte instead.

Since many of you think of internet just as essential as any major utility , like hydro etc, maybe we all should be paying for what we use on the internet just like we do for hydro and water, pay per meg or gig. Bell and TSI are in this to make money. That is the bottom line.

Anyways I would like to also add I think this whole business of the CRTC making telcos provide open access to their networks at cost + 15% to wholesalers destructive to innovation. The big picture in the end will be the telcos will not be concerned in investing in future technologies that will have a huge initial capital investment because the wholesalers will come in and use it at a fraction of the cost. GPON is the perfect example of this. Do you really think BELL and TELUS will pump hundreds of millions into fiber only to have them not be able to see a return on the investment due to wholesalers undercutting them.

Perhaps utilities should all still be in the public hands so they are the ones that profit from their success not the shareholders.

/rant]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20232098 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:33:09 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20230245 anon : I'll definately keep an eye on this situation.

Once I leave for Barrie May the 1st, I will hope things
do not get worse for Tekksavy and its customers.

If Tekksavy by that time gets "Rogers bad" in terms of throttling from Bell, I might as well just stay with
Rogers, or another independent ISP. There's no way I'll
consider Bell Sympatico as an option after what they're
doing to the resellers. It's just plain underhanded.

If things get better, I will definately consider subscribing to Tekksavy's DSL service.

Usenet isn't being affected, is it? Has anyone reported a problem with it anywhere?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20230245 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:09:19 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20229423 sppena : clearly nokiasac does not realize the scope of of this issue. How about I put this in another perspective so you can understand the gravity of the situation.

Would you buy a fuel efficient car if that is only Caped to go to 30km/h?

Would you buy a water bottle that is Caped to fill only half a bottle?

Would you pay for post-secondary education at full price but Caped that you only receive a C+ on every course?

hopyfully now u understand a bit of the situation, if not then its time for you to grow up and face the real world.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20229423 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:40:43 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20228619 moezie : Federal Industry Minister's email is:
Minister.Industry@ic.gc.ca]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20228619 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:13:59 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20228162 The Flash :

said by mazhurg

said by Guspaz

:

Except, when people here in the TekSavvy forum say they're downloading Linux ISOs, we don't mean we're downloading the CD images of linux distributions, we mean we're downloading Angelo's brand of Linux ISOs, which you might otherwise know as porn.

Merciless.... :D

you know what's funny too? Angelo created the thread boasting about his internet speed...only to get busted by someone googling the filename.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20228162 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:56:42 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20228028 mazhurg :

said by Guspaz

Merciless.... :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20228028 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:31:17 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20227713 The Flash :

said by Guspaz

vintage]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20227713 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:26:24 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20227688 Guspaz : Except, when people here in the TekSavvy forum say they're downloading Linux ISOs, we don't mean we're downloading the CD images of linux distributions, we mean we're downloading Angelo's brand of Linux ISOs, which you might otherwise know as porn.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20227688 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:22:08 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20227582 anon :

I love how people always talk about downloading your Linux ISO's. My guess is you must have them all by now or do you just download unbuntu everyday?

Heh. Sure, I download tv and movies as well, but literally while I was writing that last post I was downloading/seeding a torrent for the Fedora 9 beta live CD.

The bottom line is that I pay for a certain level of internet access, and if bell is going change that, than they should at least lower the rates (that is, charge teksavvy less for the filtered bandwidth).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20227582 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 09:56:40 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20227120 lcdguy : This just proof that bell, and more appropriately BCE should be stopped. All they really do is screw around and mess things up. But unfortunately they have almost a monopoly on the telco infrastructure in canada. What is really scary is this throttling issue is only going to fix bells supposed network issue for so long eventually they are going to have to upgrade their network. Anyway enough of that. Maybe we should lobby to the Teachers Pension of Ontario since they have a sizable stake in BCE :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20227120 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 07:49:09 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20227085 GoogleFreak :

said by Guspaz

:

Bell told Rocky BT and P2P, though. And Deadpool has repeatedly told us that (as far as Sympatico customers are concerned) VPNs should not be affected.

Bell probably doesn't care about people trying to circumvent it, because so few people have the technical knowledge to do so. VPN getting throttled (if they really are, and we need to confirm which VPN technologies are throttled) is probably just collateral damage.

You trust Bell I mean they did lie before! Heck I trust the government more than Bell and that says a lot hehe]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20227085 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 07:37:59 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20226969 Angelo_ :

said by nokiasac :

said by CHRoNoSS :

Allow me to give you some legal ideas
A) TSI gives me 1$/month per person get to them to sign up.
they are told be my that they dont traffic shape and have an unlimited plan.
As this is not true its fraud.
because it isn't my fault or TSI's but is in fact bell might be that every user could be party to a class action.

B) The privacy act should get some serious play here, if i rent a room from a landlord its mine, while the common areas are his and shared to me. basically TSI rents the lines and bandwidth, and without proper notice they have changed the rules and harmed not only me but all TSI and other third party
ISP's.
my mental health will suffer as i am disabled and this give sme great stress is another fact.
Bell has lied ot me cheated me , tried to double bill me continously, has threatened me with legal action fo rusing a completely legal application ( utorrent ) of which at time of said threat i was LOL getting a set of freeware ebooks.
all video/audio taped.
now imagine that half a TSI's users are the abused of bell, perhaps we should all pitch in 1$ and that 21000 would definately get a lawyer ( most would want mere 5 grand to start )
seriously my rights have been violated and i am hurt.

Man its just internet. Get over it.

this is a huge deal as it changes everything

TCP/IP is THE protocol of coice these days

so is it ok if 2 days from now i descide you don't deserve to have a phone and throttle your access to make calls to 1 a day. Oh yeah i forgot to tell yeah thats my new terms.

Or how about going to a hospital and being refused treatment?

would you expect that?, NO

so why should this be any different?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20226969 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 06:12:18 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20226744 anon :

Man its just internet. Get over it. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20226744 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 02:43:06 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20226725 Guspaz : That 50k figure was, IIRC, including resellers. They're not technically TekSavvy customers, even though they are effectively.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20226725 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 02:31:22 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20226634 Angelo_ : does it count if i feel like shit bc im sick? :(?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20226634 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 01:40:16 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20226588 anon : Allow me to give you some legal ideas
A) TSI gives me 1$/month per person get to them to sign up.
they are told be my that they dont traffic shape and have an unlimited plan.
As this is not true its fraud.
because it isn't my fault or TSI's but is in fact bell might be that every user could be party to a class action.

B) The privacy act should get some serious play here, if i rent a room from a landlord its mine, while the common areas are his and shared to me. basically TSI rents the lines and bandwidth, and without proper notice they have changed the rules and harmed not only me but all TSI and other third party
ISP's.
my mental health will suffer as i am disabled and this give sme great stress is another fact.
Bell has lied ot me cheated me , tried to double bill me continously, has threatened me with legal action fo rusing a completely legal application ( utorrent ) of which at time of said threat i was LOL getting a set of freeware ebooks.
all video/audio taped.
now imagine that half a TSI's users are the abused of bell, perhaps we should all pitch in 1$ and that 21000 would definately get a lawyer ( most would want mere 5 grand to start )
seriously my rights have been violated and i am hurt.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20226588 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 01:21:36 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20226482 qweloo : Give TSI some time. They just confirmed it today.

I guess they will be talking to other 3rd parties ISP and lawyers before deciding what actions to take before sending something out explaining the what, why, and now what?.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20226482 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 00:40:44 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20226332 inferno_gn : Hi there,

Can Teksavvy actually do an e-mail to all 21k customers explaining the situation and what is going on on the throttling, at least we have a clear and official statement on what we can do and so forth, since I know not all 21k peoples comes here. *lol*

inferno_gn
--
Otaku Anime Network
»www.otakuanime.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20226332 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:55:36 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20226301 anon : Rocky,

Can you confirm that 5410 is the right tariff for us to be poring over (i.e. not 5400 or 5420)? 5410 includes "logical paths to provide network connectivity between GAS Access arrangements and an ADSL AHSSPI by aggregating traffic associated with each GAS Access served from groups of wire centres to a Broadband Access Server (BAS) and subsequently aggregating such traffic from all Company provided BAS to the ADSL AHSSPI." Compare to 5400 which tariffs DS3 AHSSPI. I'm betting they couldn't pull this crap under Item 5400 (fixed 44.736 Mbit/s means no justification for tampering with my bits!)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20226301 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:46:51 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20226000 alec : .]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20226000 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:43:58 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20225976 alec : Any thoughts about sending out an e-mail to all Teksavvy users, with links to current issues or link to the forum? Since probably only 1% or less even know about the forums and the other 99% wanting reasons why they can't download anymore, etc etc

just my 2 cents]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20225976 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:40:48 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20225974 funkytim :

said by Guspaz

Kinda surprised by that, I switched from Sympathico to Teksavvy because at a certain point even with a VPN I'd be throttled]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20225974 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:40:44 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20225901 R0CKY :

said by ultracat

:

Just emailed my MP, will send in the other letters to CRTC, Industry Minister, Competition Bureau etc. tomorrow.

Rocky, all 21,000+ of us are behind you. Make sure you use us to your best advantage. There are many great agruments against this: targeting certain protocols does not target the content (legal or otherwise), Bell's move is monopolistic and anti-competitive, Bell is tampering with TSI customers' service (we are TSI customers, NOT BELL CUSTOMERS!), etc. Best of luck, we are behind you, keep up the communication as usual. Also, if you need to start a legal fund you should do that. Many, many of us would donate. $10 x 21,000 is a good starting pot to get a Bay St. law firm on retainer.

Appreciate the support.... never know... might have to call some of you on this! ;)

Ok... done sitting on my butt... I'm off to TO now!

L8R all!

Rocky
--
TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20225901 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:28:41 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20225879 ultracat : Just emailed my MP, will send in the other letters to CRTC, Industry Minister, Competition Bureau etc. tomorrow.

Rocky, all 21,000+ of us are behind you. Make sure you use us to your best advantage. There are many great agruments against this: targeting certain protocols does not target the content (legal or otherwise), Bell's move is monopolistic and anti-competitive, Bell is tampering with TSI customers' service (we are TSI customers, NOT BELL CUSTOMERS!), etc. Best of luck, we are behind you, keep up the communication as usual. Also, if you need to start a legal fund you should do that. Many, many of us would donate. $10 x 21,000 is a good starting pot to get a Bay St. law firm on retainer. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20225879 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:24:48 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20225856 NBomb : Well, as a customer for over a year now, I'd like to say thank you Rocky and co, you've been good to me. I'm sticking with you, and you have my support in this!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20225856 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:21:23 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20225800 quickbeam : Make a facebook group.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20225800 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:09:35 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20225785 R0CKY :

said by matradley

:

My goodness Rocky... your name is all over the news now. We shall make an anthem for you... "Eye of the Tiger"! :D

LMAO!

If Bell's upper management didn't know who TekSavvy was, they do now!
--
TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20225785 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:06:53 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20225771 matradley : My goodness Rocky... your name is all over the news now. We shall make an anthem for you... "Eye of the Tiger"! :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20225771 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:03:44 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20225749 R0CKY :

said by Omr

:

On the Globe and Mail ... seems like they are downplaying on first glance.

Globe and Mail

Question, I thought TekSavvy had more than 21,000 subscribers ... I thought TSI was on it's way to 50,000 and up?

quote:
But last week, some of Mr. Gaudrault's 21,000 high-speed Internet clients began to report their connections were slowing down, and they wanted to know why. That's when he discovered Bell was restricting the torrent and peer-to-peer traffic of Teksavvy customers.

We have a little over 30,000 end user services, but specific to DSL, 21k.

The balance is made up of Dialup/hosting/IP/Colo services/LAN/etc...
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TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20225749 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:00:07 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20225707 kingb71 : I'm not being throttled (yet). I just obtained something from Waffles & hit about 500 kB/s]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20225707 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:52:50 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20225697 Omr : On the Globe and Mail ... seems like they are downplaying on first glance.

Globe and Mail

Question, I thought TekSavvy had more than 21,000 subscribers ... I thought TSI was on it's way to 50,000 and up?

quote:
But last week, some of Mr. Gaudrault's 21,000 high-speed Internet clients began to report their connections were slowing down, and they wanted to know why. That's when he discovered Bell was restricting the torrent and peer-to-peer traffic of Teksavvy customers.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20225697 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:50:37 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20225444 mlerner :

said by bbuchanan

said by TSI Gabe

said by R0CKY

:

LOL... when you find it, let me know so I can read it too!

Oh I found it! It's in the corner where it says B-E-L-L

LOL - I don't know how many times i've read that tariff (and about a million other ones) over the years, and essentially Bell will do whatever they can until they get forced to play good again.

LOL.. you guys are too funny. Seriously though, so idiotic. I can't even begin to fathom how they can call it wholesale since they control it like reselling.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20225444 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:03:58 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20225409 bbuchanan :

said by TSI Gabe

said by R0CKY

:

LOL... when you find it, let me know so I can read it too!

Oh I found it! It's in the corner where it says B-E-L-L

LOL - I don't know how many times i've read that tariff (and about a million other ones) over the years, and essentially Bell will do whatever they can until they get forced to play good again.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20225409 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:56:32 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20225401 TSI Gabe :

said by R0CKY

:

LOL... when you find it, let me know so I can read it too!

Oh I found it! It's in the corner where it says B-E-L-L
--
TSI Gabe - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20225401 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:54:45 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20225374 R0CKY : LOL... when you find it, let me know so I can read it too!
--
TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20225374 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:51:05 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20225110 qweloo :

said by jfmezei

:

I suggests people startby reading it straight from the horse's mouth:

»www.bce.ca/en/aboutbce/regulator···20%20%20

This is a www dot bce dot ca URL that points to a .PDF document that contains the Tariff 5410 governing the Gateway Access Service. If this is the right version, it would be the tariff that governs the service Bell provides to carry an end user's data from him home to his ISP.

You can then *call* the CRTC at 1-877-249-CRTC . The person will take down your name , phone number and general subject (mention Bell's GAS tariff being changed by Bell without CRTC approval) and someone should call you back within 48 hours.

When you get the call back, you can ask about the best way to comment/complain about Bell new interpretation of its powers under GAS. MOre importantly, a high volume of calsl about the same issue would alert the CRTC of the issue.

I dont see any clause regarding fair usage on that link. Somebody sees it ?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20225110 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:03:56 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20225074 anon : im totally not throttled then again ive done a few things to my box.
i had a real bad time very very recently with bell and the more you go at them back the more mouthy they got.
all the times and speeds indicate some kinda protocol shape for one.
2) i have them on tap esaying that all isps will be shaping soon.
3) i have them on tape ( bell ) threatening me legally for USING utorrent ( not what i was dling what i was using )
the video shows me dling a public domain video , while this jerk on phone goes on and on.
I also have several more interesting tapes that i owuld love to lend to any class action suit as to the business practices of bell canada.
would prolly be quite interesting stuff when you consider that in one month i had transfer both ways of about 3GB of stuff, mostly public domain and free things.
i am now creating an online opensource game and would like to give something back to the world and i use bittorrent to distribute. Now making me pay more for no reason is actionable. ive read the tarriff pdf and as long as teksavvy pays the bill , i dont get this.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20225074 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:56:53 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20224960 s49 : Just a minor update, I'm actually hitting a 75-100kB/s cap, which started around 6. From 430 to 6 I was getting 30.

Bell is consistent with their time frames but going a little random with their p2p cap.

Either way, it still sucks. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20224960 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:34:48 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20224676 InvalidError : Came back from work, started a couple of torrents... yup, my line is now fully throttled: I can neither upload nor download torrents faster than 30KB/s.

I never imagined I would see the days of 10+h torrent ETAs on download again... I am seriously disappointed now. 150KB/s was still within the realm of tolerable but 30KB/s is ridiculous.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20224676 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:43:10 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20224612 jfmezei : I suggests people startby reading it straight from the horse's mouth:

»www.bce.ca/en/aboutbce/regulator···20%20%20

This is a www dot bce dot ca URL that points to a .PDF document that contains the Tariff 5410 governing the Gateway Access Service. If this is the right version, it would be the tariff that governs the service Bell provides to carry an end user's data from him home to his ISP.

You can then *call* the CRTC at 1-877-249-CRTC . The person will take down your name , phone number and general subject (mention Bell's GAS tariff being changed by Bell without CRTC approval) and someone should call you back within 48 hours.

When you get the call back, you can ask about the best way to comment/complain about Bell new interpretation of its powers under GAS. MOre importantly, a high volume of calsl about the same issue would alert the CRTC of the issue.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20224612 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:31:21 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20224569 matradley :

said by johnnyc :

Man, i'm soooooo glad these moviez and warez are getting throttled:

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_Des···Protocol

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Shell

etc.

sigh...

Bell is concerned that you might be watching illegal movies over RDP! Those image refreshes = amazing frame rate. :/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20224569 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:25:30 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20224566 UT_CK : As soon as anyone can leave Rogers or Bell ... DO IT !!

Don't you people realize that staying with them makes them stronger ? Money is power and you are empowering them with your money.

If you believe that the status quo is ok .. then you are also contributing to the problem...

Please do the right thing and punish them for what they are doing. Hit them with you wallet.

CK]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20224566 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:25:18 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20224522 anon : Man, i'm soooooo glad these moviez and warez are getting throttled:

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_Des···Protocol

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Shell

etc.

sigh...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20224522 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:19:37 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20224455 anon : How bad can we expect this throttling to get from Bells side? I've never had Tekksavy. Am with Rogers Express right now.

If it gets "Rogers bad" we just might as well
start re-subscribing to Bell and Rogers again! :(
What bloody difference will it make?

This is really starting to suck! :mad:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20224455 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:03:41 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20224419 habskilla : Or CBC content!

I want to be the next great PM!!!

:)
--
GO LEAFS GO (all the way to the golf course)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20224419 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:57:56 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20224380 anon : I love how people always talk about downloading your Linux ISO's. My guess is you must have them all by now or do you just download unbuntu everyday?

Plain and simple this is about moviez and warez. How many more threads will be created? Lots.

I'm glad to finally see this happening. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20224380 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:49:42 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20224153 anon : I'm not sure of what to do? I'm moving May 1st to Barrie. I want to leave Rogers because of their throttling torrent uploading to an absolute miminum.

Now all the little ISP's that seemed promising, may now have to be out of my plans. Tekksavy,Cybernet and others
are being meddled with. I might as well just stay with Rogers if every little 3rd party ISP is being throttled.

It certainly doesn't leave my, or many others with options to choose for enjoying the internet. :huh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20224153 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:14:26 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20224087 anon : I can't believe that after almost two years of being completely bell-free (aside from the dry line), that they are still finding ways to screw with me. great.

Not only does it affect me directly (hell, I just finished downloading a Linux iso), but it's a bad precedent to set with Bell. If they are allowed to get away with this, what happens next?

I plan on writing to my MP about this as soon as possible.
I wonder if someone who is more eloquent/tech savvy (no pun intended) would be interested in drafting a form letter or list of points to help me write an effective email (not something to cut+paste, but just something to help get started).

I think that sort of thing would also help motivate other people to send letters.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20224087 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:04:26 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223698 ToniCipriani : On bas4-kitchener06 right now, ran a test, as of now no throttling.

But I think I'm moving into a throttled area soon I suppose...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223698 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:55:43 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223668 Radar73 :

said by R0CKY

:

Ok... Here's the deal...

They're now openly acknowledging that they are rolling out a full throttling process. They plan to have things fully throttled by April 7th. All BT and P2P traffic will be affected.

They claim they are allowed to do so according to their Terms and Services under the Fair Usage Policy in the tariffed contracts... We'll be looking into this shortly.

The meeting was with Sales and Product Management. They will be preparing a formal letter before end of week.

In the meantime, we (many other ISPs) are going to prepare as well... I guess the high road is the path taken in this case.

Spread the word one and all as this topic needs to reach every level possible... There's now officially an issue and action must be taken by all if we're to rectify things.

Fair Usage Policy what a crock ... I'm so upset.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223668 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:52:03 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223454 jessy : and my question is:

"fully throttled" as in all wholesalers OR 24h/24... or is it AND ?

anyway, that won't stop me from registering at teksavvy next week. there goes my support... and I'm sure Rocky and his folks need it. :P

jessy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223454 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:20:04 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223408 Guspaz : Let us know if it does, and which type of VPN/tunnel/proxy you were using.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223408 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:10:17 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223391 NeTwOrKDawg : I sincerely hope this does not affect any other encrypted traffic/transports, as I use ADSL for backup lines at my offices. If this is the case, there goes my cheap backup WAN.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223391 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:08:03 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223374 anon : I switched from bell to teksavvy in December for this very cause, and now bell's continuing to screw us over.. I support teksavvy 100% and whatever we need to do, I'd be glad to help.

I'm in London, and haven't been affected by the throttling yet, but I expect it soon.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223374 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:06:22 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223363 mazhurg : Does not matter. My understanding is that TSI contracts for a certain amount of bandwith. Unless, and until such bandwith becomes saturated, they really have no legal rights to interfere with the traffic herein and a transparent excuse such as T&S under fair usage is bull. To start with, as a telecommunitation carrier, they must remain hands off to data; secondly, who the F&^%ck decided that P2P and BT traffic is illegal? What court said so?

For once I do hope that all those fly by night lawyers slap so many lawsuit on Bell to run it under.

We should never let a corporation get this big and in control of monopolies.

Break them up!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223363 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:05:00 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223354 Etheric : Another link about this to vote up:
»reddit.com/info/6dcfm/comments/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223354 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:04:23 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223346 anon : Smart thing for rogers would be to stop throttling about now. Not going to happen but one can hope]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223346 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:03:28 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223290 Guspaz : Bell told Rocky BT and P2P, though. And Deadpool has repeatedly told us that (as far as Sympatico customers are concerned) VPNs should not be affected.

Bell probably doesn't care about people trying to circumvent it, because so few people have the technical knowledge to do so. VPN getting throttled (if they really are, and we need to confirm which VPN technologies are throttled) is probably just collateral damage.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223290 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:54:53 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223286 W16 : Digg article (I know, repost - but necessary):
»digg.com/tech_news/Bell_Secretly···Services]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223286 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:54:18 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223268 jfmezei : Mr Rocky:

Do you know if business lines (which are different only because of some flag in the billing record) will also get the throttling, or will Bell be able to setup their system to not throttle certain customers ?

Is the throttling done at a level where they could avoid the throttling based on the domain/realm (aka: @teksavvy.com pppoe connections).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223268 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:52:19 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223240 anon : I was happy with the line speed and responsiveness of the line I had with Rogers IF it had not degraded significantly while I was away. The slowdown happened at points within Rogers control. I just cannot stand waiting 20 seconds for every page click that I do on the web. Someone else on the floor went with Rogers phone service and the service on his cable improved significantly, I dropped several television channels and my performance dropped. I am not a huge user of bittorent, nor a huge downloader (odd software downloads, odd video clip downloads).

I was getting better service in a 3rd world country than I was getting with Rogers after I came back.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223240 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:48:21 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223236 Flannel :

said by Guspaz

:

[...]Does this include VPN traffic?[...]

With Sympatico it affected VPN and anything else encrypted... simply because they are encrypted. Bell was throttling all encrypted traffic to prevent encrypted/obfuscated P2P. Sucks.

So I guess the Google map will be all red by early April, so it's inevitable.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223236 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:47:31 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223233 bacon612 : Im in. Lets rock out with some open VPN action.

This is TOTAL BS.

IT IS NOW OFFICIAL THAT AS A CANADIAN LIVING IN TORONTO, I NO LONGER HAVE ACCESS TO CLEAN INTERNET. **CK ME!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223233 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:47:09 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223223 MisawaGQ : It looks like the CRTC is going to have to step in, and that will take time. Meanwhile, Bell will be allowed to control the service of its competition all the while. The millions of dollars they could be facing in fines is no consolation. This could end up being a huge story, with serious and hopefully positive repercussions for the future of the internet in this country.
--
"Let them hate, so long as they fear" -- Lucius Accius]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223223 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:45:57 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223222 jfmezei : Mr Rocky,

Can you confirm that tariff 5410 is the applicable tariff ?

Can you confirm that tariff 5410 (if applicable) is regulated/approved by the CRTC ?

And if so, can we start our complaints to the CRTC before you (the ISPs) do, or should we wait for ISPs to make their initial complaints and then send our complaints to re-enforce the existing ISP complaints ?

Have you spoken with other ISPs already ? Do you have a good feeling that they are willing to fight this with you ?

In a way, i am glad of this response. It is better than I expected in that it is truly a black and white issue, no grey area in there such as a temporary measure that would go away eventually, limited only to areas Bell feels need some capacity management.

In your opinion, does Bell expect this to pass without much of a brouhaha, or do they know there will be a serious fight in the public eye and CRTC involvement ?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223222 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:45:54 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223219 Etheric : TekSavvy's Home Phone service can't come soon enough!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223219 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:45:50 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223200 Guspaz :

said by R0CKY

:

All BT and P2P traffic will be affected.

Does this include VPN traffic? Because while TekSavvy must take the high road, we users are within our rights to colocate a box at 151 Front. and use a VPN to stop Bell from messing with our traffic.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223200 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:41:38 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223192 bacon612 :

said by jfmezei

:

>good. So lets all stay with an ISP that cant control their
>network. Wicked idea man!

Going to Bell (who can control their network) only encourages Bell's terrible tactics.

Staying with a 3rd party ISP like Teksavvy still gives you advantages such as higher bandwidth limits, no contract, half decent technical support with humans on the same continent etc etc.

So while the value of the offering will have gone down due to throttling, the ISPs likle Teksavvy will still be offering a better deal than Sympatico or the cable companies who have far more restrictions (no servers, no fixed IPs, blocked ports etc)

....YET]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223192 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:40:05 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223190 bacon612 : Tell us in detail what we can do to help. You have a dedicated customer base, use them....

Im sure you already know this, Rocky. But this is not good news...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223190 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:38:53 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223184 The Flash :

said by R0CKY

Holy crap, this is huge news.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223184 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:38:18 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223175 jfmezei : >good. So lets all stay with an ISP that cant control their
>network. Wicked idea man!

Going to Bell (who can control their network) only encourages Bell's terrible tactics.

Staying with a 3rd party ISP like Teksavvy still gives you advantages such as higher bandwidth limits, no contract, half decent technical support with humans on the same continent etc etc.

So while the value of the offering will have gone down due to throttling, the ISPs likle Teksavvy will still be offering a better deal than Sympatico or the cable companies who have far more restrictions (no servers, no fixed IPs, blocked ports etc)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223175 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:36:50 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223174 R0CKY : Ok... Here's the deal...

They're now openly acknowledging that they are rolling out a full throttling process. They plan to have things fully throttled by April 7th. All BT and P2P traffic will be affected.

They claim they are allowed to do so according to their Terms and Services under the Fair Usage Policy in the tariffed contracts... We'll be looking into this shortly.

The meeting was with Sales and Product Management. They will be preparing a formal letter before end of week.

In the meantime, we (many other ISPs) are going to prepare as well... I guess the high road is the path taken in this case.

Spread the word one and all as this topic needs to reach every level possible... There's now officially an issue and action must be taken by all if we're to rectify things.
--
TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223174 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:36:46 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223150 bacon612 : good. So lets all stay with an ISP that cant control their network. Wicked idea man!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223150 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:33:22 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223143 The Flash :

said by bacon612

:

To build on your point about getting what you are promised, How would you feel about TSI if they promised that they wont throttle your torrents, and then all of the sudden they do....?

They do what they can control.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223143 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:32:20 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223122 bacon612 : Sorry to sound like such a Grinch on this thread guys. But i am sooooo furious that in Toronto, my hometown and also the largest city in Canada and one of the largest in North America, I cant get a speedy, connection without any throttling or packet shaping.

If this continues, I will snap and move to Japan so I can eat sushi everyday with a 100MBPS wireless connection.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223122 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:28:09 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223091 bacon612 : Ill put money on it that I would be able to max out the rogers connection that you were having issues with. If you were able to get 9 meg on speedtest.net and you are still complaining, you clearly do not understand the mechanics of the internet.

To build on your point about getting what you are promised, How would you feel about TSI if they promised that they wont throttle your torrents, and then all of the sudden they do....? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223091 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:21:11 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223057 jfmezei : What is a shame here is that Bell knows full well that they can screw all DSL customers since we have nowhere to go and will be forced to accept Bell's policies.

And if, as I suspect, the ISPs don't mount a serious fight, then individual complainst to the CRTC/Ministers won't have much weight.

What Bell is doing is mutilating the service it sells to ISPs. If the ISPs are happy with the mutilated service and do not complain to the CRTC, then our complains will fall on deaf ears.

Remember that if the ISP accept Bell's policies, it means that they accept this type of traffic management and will add those features to their official offering. At that point, you purchase a service with throttling from teksavvy.

The CRTC has no jurisdiction on what teksavvy sells to us. That portion is not regulated.

The portion that is regulated is what Bell sells to Teksavvy. If the ISPs are too scared to complain, then we can't do much about it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223057 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:14:03 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223016 anon : Before I went away for 2 months, I had great speed from Rogers. I then downgraded cable from practically everything to a few select packages. When I came back, the service was running slow. I did a speed test with CNET and it said it was 500K (which was what it felt). Went to Rogers tech support, they pointed me to select sites (speedtest.net and theirs) which undoubtedly they gave priority to.... it said I was receiving around 9 Meg. I told them that I was getting no-where near that in reality - they told me that since it went fast to them on their tests - they could do nothing more for me. I said that basically they were telling me it was time to find another ISP, and they told me to have a good day. One week later (this weekend), my ISP service from Rogers came to an end - replaced with TekSavvy. Why pay for something when in reality you never get what you are promised. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223016 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:07:47 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223005 midnighter :

said by UT_CK

:

Hi TO User,

Please reconsider that train of thought, by reverting to the evil empire you are actually aiding them in realizing their objective. The honourable thing to do would be to punish them for being unethical and underhanded.

If they realize that their tactics does not discourage clients from leaving them, they may reconsider.

If they succeed in recovering past-users, they will undoubtedly continue this practice.

Hold in there and please ... support good ISP's like TekSavvy by giving them your business. I for one would remain with TekSavvy ..even if it cost me more.

I think that by holding on to these values , my mother would be proud :)

CK
{:(B)

Excellent point there.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223005 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:05:58 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222997 UT_CK : Hi TO User,

Please reconsider that train of thought, by reverting to the evil empire you are actually aiding them in realizing their objective. The honourable thing to do would be to punish them for being unethical and underhanded.

If they realize that their tactics does not discourage clients from leaving them, they may reconsider.

If they succeed in recovering past-users, they will undoubtedly continue this practice.

Hold in there and please ... support good ISP's like TekSavvy by giving them your business. I for one would remain with TekSavvy ..even if it cost me more.

I think that by holding on to these values , my mother would be proud :)

CK
{:(B)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222997 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:04:47 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222978 anon : I think we are getting a bit side tracked here. Can't wait to hear from Rocky what Bell told him during their meeting.

My momma always told me you can attarct bees with honey better than Vinegar and it feels so much like Bell and Rogers dont seem to understand that theory.

Why not release a statement to all Bell users that they will throttle Downloads and Uploads during the evening hours of 4pm to midnight then leave it untouched the rest of the day. If they told us this and were up front about it, I'd shut down my P2P programs during those hours and leave it running during the "off hours". A simple solution to a simple problem because how many moms and dads are up at 1 am surfing the web. To me, this throttling business is a great way to piss off the most vocal and most knowledgeable part of the internet community. Don't tell Bell needs their precious bandwidth in the middle of the night. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222978 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:02:27 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222973 bacon612 : Guspaz, I agree with you. If i were to get charged overage with Rogers in the future, i would loose my mind. But, since I didnt in the past, I would be willing to give it a chance again.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222973 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:01:54 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222954 The Flash :

said by bacon612

:

As for the guy that relies on TSI suport, how many TSI users really rely on their Tech support? I actually had fun telling the techs at rogers that they had no idea what they were talking about. :D

They're just trying to do their job, stop giving them a hard time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222954 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:59:06 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222941 Guspaz : Again, compare the caps. Yes, your 10megs down is nice, but I'd rather have double the cap than double the speed when choosing between 95GB and 200GB.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222941 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:57:35 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222927 bacon612 : OK compare apples to apples.

TSI lucky to get 5 megs/ 800k in GTA

Rogers Up to 10 megs down and 1 up guarented wherever you are in the city.

Honestly, if ADSL2 doesnt come soon and TSI gets screwed with this throttle crap. I wont stay with TSI because I feel sorry for them.

As for the guy that relies on TSI suport, how many TSI users really rely on their Tech support? I actually had fun telling the techs at rogers that they had no idea what they were talking about. :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222927 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:55:46 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222874 The Flash :

said by Homer88

:

Hmm... throttling seems to have stopped here at Sheppard and Bayview (torrents are going above 30Kb... at 300Kb/sec+) and its 1:40PM...

How many of you want to bet Bell's excuse for this was all an "accident"? Like... some drone accidentally pressed the wrong button as they were updating the equpitment...? lol

Isn't throttling between 4pm - 2am?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222874 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:50:30 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222866 Homer88 : Hmm... throttling seems to have stopped here at Sheppard and Bayview (torrents are going above 30Kb... at 300Kb/sec+) and its 1:40PM...

How many of you want to bet Bell's excuse for this was all an "accident"? Like... some drone accidentally pressed the wrong button as they were updating the equpitment...? lol]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222866 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:49:55 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222837 Guspaz : Compare apples to apples; extreme has a 95GB cap, so you're comparing against the $29.95 Premium (200GB cap) service. This makes Rogers $9.04 more expensive (more if you have a TSI group rate, which is possible only on Premium accounts).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222837 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:45:36 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222807 anon : If I get the Extreme with the 15% discount for having Rogers phone and cable and cell phone (all of which I have), then Rogers is actually 38.99 for me which is cheaper than the 39.99 I pay to TSI right now. Don't get me wrong, I hate Rogers and Bell because they ARE the Evil Empire and I realize that but, if I am being throttled on a slower DSL line and my net experience is hindered not only from a P2P level but also surfing and gaming level, then I really am not left much choice. While I realize TSI is not responsible, I have a feeling they are going to hit hard by this move by Bell. Its interesting that Bell is willing to screw their OWN 3rd party providers and help Rogers out in the process.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222807 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:39:43 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222733 The Flash :

said by Toronto User :

Who said I have to go back to DSL?? The only reason to go to TSI from what Im seeing is for the P2P freedom. If thats taken away, why not go to Rogers who gives you much higher speeds for Newsgroups, AND better speeds for surfing. To me, Bell is going about this all wrong because if I cant get P2P DSL, there is no reason for me NOT to go back to Rogers.

There are more reasons to go with TSI other than P2P freedom...price? tech support? owners who care?

There are so many reasons NOT to go Rogers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222733 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:28:05 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222710 Flannel : Yes. But I wrote: "Teksavvy is still the best ISP with great service and a great price.", that was my simple point, what I wrote... I didn't write you have to stay with DSL. Sure you can go to Rogers' service, but it costs more, and extreme costs a lot more (and you will still have throttling)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222710 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:24:20 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222702 Guspaz : Also, Rogers is throttled too. So while you might have a throttled connection either way, and your Rogers connection would be "faster", you'd still have a higher cap (and a lower price) with TekSavvy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222702 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:23:34 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222679 anon : You will be charged overage from Rogers now. All their sales channels received new information about the new Rogers pricing over the past month, and it had constant reminders of overage fees and the new 'Bandwidth Limits'.

Extreme has a 95GB cap, Express has 60GB]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222679 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:20:15 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222646 anon : Who said I have to go back to DSL?? The only reason to go to TSI from what Im seeing is for the P2P freedom. If thats taken away, why not go to Rogers who gives you much higher speeds for Newsgroups, AND better speeds for surfing. To me, Bell is going about this all wrong because if I cant get P2P DSL, there is no reason for me NOT to go back to Rogers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222646 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:15:34 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222600 bacon612 : If my TSI connections become throttled I will be moving back to Rogers. Better speeds with lower latencies. I was on extreme, did well over 200 gigs a month and never got charged for overage. Not sure if this goes for anyone, but I wasnt charged a dime for overage with rogers. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222600 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:07:46 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222582 Flannel :

said by Toronto User :

[...]I've thought bout getting Teksavvy but not any time soon until this mess is resolved.

Teksavvy is still the best ISP with great service and a great price. If you live in a throttled area, it's beyond your control, Teksavvy remains the best ISP choice, regardless. This situation doesn't change that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222582 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:04:45 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222564 Kdee : It's also hit the blogasphere:

»itnerd.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/···ice-wtf/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222564 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:01:53 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222433 HiVolt :

said by habskilla

:

DSL in eastern Canada is alive, cap, and throttle free thank you!

PS Aliant even has a 10/1 connection.

Wait till frank & gordon sink their teef into your infrastructure.
--
GO LEAFS GO!
Don't question the authoritaaaa!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222433 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:38:40 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222415 habskilla : DSL in eastern Canada is alive, cap, and throttle free thank you!

PS Aliant even has a 10/1 connection.
--
GO LEAFS GO (all the way to the golf course)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222415 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:36:29 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222389 Wes C Addle :

said by Bell_Abused

:

Its on the Dr. Michael Geist Site

»www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2782/125/

"Bell Secretly Throttling Wholesale Internet Services?"

This is a GREAT place to let your voice be heard since he holds the Canada Research Chair of Internet and E-commerce Law at the University of Ottawa.

Many policy makers/politicians reference his site.

He also runs CIPPIC, The Canadian Internet Policy and Public Interest Clinic. Which many should complain to as well to see if a class action is even possible should the meeting today be of a sour note.

We should Digg this shit up: »digg.com/tech_news/Bell_Secretly···Services]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222389 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:30:03 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222295 The Flash :

said by Toronto User :

It is when people plan on leaving a service because of all that publicity. I've thought bout getting Teksavvy but not any time soon until this mess is resolved.

well good luck with any DSL provider right now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222295 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:09:01 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222213 anon : It is when people plan on leaving a service because of all that publicity. I've thought bout getting Teksavvy but not any time soon until this mess is resolved.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222213 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:50:24 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222169 TwentyMBPS : Over 13,000 hits on this thread. Haven't seen anything that high in a while. No publicity is bad.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222169 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:41:32 EDT Re: Now on Slashdot http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222140 GoogleFreak : At least Teksavvy is getting free publicity.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222140 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:35:54 EDT Now on Slashdot http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222072 Gokuu : »yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=···from=rss]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20222072 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:20:18 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20221786 anon : Gokuu's google map is making the rounds on the news sites.

»www.p2pnet.net/story/15383

I hope Rocky isn't told that this isn't a "material change" in service that he buys from Bell.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20221786 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:16:29 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20221745 Kareeser : Best of luck, Rocky!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20221745 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:06:51 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20221672 Black Moon : Fascinating thread. While I don't endorse throttling in any way, if this prevents the network from going titsup then so be it. I'd rather have a slow connection than no connection.

That said, Bell should/could have anticipated this and planned ahead. What does get me, though, is the lack of transparency; just do it behind people's back like Rogers.

Let's see what Rocky can do today.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20221672 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:50:00 EDT Re: Teksavvy's throttling now? Just a vent, nothing is needed. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20221661 jfmezei : >My concern is that if I experienced no netword problems
>before the throttle, why does Bell need to reduce P2P traffic
>in my area by 94%, which as I understand it, P2P accounts for >most traffic on the network?

Think about it. If Bell designed its ADSL network with HTTP transactions in mind (short bursts of traffic followed by long periods of inactivity while person reads the page), they would have siced their links accordingly (aka: so many megabit/ per DSLAM etc).

"p2p" results in constant activity on the lines. And that screws up Bell's capacity planning. So instead of increaseing capacity to handle this, they decide to block it, thus eliminating the capacity problem.

This is the moral equivalent of Bell saying it will continue to have unmetered local voice/POTS service, but will disconnect any voice call that last more than 15 minutes.

Why implement it in places where there is no congestion ? Because by rolling this thing out to all places, it will be a preventive measure to prevent any one link from ever being oversubscribed since there will no longer be any steady traffic that eats up bandwdith.

Bell is fixing the capacity problem not by increasing capacity to handle demand, but by forcing demand to go down and preventing it from rising in areas where it hasn't risen yet.

And don't bet your life on TSI coming back from Bell and telling us the whole picture. It is quite possible that Bell may force them to sign an NDA in order to get the real picture of what Bell intends to do.

It will be *very* interesting to see what Rocky&Friends are able to tell us when their tractor returns from the big ivory towers where the Bell civil servants spend their time pushing papers and creating powerpoint presentations to convince their boss to implement some new policy like throttling.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20221661 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:45:28