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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Yeah I don't care what you say ... i've been a client for a long time and you started throttle....damn you or whoever is doing it!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1313634"><b>hardywang</b></A> : Samething happens to me. BT download won't be faster than 30k/s. If I download from Microsoft web site, it easily reaches 400k/s.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><b>Guspaz</b></A> : Talk about thread necrophelia...<br><br>The community has found numerous solutions to get around the throttling. Look around the forum.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1311511"><b>drjp81</b></A> : In all honesty the only supplier I know that is 100% throttle free at the moment is Videotron in the province of Quebec and Telus elsewhere.<br><br>Problem is, you'd have to get everyone to use the said secure channel tool. (open SSH or open VPN are a few) The moment bell's DPI boxes detect a Torrent packet, incoming and possibly out, bang throttle. So if everyone was throttled equally, something would pop up quite quickly.<br><br>I don't see how it would be feasible.<br><br>Edit  spelling<br><br>Anyone? <br><small>--<br>Cheers!--<br>I reserve the right to use any private message <br>in these boards if you behave like a horse a$$ in it.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1547380"><b>xraminx</b></A> : Anyone has a practical technical workaround that can readily be deployed and will help us avoid being throttled. <br><br>Something like a "secure channel" that can be established over a random port each time the service starts. This way they have to throttle all services (including http). Is there such service/software out there?<br><br>What about other alternatives? Satellite? WiMax? ...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/657192"><b>nitzguy</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  UT_CK <A HREF="/useremail/u/1524289"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Ok Lazy,  :)<br>The 30 KB/s is download only.<br><br>CK<br>{:(B)<br> </div>Oh ok, then I don't feel the throttle ;).  Had some torrents going at around 100-150kB/s last night...I'm wireless so I'm happy enough with that performance...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1524289"><b>UT_CK</b></A> : Ok Lazy,  :)<br>The 30 KB/s is download only.<br><br>CK<br>{:(B)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/657192"><b>nitzguy</b></A> : Ok,<br><br>I'm brand new to DSL and to TekSavvy and this whole throttling thing has me confused (formerly from Rogers Portable Internet/WiMax 1.5mb connection).<br><br>Is this 30kB/s strictly from a download standpoint on the throttle or a combined 30kB/s (say 15kb up/15kb down)...<br><br>Just wondering so I know if I should goof with my connections and whatnot or just leave them alone...<br><br>I don't know if its listed in here, but ...I'm lazy :)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1549990"><b>berethorn</b></A> : I have Ubuntu, and since the release of Hardy 8.04 the repositories have been slow as you described. At least with Ubuntu, it's not a throttling issue. <br><br>I see you fixed it, but for anyone else who might be experiencing this problem, try this:<br><br>System > Administration > Software Sources > click "Download from", then "Other", then "Select Best Server"<br><br>Worked for me - I just did it a few minutes ago and now I'm back to full speed downloading!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : If you have problems with Linux upgrades with all mirrors, at specific time, find someone who does not (e.g. a friend with cable), then report it to the CRTC:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r20371100-Is-your-VoIP-or-VPN-affected-by-Bells-throttling-practices">Is your VoIP or VPN affected by Bell's throttling practices?</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1549057"><b>dscott23</b></A> : Well, I've been throttled since this all started, but it was limited strictly to torrent transfers. Now, it seems I've got a different problem.<br><br>I run a Debian system, and am in the middle of a dist-upgrade from stable to testing. It's a large upgrade, about 700MB of new packages required. When I started, I was getting my full transfer speeds... then it suddenly dropped, around 7:30pm. <br><br>I would consider it a slow connection from the debian server I'm getting the packages from, except it's maxing out at 30KB, and it's the only thing affected (aside from torrents, which are also capped at 30KB). So what was to take 20 min. to download is now going to take 4 hours. <br><br>Any other linux users experiencing this? This is absurd.<br><br>edit: I tried changing the repo server I connect to, and speeds are back. I was initially using the servers at York University, and have changed to http.us.debian. Hopefully it keeps up.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1511619"><b>Sash55</b></A> : Hey, seems not everything is throttled. The CBC's next great prime minister I was able to download at full speed. <br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.mininova.org/tor/1266417" >www.mininova.org/tor/1266417</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1311511"><b>drjp81</b></A> : Still unthrottled in Longueuil (Quebec) dloading ubuntu at 500KB/s<br><small>--<br>Cheers!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1478899"><b>xPBxNaStY</b></A> : im still unthrottled. im 30 km's south of windsor]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1127829"><b>sknighti</b></A> : I heard newsgroups were throttled but was wondering which newsgroup services were and what ports they were using]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1510883"><b>georgej214</b></A> : I have noticed some kind of throttling today.  Switched from Bell to tekavvy for a few months. Usually I can get around 300KB/s download speed. Now download speed has been sharped at around 70KB/s, sometimes even worse, only at 30KB/s.  Speedtest was normal as usual. What happen? <br>I am going to cancel my bell home phone!  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><b>Guspaz</b></A> : Pointe-Claire got throttled as far as Sympatico is concerned quite some time ago :P]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : At 02:02 EDT, my torrent went from a pretty stable 56KB/s down, and 43 up to 180KB/s and 65 up.  (this didn't last long because my download finished quickly once that rate was achieved.)<br><br>So it looks like Pointe Claire Qu&eacute;bec got infected by Bell's throttling disease.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1383253"><b>Reimer</b></A> : throttling seems to be at 60 KB/s at times]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1067718"><b>GDSComp</b></A> : I don't see any need to get upset. I saw the news tonite on CBC and Rocky was doin a fine job on the phone..15 calls in conference. ...oh ya, who's your long distance provider ? Ma Bell is playin games as usual..don't get mad..get even..Boycott all Bell appliances..cell phones etc.  just wait ..the guys at TekSavvy are lookin into phone service...keep up the great work Rocky..you know what I think of Beavers....LoL... ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1315753"><b>n00bicals3</b></A> : reminds me of dial up. once i tried to download a movie on kazaa, and it took a week of night downloading to get it, and then it turns out to not be what i wanted, damn fakes :(]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1315753"><b>n00bicals3</b></A> : i see. i was recommending my parents to switch from bell to teksavvy once the contract runs out in the summer. i suppose its still worth it just to get away from the idiotic customer service! its not cheaper for them though until the modem is paid off, since they are on the old unlimited $35/month plan, which was great until they started with this nonsense... why don't rogers and bell invest in fiber networks? fios would be nice, and it would alleviate the so called congestion... i also think p2p would do great things for the distribution of HDTV under fibre optics, if only someone would step up and do it.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : Everyone knows that when parents tells kids to NOT do something, it is a sure bet that the kids will do it :-)<br><br>As a result, I downloaded BittOrent for my mac yesterday. I am a newbie at this.<br><br>I found a Linux ISO of Family Guy spoofing a Star Wars movie.<br>Tonight, I was barely doing 25KB/s and even less on the upload. <br><br>At 01:00 EDT, the number very rapidly rose to near 60 KB/s for both down and up (I now have about 50% of it downloaded, so I can start to feed new newcomers to the torrent).<br><br>If this is the shape of things to come, it makes downloeading somd 300meg file WAY too painful to be of use. This is absolutely terrible.<br><br>The technology is interesting. But last night, I tried to downlaod the same movie, (different file) and it turned out to be some microsoft WMV file with some DRM on it (aka: unusable file.<br><br>Hopefully the file that will have taken over 6 hours to download with some 29 seeders tonight will be usable.<br><br>Waiting 6 hours to find out if you can even do somethng with the file you've just downloaded is not tolerable.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1435323"><b>ftp1020</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  n00bicals3 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1315753"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>i know this is a dumb question, but is it possible for teksavvy to get their service from the US providers? is it possible to connect directly to the "raw" internet like the big telcos do?<br> </div>They can and do (Peer1 and Cogent).  The throttling problem exists between your house and Teksavvy, ie. Bell's copper wires and central offices/DSLAMs.  Your phone wires would have to terminate somewhere other than Bell equipment to avoid the throttling.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1315753"><b>n00bicals3</b></A> : i know this is a dumb question, but is it possible for teksavvy to get their service from the US providers? is it possible to connect directly to the "raw" internet like the big telcos do?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 01:07:47 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : getting throttled here in the Ottawa valley too (Arnprior to be exact). I'm only mildly concerned that my bittorrents are downloading at under 30 kb/s, (after all, how much pr0n can one person watch) but I suspect my work (encrypted FTP transfer of big-assed files) is being affected too. Anyone else having similar problems?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Yay I'm getting throttled now... 30kb/s regular and 50 kb/s SSL/SSH. I love TekSavvy but fuck you Bell.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><b>Guspaz</b></A> : Don't blame yourself too hard, the throttling is brand new, and we've got a TON of anecdotal evidence (or actual testing but spread all over). As the throttling stays in place for a longer period of time, we'll get a better idea of exactly how it works.<br><br>I'm just waiting for myself to get throttled in Montreal before I start testing things in earnest. It's a frustrating wait. I want to be throttled <i>now</i> :D]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/774632"><b>ymboc</b></A> : son-of-a-b...!... great so I've been spreading mis-information. Nothing pisses me off more than misinformation. F!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><b>Guspaz</b></A> : Yes:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r20242913-">Re: Setup Multiple VPN servors to combat Bell Throttle?</A><br><br>EDIT: Deadpool is Bell (Sympatico) management, so you know.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/774632"><b>ymboc</b></A> : ... I hope it isn't as simple as that... You're suggesting they've white listed nntp traffic on port 119?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><b>Guspaz</b></A> : It has been said by Deadpool that running anything on a non-standard port (7000 is non-standard) causes the DPI system to misindentify it and throttle it as unknown.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/774632"><b>ymboc</b></A> : is_it_SSL: No, standard connection but on port 7000.<br><br>anon34543: No, usenet was the only application. <br><br>Bellundo: I'm looking into http options also.<br><br>I've posted some more details / musings in another more usenet specific thread]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1471971"><b>DSL_Ricer</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by Nokiasac :</small><br><br> One of the possible bottle necks lies at the feed to the DSLAM. Large CO are not bad but the smaller  remotes may be fed with something like an OC12 or smaller with maybe 500+ ports. do the math and thats roughly 1.2meg available per person not including overhead.<br></div>Unlimited users, at this point, use on average less than 0.5 Mbit/s<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by Nokiasac :</small><br><br>Hydro - You may have a 200 amp electrical service  panel in your house. Ya you have 200 amps available to you but the "normal" consumer will only use 20% on average. 8 houses may be fed of a transformer that rated to provide 50kw. 50kw == 208amps.  If hydro had to size transformers to make sure everyone could draw 200amps power would cost more because the infrastructure will cost more.<br></div>However, if you did try to use 200 amps you could. If you and your neighbours tried, yes, it wouldn't work, however if   they gradually increased their usage over several month, I'm pretty sure hydro would provision for this increased usage. P2P isn't new. In fact, it's a <b>shrinking</b> portion of internet bandwidth.<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by Nokiasac :</small><br><br>Water - During the stanley cup playoffs in Vancouver during commercial breaks the water pressure for the city dropped dramatically , to the point where higher elevation had no real supply.<br></div>Yes, and the same thing does happen on the internet; but 95% of the time, if they turned on their tapes they had pressure. 4pm to 2am represents 42% of the time.<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by Nokiasac :</small><br><br>Telephone - Others have mentioned before but I think there may only be enough trunks for maybe 10% of subscribers and if everyone picked up their phones many would not get dialtone at all.<br></div>Other people have mentioned that when people started using dialup ISPs, Bell had a similar problem. Did bell say, no dialup ISPs from 4pm to 2am? No. They added more capacity. I'd expect all other phone companies had the same problem and none of them did that.<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by Nokiasac :</small><br><br>Since many of you think of internet just as essential as any major utility , like hydro etc, maybe we all should be paying for what we use on the internet just like we do for hydro and water, pay per meg or gig. Bell and TSI are in this to make money. That is the bottom line. <br></div>Sure. except think of this: if teksavvy bought 200GB, and then proceeded to use it only from 4 to 5 pm, that would require incredible amount of actual capacity comparatively to being spread over a whole day. Bandwidth isn't created, there aren't fossil fuels burned to create more of it at a high-usage point, it simply exists, and a certain amount is available able at any given time slice. Paying for peak usage is what makes the most sense. And guess what. Teksavvy does that: they pay for 95th percentile usage (so if a freak occurrence happens they don't suddenly triple their bill). However, Bell is no longer providing that capacity, despite them paying for it.<br><br>In my apartment, we have 3 heavy internet users, our monthly usage is in the 400GB range evenly split in between upload and download. I'd suggest that we are probably easier to provision for than 3 users in the 50GB range that don't use P2P at all. Why? Those people will all be using it all at the same time, around the same time. However, P2P protocols smooth the usage to other periods of the day.<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by Nokiasac :</small><br><br>Anyways I would like to also add I think this whole business of the CRTC making telcos provide open access to their networks at cost + 15% to wholesalers destructive to innovation.<br></div>I think you don't understand what AT COST means. That means that they are recouping their initial investment costs. 3rd parties are paying for whatever equipment was needed to provision their customers. They're not getting a free ride. What's regulated is the amount of profit they're making: 15%. To be quite frank. I think that's a good amount. For instance, computer sales at the moment only have a 5-10% margin.<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by Nokiasac :</small><br><br>Perhaps utilities should all still be in the public hands so they are the ones that profit from their success not the shareholders.<br> </div>Either that or simply held by NPOs. Government tends to not be very efficient.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1524289"><b>UT_CK</b></A> : Double post error ... Removed<br><br>Respectfully,<br>CK]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  sppena <A HREF="/useremail/u/1463351"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>clearly <b>nokiasac</b> does not realize the scope of of this issue. How about I put this in another perspective so you can understand the gravity of the situation. <br><br><i>Would you buy a fuel efficient car if that is only Caped to go to 30km/h?<br><br>Would you buy a water bottle that is Caped to fill only half a bottle?<br><br>Would you pay for post-secondary education at full price but Caped that you only receive a C+ on every course?</i><br><br>hopyfully now u understand a bit of the situation, if not then its time for you to grow up and face the real world.<br><br>Angelo_ posted<br><br> "my mental health will suffer as i am disabled and this give sme great stress is another fact.<br>Bell has lied ot me cheated me , tried to double bill me continously, has threatened me with legal action fo rusing a completely legal application ( utorrent ) of which at time of said threat i was LOL getting a set of freeware ebooks.<br>all video/audio taped.<br>now imagine that half a TSI's users are the abused of bell, perhaps we should all pitch in 1$ and that 21000 would definately get a lawyer ( most would want mere 5 grand to start )<br>seriously my rights have been violated and i am hurt." </div>I was not saying this throttling situation does not sucks. What I was commenting on was the fact the guy is getting so worked up its effecting his life.<br><br>If you want my opinion it is this.<br><br>Bell should be approaching this differently. If they have a problem with network capacity they should enforce caps while trying to improve network. I really think some of you have no idea but every major utility is designed and sized based on demand. It based on economics... it always boils down to the almighty $$. One of the possible bottle necks lies at the feed to the DSLAM. Large CO are not bad but the smaller  remotes may be fed with something like an OC12 or smaller with maybe 500+ ports. do the math and thats roughly 1.2meg available per person not including overhead. The whole network though is not designed for the current demand of users. Telcos are slow to catch up.<br><br>Hydro - You may have a 200 amp electrical service  panel in your house. Ya you have 200 amps available to you but the "normal" consumer will only use 20% on average. 8 houses may be fed of a transformer that rated to provide 50kw. 50kw == 208amps.  If hydro had to size transformers to make sure everyone could draw 200amps power would cost more because the infrastructure will cost more.<br><br>Water - During the stanley cup playoffs in Vancouver during commercial breaks the water pressure for the city dropped dramatically , to the point where higher elevation had no real supply.<br><br>Telephone - Others have mentioned before but I think there may only be enough trunks for maybe 10% of subscribers and if everyone picked up their phones many would not get dialtone at all.<br><br>Internet - If everyone in Canada started decided to get on the internet and max out their connection what kind of speeds do you think we would get.<br><br>I'm not saying what they are doing is right and yes TSI is paying for loop but maybe they should be paying per byte instead.<br><br>Since many of you think of internet just as essential as any major utility , like hydro etc, maybe we all should be paying for what we use on the internet just like we do for hydro and water, pay per meg or gig. Bell and TSI are in this to make money. That is the bottom line. <br><br>Perhaps utilities should all still be in the public hands so they are the ones that profit from their success not the shareholders.<br><br>/rant]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : I'm very unhappy with this Bell situation right now.   I have been with Teksavvy for about 6 months and everything was working fantastic until last night.       I hope Teksavvy can work to resolve the issue at hand and come up with a solution that continues to make them the best ISP in Canada. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : New Michael Geist story at:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2787/125/" >www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2787/125/</A><br><br>"For months, I've been asked repeatedly why net neutrality has not taken off as a Canadian political and regulatory issue.  While there has been some press coverage, several high-profile incidents, and a few instances of political or regulatory discussion (including the recent House of Commons Committee report on the CBC), the issue has not generated as much attention in Canada as it has in the United States.  <b>I believe this week will ultimately be seen as the moment that changed. </b>"]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  sppena <A HREF="/useremail/u/1463351"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>clearly <b>nokiasac</b> does not realize the scope of of this issue. How about I put this in another perspective so you can understand the gravity of the situation. <br><br><i>Would you buy a fuel efficient car if that is only Caped to go to 30km/h?<br><br>Would you buy a water bottle that is Caped to fill only half a bottle?<br><br>Would you pay for post-secondary education at full price but Caped that you only receive a C+ on every course?</i><br><br>hopyfully now u understand a bit of the situation, if not then its time for you to grow up and face the real world.<br><br>Angelo_ posted<br><br> "my mental health will suffer as i am disabled and this give sme great stress is another fact.<br>Bell has lied ot me cheated me , tried to double bill me continously, has threatened me with legal action fo rusing a completely legal application ( utorrent ) of which at time of said threat i was LOL getting a set of freeware ebooks.<br>all video/audio taped.<br>now imagine that half a TSI's users are the abused of bell, perhaps we should all pitch in 1$ and that 21000 would definately get a lawyer ( most would want mere 5 grand to start )<br>seriously my rights have been violated and i am hurt." </div>I was not saying this throttling situation does not sucks. What I was commenting on was the fact the guy is getting so worked up its effecting his life.<br><br>If you want my opinion it is this.<br><br>Bell should be approaching this differently. If they have a problem with network capacity they should enforce caps while trying to improve network. I really think some of you have no idea but every major utility is designed and sized based on demand. It based on economics... it always boils down to the almighty $$<br><br>Hydro - You may have a 200 amp electrical service  panel in your house. Ya you have 200 amps available to you but the "normal" consumer will only use 20% on average. 8 houses may be fed of a transformer that rated to provide 50kw. 50kw == 208amps.  If hydro had to size transformers to make sure everyone could draw 200amps power would cost more because the infrastructure will cost more.<br><br>Water - During the stanley cup playoffs in Vancouver during commercial breaks the water pressure for the city dropped dramatically , to the point where higher elevation had no real supply.<br><br>Telephone - Others have mentioned before but I think there may only be enough trunks for maybe 10% of subscribers and if everyone picked up their phones many would not get dialtone at all.<br><br>Internet - If everyone in Canada started decided to get on the internet and max out their connection what kind of speeds do you think we would get.<br><br>I'm not saying what they are doing is right and yes TSI is paying for loop but maybe they should be paying per byte instead.<br><br>Since many of you think of internet just as essential as any major utility , like hydro etc, maybe we all should be paying for what we use on the internet just like we do for hydro and water, pay per meg or gig. Bell and TSI are in this to make money. That is the bottom line. <br><br>Anyways I would like to also add I think this whole business of the CRTC making telcos provide open access to their networks at cost + 15% to wholesalers destructive to innovation. The big picture in the end will be the telcos will not be concerned in investing in future technologies that will have a huge initial capital investment because the wholesalers will come in and use it at a fraction of the cost. GPON is the perfect example of this. Do you really think BELL and TELUS will pump hundreds of millions into fiber only to have them not be able to see a return on the investment due to wholesalers undercutting them.<br><br>Perhaps utilities should all still be in the public hands so they are the ones that profit from their success not the shareholders.<br><br>/rant]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : I'll definately keep an eye on this situation.<br><br>Once I leave for Barrie May the 1st, I will hope things<br>do not get worse for Tekksavy and its customers. <br><br>If Tekksavy by that time gets "Rogers bad" in terms of throttling from Bell, I might as well just stay with <br>Rogers, or another independent ISP. There's no way I'll<br>consider Bell Sympatico as an option after what they're <br>doing to the resellers. It's just plain underhanded.<br><br>If things get better, I will definately consider subscribing to Tekksavy's DSL service.<br><br>Usenet isn't being affected, is it? Has anyone reported a problem with it anywhere?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1463351"><b>sppena</b></A> : clearly <b>nokiasac</b> does not realize the scope of of this issue. How about I put this in another perspective so you can understand the gravity of the situation. <br><br><i>Would you buy a fuel efficient car if that is only Caped to go to 30km/h?<br><br>Would you buy a water bottle that is Caped to fill only half a bottle?<br><br>Would you pay for post-secondary education at full price but Caped that you only receive a C+ on every course?</i><br><br>hopyfully now u understand a bit of the situation, if not then its time for you to grow up and face the real world.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/984042"><b>moezie</b></A> : Federal Industry Minister's email is:<br>Minister.Industry@ic.gc.ca]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/706116"><b>The Flash</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  mazhurg <A HREF="/useremail/u/1000066"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Guspaz <A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>Except, when people here in the TekSavvy forum say they're downloading Linux ISOs, we don't mean we're downloading the CD images of linux distributions, we mean we're downloading Angelo's brand of Linux ISOs, which you might otherwise know as porn.<br> </div>Merciless.... :D<br> </div>you know what's funny too? Angelo created the thread boasting about his internet speed...only to get busted by someone googling the filename.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1000066"><b>mazhurg</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Guspaz <A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Except, when people here in the TekSavvy forum say they're downloading Linux ISOs, we don't mean we're downloading the CD images of linux distributions, we mean we're downloading Angelo's brand of Linux ISOs, which you might otherwise know as porn.<br> </div>Merciless.... :D]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/706116"><b>The Flash</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Guspaz <A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Except, when people here in the TekSavvy forum say they're downloading Linux ISOs, we don't mean we're downloading the CD images of linux distributions, we mean we're downloading Angelo's brand of Linux ISOs, which you might otherwise know as porn.<br> </div>vintage]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <blockquote>I love how people always talk about downloading your Linux ISO's. My guess is you must have them all by now or do you just download unbuntu everyday?</blockquote><br><br>Heh. Sure, I download tv and movies as well, but literally while I was writing that last post I was downloading/seeding a torrent for the Fedora 9 beta live CD. <br><br>The bottom line is that I pay for a certain level of internet access, and if bell is going change that, than they should at least lower the rates (that is, charge teksavvy less for the filtered bandwidth).]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1521080"><b>lcdguy</b></A> : This just proof that bell, and more appropriately BCE should be stopped. All they really do is screw around and mess things up. But unfortunately they have almost a monopoly on the telco infrastructure in canada. What is really scary is this throttling issue is only going to fix bells supposed network issue for so long eventually they are going to have to upgrade their network. Anyway enough of that. Maybe we should lobby to the Teachers Pension of Ontario since they have a sizable stake in BCE :)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1539919"><b>GoogleFreak</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Guspaz <A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>Bell told Rocky BT and P2P, though. And Deadpool has repeatedly told us that (as far as Sympatico customers are concerned) VPNs should not be affected.<br><br>Bell probably doesn't care about people trying to circumvent it, because so few people have the technical knowledge to do so. VPN getting throttled (if they really are, and we need to confirm which VPN technologies are throttled) is probably just collateral damage.<br> </div>You trust Bell I mean they did lie before!  Heck I trust the government more than Bell and that says a lot hehe]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/646748"><b>Angelo_</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by nokiasac  :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by CHRoNoSS   :</small><br><br>Allow me to give you some legal ideas<br>A) TSI gives me 1$/month per person get to them to sign up.<br>they are told be my that they dont traffic shape and have an unlimited plan.<br>As this is not true its fraud.<br>because it isn't my fault or TSI's but is in fact bell might be that every user could be party to a class action.<br><br>B) The privacy act should get some serious play here, if i rent a room from a landlord its mine, while the common areas are his and shared to me. basically TSI rents the lines and bandwidth, and without proper notice they have changed the rules and harmed not only me but all TSI and other third party <br>ISP's. <br>my mental health will suffer as i am disabled and this give sme great stress is another fact.<br>Bell has lied ot me cheated me , tried to double bill me continously, has threatened me with legal action fo rusing a completely legal application ( utorrent ) of which at time of said threat i was LOL getting a set of freeware ebooks.<br>all video/audio taped.<br>now imagine that half a TSI's users are the abused of bell, perhaps we should all pitch in 1$ and that 21000 would definately get a lawyer ( most would want mere 5 grand to start )<br>seriously my rights have been violated and i am hurt.<br> </div>Man its just internet. Get over it. <br> </div>this is a huge deal as it changes everything<br><br>TCP/IP is THE protocol of coice these days<br><br>so is it ok if 2 days from now i descide you don't deserve to have a phone and throttle your access to make calls to 1 a day. Oh yeah i forgot to tell yeah thats my new terms.<br><br>Or how about going to a hospital and being refused treatment?<br><br>would you expect that?, NO <br><br>so why should this be any different?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by CHRoNoSS  :</small><br><br>Allow me to give you some legal ideas<br>A) TSI gives me 1$/month per person get to them to sign up.<br>they are told be my that they dont traffic shape and have an unlimited plan.<br>As this is not true its fraud.<br>because it isn't my fault or TSI's but is in fact bell might be that every user could be party to a class action.<br><br>B) The privacy act should get some serious play here, if i rent a room from a landlord its mine, while the common areas are his and shared to me. basically TSI rents the lines and bandwidth, and without proper notice they have changed the rules and harmed not only me but all TSI and other third party <br>ISP's. <br>my mental health will suffer as i am disabled and this give sme great stress is another fact.<br>Bell has lied ot me cheated me , tried to double bill me continously, has threatened me with legal action fo rusing a completely legal application ( utorrent ) of which at time of said threat i was LOL getting a set of freeware ebooks.<br>all video/audio taped.<br>now imagine that half a TSI's users are the abused of bell, perhaps we should all pitch in 1$ and that 21000 would definately get a lawyer ( most would want mere 5 grand to start )<br>seriously my rights have been violated and i am hurt.<br> </div>Man its just internet. Get over it. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><b>Guspaz</b></A> : That 50k figure was, IIRC, including resellers. They're not technically TekSavvy customers, even though they are effectively.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 02:31:22 EDT</pubDate>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 01:40:16 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Allow me to give you some legal ideas<br>A) TSI gives me 1$/month per person get to them to sign up.<br>they are told be my that they dont traffic shape and have an unlimited plan.<br>As this is not true its fraud.<br>because it isn't my fault or TSI's but is in fact bell might be that every user could be party to a class action.<br><br>B) The privacy act should get some serious play here, if i rent a room from a landlord its mine, while the common areas are his and shared to me. basically TSI rents the lines and bandwidth, and without proper notice they have changed the rules and harmed not only me but all TSI and other third party <br>ISP's. <br>my mental health will suffer as i am disabled and this give sme great stress is another fact.<br>Bell has lied ot me cheated me , tried to double bill me continously, has threatened me with legal action fo rusing a completely legal application ( utorrent ) of which at time of said threat i was LOL getting a set of freeware ebooks.<br>all video/audio taped.<br>now imagine that half a TSI's users are the abused of bell, perhaps we should all pitch in 1$ and that 21000 would definately get a lawyer ( most would want mere 5 grand to start )<br>seriously my rights have been violated and i am hurt.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1492224"><b>qweloo</b></A> : Give TSI some time. They just confirmed it today.<br><br>I guess they will be talking to other 3rd parties ISP and lawyers before deciding what actions to take before sending something out explaining the what, why, and now what?.<br><br> ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1442161"><b>inferno_gn</b></A> : Hi there,<br><br>Can Teksavvy actually do an e-mail to all 21k customers explaining the situation and what is going on on the throttling, at least we have a clear and official statement on what we can do and so forth, since I know not all 21k peoples comes here.  *lol*<br><br>inferno_gn<br><small>--<br>Otaku Anime Network<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.otakuanime.com/" >www.otakuanime.com/</A></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:55:36 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Rocky,<br><br>Can you confirm that 5410 is the right tariff for us to be poring over (i.e. not 5400 or 5420)?  5410 includes "logical paths to provide network connectivity between GAS Access arrangements and an ADSL AHSSPI by aggregating traffic associated with each GAS Access served from groups of wire centres to a Broadband Access Server (BAS) and subsequently aggregating such traffic from all Company provided BAS to the ADSL AHSSPI."  Compare to 5400 which tariffs DS3 AHSSPI.  I'm betting they couldn't pull this crap under Item 5400 (fixed 44.736 Mbit/s means no justification for tampering with my bits!)]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:46:51 EDT</pubDate>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:43:58 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1514256"><b>alec</b></A> : Any thoughts about sending out an e-mail to all Teksavvy users, with links to current issues or link to the forum? Since probably only 1% or less even know about the forums and the other 99% wanting reasons why they can't download anymore, etc etc<br><br>just my 2 cents]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:40:48 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1504703"><b>funkytim</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Guspaz <A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Bell told Rocky BT and P2P, though. And Deadpool has repeatedly told us that (as far as Sympatico customers are concerned) VPNs should not be affected.<br><br>Bell probably doesn't care about people trying to circumvent it, because so few people have the technical knowledge to do so. VPN getting throttled (if they really are, and we need to confirm which VPN technologies are throttled) is probably just collateral damage.<br> </div>Kinda surprised by that, I switched from Sympathico to Teksavvy because at a certain point even with a VPN I'd be throttled]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:40:44 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><b>R0CKY</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  ultracat <A HREF="/useremail/u/1524803"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Just emailed my MP, will send in the other letters to CRTC, Industry Minister, Competition Bureau etc. tomorrow.<br><br>Rocky, all 21,000+ of us are behind you.  Make sure you use us to your best advantage.  There are many great agruments against this:  targeting certain protocols does not target the content (legal or otherwise), Bell's move is monopolistic and anti-competitive, Bell is tampering with TSI customers' service (we are TSI customers, NOT BELL CUSTOMERS!), etc.  Best of luck, we are behind you, keep up the communication as usual.  Also, if you need to start a legal fund you should do that.  Many, many of us would donate.  $10 x 21,000 is a good starting pot to get a Bay St. law firm on retainer. <br> </div>Appreciate the support.... never know... might have to call some of you on this! ;)<br><br>Ok... done sitting on my butt... I'm off to TO now!<br><br>L8R all!<br><br>Rocky<br><small>--<br>TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:28:41 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1524803"><b>ultracat</b></A> : Just emailed my MP, will send in the other letters to CRTC, Industry Minister, Competition Bureau etc. tomorrow.<br><br>Rocky, all 21,000+ of us are behind you.  Make sure you use us to your best advantage.  There are many great agruments against this:  targeting certain protocols does not target the content (legal or otherwise), Bell's move is monopolistic and anti-competitive, Bell is tampering with TSI customers' service (we are TSI customers, NOT BELL CUSTOMERS!), etc.  Best of luck, we are behind you, keep up the communication as usual.  Also, if you need to start a legal fund you should do that.  Many, many of us would donate.  $10 x 21,000 is a good starting pot to get a Bay St. law firm on retainer. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1433477"><b>NBomb</b></A> : Well, as a customer for over a year now, I'd like to say thank you Rocky and co, you've been good to me. I'm sticking with you, and you have my support in this!]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:21:23 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/820001"><b>quickbeam</b></A> : Make a facebook group.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:09:35 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><b>R0CKY</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  matradley <A HREF="/useremail/u/835558"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>My goodness Rocky... your name is all over the news now. We shall make an anthem for you... "Eye of the Tiger"! :D<br> </div>LMAO!<br><br>If Bell's upper management didn't know who TekSavvy was, they do now!<br><small>--<br>TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/835558"><b>matradley</b></A> : My goodness Rocky... your name is all over the news now. We shall make an anthem for you... "Eye of the Tiger"! :D]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:03:44 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><b>R0CKY</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Omr <A HREF="/useremail/u/929913"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>On the Globe and Mail ... seems like they are downplaying on first glance.<br><br><A HREF="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080325.wgtinternet26/BNStory/Technology/home">Globe and Mail</a><br><br>Question, I thought TekSavvy had more than 21,000 subscribers ... I thought TSI was on it's way to 50,000 and up?<br><br>  <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>But last week, some of Mr. Gaudrault's 21,000 high-speed Internet clients began to report their connections were slowing down, and they wanted to know why. That's when he discovered Bell was restricting the torrent and peer-to-peer traffic of Teksavvy customers.<hr></blockquote><br> </div>We have a little over 30,000 end user services, but specific to DSL, 21k.<br><br>The balance is made up of Dialup/hosting/IP/Colo services/LAN/etc...<br><small>--<br>TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:00:07 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/216163"><b>kingb71</b></A> : I'm not being throttled (yet). I just obtained something from Waffles & hit about 500 kB/s]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:52:50 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/929913"><b>Omr</b></A> : On the Globe and Mail ... seems like they are downplaying on first glance.<br><br><A HREF="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080325.wgtinternet26/BNStory/Technology/home">Globe and Mail</a><br><br>Question, I thought TekSavvy had more than 21,000 subscribers ... I thought TSI was on it's way to 50,000 and up?<br><br> <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>But last week, some of Mr. Gaudrault's 21,000 high-speed Internet clients began to report their connections were slowing down, and they wanted to know why. That's when he discovered Bell was restricting the torrent and peer-to-peer traffic of Teksavvy customers.<hr></blockquote>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/248514"><b>mlerner</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  bbuchanan <A HREF="/useremail/u/946972"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  TSI Gabe <A HREF="/useremail/u/1427767"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  R0CKY <A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>LOL... when you find it, let me know so I can read it too!<br> </div>Oh I found it! It's in the corner where it says B-E-L-L<br> </div>LOL - I don't know how many times i've read that tariff (and about a million other ones) over the years, and essentially Bell will do whatever they can until they get forced to play good again.<br> </div>LOL.. you guys are too funny. Seriously though, so idiotic. I can't even begin to fathom how they can call it wholesale since they control it like reselling.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/946972"><b>bbuchanan</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  TSI Gabe <A HREF="/useremail/u/1427767"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  R0CKY <A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>LOL... when you find it, let me know so I can read it too!<br> </div>Oh I found it! It's in the corner where it says B-E-L-L<br> </div>LOL - I don't know how many times i've read that tariff (and about a million other ones) over the years, and essentially Bell will do whatever they can until they get forced to play good again.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427767"><b>TSI Gabe</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  R0CKY <A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>LOL... when you find it, let me know so I can read it too!<br> </div>Oh I found it! It's in the corner where it says B-E-L-L<br><small>--<br>TSI Gabe - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><b>R0CKY</b></A> : LOL... when you find it, let me know so I can read it too!<br><small>--<br>TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1492224"><b>qweloo</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  jfmezei <A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I suggests people startby reading it straight from the horse's mouth:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.bce.ca/en/aboutbce/regulatoryinformation/tarrifs/index.php/ItemView.asp?Tariff=GT%20%20%20&Part=%20%20%205%20%20%20%20%20%20&Item=%205410%20%20%20%20%20" >www.bce.ca/en/aboutbce/regulator&middot;&middot;&middot;20%20%20</A><br><br>This is a www dot bce dot ca URL that points to a .PDF document that contains the Tariff 5410 governing the Gateway Access Service. If this is the right version, it would be the tariff that governs the service Bell provides to carry an end user's data from him home to his ISP.<br><br>You can then *call* the CRTC at 1-877-249-CRTC . The person will take down your name , phone number and general subject (mention Bell's GAS tariff being changed by Bell without CRTC approval) and someone should call you back within 48 hours.<br><br>When you get the call back, you can ask about the best way to comment/complain about Bell new interpretation of its powers under GAS. MOre importantly, a high volume of calsl about the same issue would alert the CRTC of the issue.<br> </div>I dont see any clause regarding fair usage on that link. Somebody sees it ?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : im totally not throttled then again ive done a few things to my box.<br>i had a real bad time very very recently with bell and the more you go at them back the more mouthy they got.<br>all the times and speeds indicate some kinda protocol shape for one.<br>2) i have them on tap esaying that all isps will be shaping soon.<br>3) i have them on tape ( bell ) threatening me legally for USING utorrent ( not what i was dling what i was using )<br>the video shows me dling a public domain video , while this jerk on phone goes on and on.<br>I also have several more interesting tapes that i owuld love to lend to any class action suit as to the business practices of bell canada.<br>would prolly be quite interesting stuff when you consider that in one month i had transfer both ways of about 3GB of stuff, mostly public domain and free things.<br>i am now creating an online opensource game and would like to give something back to the world and i use bittorrent to distribute. Now making me pay more for no reason is actionable. ive read the tarriff pdf and as long as teksavvy pays the bill , i dont get this.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/965530"><b>s49</b></A> : Just a minor update, I'm actually hitting a 75-100kB/s cap, which started around 6. From 430 to 6 I was getting 30.<br><br>Bell is consistent with their time frames but going a little random with their p2p cap.<br><br>Either way, it still sucks. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1526081"><b>InvalidError</b></A> : Came back from work, started a couple of torrents... yup, my line is now fully throttled: I can neither upload nor download torrents faster than 30KB/s.<br><br>I never imagined I would see the days of 10+h torrent ETAs on download again... I am seriously disappointed now. 150KB/s was still within the realm of tolerable but 30KB/s is ridiculous.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : I suggests people startby reading it straight from the horse's mouth:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.bce.ca/en/aboutbce/regulatoryinformation/tarrifs/index.php/ItemView.asp?Tariff=GT%20%20%20&Part=%20%20%205%20%20%20%20%20%20&Item=%205410%20%20%20%20%20" >www.bce.ca/en/aboutbce/regulator&middot;&middot;&middot;20%20%20</A><br><br>This is a www dot bce dot ca URL that points to a .PDF document that contains the Tariff 5410 governing the Gateway Access Service. If this is the right version, it would be the tariff that governs the service Bell provides to carry an end user's data from him home to his ISP.<br><br>You can then *call* the CRTC at 1-877-249-CRTC . The person will take down your name , phone number and general subject (mention Bell's GAS tariff being changed by Bell without CRTC approval) and someone should call you back within 48 hours.<br><br>When you get the call back, you can ask about the best way to comment/complain about Bell new interpretation of its powers under GAS. MOre importantly, a high volume of calsl about the same issue would alert the CRTC of the issue.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/835558"><b>matradley</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by johnnyc :</small><br><br>Man, i'm soooooo glad these moviez and warez are getting throttled:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_Desktop_Protocol" >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_Des&middot;&middot;&middot;Protocol</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Shell" >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Shell</A><br><br>etc.<br><br>sigh...<br> </div>Bell is concerned that you might be watching illegal movies over RDP! Those image refreshes = amazing frame rate. :/]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1524289"><b>UT_CK</b></A> : As soon as anyone can leave Rogers or Bell ... DO IT !!<br><br>Don't you people realize that staying with them makes them stronger ?  Money is power and you are empowering them with your money.<br><br>If you believe that the status quo is ok .. then you are also contributing to the problem...<br><br>Please do the right thing and punish them for what they are doing.  Hit them with you wallet.<br><br>CK]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Man, i'm soooooo glad these moviez and warez are getting throttled:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_Desktop_Protocol" >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_Des&middot;&middot;&middot;Protocol</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Shell" >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Shell</A><br><br>etc.<br><br>sigh...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : How bad can we expect this throttling to get from Bells side? I've never had Tekksavy. Am with Rogers Express right now.<br><br>If it gets "Rogers bad" we just might as well<br>start re-subscribing to Bell and Rogers again! :(<br>What bloody difference will it make?<br><br>This is really starting to suck! :mad:]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1264688"><b>habskilla</b></A> : Or CBC content!<br><br>I want to be the next great PM!!!<br><br>:)<br><small>--<br>GO LEAFS GO (all the way to the golf course)</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : I love how people always talk about downloading your Linux ISO's.  My guess is you must have them all by now or do you just download unbuntu everyday?<br><br>Plain and simple this is about moviez and warez.  How many more threads will be created?  Lots.  <br><br>I'm glad to finally see this happening.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : I'm not sure of what to do? I'm moving May 1st to Barrie. I want to leave Rogers because of their throttling torrent uploading to an absolute miminum.<br><br>Now all the little ISP's that seemed promising, may now have to be out of my plans. Tekksavy,Cybernet and others<br>are being meddled with. I might as well just stay with Rogers if every little 3rd party ISP is being throttled.<br><br>It certainly doesn't leave my, or many others with options to choose for enjoying the internet. :huh:]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : I can't believe that after almost two years of being completely bell-free (aside from the dry line), that they are still finding ways to screw with me. great.<br><br>Not only does it affect me directly (hell, I just finished downloading a Linux iso), but it's a bad precedent to set with Bell. If they are allowed to get away with this, what happens next?<br><br>I plan on writing to my MP about this as soon as possible. <br>I wonder if someone who is more eloquent/tech savvy (no pun intended) would be interested in drafting a form letter or list of points to help me write an effective email (not something to cut+paste, but just something to help get started).<br><br>I think that sort of thing would also help motivate other people to send letters.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:04:26 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/543718"><b>ToniCipriani</b></A> : On bas4-kitchener06 right now, ran a test, as of now no throttling.<br><br>But I think I'm moving into a throttled area soon I suppose...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1522014"><b>Radar73</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  R0CKY <A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Ok... Here's the deal...<br><br>They're now openly acknowledging that they are rolling out a full throttling process.  They plan to have things fully throttled by April 7th.  All BT and P2P traffic will be affected.<br><br>They claim they are allowed to do so according to their Terms and Services under the Fair Usage Policy in the tariffed contracts...  We'll be looking into this shortly.<br><br>The meeting was with Sales and Product Management.  They will be preparing a formal letter before end of week.<br><br>In the meantime, we (many other ISPs) are going to prepare as well... I guess the high road is the path taken in this case.<br><br>Spread the word one and all as this topic needs to reach every level possible...  There's now officially an issue and action must be taken by all if we're to rectify things.<br> </div>Fair Usage Policy what a crock ... I'm so upset.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:52:03 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1533785"><b>jessy</b></A> : and my question is:<br><br>"fully throttled" as in all wholesalers <b>OR</b> 24h/24... or is it <b>AND</b> ?<br><br>anyway, that won't stop me from registering at teksavvy next week. there goes my support... and I'm sure Rocky and his folks need it. :P<br><br>jessy.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><b>Guspaz</b></A> : Let us know if it does, and which type of VPN/tunnel/proxy you were using.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:10:17 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1194535"><b>NeTwOrKDawg</b></A> : I sincerely hope this does not affect any other encrypted traffic/transports, as I use ADSL for backup lines at my offices. If this is the case, there goes my cheap backup WAN.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : I switched from bell to teksavvy in December for this very cause, and now bell's continuing to screw us over.. I support teksavvy 100% and whatever we need to do, I'd be glad to help.<br><br>I'm in London, and haven't been affected by the throttling yet, but I expect it soon.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1000066"><b>mazhurg</b></A> : Does not matter. My understanding is that TSI contracts for a certain amount of bandwith. Unless, and until such bandwith becomes saturated, they really have no legal rights to interfere with the traffic herein and a transparent excuse such as T&S under fair usage is bull. To start with, as a telecommunitation carrier, they must remain hands off to data; secondly, who the F&^%ck decided that P2P and BT traffic is illegal? What court said so? <br><br>For once I do hope that all those fly by night lawyers slap so many lawsuit on Bell to run it under.<br><br>We should never let a corporation get this big and in control of monopolies.<br><br>Break them up!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1453195"><b>Etheric</b></A> : Another link about this to vote up:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://reddit.com/info/6dcfm/comments/" >reddit.com/info/6dcfm/comments/</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Smart thing for rogers would be to stop throttling about now.  Not going to happen but one can hope]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><b>Guspaz</b></A> : Bell told Rocky BT and P2P, though. And Deadpool has repeatedly told us that (as far as Sympatico customers are concerned) VPNs should not be affected.<br><br>Bell probably doesn't care about people trying to circumvent it, because so few people have the technical knowledge to do so. VPN getting throttled (if they really are, and we need to confirm which VPN technologies are throttled) is probably just collateral damage.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1386669"><b>W16</b></A> : Digg article (I know, repost - but necessary):<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://digg.com/tech_news/Bell_Secretly_Throttling_Wholesale_Internet_Services" >digg.com/tech_news/Bell_Secretly&middot;&middot;&middot;Services</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : Mr Rocky:<br><br>Do you know if business lines (which are different only because of some flag in the billing record) will also get the throttling, or will Bell be able to setup their system to not throttle certain customers ?<br><br>Is the throttling done at a level where they could avoid the throttling based on the domain/realm (aka: @teksavvy.com pppoe connections).]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : I was happy with the line speed and responsiveness of the line I had with Rogers IF it had not degraded significantly while I was away.  The slowdown happened at points within Rogers control.  I just cannot stand waiting 20 seconds for every page click that I do on the web.   Someone else on the floor went with Rogers phone service and the service on his cable improved significantly, I dropped several television channels and my performance dropped.   I am not a huge user of bittorent, nor a huge downloader (odd software downloads, odd video clip downloads).<br><br>I was getting better service in a 3rd world country than I was getting with Rogers after I came back.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1507347"><b>Flannel</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Guspaz <A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>[...]Does this include VPN traffic?[...]</div>With Sympatico it affected VPN and anything else encrypted... simply because they are encrypted.  Bell was throttling all encrypted traffic to prevent encrypted/obfuscated P2P.  Sucks.<br><br>So I guess the Google map will be all red by early April, so it's inevitable.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1499369"><b>bacon612</b></A> : Im in. Lets rock out with some open VPN action. <br><br>This is TOTAL BS.<br><br>IT IS NOW OFFICIAL THAT AS A CANADIAN LIVING IN TORONTO, I NO LONGER HAVE ACCESS TO CLEAN INTERNET. **CK ME!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/739743"><b>MisawaGQ</b></A> : It looks like the CRTC is going to have to step in, and that will take time. Meanwhile, Bell will be allowed to control the service of its competition all the while. The millions of dollars they could be facing in fines is no consolation. This could end up being a huge story, with serious and hopefully positive repercussions for the future of the internet in this country.<br><small>--<br>"Let them hate, so long as they fear" -- Lucius Accius</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : Mr Rocky,<br><br>Can you confirm that tariff 5410 is the applicable tariff ?<br><br>Can you confirm that tariff 5410 (if applicable) is regulated/approved by the CRTC ?<br><br>And if so, can we start our complaints to the CRTC before you (the ISPs) do, or should we wait for ISPs to make their initial complaints and then send our complaints to re-enforce the existing ISP complaints ?<br><br>Have you spoken with other ISPs already ? Do you have a good feeling that they are willing to fight this with you ? <br><br>In a way, i am glad of this response. It is better than I expected in that it is truly a black and white issue, no grey area in there such as a temporary measure that would go away eventually, limited only to areas Bell feels need some capacity management.<br><br>In your opinion, does Bell expect this to pass without much of a brouhaha, or do they know there will be  a serious fight in the public eye and CRTC involvement ?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1453195"><b>Etheric</b></A> : TekSavvy's Home Phone service can't come soon enough!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><b>Guspaz</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  R0CKY <A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>All BT and P2P traffic will be affected.</div>Does this include VPN traffic? Because while TekSavvy must take the high road, we users are within our rights to colocate a box at 151 Front. and use a VPN to stop Bell from messing with our traffic.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1499369"><b>bacon612</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  jfmezei <A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>>good. So lets all stay with an ISP that cant control their <br>>network. Wicked idea man!<br><br>Going to Bell (who can control their network) only encourages Bell's terrible tactics.<br><br>Staying with a 3rd party ISP like Teksavvy still gives you advantages such as higher bandwidth limits, no contract, half decent technical support with humans on the same continent etc etc.<br><br>So while the value of the offering will have gone down due to throttling, the ISPs likle Teksavvy will still be offering a better deal than Sympatico or the cable companies who have far more restrictions (no servers, no fixed IPs, blocked ports etc)<br> </div>....YET]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1499369"><b>bacon612</b></A> : Tell us in detail what we can do to help. You have a dedicated customer base, use them....<br><br>Im sure you already know this, Rocky. But this is not good news...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/706116"><b>The Flash</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  R0CKY <A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Ok... Here's the deal...<br><br>They're now openly acknowledging that they are rolling out a full throttling process.  They plan to have things fully throttled by April 7th.  All BT and P2P traffic will be affected.<br><br>They claim they are allowed to do so according to their Terms and Services under the Fair Usage Policy in the tariffed contracts...  We'll be looking into this shortly.<br><br>The meeting was with Sales and Product Management.  They will be preparing a formal letter before end of week.<br><br>In the meantime, we (many other ISPs) are going to prepare as well... I guess the high road is the path taken in this case.<br><br>Spread the word one and all as this topic needs to reach every level possible...  There's now officially an issue and action must be taken by all if we're to rectify things.<br> </div>Holy crap, this is huge news.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : >good. So lets all stay with an ISP that cant control their <br>>network. Wicked idea man!<br><br>Going to Bell (who can control their network) only encourages Bell's terrible tactics.<br><br>Staying with a 3rd party ISP like Teksavvy still gives you advantages such as higher bandwidth limits, no contract, half decent technical support with humans on the same continent etc etc.<br><br>So while the value of the offering will have gone down due to throttling, the ISPs likle Teksavvy will still be offering a better deal than Sympatico or the cable companies who have far more restrictions (no servers, no fixed IPs, blocked ports etc)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><b>R0CKY</b></A> : Ok... Here's the deal...<br><br>They're now openly acknowledging that they are rolling out a full throttling process.  They plan to have things fully throttled by April 7th.  All BT and P2P traffic will be affected.<br><br>They claim they are allowed to do so according to their Terms and Services under the Fair Usage Policy in the tariffed contracts...  We'll be looking into this shortly.<br><br>The meeting was with Sales and Product Management.  They will be preparing a formal letter before end of week.<br><br>In the meantime, we (many other ISPs) are going to prepare as well... I guess the high road is the path taken in this case.<br><br>Spread the word one and all as this topic needs to reach every level possible...  There's now officially an issue and action must be taken by all if we're to rectify things.<br><small>--<br>TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1499369"><b>bacon612</b></A> : good. So lets all stay with an ISP that cant control their network. Wicked idea man!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/706116"><b>The Flash</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  bacon612 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1499369"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>To build on your point about getting what you are promised, How would you feel about TSI if they promised that they wont throttle your torrents, and then all of the sudden they do....? <br> </div>They do what they can control.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1499369"><b>bacon612</b></A> : Sorry to sound like such a Grinch on this thread guys. But i am sooooo furious that in Toronto, my hometown and also the largest city in Canada and one of the largest in North America, I cant get a speedy, connection without any throttling or packet shaping. <br><br>If this continues,  I will snap and move to Japan so I can eat sushi everyday with a 100MBPS wireless connection.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1499369"><b>bacon612</b></A> : Ill put money on it that I would be able to max out the rogers connection that you were having issues with. If you were able to get 9 meg on speedtest.net and you are still complaining, you clearly do not understand the mechanics of the internet.<br><br>To build on your point about getting what you are promised, How would you feel about TSI if they promised that they wont throttle your torrents, and then all of the sudden they do....? ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : What is a shame here is that Bell knows full well that they can screw all DSL customers since we have nowhere to go and will be forced to accept Bell's policies.<br><br>And if, as I suspect, the ISPs don't mount a serious fight, then individual complainst to the CRTC/Ministers won't have much weight.<br><br>What Bell is doing is mutilating the service it sells to ISPs.  If the ISPs are happy with the mutilated service and do not complain to the CRTC, then our complains will fall on deaf ears.<br><br>Remember that if the ISP accept Bell's policies, it means that they accept this type of traffic management and will add those features to their official offering. At that point, you purchase a service with throttling from teksavvy. <br><br>The CRTC has no jurisdiction on what teksavvy sells to us. That portion is not regulated. <br><br>The portion that is regulated is what Bell sells to Teksavvy. If the ISPs are too scared to complain, then we can't do much about it.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Before I went away for 2 months, I had great speed from Rogers.  I then downgraded cable from practically everything to a few select packages.  When I came back, the service was running slow.  I did a speed test with CNET and it said it was 500K (which was what it felt).  Went to Rogers tech support, they pointed me to select sites (speedtest.net and theirs) which undoubtedly they gave priority to.... it said I was receiving around 9 Meg.  I told them that I was getting no-where near that in reality - they told me that since it went fast to them on their tests - they could do nothing more for me.  I said that basically they were telling me it was time to find another ISP, and they told me to have a good day.  One week later (this weekend), my ISP service from Rogers came to an end - replaced with TekSavvy.  Why pay for something when in reality you never get what you are promised.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1489140"><b>midnighter</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  UT_CK <A HREF="/useremail/u/1524289"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Hi TO User,<br><br>Please reconsider that train of thought, by reverting to the evil empire you are actually aiding them in realizing their objective. The honourable thing to do would be to punish them for being unethical and underhanded.<br><br>If they realize that their tactics does not discourage clients from leaving them, they may reconsider.<br><br>If they succeed in recovering past-users, they will undoubtedly continue this practice.<br><br>Hold in there and please ...  support good ISP's like TekSavvy by giving them your business. I for one would remain with TekSavvy ..even if it cost me more.<br><br>I think that by holding on to these values , my mother would be proud  :)<br><br>CK<br>{:(B)<br> </div>Excellent point there.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1524289"><b>UT_CK</b></A> : Hi TO User,<br><br>Please reconsider that train of thought, by reverting to the evil empire you are actually aiding them in realizing their objective. The honourable thing to do would be to punish them for being unethical and underhanded.<br><br>If they realize that their tactics does not discourage clients from leaving them, they may reconsider.<br><br>If they succeed in recovering past-users, they will undoubtedly continue this practice.<br><br>Hold in there and please ...  support good ISP's like TekSavvy by giving them your business. I for one would remain with TekSavvy ..even if it cost me more.<br><br>I think that by holding on to these values , my mother would be proud  :)<br><br>CK<br>{:(B)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : I think we are getting a bit side tracked here.  Can't wait to hear from Rocky what Bell told him during their meeting.<br><br>My momma always told me you can attarct bees with honey better than Vinegar and it feels so much like Bell and Rogers dont seem to understand that theory.<br><br>Why not release a statement to all Bell users that they will throttle Downloads and Uploads during the evening hours of 4pm to midnight then leave it untouched the rest of the day.  If they told us this and were up front about it, I'd shut down my P2P programs during those hours and leave it running during the "off hours".  A simple solution to a simple problem because how many moms and dads are up at 1 am surfing the web.  To me, this throttling business is a great way to piss off the most vocal and most knowledgeable part of the internet community.  Don't tell Bell needs their precious bandwidth in the middle of the night.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1499369"><b>bacon612</b></A> : Guspaz, I agree with you. If i were to get charged overage with Rogers in the future, i would loose my mind. But, since I didnt in the past, I would be willing to give it a chance again.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/706116"><b>The Flash</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  bacon612 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1499369"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>As for the guy that relies on TSI suport, how many TSI users really rely on their Tech support? I actually had fun telling the techs at rogers that they had no idea what they were talking about. :D<br> </div>They're just trying to do their job, stop giving them a hard time.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><b>Guspaz</b></A> : Again, compare the caps. Yes, your 10megs down is nice, but I'd rather have double the cap than double the speed when choosing between 95GB and 200GB.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1499369"><b>bacon612</b></A> : OK compare apples to apples. <br><br>TSI lucky to get 5 megs/ 800k in GTA <br><br>Rogers Up to 10 megs down and 1 up guarented wherever you are in the city.<br><br>Honestly, if ADSL2 doesnt come soon and TSI gets screwed with this throttle crap. I wont stay with TSI because I feel sorry for them. <br><br>As for the guy that relies on TSI suport, how many TSI users really rely on their Tech support? I actually had fun telling the techs at rogers that they had no idea what they were talking about. :D]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/706116"><b>The Flash</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Homer88 <A HREF="/useremail/u/786047"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Hmm... throttling seems to have stopped here at Sheppard and Bayview (torrents are going above 30Kb... at 300Kb/sec+) and its 1:40PM...<br><br>How many of you want to bet Bell's excuse for this was all an "accident"? Like... some drone accidentally pressed the wrong button as they were updating the equpitment...? lol<br> </div>Isn't throttling between 4pm - 2am?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/786047"><b>Homer88</b></A> : Hmm... throttling seems to have stopped here at Sheppard and Bayview (torrents are going above 30Kb... at 300Kb/sec+) and its 1:40PM...<br><br>How many of you want to bet Bell's excuse for this was all an "accident"? Like... some drone accidentally pressed the wrong button as they were updating the equpitment...? lol]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><b>Guspaz</b></A> : Compare apples to apples; extreme has a 95GB cap, so you're comparing against the $29.95 Premium (200GB cap) service. This makes Rogers $9.04 more expensive (more if you have a TSI group rate, which is possible only on Premium accounts).]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : If I get the Extreme with the 15% discount for having Rogers phone and cable and cell phone (all of which I have), then Rogers is actually 38.99 for me which is cheaper than the 39.99 I pay to TSI right now.  Don't get me wrong, I hate Rogers and Bell because they ARE the Evil Empire and I realize that but, if I am being throttled on a slower DSL line and my net experience is hindered not only from a P2P level but also surfing and gaming level, then I really am not left much choice.   While I realize TSI is not responsible, I have a feeling they are going to hit hard by this move by Bell.  Its interesting that Bell is willing to screw their OWN 3rd party providers and help Rogers out in the process.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/706116"><b>The Flash</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by Toronto User :</small><br><br>Who said I have to go back to DSL??  The only reason to go to TSI from what Im seeing is for the P2P freedom. If thats taken away, why not go to Rogers who gives you much higher speeds for Newsgroups, AND better speeds for surfing.  To me, Bell is going about this all wrong because if I cant get P2P DSL, there is no reason for me NOT to go back to Rogers.<br> </div>There are more reasons to go with TSI other than P2P freedom...price? tech support? owners who care?<br><br>There are so many reasons NOT to go Rogers.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1507347"><b>Flannel</b></A> : Yes.  But I wrote: "<i>Teksavvy is still the best ISP with great service and a great price.</i>", that was my simple point, what I wrote...  I didn't write you have to stay with DSL.  Sure you can go to Rogers' service, but <i>it costs more</i>, and extreme costs <i>a lot</i> more (and you will still have throttling)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><b>Guspaz</b></A> : Also, Rogers is throttled too. So while you might have a throttled connection either way, and your Rogers connection would be "faster", you'd still have a higher cap (and a lower price) with TekSavvy.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : You <b>will</b> be charged overage from Rogers now.  All their sales channels received new information about the new Rogers pricing over the past month, and it had constant reminders of overage fees and the new 'Bandwidth Limits'.<br><br>Extreme has a 95GB cap, Express has 60GB]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Who said I have to go back to DSL??  The only reason to go to TSI from what Im seeing is for the P2P freedom. If thats taken away, why not go to Rogers who gives you much higher speeds for Newsgroups, AND better speeds for surfing.  To me, Bell is going about this all wrong because if I cant get P2P DSL, there is no reason for me NOT to go back to Rogers.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1499369"><b>bacon612</b></A> : If my TSI connections become throttled I will be moving back to Rogers. Better speeds with lower latencies. I was on extreme, did well over 200 gigs a month and never got charged for overage. Not sure if this goes for anyone, but I wasnt charged a dime for overage with rogers. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1507347"><b>Flannel</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by Toronto User :</small><br><br>[...]I've thought bout getting Teksavvy but not any time soon until this mess is resolved.</div>Teksavvy is still the best ISP with great service and a great price.  If you live in a throttled area, it's beyond your control, Teksavvy remains the best ISP choice, regardless.  This situation doesn't change that.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1253725"><b>Kdee</b></A> : It's also hit the blogasphere:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://itnerd.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/bell-canada-throttles-dsl-wholesalers-without-notice-wtf/" >itnerd.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/&middot;&middot;&middot;ice-wtf/</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:01:53 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/273051"><b>HiVolt</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  habskilla <A HREF="/useremail/u/1264688"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>DSL in eastern Canada is alive, cap, and throttle free thank you!<br><br>PS Aliant even has a 10/1 connection.<br> </div>Wait till frank & gordon sink their teef into your infrastructure.<br><small>--<br>GO LEAFS GO!<br>Don't question the authoritaaaa!</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:38:40 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1264688"><b>habskilla</b></A> : DSL in eastern Canada is alive, cap, and throttle free thank you!<br><br>PS Aliant even has a 10/1 connection.<br><small>--<br>GO LEAFS GO (all the way to the golf course)</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:36:29 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/848802"><b>Wes C Addle</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Bell_Abused <A HREF="/useremail/u/1401020"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Its on the Dr. Michael Geist Site<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2782/125/" >www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2782/125/</A><br><br>"Bell Secretly Throttling Wholesale Internet Services?"<br><br>This is a GREAT place to let your voice be heard since he holds the Canada Research Chair of Internet and E-commerce Law at the University of Ottawa.<br><br>Many policy makers/politicians reference his site.<br><br>He also runs CIPPIC, The Canadian Internet Policy and Public Interest Clinic. Which many should complain to as well to see if a class action is even possible should the meeting today be of a sour note.<br> </div>We should Digg this shit up: &raquo;<A HREF="http://digg.com/tech_news/Bell_Secretly_Throttling_Wholesale_Internet_Services" >digg.com/tech_news/Bell_Secretly&middot;&middot;&middot;Services</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:30:03 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/706116"><b>The Flash</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by Toronto User :</small><br><br>It is when people plan on leaving a service because of all that publicity.  I've thought bout getting Teksavvy but not any time soon until this mess is resolved.<br> </div>well good luck with any DSL provider right now.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:09:01 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : It is when people plan on leaving a service because of all that publicity.  I've thought bout getting Teksavvy but not any time soon until this mess is resolved.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:50:24 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1285644"><b>TwentyMBPS</b></A> : Over 13,000 hits on this thread. Haven't seen anything that high in a while. No publicity is bad.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:41:32 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1539919"><b>GoogleFreak</b></A> : At least Teksavvy is getting free publicity.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:35:54 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/461621"><b>Gokuu</b></A> : &raquo;<A HREF="http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/03/25/035200&from=rss" >yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=&middot;&middot;&middot;from=rss</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:20:18 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Gokuu's google map is making the rounds on the news sites.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15383" >www.p2pnet.net/story/15383</A><br><br>I hope Rocky isn't told that this isn't a "material change" in service that he buys from Bell.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:16:29 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1375460"><b>Kareeser</b></A> : Best of luck, Rocky!!]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:06:51 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1151339"><b>Black Moon</b></A> : Fascinating thread. While I don't endorse throttling in any way, if this prevents the network from going titsup then so be it. I'd rather have a slow connection than no connection.<br><br>That said, Bell should/could have anticipated this and planned ahead. What does get me, though, is the lack of transparency; just do it behind people's back like Rogers.<br><br>Let's see what Rocky can do today.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:50:00 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : >My concern is that if I experienced no netword problems <br>>before the throttle, why does Bell need to reduce P2P traffic <br>>in my area by 94%, which as I understand it, P2P accounts for >most traffic on the network? <br><br>Think about it. If Bell designed its ADSL network with HTTP transactions in mind (short bursts of traffic followed by long periods of inactivity while person reads the page), they would have siced their links accordingly (aka: so many megabit/ per DSLAM etc).<br><br>"p2p" results in constant activity on the lines. And that screws up Bell's capacity planning. So instead of increaseing capacity to handle this, they decide to block it, thus eliminating the capacity problem.<br><br>This is the moral equivalent of Bell saying it will continue to have unmetered local voice/POTS service, but will disconnect any voice call that last more than 15 minutes.<br><br>Why implement it in places where there is no congestion ? Because by rolling this thing out to all places, it will be a preventive measure to prevent any one link from ever being oversubscribed since there will no longer be any steady traffic that eats up bandwdith.<br><br>Bell is fixing the capacity problem not by increasing capacity to handle demand, but by forcing demand to go down and preventing it from rising in areas where it hasn't risen yet.<br><br>And don't bet your life on TSI coming back from Bell and telling us the whole picture. It is quite possible that Bell may force them to sign an NDA in order to get the real picture of what Bell intends to do.<br><br>It will be *very* interesting to see what Rocky&Friends are able to tell us when their tractor returns from the big ivory towers where the Bell civil servants spend their time pushing papers and creating powerpoint presentations to convince their boss to implement some new policy like throttling.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:45:28 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/835558"><b>matradley</b></A> : My throttling has stopped this morning. That is normal though. We have found that throttling seems to be when everyone is at home between 4 pm and 2 am. After that, the throttle is a bit questionable but I have been able to download at full speeds since 7 am this morning.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:34:22 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : I'm just adding to the bitching...<br>Belleville Ontario, connected via bas1-kingston08<br><br>I swore I was being throttled over the past 4 days, when I noticed that lately my max download on a 4meg line has rarely crossed 50K/s and in fact has left me feeling quite ummm, what's that word... Ahh yes, Impotent! lol<br><br>Currently (tuesday morning) I'm downloading from one of my favourite private torrent sites, where being able to initiate and maintain a download with speeds at/around 400K/s isn't happening...<br><br>I'd been wondering and wondering, and had this whole problem chocked up to a high load in my internal network...<br>Alas, it was not the problem.<br><br>Like come on Teksavvy, I had to read about this on the front page of freakin /. (slashdot) to learn that TS is letting us get fucked over by the company we(mostly) ran away from to get decent service.<br><br>Fight for us Rocky!]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:13:35 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  TSI Gabe <A HREF="/useremail/u/1427767"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>[code=blah]<br>void main() {<br>      for (;;)<br>           printf("We do not throttle\n");<br>}<br>[/code]<br><br>HA! I win.<br><br> </div>void main?  You fail!]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:13:09 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/706116"><b>The Flash</b></A> : Today is Judgement day.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:03:15 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1535240"><b>GKC</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Radar73 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1522014"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br> It's clear to me that this is a bad faith effort on Bells part to stiffle the competition.  Either that or they really don't want you to download anything anymore.<br> </div>...that, or Bell is attempting to prove that they will be the dominating factor in everything, including Wholesalers.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:40:48 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1522014"><b>Radar73</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  jfmezei <A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>>umm teksavvy doesn't throttle period like said maybe it could <br>>be the load balancing by bell.<br><br>If, as a teksavvy customer, your service is throttled, it doesn't matter who does the throttling, the end result is that the service you pay for is throttled.<br><br>My guess is that Bell will tell ISPs that this is going to be a temporary solution to congestion problems until there are some upgrades to the network, hoping ISPs accept the explanation and be nice peaceful sheep who won't complain. Once that is achieved, the throttling will remain in place forever.<br> </div>My concern is that if I experienced no netword problems before the throttle, why does Bell need to reduce P2P traffic in my area by 94%, which as I understand it, P2P accounts for most traffic on the network?  If the throttle really was in place to stabalize the network in certain areas, then I'm sure a 10% reduction would do the trick, not 94%.  It's clear to me that this is a bad faith effort on Bells part to stiffle the competition.  Either that or they really don't want you to download anything anymore.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:38:01 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1535240"><b>GKC</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Bell_Abused <A HREF="/useremail/u/1401020"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>He also runs CIPPIC, The Canadian Internet Policy and Public Interest Clinic. Which many should complain to as well to see if a class action is even possible should the meeting today be of a sour note.<br> </div><i>Exactly!</i>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:28:18 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/973417"><b>edugas</b></A> : Rocky is on Slashdot!<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/08/03/25/035200.shtml" >yro.slashdot.org/yro/08/03/25/035200.shtml</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:12:52 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1401020"><b>Bell_Abused</b></A> : Its on the Dr. Michael Geist Site<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2782/125/" >www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2782/125/</A><br><br>"Bell Secretly Throttling Wholesale Internet Services?"<br><br>This is a GREAT place to let your voice be heard since he holds the Canada Research Chair of Internet and E-commerce Law at the University of Ottawa.<br><br>Many policy makers/politicians reference his site.<br><br>He also runs CIPPIC, The Canadian Internet Policy and Public Interest Clinic. Which many should complain to as well to see if a class action is even possible should the meeting today be of a sour note.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 07:29:43 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : >umm teksavvy doesn't throttle period like said maybe it could <br>>be the load balancing by bell.<br><br>If, as a teksavvy customer, your service is throttled, it doesn't matter who does the throttling, the end result is that the service you pay for is throttled.<br><br>My guess is that Bell will tell ISPs that this is going to be a temporary solution to congestion problems until there are some upgrades to the network, hoping ISPs accept the explanation and be nice peaceful sheep who won't complain. Once that is achieved, the throttling will remain in place forever.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 03:16:37 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/786047"><b>Homer88</b></A> : damnn i can really feel the throttle... at 1:45am torrent were going at 20kb/sec, 2:00am the same torrents went all the way to 500kb/sec  :o]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 02:40:00 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1197604"><b>gord27</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  NiGHTS <A HREF="/useremail/u/1539527"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>At the moment I can get around this by using encryption, but I wonder how long before Bell starts throttling encrypted traffic.<br><br>My client is Azureus.<br> </div>encryption in utorrent works fine for me as well.  i wonder why encryption works for us and not for most other people.  i'm connected to a co vs a remote if that makes any difference.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 02:00:23 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Wow there is a guy on google maps that is across the bridge from me in Etobicoke, about 1.5 km from my place he is throttled and I am not.  I guess I am very lucky.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 00:21:01 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1385167"><b>rogeryen</b></A> : my speeds for tonight has been mad, for the first half of the night the speed seemed to be unthrottled, then starting from 11pm it dropped and was jumping from 10K to 30K.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1527080"><b>MikeA1972</b></A> : FWIW, I don't seem to be affected anymore, at least for the time being.  The last couple nights have been back to normal (fingers crossed)]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 00:12:19 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/461621"><b>Gokuu</b></A> : &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r20212326-Throttled-TSI-Users-Google-Map">Throttled TSI Users - Google Map - *Other resellers welcome*</A><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by Mr Displeased :</small><br><br>Ive read about this map a few times but have failed to find it.  Could someone post it here again?<br><br>Much appreciated.<br> </div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1120722"><b>RuralOtt</b></A> : Barrhaven Ottawa. Definitely throttled now :( :(]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Ive read about this map a few times but have failed to find it.  Could someone post it here again?<br><br>Much appreciated.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/461621"><b>Gokuu</b></A> : if you are being throttled, please add your location to the google map.<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by Tekuser :</small><br><br>Thats why my internet's been going slow lately.... I used to be able to upload at a max of 70kbps, now I can only upload between 20-30kbps :(<br><br>Not happy at all.<br><br>I'm in Milton btw.<br> </div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : This message is a request for the powers to be to open a new thread with special permissions.<br><br>I like the fact so many people dislike this change in events as do I, but trying to figure out what is going on with a lot of complaints, opinions and thoughts in a way is hard.  I also expect this thread to only get larger.<br><br>I would like this thread to stay open for everyone to continue their postings, but I would like a new thread that stays at the top with only facts about the situation from a few key players.<br><br>***<br>As for my opinion...I am now being throttled when I am at home (I am home only once every few weeks).  I like to get my internet requirements done in those few days so when I don't have internet for the remaining few weeks I can keep myself entertained.  This means I try to suck back as much as possible across the internet in those few days to last me weeks.  In the end, this seriously effects how I use the internet and virtually diminishes its purpose for me.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Thats why my internet's been going slow lately.... I used to be able to upload at a max of 70kbps, now I can only upload between 20-30kbps :(<br><br>Not happy at all.<br><br>I'm in Milton btw.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/929913"><b>Omr</b></A> : @Nights hey man are you sure? I live on Riedmount pretty much down the road from the main intersect and I'm not being throttled ... what BAS are you on? Also are you one the CO or Remote ... I'm pretty sure I'm on the CO located across the funeral home after the train tracks.<br><br>bas2-toronto21 is my BAS and I'm on Unlimited.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1119722"><b>RogersLite</b></A> : umm teksavvy doesn't throttle period like said maybe it could be the load balancing by bell.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/804759"><b>cyboy</b></A> : If Teksavvy throttling, where will you go next?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/855959"><b>dcorreia</b></A> : I don't think they limit the encrypted traffic on the rogers cable business internet.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/248514"><b>mlerner</b></A> : hmm I may have now been throttled and it started only a few hours ago. Encryption seems to be having some effect, occasionally it will spike and then go back down to 30 kb/s.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1539527"><b>NiGHTS</b></A> : I have added my location to the Map.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/461621"><b>Gokuu</b></A> : Provide us with info or update the google map.<br><br>Thanks.<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  NiGHTS <A HREF="/useremail/u/1539527"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Actually looking at it closer, it is actually capped at 30kBps. This downloading both the CBC show and Fedora-8-Live-i686. This is unencrypted.<br><br>At the moment I can get around this by using encryption, but I wonder how long before Bell starts throttling encrypted traffic.<br><br>My client is Azureus.<br> </div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/461621"><b>Gokuu</b></A> : please add to the google map or provide details for someone to add it.<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by Onil :</small><br><br>I'm being more than just throttled. As soon as I start up a BitTorrent client, my connection is entirely crippled. If I close the client, it's back to normal. Here's a ping to google before I open the client, and another when the client is starting up. Any pings after that would lose all packets. This started happening this evening.<br></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1539527"><b>NiGHTS</b></A> : Actually looking at it closer, it is actually capped at 30kBps. This downloading both the CBC show and Fedora-8-Live-i686. This is unencrypted.<br><br>At the moment I can get around this by using encryption, but I wonder how long before Bell starts throttling encrypted traffic.<br><br>My client is Azureus.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : I'm being more than just throttled. As soon as I start up a BitTorrent client, my connection is entirely crippled. If I close the client, it's back to normal. Here's a ping to google before I open the client, and another when the client is starting up. Any pings after that would lose all packets. This started happening this evening.<br><br>C:\>ping google.ca<br><br>Pinging google.ca [64.233.187.104] with 32 bytes of data:<br><br>Reply from 64.233.187.104: bytes=32 time=119ms TTL=241<br>Reply from 64.233.187.104: bytes=32 time=126ms TTL=241<br>Reply from 64.233.187.104: bytes=32 time=139ms TTL=241<br>Reply from 64.233.187.104: bytes=32 time=149ms TTL=241<br><br>Ping statistics for 64.233.187.104:<br>    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),<br>Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:<br>    Minimum = 119ms, Maximum = 149ms, Average = 133ms<br><br>C:\>ping google.ca<br><br>Pinging google.ca [64.233.187.104] with 32 bytes of data:<br><br>Request timed out.<br>Request timed out.<br>Reply from 64.233.187.104: bytes=32 time=3237ms TTL=241<br>Reply from 64.233.187.104: bytes=32 time=1968ms TTL=241<br><br>Ping statistics for 64.233.187.104:<br>    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 2, Lost = 2 (50% loss),<br>Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:<br>    Minimum = 1968ms, Maximum = 3237ms, Average = 2602ms]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  ymboc <A HREF="/useremail/u/774632"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>My Unlimited NewsHosting connection appears to be throttled. I didn't expect them to touch usenet traffic but they have. Just as I was about to post I saw the speed return to normal. (see two attached images)... and 10 minutes later back down to 30kB/s sigh.<br> </div>Is this an encrypted news account by chance? SSL?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/835558"><b>matradley</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  warthunder2k <A HREF="/useremail/u/619663"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  ymboc <A HREF="/useremail/u/774632"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>    :</small><br><br>My Unlimited NewsHosting connection appears to be throttled. I didn't expect them to touch usenet traffic but they have. Just as I was about to post I saw the speed return to normal. (see two attached images)... and 10 minutes later back down to 30kB/s sigh.<br> </div>Now this really worries me, as there doesn't seem to be any way left to download fast. Also,  newsgroups were the last bastion :((( <br><br>Please ppl update about this one if you have some info<br> </div>I am finding this very disturbing. The fact that they have seemed to have throttled many, many protocols is a major concern. My own leverage right now is the fact that I have access to a server where I have access to a secured web page so I can download my data into and download to home. It is a bit slow 80-100 KB/s, but it is better than nothing. This is very anti-competitive behaviour entrapping all of the wholesalers into the same pool as Bell. I think that, once this is out in the public with the media, Bell will take a beating. <br><br>Otherwise, on a more optimistic note, perhaps this is a simple (major) configuration error done before the weekend. Someone could have configured the Cisco routers to throttle back a band of connections and accidentally added the whole range! I know this is optimistic, but it is a thought.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/619663"><b>warthunder2k</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  ymboc <A HREF="/useremail/u/774632"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>My Unlimited NewsHosting connection appears to be throttled. I didn't expect them to touch usenet traffic but they have. Just as I was about to post I saw the speed return to normal. (see two attached images)... and 10 minutes later back down to 30kB/s sigh.<br> </div>Now this really worries me, as there doesn't seem to be any way left to download fast. Also, newsgroups were the last bastion :(((<br><br>Please ppl update about this one if you have some info ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/461621"><b>Gokuu</b></A> : Try some different torrents with a lot of seeders and report back.<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  NiGHTS <A HREF="/useremail/u/1539527"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I'm trying to download CBC's "Canada's Next Great Prime Minister" and getting throttled @50K in Sheppard & Kennedy. I have the Premium package.<br><br> </div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/835558"><b>matradley</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  JayMan <A HREF="/useremail/u/640660"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  matradley <A HREF="/useremail/u/835558"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>Bah.. I think because someone in Pembroke decided to tell the world that our BAS is not being throttled, the Petawawa BAS is being throttled for wholesalers too.<br> </div>Pembroke and Petawawa do not have BAS's. Everything we have is in Ottawa.<br> </div>I've decided to blame you anyways. :P Not that it matters though. I just hope that something is rectified tomorrow or soon when the Wholesalers get a chance to discuss the problem. :)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/640660"><b>JayMan</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  matradley <A HREF="/useremail/u/835558"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Bah.. I think because someone in Pembroke decided to tell the world that our BAS is not being throttled, the Petawawa BAS is being throttled for wholesalers too.<br> </div>Pembroke and Petawawa do not have BAS's. Everything we have is in Ottawa.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1539527"><b>NiGHTS</b></A> : BE, it's sad but true. Koreans can now get Canadian content paid for by Canadians taxpayers, faster than Canadians. <br><br>If this is not a "mistake", this issue will not go away for Bell or Rogers, people are fed up. Remember the government serves the people. Bell has to play by the people's rules. Bell has no right to play censor! People will NOT take this any longer!<br><br>People, it's time to get organized.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1514256"><b>alec</b></A> : Looks like Ottawa is throttled now..to add to the list..but already posted in the other thread. We wait and see.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : The mods didn't seem to like my little play on Bell... So guess I'll tone it down a bit....<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  NiGHTS <A HREF="/useremail/u/1539527"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I'm trying to download CBC's "Canada's Next Great Prime Minister" and getting throttled  </div>Canadian Content can only be downloaded at full speed outside Quebec & Ontario.<br><br>Those in iceland, North Korea, or europe however can have unfettered access to Canadian content.<br><br>hope this was toned down enough for their liking ;)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : rogers competes with shaw for home phone, portable internet and possibly DSL.   Rogers is national, they compete with almost all the providers in canada.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1527080"><b>MikeA1972</b></A> : LOL @BE!  Sad that it is true. :(]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  xmz <A HREF="/useremail/u/1216418"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>My encrypted FTP sessions are now being throttled to 30kb/s as well now.<br><br>Again, I'm with Distributel in KW.<br><br> :huh:<br> </div>I have read, and I am not sure if this is true, But I have read that if you go on an SSL Encrypted IRC network you will get the throttle as well. This was reported by a Sympatico user.<br><br>Can anyone in an affected area confirm?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1539527"><b>NiGHTS</b></A> : I'm trying to download CBC's "Canada's Next Great Prime Minister" and getting throttled @50K in Sheppard & Kennedy. I have the Premium package.<br><br>I'm afraid to use VPN wouldn't be a solution. Bell, like Rogers will just throttle encrypted traffic.<br><br>Maybe this is all some bad mistake, but that is doubtful. We will find out tomorrow.<br><br>The only options may be:<br><br>1) Some action by a government organization CRTC, Competition Bureau, etc. I'm afraid the CRTC may be clueless. If the CRTC wants to exist, they need to become relevant, and stop this anti-competitive behavior.<br><br>2) Net Neutrality Legislation. This may come into fruition in the USA, as Obama is a big proponent of Net Neutrality. If he wins, and passes legislation, hopefully Canada would follow. Unfortunately Canadian politicians probably won't lead in this area, they are really out of touch. Green party is the only party for Net Neutrality.<br><br>3) Unfortunately until 1 or 2 happens maybe the independent ISP's can get together and install their own DSLAM's, like Primus did.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/774632"><b>ymboc</b></A> : My Unlimited NewsHosting connection appears to be throttled. I didn't expect them to touch usenet traffic but they have. Just as I was about to post I saw the speed return to normal. (see two attached images)... and 10 minutes later back down to 30kB/s sigh.<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20219269?c=1290174&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDIxOTUyMi54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="39573 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=131 SRC="/r0/download/1290174.thumb600~0614f5a8f5e906010abfe9594099f399/usenetthrottle.PNG/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A><br>Slow</TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20219269?c=1290175&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDIxOTUyMi54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="40230 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=130 SRC="/r0/download/1290175.thumb600~f01eb57d2fbe67f93ac31684743861a9/usenetthrottle2.PNG/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A><br>Fast</TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Rogers solved this problem by throttling all encrypted traffic period. I'm not sure if they still do this.><br><br>They do, pretty much. I'm still with Rogers.<br><br>Using private torrent trackers are out of the question, because you aren't able to seed back what you've leeched.<br>The best up I've ever had while trying Utorrent on Rogers <br>was 1.8kbs!:o<br><br>As far as I know, open source trackers can still be used, due to not having to seed back. <br><br>In short, with Rogers you can download til' your heart's content, and at very high speeds. Uploading with bittorrent is a very different matter altogether though.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : > encrypted FTP sessions are now being throttled to 30kb/s<br><br>If true then what is next!  VPN?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:54:25 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/765277"><b>eots</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Arbalister <A HREF="/useremail/u/1506059"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>We can press the CRTC on this, and argue that it harms our ability to compete...and their answer will be that 85% of all internet users in canada are with Bell, Shaw, Rogers, or Telus, so there's already enough competition in the market.<br></div>Telus and Bell do not compete with each other and Rogers doesn't compete with Shaw, they operate in separate geographic areas.  The ONLY competition in the DSL market up to now has been between Bell and the Wholesale DSL ISP's and now Bell is trying to destroy their ability to compete with them!]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:54:05 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1216418"><b>xmz</b></A> : My encrypted FTP sessions are now being throttled to 30kb/s as well now.<br><br>Again, I'm with Distributel in KW.<br><br> :huh:]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:16:34 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1506059"><b>Arbalister</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by Etobicoke User :</small><br><br>Excellent Point.  When will the smaller ISPs stand up and doing whats right for the consumer.  What we are asking for isn't much.  If you want to cap us, fine, if you want to charge 20 bucks more for unlimited BW, fine.  Im ok with charging more for the heavy end users.  But, to tell me its unlimited, then cap a specific type of useage, now thats not only bad buisness but should be considered illegal in my opinion.  If I buy gasoline from ESSO, do they have the right to tell me to only drive on city streets between certain hours?  Ofcourse not.  I don't understand how the ISP, Rogers or Bell is able to get away with throttling.<br> </div>We've been standing up and doing what's right for 12 years.  A few years back, the CRTC wanted to step in and regulate internet "content" - picture Canadian Content rules for the internet, like there are for TV.  Honest to god, they actually ran a survey to find out if they should enforce canadian content rules on ISPs.  CAIP and other non-CAIP independants argued it to a standstill.  Bell has wanted to pull dry DSL loops as a service offering for years - you still have 'em because of the independant ISPs...and that's as recently as a couple months ago.<br><br>With this throttling, the way they are accomplishing it, we have to show that they are violating the terms of our contracts - our contracts do not allow for throttling.  There are no exception clauses.  If that means that they can't use this method to throttle their own users, tough luck Ma Bell.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:09:51 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1506059"><b>Arbalister</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  jfmezei <A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>>How do you figure Tek will lose users very quickly? Hate to <br>>tell ya, if Bell will do it to Tek, they will do it to every <br>>DSL ISP<br><br>Say ISP-A decides to remain silent and be nice to Bell, resigned to Bell's power to throttle their customers, while ISB-B makes noise, informs their customers, goes the CRTC and fights hard to get the throttling removed.<br><br>Shouldn't ISP-B get the business ?<br><br>Nobody is asking a current ISP to go on a CRTC Jihad like Ralph and stop paying their Bell bills. <br><br>If All ISPs spoke with one voice, then Bell couldn't single out individual ISPs and ensure they have bad service from Bell.<br> </div>The CRTC doesn't work that way.  There is an organization of independant ISPs already.  CAIP.  CAIP was formed to lobby the CRTC against the crap the Bell and the cableco's pull.  So...CAIP pushed ISP access to cable internet and "won' - the CRTC mandates that we get access to their system at a wholesale price 25% off their retail...but they allow the cableco's to set interconnect requirements.  All of which are set to be insanely expensive.  That's why most ISP's haven't gotten into reselling cable internet yet.<br><br>We can press the CRTC on this, and argue that it harms our ability to compete...and their answer will be that 85% of all internet users in canada are with Bell, Shaw, Rogers, or Telus, so there's already enough competition in the market.<br><br>Really - they've already made that ruling in at least one dispute.  <br><br>10 years ago, 90% of all internet users were through independant ISPs.  And there were hundreds of ISPs.  Now 4 is "sufficient."]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:04:09 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/835558"><b>matradley</b></A> : Bah.. I think because someone in Pembroke (I doubt that is really the reason :P) decided to tell the world that our BAS is not being throttled, the Petawawa BAS is being throttled for wholesalers too.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:03:05 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1507347"><b>Flannel</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by gurn :</small><br><br>the person that invents such software that perm hides p2p and makes it look like normal web traffic would become very wealthy.</div>Wealthy?  LOL, off P2P users?!  :p]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:58:27 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><b>Guspaz</b></A> : As I said, you can proxy BitTorrent traffic over an HTTP tunnel. As far as Bell is concerned, all you have is one single HTTP connection (download and/or upload) between you and a remote host.<br><br>Rogers solved this problem by throttling all encrypted traffic period. I'm not sure if they still do this.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:04:10 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1197604"><b>gord27</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  jpabboud <A HREF="/useremail/u/1300816"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>The fact that they did not inform any of their ISP clients makes me think that it's entirely possible that it's a temporary measure.<br> </div>i was never informed they were throttling before i left.  what makes you think bell you treat the 3rd party isps any differently then it's own dsl clients???]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:00:12 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : the person that invents such software that perm hides p2p and makes it look like normal web traffic would become very wealthy.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:59:03 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1471971"><b>DSL_Ricer</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by gurn :</small><br><br>If only it were possible to change p2p downloading to look like normal web traffic, then they couldnt throttle it without affecting the entire customer base.   If they did then we'd have a lot more pressure on them. <br> </div>The current session initialization for an encrypted BT link is the classic Diffie-Hellman key exchange(?), also used by ssh and ssl. They can't be blocking based on that. Chances are, what they do is listen to announces, currently done unencrypted over http, and blacklist any host that shows up.<br>Either that or they just blacklist people with a connection count or rate higher than some value.<br><br>I'd love to see someone who's throttled test whether using a tracker over https and forcing BT encryption ends up getting throttled.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:56:42 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><b>Guspaz</b></A> : There are already existing TCP over HTTP tunneling solutions. I wrote one myself once, for fun. But Bell is already only throttling based on PPPoE hostname (they throttle wholesalers but not Bell business customers), so they might very well just start throttling all upstream traffic on the ISP.<br><br>Of course, at that point you could argue that Bell is really providing a 5/240 connection, and the requirement seems to be that they provide equivalent access, which that wouldn't be.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:46:31 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : If only it were possible to change p2p downloading to look like normal web traffic, then they couldnt throttle it without affecting the entire customer base.   If they did then we'd have a lot more pressure on them. <br><br>They will happily throttle entire 3rd party ISP and probably %30 of there customers that use p2p, but they can't throttle the entire customer base if they can't find the p2p.  I guess there isn't a way to hide it.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:40:44 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><b>Guspaz</b></A> : Bell will happily provide you with a 100mbit connection to your home. Unlimited, no throttling. Of course, you'd have to be filthy rich to afford it.<br><br>TekSavvy used to wholesale Bell T1, 10mbit, and 100mbit connections.<br><br>They sold 10mbit connections for $1,560 (metro core), and included 200GB/mth of transit.<br><br>In other words, if you can afford to spend 5200% of the price for your connection, you can do what is described.<br><br>EDIT: Another option, if this doesn't get resolved... We customers can all pitch in and get a colocated/dedicated box at a 151 Front colo provider, and use it as a VPN endpoint for our DSL lines. I really doubt it would come to that, though. It'd be pretty sad that TekSavvy customers would have to do such a thing, so I'm sure Rocky is going to get this all worked out.<br><br>EDIT2: This idea is actually more or less a TekSavvy reseller using its' own internet connectivity. Hopefully it won't come to that. It's financially feasible with very little investment, but let's hope it doesn't come to that. Especially since TekSavvy could offer an equivalent service themselves if it comes to that.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Leathal <A HREF="/useremail/u/581584"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>The next question is does this throttling affect people who buy 10Mbit/100Mbit connections, because if it doesn't then you might see more ppl buying these connections for their homes -<br>Leathal<br> </div>hahaha buying 10/100-meg for their homes? LOL Bell can barely supply 5-meg to its own users, and to its wholesale customers user base.<br><br>hahaha sorry had to laugh at this.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by Building out a independent infrastructure for the DSL service might not be a bad idea. If the top ten largest independent ISP's contribute to some type consortium we might be able to pull it off in the major cities. It's not as expensive as some of you may think. The best way to look at this is how much we pay to Bell right now. Acanac and TekSavvy alone are paying Bell more than $1000,000 dollars a month combined. (just an estimate based on how many AGAS connections TekSavvy and Acanac both have )<br> [/BQUOTE :</small><br><br>I 2nd this, heck with Bell, why they do this crap near the Eastern long weekend?  This is obviously a game to Bell.  Same reason when I tried to leave with Bell they claim I never cancel from their service.  Bell has very bad business practice I would love not to depend on Bell at all.<br>I am surely willing to pay a bit more so we don't have to be mercy of Bell.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/581584"><b>Leathal</b></A> : How much throttling does Sympatico/Nexxia do to it's own clients? Are end-users and corporations that use Nexxia's dedicated ADSL effected by their throttling?<br><br>It would be interesting to see, because this would mean the rules would have be rewritten and customers all over the area's that Bell covers would have be made aware of that even though they are paying for the service they have they will also still be throttled at Bell's discretion.<br><br>The next question is does this throttling affect people who buy 10Mbit/100Mbit connections, because if it doesn't then you might see more ppl buying these connections for their homes - yes it's expensive now but as more and more ppl buy them the price will start going down. :)<br><br>Leathal]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1264688"><b>habskilla</b></A> : Hey Rocky,<br><br>Forget about all this.  Just concentrate on what should be your most important issue right now.  <br><br><b>BRINGING TSI TO THE EAST COAST!!</b><br><br> :D<br><small>--<br>GO LEAFS GO (all the way to the golf course)</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1528174"><b>NeoStylez</b></A> : no they dont. :P]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1535240"><b>GKC</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by helper316 :</small><br><br>I think Bell is just helping teksvvy enforce their own usage policy   =)<br><br> </div>Bell has no business interferring in the private business of wholesalers.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1535240"><b>GKC</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  JunjiHiroma <A HREF="/useremail/u/1538349"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>First a tech strike and now this,seems like bell is hot water now and I mean REALLY hot water<br> </div>The sneaky, under-handedness of Bell to do something like this to wholesalers, without first notifying them of their intentions, should promp people to leave Bell.  When TekSavvy launches their home phone, I will leave Bell once and for all, and <i>refuse</i> to do any further business with them.  I hope this news reaches the airwaves and really gives Bell a bad name. :mad:]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : I think Bell is just helping teksvvy enforce their own usage policy   =)<br><br>*upload or download, post, publish, retrieve, transmit, or otherwise reproduce, distribute or provide access to information, software or other material which: (i) is confidential or is protected by copyright or other intellectual property rights, without prior authorization from the rights holder(s); ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1538349"><b>JunjiHiroma</b></A> : First a tech strike and now this,seems like bell is hot water now and I mean REALLY hot water]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1507347"><b>Flannel</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  GKC <A HREF="/useremail/u/1535240"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Why wait until Tuesday?[...]</div>It's a good idea to read a thread before posting to it...<br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  rocky <A HREF="/useremail/u/1523961"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>We've got a meeting scheduled on Tuesday with Bell to discuss things, so hopefully it goes somewhere...</div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1535240"><b>GKC</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Angelo_ <A HREF="/useremail/u/646748"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>lets see what happens TUESDAY<br><br>PERIOD end of topic until TUESDAY!<br> </div>Why wait until Tuesday?  It's business as usual at Bell today.  They're open.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/243195"><b>fatness</b></A> : <div class="bquote"> if he keeps up his crap remarks like those he has posted in this topic.</div><div class="bquote">If you think that a simple meeting by one ISP, no matter how popular that ISP might be would change things at Bell, you are delusional.  </div>I'd like to keep remarks like these out of the thread. It's too important a topic to demean like that. Thank you.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.livescience.com/animals/071218-monkey-call.html">Female monkeys often utter loud, distinctive calls before, during or after sex.<a>.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : >Did they ask Rogers to do the same when they implemented >their throttling ?<br><br>Rogers and Sympatico implemeted their throttling at the ISP level, and ISPs can do whatever they want to do with their own traffic.<br><br>Bell is providing wholesale transport of data at DSL speeds between end users and ISPs. This is very different. Bell isn't supposed to look inside PPPoE packets and decide that some packets should be slowed down.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : >Who said that ? Sitting down with Bell does not mean putting <br>>a gun to their head and threatening them from the start. <br><br>There is a HUGE gap  between "putting a gun to their head and threathening them from the start" and just sitting down to accept their explanation and tell them that you'll just adjust your business to the new reality.<br><br>I posted a link to the 5410 tariff over at the "Nexxia Throttling" topic in canadian broadband. Suggest you read it.<br><br>Consider the telephone. The network hgad been setup to handle the "busy hour" which was business calss lasting a certain number of minutes between 10:00 and 11:00 am. When dial-up internet started, it threw Bell's statistics completely out of wack with the busy house moving to the evenings and with calls lasting hours. Bell didn't start to "throttle" phone calls to make people speak slower. There were some fast busy signals for a little while until Bell added more circuits on the links betwene busy COs.<br><br>We expect the same for DSL. If there is some capacity problem because people make greater use of internet than Bell's paper pushing statisticians had predicted, then it is up to Bell to simply add capacity to its BACKBONE to handle the load. <br><br>I posted the link to the 5410 tariff over in canadian broadband "Nexxia throttling" topic.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 05:36:48 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1300816"><b>jpabboud</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  jfmezei <A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>>lets see what happens TUESDAY<br><br>All the Bell civil servant will do is confirm to Teksavvy that they are intalling throttling software on thir BAS and/or DSLAMS which will affect all ISPs equally. <br></div>No where does it say Bell confirmed they're throttling, Rocky talked about load balancing in vague terms but not throttling specifically.<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  jfmezei <A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>It is likely that this software will be installed throughout Bell's territory. Not sure if it will be activated everywhere, or just locations where there is known oversubscription (aka: overloaded lines). Not sure if those places where it has been actiivated will see the throttling removed when additional capacity is added or not.<br></div>Maybe but it's too early to panic, we need to know what Bell's thinking specifically. The fact that they did not inform any of their ISP clients makes me think that it's entirely possible that it's a temporary measure.<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  jfmezei <A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>If you think that a simple meeting by one ISP, no matter how popular that ISP might be would change things at Bell, you are delusional.  Bell is implementing a policy it has decided a long time ago. They know to expect complaints from ISPs. </div>Who said that ? Sitting down with Bell does not mean putting a gun to their head and threatening them from the start. It has to be done legally but you need to give Bell some time to explain what's going on. If this is a permanent measure, Rocky will deal with it accordingly by examining the contract they signed with Bell.<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  jfmezei <A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>Lets not kid ourselves, only the CRTC can force Bell to change this policy.</div>Don't kid yourself, the CRTC will not force Bell to take it down if that's really what they want to do. Did they ask Rogers to do the same when they implemented their throttling ?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 03:51:03 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/646748"><b>Angelo_</b></A> : seeing as nothing can be done until tuesday let's see.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 03:18:17 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : >lets see what happens TUESDAY<br><br>All the Bell civil servant will do is confirm to Teksavvy that they are intalling throttling software on thir BAS and/or DSLAMS which will affect all ISPs equally. It is likely that this software will be installed throughout Bell's territory. Not sure if it will be activated everywhere, or just locations where there is known oversubscription (aka: overloaded lines). Not sure if those places where it has been actiivated will see the throttling removed when additional capacity is added or not.<br><br>If you think that a simple meeting by one ISP, no matter how popular that ISP might be would change things at Bell, you are xxxxxxxxxx overly optimistic.  Bell is implementing a policy it has decided a long time ago. They expect and are ready for a certain level of resistance. We need to make sure the resitaance is far more than what Bell paper pushers predicted it would be.<br><br>Lets not kid ourselves, only the CRTC can force Bell to change this policy.<br><br>With large corporations, once customers start to see effects of a policy, it is usually way too late to stop it, unless the media gets into it in a big way (in which case, it is the company's own PR department that makes pressure to reverse that policy).]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/646748"><b>Angelo_</b></A> : lets see what happens TUESDAY<br><br>PERIOD end of topic until TUESDAY!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/895655"><b>newSymp</b></A> : If your internet is being throttled, and your paying a monthly fee , and ur service says 5mb that is what ur paying for. Your not gauranteed the 5mb cause of network traffic etc, BUT the CEO and who ever should be informing the customers what they are agreeing too, and why bell is doing what bell is doing. <br><br>I am paying them for the service, I would love to know what is going on, and what is on the terms..<br><br>Though IF teksavvy leases the lines from bell for people to get dsl, why is BELL throttling the service??<br><br>IF teksavvy pays them for the lines or however it works, and tek is providing the bandwidth that they purchase, what right is it of bell to go decrease and throttle the customers of another ISP.<br><br>IF i am paying bell a lease on crap, they better have their equipment up to par and not create these throttles. that kind of thing would be up to TEKSAVVY and not bell cause we not bell customers.<br><br>Unless teksavvy is doing something shaddy and putting the blame on bell like most isp do. and now that the complaints are coming through, and the traffic is increasing at tek, they put the blame at bell.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 02:47:29 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1529878"><b>Sears</b></A> : I have no problems with TS taking the calm route. Why start screaming bloody murder if it could be a mistake on Bells side.<br><br>Not saying its likely that they made a mistake, but still you never know.  :)]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 01:00:00 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/818722"><b>andyb</b></A> : Well that really is none of your business as are  jfmezei_'s requests.These are corporations and they dont have to answer to you but they(teksavvy) do out of a certain philosphy thats in my opinion should be broke if he( jfmezei_) keeps up his crap remarks like those he has posted in this topic.<br>Teksavvy owes you nothing.They have kept you upto date on what they know.Bell does not work weekends so get over it.What more do you want?blood?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : one thing that has not been confirmed one way or the other is what is stated in the contract/agreement between bell and teksavvy?  Are they using a loop hole, are they entitled to throttle, are they breaking your the terms set out.<br><br>These are probably things that can't possibly be directly answered.  I haven't seen anyone from TS say one way or the other though.  Not sure why we wait till tuesday for that.  Obviously teksavvy either didn't expect bell to do this or they felt safe behind a contract laid out with bell.  <br><br>Personally i dont know what to think about bell atm,  are they doing something down right dirty, or are they still within there terms with teksavvy.<br><br>I mean i do of course hate bell i just need to know exactly what im hating them for today heh.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1042005"><b>accusync</b></A> : one great thing about Minority Govt's is that I have a Seantor who is acting as a Mnister here in my riding. I and several others have bent his ear in a rather forceful way over the day and several others will in the morning.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/917504"><b>Quake110</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  R0CKY <A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Funny guy... You could have said nothing and we would have had this meeting.  We see this particular issue as a core issue, not something where it's a volume response.  It's part of our business practice/philosophy.<br> </div>Ah, I have a fuzzy and a cuddly feeling inside :p But seriously, thanks for sticking to your business philosophy and I hope the meeting with bell will be worthwhile!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><b>R0CKY</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  jfmezei <A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>>Funny guy... You could have said nothing and we would have had this meeting<br><br>But that meeting with the Bell civil servants will have far more weight if you can back it up with a lot of customers complaints. So the oouder we are here, the more ammunition you can bring to Bell.<br><br>If you were to recive notice of lawsuits from customers before your customers, you could go to Bell and tell them that you are now being sued for the throttling in effect going against your advertised service levels.<br> </div>Trust me when I say this.... Every relevant thread to this discussion has already been sent to as far up as we can send it at this point.<br><small>--<br>TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : >Funny guy... You could have said nothing and we would have had this meeting<br><br>But that meeting with the Bell civil servants will have far more weight if you can back it up with a lot of customers complaints. So the louder we are here, the more ammunition you can bring to Bell.<br><br>Say customers started to sue Teksavvy for false advertising since their service is being throttled while TSI advertises it isn't, then TSI would be able to tell Bell that Bell's decision to mess with traffic is having legal and financial repercussions with the ISPs.<br><br>(Teksavvy is probably safe from lawsuits since customers are not on contract, but consider other ISPs who may have customers on contract and Bell's move will now prevent those ISPs from fulfilling their ocntract obligations to provide unthrottled service).<br><br>If customers just don't care  then TSI will go to Bell, tell Bell it heard rumours there might be throttling, Bell would answer "could be  :-)" and Bell would essentially get confirmation that their ploy to spread throttling will work with even less resistance and bad PR than expected.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><b>R0CKY</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  jfmezei <A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Re: Waiting until we hear "the official word" from Bell.<br><br>Consider this: <br><br>If nobody had spoken out to show outrage at this practice, do you think Teksavvy would have taken notice of this issue and called a meeting with some Bell civil servant on Tuesday ?<br><br>We, as customers, need to make it very clear to our supplier (Teksavvy) that we do not tolerate such a practice. AS LOUDLY AS POSSIBLE.<br><br>1- This pushes Teksavvy to do more than just listen to Bell.<br><br>2- This gives amunition to Teksavvy, should Teksavvy decided to fight this in whatever way they choose.<br><br>If we were all docile quiet customers who accepted the throttling, Teksavvy would simply go meet with the Bell civil servant, be told to accept throttling and Teksavvy would come back and simply give us the schedule of when Bell intends to have this rolled out to all areas.<br><br>As customers, we must show zero tolerance for throttling NOW. <br> </div>Funny guy... You could have said nothing and we would have had this meeting.  We see this particular issue as a core issue, not something where it's a volume response.  It's part of our business practice/philosophy.<br><small>--<br>TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1197604"><b>gord27</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  micheldc <A HREF="/useremail/u/1408066"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I still have my Sympatico login active and if I use it, my BT downloads are throttled at 28KB/s like they were before.  On the other hand, if I use my TS login, the throttling just disappears.  And I hope it will stay that way... :huh:<br><br>Michel<br> </div>that's interesting as many people have speculated that the throttling is geography based.  if it's not then does that mean bell has access to our teksavvy login info?<br><br>the only other answer i can think of is if bell has separate throttle controls for 3rd party vendors then it's own clients.  that sounds VERY intentional and permanent to me.<br><br>(please don't flame me if i'm misunderstanding the technology)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1484310"><b>creatine</b></A> : So far no throttling here.  Downloading Linux ISO via torrent at 400+ kb<br><br>ERX01, Montreal]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/809302"><b>justsometech</b></A> : Well i will say this... (*note* not a teksavvy cx as of yet due to contract fun)<br><br>If Teksavvy has any executive savvy, it will be over for you guys shortly. If they drag their feet on this, then as much as it is Bell's fault for starting this, you better believe its Teksavvy's fault for not finishing it, and quickly.<br> Whether it be from contact they have with Bell, or some legal injunction that Teksavvy brings against them, i hope it gets done quickly.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1408066"><b>micheldc</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  otheroptions3 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1431626"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>i also looked at the google map i dont see anything in mtl. does teksavvy have a presence in mtl.</div>Well they have at least one customer.  I switched to TekSavvy on Friday and have not experienced any throttling since then.<br><br>I still have my Sympatico login active and if I use it, my BT downloads are throttled at 28KB/s like they were before.  On the other hand, if I use my TS login, the throttling just disappears.  And I hope it will stay that way... :huh:<br><br>Michel]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : In richmond hill here. I've noticed that my connection has been overall sucky this past weekend. Although I was using a different p2p app yesterday and was pretty much maxing out all night. Today it's been piss slow though. Seems likes an Easter Miracle courtesy of Bell.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1533785"><b>jessy</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  jpabboud <A HREF="/useremail/u/1300816"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>They can... keep in mind all the data's passing on Bell's internal network before getting to Teksavvy. Under normal circumstances data passing between customer and ISP should be unaltered but Bell is definitely altering the flow in specific areas. Why? We should be getting answers from Rocky this week.<br> </div>sounds like a soap :P  find out the answer in our next episode of Bells of our lives...<br><br>sorry, had to make a joke  ;)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1300816"><b>jpabboud</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  DrZEUS <A HREF="/useremail/u/931617"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>a lot of conflicting ideas on whether or not Bell can throttle 3rd party vendors like TS. Can they or can they not? Is this really another Bell tactic or is TS getting "oversaturated" with customers? Is the TS network one in the same with Bell's network?<br><br>I am asking these questions because I would like to know the answers.<br> </div>They can... keep in mind all the data's passing on Bell's internal network before getting to Teksavvy. Under normal circumstances data passing between customer and ISP should be unaltered but Bell is definitely altering the flow in specific areas. Why? We should be getting answers from Rocky this week.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/931617"><b>DrZEUS</b></A> : a lot of conflicting ideas on whether or not Bell can throttle 3rd party vendors like TS. Can they or can they not? Is this really another Bell tactic or is TS getting "oversaturated" with customers? Is the TS network one in the same with Bell's network?<br><br>I am asking these questions because I would like to know the answers.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><b>Guspaz</b></A> : Colocating DSLAMs in a CO doesn't require any new equipment installations (outside the CO, that is). This completely bypasses the possibility of any interference by Bell, since the only thing between the customer and the ISP-owned DSLAM is unbiased dumb copper wire.<br><br>Of course, I'd imagine that this wouldn't help anybody who are on remotes, I think.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1431626"><b>otheroptions3</b></A> : i was more hoping that many of us could attempt the same thing from the same source i doubt cbc has put half ass bandwidth into something like this then compare results from diff dsl providers in various locations. <br><br>i also looked at the google map i dont see anything in mtl. does teksavvy have a presence in mtl. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1353012"><b>pwnedrice</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  otheroptions3 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1431626"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>why dont we all try and set up to download the bit torrent from cbc tomorrow of the next priminister...in prime time<br>all from the same feed from various isp s and various profiles and report back the results ? anyoen would be up for thta to compare results ?<br> </div>we should do that, and then someone using Bell should complain about WHY I CAN'T DOWNLOAD MY F*CKING SHOW FROM CBC USING BITTORRENT!?!?! <br>that MAY do the trick...level up the complaints, and maybe they'll start to smarten up ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1484077"><b>TheMG</b></A> : What if the COs, DSLAMs and phone lines were government owned,  then Bell and Telus would be in the same boat as any other ISP. That would for sure encourage a lot more competition, and the big companies like Bell and Telus would have no say on what the smaller ISPs like TSI can and can't do.<br><br>Only in an ideal world I guess...<br><br>Aren't there some countries that have successfully implemented such a system?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1431626"><b>otheroptions3</b></A> : why dont we all try and set up to download the bit torrent from cbc tomorrow of the next priminister...in prime time<br>all from the same feed from various isp s and various profiles and report back the results ? anyoen would be up for thta to compare results ?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/978831"><b>The Wave</b></A> : I'm thinking this must have been either  a mistake on bell's part or they are probing how far they can take their throtling and gauge people's reactions in the resellers' sphere. it could be that given how many power users have switched to the likes of teksavvy the bandwidth costs are higher than the revenue generated by wholesale and therefore bell is pulling a fast one to force renegotiations of the contracts.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/640660"><b>JayMan</b></A> : Deadpool, I still think you had something to do with this all.<br><br>Also I would openly welcome them to put a remote on my front lawn. Hell i'd pour the cement pad myself.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/356677"><b>Deadpool</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  HeadSpinning <A HREF="/useremail/u/1210963"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Acanac Inc <A HREF="/useremail/u/1443935"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br> Building out a independent infrastructure for the DSL service  might not be a bad idea.  </div>Figure on around $200k per CO if you wire it up with enough links to make it useful.<br><br>Also, don't forget the backhaul network, as well as the fact that customers served from Remotes still have to go on GAS.<br> </div>You also have to consider the fact that many communities are making it harder and harder every day to install any type of new equipment in their neighbourhood's.  :(<br><small>--<br>Series tied 3-3 vs Leafs...GO SENS GO :D</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1210963"><b>HeadSpinning</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Acanac Inc <A HREF="/useremail/u/1443935"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br> Building out a independent infrastructure for the DSL service  might not be a bad idea.  </div>Figure on around $200k per CO if you wire it up with enough links to make it useful.<br><br>Also, don't forget the backhaul network, as well as the fact that customers served from Remotes still have to go on GAS.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/965530"><b>s49</b></A> : Yeah, I was being throttled a few days ago, managed to get around it with some uT settings, things were fine up until a few hours ago where I'm being throttled again.<br><br>So, from 3:30 to 6, it was a steady 45-50kB/s, as of 6pm, it's down to 25-30kB/s.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1300816"><b>jpabboud</b></A> : <br>The consortium idea should have been done a long time ago. $20 /mo per user is one thing but Bell's pricing on the backhaul link to their network was outrageous compared to the competition. So they're making money on the port charge and the transport link between their cloud and the ISP.<br><br>The consortium could charge an annual membership fee (a la ARIN) and then a per port charge based on speed. The setup fee (at least $10 000) could be used to finance equipment and new POPs before they break even.<br><br>Who knows maybe the consortium could afford setting up remote DSLAMS in certain areas.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/461621"><b>Gokuu</b></A> : So does this mean you are throttled?<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  s49 <A HREF="/useremail/u/965530"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Good ol' update:<br>Yesterday morning circa 9AM, speeds were maxed out. Didn't grab anything in the afternoon and evening to check if anything has changed.<br><br>Decided to do a test this afternoon around 3, maxed out until 3:30 and hit the 50kB/s cap and still going strong!<br><br>In the Kennedy/Steeles area btw.<br> </div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1491933"><b>CanerisErik</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  otheroptions3 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1431626"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br> you ll need to get some sort of setup with a company to handle dispatches etc. <br> </div>I think I just might know someone who can help with field techs across Ontario ;)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1431626"><b>otheroptions3</b></A> : primus has already put equipment in bell and telus co s all over the place.<br><br>the way it works is if your close enough to the co you good to go.<br><br>if your not they need to dry loop you through a remote and that costs money and your at the mercy of bell as seems to be the same situation as is occuring now<br><br>when primus had this issue it was only the accounts on the nexxia dry looped lines that were throttled. the accounts hooked up to the equipment owned by primus was not affected.<br><br>you ll need to setup your own network control team not just an escalation team that will send bell tickets and watch your dns and mail servers etc. you ll need to get some sort of setup with a company to handle dispatches etc. and once again take a look at how many clients are on a remote. i believe that the clients on a remote are break even clients for primus for the most part unless they are doing tons of bandwidth or calling every second day. to get primus to approach bell for that line you need to be spending atleast 60 a month. <br><br>it can t be cheap but primus has expanded out west so they must be making something on that bundle of phone, ld, and internet that they offer<br><br>im curious to see how quickly this gets resolved !! took primus months]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/965530"><b>s49</b></A> : Good ol' update:<br>Yesterday morning circa 9AM, speeds were maxed out. Didn't grab anything in the afternoon and evening to check if anything has changed.<br><br>Decided to do a test this afternoon around 3, maxed out until 3:30 and hit the 50kB/s cap and still going strong!<br><br>In the Kennedy/Steeles area btw.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/539077"><b>sbrook</b></A> : It might reduce their revenue, but it won't eliminate it, and you can be sure that Bell will have some rip off prices for rack and slam space for equipment!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/917504"><b>Quake110</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by oceanic815 :</small><br><br>On Tuesday I expect a post from Rocky on the situation.  If the traffic shaping is not stopped on that day then I will call up Teksavvy and cancel my account.  I might as well be with a cable ISP and get 16 Mb/sec versus a much slower DSL ISP.<br> </div>I'm sure Rocky will find a solution with Bell about throttling. Because if Bell doesn't budge, as Acanac said, the small ISPs could build some sort of consortium to deploy their own equipments, eliminating the need for Bell.<br><br>Not only it will threaten their revenue ($20 per DSL line),  it will also create a competition where the consortium will be able to decide their own price and compete with them in the matters of technology. Meaning Sympatico will be in the cross hair of the consortium.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/706116"><b>The Flash</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by oceanic815 :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  jfmezei <A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>If we were all docile quiet customers who accepted the throttling, Teksavvy would simply go meet with the Bell civil servant, be told to accept throttling and Teksavvy would come back and simply give us the schedule of when Bell intends to have this rolled out to all areas.<br><br>As customers, we must show zero tolerance for throttling NOW. <br> </div>   On Tuesday I expect a post from Rocky on the situation.  If the traffic shaping is not stopped on that day then I will call up Teksavvy and cancel my account.  I might as well be with a cable ISP and get 16 Mb/sec versus a much slower DSL ISP.<br> </div>yes go with a cable isp with unreal caps and more throttling.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  jfmezei <A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>If we were all docile quiet customers who accepted the throttling, Teksavvy would simply go meet with the Bell civil servant, be told to accept throttling and Teksavvy would come back and simply give us the schedule of when Bell intends to have this rolled out to all areas.<br><br>As customers, we must show zero tolerance for throttling NOW. <br> </div>   On Tuesday I expect a post from Rocky on the situation.  If the traffic shaping is not stopped on that day then I will call up Teksavvy and cancel my account.  I might as well be with a cable ISP and get 16 Mb/sec versus a much slower DSL ISP.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : Re: Waiting until we hear "the official word" from Bell.<br><br>Consider this: <br><br>If nobody had spoken out to show outrage at this practice, do you think Teksavvy would have taken notice of this issue and called a meeting with some Bell civil servant on Tuesday ?<br><br>We, as customers, need to make it very clear to our supplier (Teksavvy) that we do not tolerate such a practice. AS LOUDLY AS POSSIBLE.<br><br>1- This pushes Teksavvy to do more than just listen to Bell.<br><br>2- This gives amunition to Teksavvy, should Teksavvy decided to fight this in whatever way they choose.<br><br>If we were all docile quiet customers who accepted the throttling, Teksavvy would simply go meet with the Bell civil servant, be told to accept throttling and Teksavvy would come back and simply give us the schedule of when Bell intends to have this rolled out to all areas.<br><br>As customers, we must show zero tolerance for throttling NOW. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/660371"><b>Kujo__</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  slow joe <A HREF="/useremail/u/1521108"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I'm doing 4.2 to 4.3Mbs tonight downloading from usenet with only 3 connections. That's a record for me in the 2 1/2 months I've been with TS. That actually matches my speeds when I was with BS.<br>I'm thinking there has got to be some maintenance being done somewhere if non P2P is being throttled for some people.<br> </div>I can't get higher than 200 KB/s with non P2P downloads.  I was getting max just the other day.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/917504"><b>Quake110</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Acanac Inc <A HREF="/useremail/u/1443935"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>Building out a independent infrastructure for the DSL service  might not be a bad idea.   If the top ten largest independent ISP's contribute to some type consortium  we might be able to pull it off in the major cities.  It's not as expensive as some of you may think. The best way to look at this is  how much we pay to Bell right now.  Acanac and TekSavvy alone are  paying Bell more than $1000,000 dollars a month combined.  (just an estimate based on how many AGAS connections TekSavvy and Acanac both have )<br><br>Not only would this bring our own cost down in the longer term, but it would free us from future limitations that Bell might impose.  Lastly if for no other reason it would make Bell think twice if they had some real competition that they could not dictate the terms of use.<br><br>Best Regards,<br>Paul<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.acanac.ca" >www.acanac.ca</A><br> </div>If the ISPs could do that, that would be a very good news. Being at the mercy of Bell while they run Sympatico isn't a good thing as it's a conflict of interest. <br><br>They would rather want customers directed to Sympatico than to the other small ISPs. Hence the beginning (It's NOT official tho) of the throttling that will bring down the small ISPs to the same level as Sympatico.<br><br>That's the way I see it.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1443935"><b>Acanac Inc</b></A> : Building out a independent infrastructure for the DSL service  might not be a bad idea.   If the top ten largest independent ISP's contribute to some type consortium  we might be able to pull it off in the major cities.  It's not as expensive as some of you may think. The best way to look at this is  how much we pay to Bell right now.  Acanac and TekSavvy alone are  paying Bell more than $1000,000 dollars a month combined.  (just an estimate based on how many AGAS connections TekSavvy and Acanac both have )<br><br>Not only would this bring our own cost down in the longer term, but it would free us from future limitations that Bell might impose.  Lastly if for no other reason it would make Bell think twice if they had some real competition that they could not dictate the terms of use.<br><br>Best Regards,<br>Paul<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.acanac.ca" >www.acanac.ca</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : What they're doing, just isn't right Cliffy!<br><br>Bell is obviously trying to eliminate the competition<br>by throttling their services, as well. Not only are<br>they obviously bullying these other,small independent ISPs.<br>They also bullying customers of these other ISPs.<br><br>If Bell can continue to get away throttling customers<br>of other ISPs, they will eventually run these smaller<br>companies into the ground, leaving Canadians with no<br>other choice..either Bell or Rogers, take it or leave it!<br><br>B@stards! :mad:]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1535240"><b>GKC</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by erik1 :</small><br><br>b) Bell would probably prefer to lose the few high-bandwidth customers who do care about throttling.<br><br> </div><i>Actions speak louder than words.</i>  Indirectly, and in essence, this is the message that Bell has been trying to get across to their power-users.  Bell doesn't care if they loose a couple hundred customers to TekSavvy or other wholesalers.  Bell would rather rid themselves of high volume users, those who <i>abuse</i> the system (in Bell's opinion) and keep the customer's who care less about throttling, who are just the average internet user.  <br><br>It wouldn't surprise if representatives from Bell are reading this forum, sitting back and having a good laugh at our expensive.  But, there again, the worse cannot be assumed until the final word comes down from Rocky and Marc.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Just think about when a Canadian DMCA comes out, and eventually it will, it may screw every internet user<br>big time. Especially if it's a "made in the USA type DMCA".]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/833344"><b>Cliffy</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  BlueX <A HREF="/useremail/u/1153243"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I found the following on p2pnet :<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15361" >www.p2pnet.net/story/15361</A><br> </div>I posted that to digg.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://digg.com/tech_news/Canadian_DSL_ISP_throttling_P2P_for_other_ISP_s" >digg.com/tech_news/Canadian_DSL_&middot;&middot;&middot;er_ISP_s</A><br><br>It needs some diggs to get attention.<br><small>--<br>there's a fine line between a rut and a groove.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  BlueX <A HREF="/useremail/u/1153243"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I found the following on p2pnet :<br>"All DSL Wholesalers must at one point or another go through Bell equipment. So Bell is going to try to prevent another customer flight caused through their new bandwidth policies by FORCING the same throttle on the entire wholesale side, like it or not."<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15361" >www.p2pnet.net/story/15361</A><br> </div>But does that really make any business sense?<br><br>I don't think Bell cares about losing DSL customers to TekSavvy because of throttling.<br>a) Most customers haven't a clue about such things.<br>b) Bell would probably prefer to lose the few high-bandwidth customers who do care about throttling.<br><br>They may care more about losing customers because of pricing, but that's a whole other story.<br><br>DSL doesn't have the technical reasons that cable internet does for throttling (i.e., bottlenecking on upload bandwidth on the local shared cable segment). And TekSavvy pays for the bandwidth they actually use.<br><br>So perhaps someone can suggest a real business reason why Bell would do this deliberately?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/765277"><b>eots</b></A> : Complaints can be submitted to the Competition Bureau of Canada through this email address compbureau@cb-bc.gc.ca.<br><br>Bell's actions fall under "Abuse of dominant position".<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.competitionbureau.gc.ca/epic/site/cb-bc.nsf/en/h_00018e.html" >www.competitionbureau.gc.ca/epic&middot;&middot;&middot;18e.html</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/539077"><b>sbrook</b></A> : Filing a complaint to the CRTC isn't going to do a lot.  You need to file a complaint with the Federal Industry Minister who deal with the anticompetition laws.  This would probably be outside the CRTC mandate.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/765277"><b>eots</b></A> : If throttling Teksavvy customers turns out to be intentional instead of a major mistake then everyone should file a complaint with the CRTC and have them take a stand against Bell's anti competitive action.  Seems to me Bell is acting out because of customer loss to ISP's who don't throttle.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1517026"><b>Ank14</b></A> : This makes me so mad! I thought I was done dealing with Bells crap and here they go again!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1197604"><b>gord27</b></A> : interesting article.  although as long as teksavvy keeps offering the same service as bell for $15 cheaper per month i can't see ever going back to bell or no longer recommending teksavvy.<br><br>if rogers and bell are in cahoots then why aren't they implementing the same sort of throttling?  bell still has the competitive edge as far as only throttling for half the day.  though rogers has the speed edge so i guess that evens it out.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1153243"><b>BlueX</b></A> : I found the following on p2pnet :<br><br>"All DSL Wholesalers must at one point or another go through Bell equipment. So Bell is going to try to prevent another customer flight caused through their new bandwidth policies by FORCING the same throttle on the entire wholesale side, like it or not."<br><br>Here's the full article :<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15361" >www.p2pnet.net/story/15361</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1109373"><b>JunkieXL</b></A> : Time to buy rapidshare accounts, comrades. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1382274"><b>neko</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  JayMan <A HREF="/useremail/u/640660"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>You would almost think the world is going to end because you can't download from bittorrent.   I personally plan to stay with Teksavvy either way.<br> </div>As long as I get my 200Gb a month allowance, I don't care either.  I don't use BT much, so it doesn't really affect me.<br><br>If they start throttling FTP/IRC/Usenet, then I will be upset.  What do you think of the chances of that happening, JayMan?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1535240"><b>GKC</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  andyb <A HREF="/useremail/u/818722"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>It hasn't been a week and you all are crying like babies and making stupid accusations that have no merit.<br> </div>Words <i>fitly</i> spoken. :)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/818722"><b>andyb</b></A> : I dont often agree with Jayman but this time I do.This is corporate stuff not some little kid arguement in a playground where you can take your ball and go home.It takes time,money and if necesary The Dreaded Lawyers to get something resolved.It hasn't been a week and you all are crying like babies and making stupid accusations that have no merit.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <br><br>Then we may all be screwed.Rogers and Bell may have the power to limit our options, when it comes to choosing our<br>own better ISP. Mabe the lobbyists and big companies like Rogers and Bell can monopolize enough where they control<br>anything and everything internet. If this is the case, we're all in trouble. No more freedom on the internet.<br><br>It will/ or may get to the point where we may all have two choices for internet..Sympatico or Rogers. Sad to think they'd have to the power to run all the little guys out of town.  :(]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/640660"><b>JayMan</b></A> : I'm sure if Rocky wanted to he could put some huge ass long winded letter on the website that in the just reads "fcuk you bell" but with more words. But he is taking the higher road and waiting to find out what is going on.<br><br>For all of you who are ready for a battle and think one should have started Friday  CALM THE HELL DOWN AND STEP AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER.<br><br>You would almost think the world is going to end because you can't download from bittorrent.   I personally plan to stay with Teksavvy either way.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1000066"><b>mazhurg</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  jfmezei <A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Consider that the owners of our ISP have chosen to remain "silent" and not even willing to state that they  find Bell's actions unacceptable and state that they intend to try to convince Bell to remove any throttling. They will just meet with them to get an explanation.<br><br> </div> :uhh: Shouldn't they wait to have all the facts <b>before</b> stating so? Doing otherwise is just adding fuel to the fire (that in the end may not exist, be a mistake, of for any other numbers of reasons that only Bell knows to this point).]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1535240"><b>GKC</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  jfmezei <A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>What independant ISPs  *SHOULD* do is completely ignore Bell and get government and municipal help/funding to deploy fibre to the home and put Bell out of its misery once and for all. There are a few precedents for this in the USA already where the cable companies refused to upgrade their service and the municipality deployed fibre to homes. (ok, so I am dreaming here)<br><br>And this is exactly why Bell must remain regulated by the CRTC.<br> </div><i><b>Exactly!</i></b>  And it is not so much a dream.  It can be done.<br><br>If you read the article in yesterday's <i>Toronto Star</i>, Officials at both Bell and Rogers declined to comment before a final report is published whether the CRTC should police Canadian content on the internet (I know it may be off topic, but my point, when it comes to the CRTC, Bell detests the CRTC with a passion).  Bell needs to remain under the control of the CRTC where the sake of all Canadians are concerned.   <br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/349575" >www.thestar.com/Business/article/349575</A><br><br>As it is now, certain aspects of Bell are deregulated by the CRTC.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : >Now, imagine if Bell doesn't budge and forces throttling to >all ISPs, that would mean Teksavvy (and other small ISPs) >will have to invest heavily in its own infrastructure >throughout Ontario and Qu&eacute;bec. <br><br>Lets face it, it is not realistic for intependant ISPs, even if they get together as a cooperative, to setup DSLAMS to cover even the larges urban areas, let alone the whole Bell territory. And consider that DSL is a dead end technology to begin with, so such an investment would be a waste.<br><br>What independant ISPs  *SHOULD* do is completely ignore Bell and get government and municipal help/funding to deploy fibre to the home and put Bell out of its misery once and for all. There are a few precedents for this in the USA already where the cable companies refused to upgrade their service and the municipality deployed fibre to homes. (ok, so I am dreaming here)<br><br>My guess however is that the ISPs will take this lying down and not fight. Their survival depends on the all mighty Bell blessing them with permission to use Bell services and they are too affraid to criticise their god. And as long as Bell applies the throttling to everyone, no ISP gains/loses competitive edge since they will all be throttled.<br><br>When Bell doesn't like an ISP, high speed ethernet links suspiciously start to have more glitches.<br><br>Consider that the owners of our ISP have chosen to remain "silent" and not even willing to state that they  find Bell's actions unacceptable and state that they intend to try to convince Bell to remove any throttling. They will just meet with them to get an explanation.<br><br>The message I get here is that should Bell provide a convincing enough explanation, the ISP will readily understand and accept it and not wish to raise any hell to defend their own customer's needs.<br><br>This is the true definition of "monopoly". If Cogent were to start doing this, you can bet that ISPs would simply stop using Cogent and route everything through other transit providers. But because they have no choice but to deal with Bell, they don't have the will to fight and wil treat Bell with white gloves.<br><br>And this is exactly why Bell must remain regulated by the CRTC.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/640660"><b>JayMan</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by Dillerd :</small><br><br>This just pisses me right off! :mad:<br><br>Rogers is the absolute worst! You're given the choice<br>to choose between your Express(60GB) and Extreme(100GB)<br><br>When I lived in Cambridge last year, I was with Sympatico under the old rules. I could download and upload as much I liked, at a decent speed. Once Moving to Toronto and getting Rogers Express, it's almost a moot point to use<br>a private torrent tracker, as Rogers prevents you from <br>seeding it.<br><br>If people are being capped, they should be able to upload and download as much as their hearts desire, within their bandwith usage allowance.<br><br>I'm moving to Barrie soon, and am considering Teksavvy as an option. If they're turing out to be traffic "shapers" and "throttlers"(because of Bell),  just like Rogers, I'll definately have to put more independent ISP's into the mix. I'll then weigh my options from there.<br> </div>What you don't seem to understand is that your "independent" ISPs will have the same issue if they use Bell lines. YOu could change ISP's each week and still be throttled.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/917504"><b>Quake110</b></A> : Now, imagine if Bell doesn't budge and forces throttling to all ISPs, that would mean Teksavvy (and other small ISPs) will have to invest heavily in its own infrastructure throughout Ontario and Qu&eacute;bec. (Network equipments, field technicians...)<br><br>Will it have the necessary resources to do that? :(]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : >I'd at least like a little honestly from Bell, Teksavvy has ><br>>been, so far as I can tell, completely honest.<br><br>You have no relationship with Bell, Teksavvy does.<br><br>Teksavvy is the one who needs to ensure Bell delivers to Teksavvy the data transport that the CRTC has mandated Bell to provide to ISPs.<br><br>Now, if ISPs get their act together and fight this at the CRTC, then we, as citizens, can support those ISPs in their attempt to get the CRTC to stop its practice.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/910861"><b>Rand2k1</b></A> : I'd at least like a little honestly from Bell, Teksavvy has been, so far as I can tell, completely honest.<br><br>Don't sell me a line saying up to 6mb unlimited download then impose other random restrictions as you please.<br><br>Tell me exactly what I can and cannot do with my connection.  If your going to throttle certain traffic I want to know what it will be and to what speeds.  If your going to force closed port I want to know what ports they are.  If your going to impose bandwidth caps I want to know that too, 200gb isn't unlimited its 200gb.  Don't bury it the middle of thousands of lines of usage agreements either.  Make it obvious.<br><br>So don't sell me a 6mb unlimited connection.  Sell me a 6mb connection with bittorrent traffic throttled, port 25 closed and a 200gb/month cap.<br><br>At least then I know what I'm getting.<br><br>So bell, In short stop lying, stop omitting, stop being one of the absolute worst companies I have EVER had to deal with.  You're even screwing with me when I'm not even a customer.  Just stop.<br><br>Also no changes since yesterday so either they don't do weekends or Oakville isn't on the priority list of places to screw with.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : A lot of people dont realize that rogers has dsl customers too. Now rogers is probably throttling those customers anyways but with rogers and bell possibly throttling i wonder if "jim-bob" out in rogers dsl land is unable to do anything at all right now.<br><br>Hey rocky i wouldnt say there is "0" you can do.  you could start a online petition, something you could take into that meeting. I think a lot of us have a vested interest in teksavvy remaining as good competition for rogers and bell.  No one wants to see 3rd party dsl providers get bent over.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : >I would like to report the throttling problem seems to be <br>>surfacing in Richmond Hill(Ont.) area.<br><br>Since it is Easter...<br><br>THE PROBLEM IS SPREADING LIKE RABBITS !<br><br>(ok in a Star Trek world, we'd be talking about the trouble with tribbles, and in BELL land, it is the problem with Throttle.)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1526081"><b>InvalidError</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  CableGuy2 <A HREF="/useremail/u/557029"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Is it possible every independent could leave a loop hole for Bell in the contract to let Bell control their data flow in anyway they want?<br> </div>Given the legal ramifications Bell could be facing if it was found to be deliberately throttling wholesale service without having explicit or implicit right or other sort of reserve to do so, also considering Bell's legal expertise with writing contracts and defending itself from the government and its agencies, I think it is a safe to say Bell must indeed have such a loophole in their residential wholesale contract that will at least protect them from both legal and financial harm should hell be raised over this "experiment".]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1076261"><b>tktc</b></A> : I would like to report the throttling problem seems to be surfacing in Richmond Hill(Ont.) area. <br>I have switched from Bell to Teksavvy since October last year and my BT's total download rate has been solid at ~500KB/s until couple days ago. Currently, the peak download rate can hardly reach ~200KB/s and the average speed is hovering around ~130KB/s.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Excellent Point.  When will the smaller ISPs stand up and doing whats right for the consumer.  What we are asking for isn't much.  If you want to cap us, fine, if you want to charge 20 bucks more for unlimited BW, fine.  Im ok with charging more for the heavy end users.  But, to tell me its unlimited, then cap a specific type of useage, now thats not only bad buisness but should be considered illegal in my opinion.  If I buy gasoline from ESSO, do they have the right to tell me to only drive on city streets between certain hours?  Ofcourse not.  I don't understand how the ISP, Rogers or Bell is able to get away with throttling.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/181043"><b>TilhasBB</b></A> : lol....why am i not surprised....lol<br>If I can't have it, no one can !!... dont you just love that mentality...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/557029"><b>CableGuy2</b></A> : I hope this isn't the beginning of the Canadian version of the Comcast saga<br>&raquo;<A HREF="/shownews/Comcast-Tells-FCC-To-Butt-Out-92817">Comcast Tells FCC To Butt Out</A><br>Wonder what the independent ISP's contracts with Bell say about load balancing/throttling. Is it possible every independent could leave a loop hole for Bell in the contract to let Bell control their data flow in anyway they want?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1529878"><b>Sears</b></A> : Maybe someone with some legal know how can answer this, but the only way to throttle on a per app basis is to inspect the packets going through.<br><br>Is it even legal for Bell to inspect packets that don't even belong to one of their customers?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : >I'm on premium with no throttle. My friend down the street is <br>>on unlimited with throttle<br><br>It would be very interesting to know if you are both connected to the same BAS.<br><br>I guess it is impossible to know if both of you are on the same DSLAM (he could be on the CO DSLAM while you are on a remote or vice versa).<br><br>If one could for sure get confirmation that both of you are on the same Bell infrastruture, then it would lead one to believe that Bell is throttling based on the authorisation realm, and that would be terrible.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : On the bright side...<br><br>My bt application has become a lovely graphic clock!<br><br>Looks like Bell is running slightly late tonight - didn't blast up to 54k until 1:01 AM!   How disappointing!<br><br>;P]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : >How do you figure Tek will lose users very quickly? Hate to <br>>tell ya, if Bell will do it to Tek, they will do it to every <br>>DSL ISP<br><br>Say ISP-A decides to remain silent and be nice to Bell, resigned to Bell's power to throttle their customers, while ISB-B makes noise, informs their customers, goes the CRTC and fights hard to get the throttling removed.<br><br>Shouldn't ISP-B get the business ?<br><br>Nobody is asking a current ISP to go on a CRTC Jihad like Ralph and stop paying their Bell bills. <br><br>If All ISPs spoke with one voice, then Bell couldn't single out individual ISPs and ensure they have bad service from Bell.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1184750"><b>iconfat</b></A> : Is this only affecting unlimited users?  I'm on premium with no throttle.  My friend down the street is on unlimited with throttle.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/978831"><b>The Wave</b></A> : ROCKY, the new Chuck Norris?<br><br>Bell sure needs a roundhouse kick in the arse.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : >I'm personally going to take the silent route <br><br>Better make it "silent but deadly".]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/593899"><b>andrewhaji</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  R0CKY <A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>We plan to, but to we have to be careful on how we approach what we write on this one as it may hinder efforts of getting things fixed.<br> </div>Thanks, Rocky.  I know there are a lot of people who blow situations like this out of proportion, but as someone who is experiencing this myself, I'm just glad that you're on top of it and taking it straight to Bell.  I wish you the best of luck with the meeting on Tuesday.  We're counting on you!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><b>R0CKY</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Quake110 <A HREF="/useremail/u/917504"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I'm with Velcom (as this problem appears to affect all the ISPs) and fortunately, I'm not throttled.<br> </div>Fairly certain this is based on geography, not on specific ISP targeting...<br><small>--<br>TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><b>R0CKY</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Quake110 <A HREF="/useremail/u/917504"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Rocky, you should post a sticky or a note on Teksavvy's website informing them of the situation. <br><br>That will clear the situation informing them it's NOT Teksavvy's doing. The reputation can go down the drain if people aren't properly informed :(<br> </div>We plan to, but to we have to be careful on how we approach what we write on this one as it may hinder efforts of getting things fixed.<br><br>The card we're currently working on is one of discussion for now and until we've had that, to go in any direction might make things worse.  Not too often I like saying this, but this one time, I'm personally going to take the silent route (at least until we know what officially is going on).<br><br>Rocky<br><small>--<br>TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/917504"><b>Quake110</b></A> : I'm with Velcom (as this problem appears to affect all the ISPs) and fortunately, I'm not throttled.<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20210371?c=1289587&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDIxOTUyMi54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="4748 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=48 SRC="/r0/download/1289587.thumb600~4286cefe66c72fe256d957ce40d6248e/bittorrent.PNG/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A><br>Not throttled</TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/917504"><b>Quake110</b></A> : Rocky, you should post a sticky or a note on Teksavvy's website informing them of the situation. <br><br>That will clear the situation informing them it's NOT Teksavvy's doing. The reputation can go down the drain if people aren't properly informed :(]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : why not reply to this post (below) and tell Bell what you think with three simple words, "up yours bell". <br><br>Nothing lost. if moderated/deleted, so what someone will get the message.<br><br>Get the message across that this will affect them as you are future/current clients, and the voice to have others switch from them. <br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r20208211-dsl-reports-blog-material-change">dsl reports blog material change.</A><br><br>give you a place to vent with what they are doing with only 3 words.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1442410"><b>sMURF</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  R0CKY <A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>We've got a meeting scheduled on Tuesday with Bell to discuss things, so hopefully it goes somewhere...<br></div>I hope so, because if this throttling is allowed to continue, I fear Bell will start imposing some sort of bandwidth cap on us too, and then we're all fucked. There would be no where else for us to go without being raped.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1174216"><b>dbsanfte</b></A> : <textarea name="code" class="text" cols=50 rows=10>segment .data&#012;msg db 'We don't throttle...but Bell throttles for us.',0xA&#012;len equ $-msg&#012; &#012;segment .text&#012;global _start&#012; &#012;start:&#012;mov eax, 4&#012;mov ebx, 1&#012;mov ecx, msg&#012;mov edx, len&#012;int 0x80&#012; &#012;end:&#012;mov eax, 1&#012;mov ebx, 0&#012;int 0x80&#012;</textarea><!--end code block-->]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><b>R0CKY</b></A> : While this is going on, schedule the downloads around the throttled time frames I suppose...  :huh:<br><br>andrewhaji showed a 4:30PM to 2:00Am throttle session... Download during the day and early in the AM until we get to the bottom of this.<br><small>--<br>TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1194535"><b>NeTwOrKDawg</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by Etobicoke User :</small><br><br>DL throttled at 25kb regardless of torrent or seeds, UL not throttled at all.  IF this is Bell doing it, Tek is going to losing lots of users very quickly.  If I was Rocky, I'd post an answer to all his Tek users in this forum. I went to Tek because of this forum, and Id hate to leave but if I am throttled here, then I might as well get better speeds at Rogers.<br> </div>How do you figure Tek will lose users very quickly? Hate to tell ya, if Bell will do it to Tek, they will do it to every DSL ISP out there. Typical Bell BS.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><b>R0CKY</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by Etobicoke User :</small><br><br>DL throttled at 25kb regardless of torrent or seeds, UL not throttled at all.  IF this is Bell doing it, Tek is going to losing lots of users very quickly.  If I was Rocky, I'd post an answer to all his Tek users in this forum. I went to Tek because of this forum, and Id hate to leave but if I am throttled here, then I might as well get better speeds at Rogers.<br> </div>I'm not currently posting in this thread as I'd just be repeating myself at this point...  We've got a meeting scheduled on Tuesday with Bell to discuss things, so hopefully it goes somewhere...<br><br>Until then, it sucks, but there's "0" I/we can do.<br><small>--<br>TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/273051"><b>HiVolt</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by Dillerd :</small><br><br>If people are being capped, they should be able to upload and download as much as their hearts desire, within their bandwith usage allowance.</div>That's been the argument for a while now... Either cap and don't throttle, or throttle and don't cap.<br><small>--<br>GO LEAFS GO!<br>Don't question the authoritaaaa!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : This just pisses me right off! :mad:<br><br>Rogers is the absolute worst! You're given the choice<br>to choose between your Express(60GB) and Extreme(100GB)<br><br>When I lived in Cambridge last year, I was with Sympatico under the old rules. I could download and upload as much I liked, at a decent speed. Once Moving to Toronto and getting Rogers Express, it's almost a moot point to use<br>a private torrent tracker, as Rogers prevents you from <br>seeding it.<br><br>If people are being capped, they should be able to upload and download as much as their hearts desire, within their bandwith usage allowance.<br><br>I'm moving to Barrie soon, and am considering Teksavvy as an option. If they're turing out to be traffic "shapers" and "throttlers"(because of Bell),  just like Rogers, I'll definately have to put more independent ISP's into the mix. I'll then weigh my options from there.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1521108"><b>slow joe</b></A> : I'm doing 4.2 to 4.3Mbs tonight downloading from usenet with only 3 connections. That's a record for me in the 2 1/2 months I've been with TS. That actually matches my speeds when I was with BS.<br>I'm thinking there has got to be some maintenance being done somewhere if non P2P is being throttled for some people.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : DL throttled at 25kb regardless of torrent or seeds, UL not throttled at all.  IF this is Bell doing it, Tek is going to losing lots of users very quickly.  If I was Rocky, I'd post an answer to all his Tek users in this forum. I went to Tek because of this forum, and Id hate to leave but if I am throttled here, then I might as well get better speeds at Rogers.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1431626"><b>otheroptions3</b></A> : while you all get your diapers in a knot bell pulled this on primus last semptember on the nexxia lines..its only getting fixed up as of this next or last few weeks depending on where your located in ontario or quebec. <br><br>check the forums this sort of topics existed<br><br>this if past history repeats itself its gonna take teksavvy a while to get nexxia to upgrade things...then i know nothing and experience means nothing...rocky and the employees know the situation...rocky adn the employees do the rest of you speculate.<br><br>once again look back on canadian broadband for bell slowing down primus]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/593899"><b>andrewhaji</b></A> : Here's another graph to demonstrate the effects of the throttling...<br><br>I've been downloading over BT since yesterday afternoon, and as you can see on the chart I was throttled up until exactly 2 AM.  At 2 AM my speeds returned to normal.  This lasted all the way until exactly 4:30 PM (the dip in speed from 11 AM to 3 PM was done by me).  At exactly 4:30 PM I got throttled again, to about 60 KB/s.  Then, at 6 PM I got throttled down to about 30 KB/s.<br><br>So, in summary.  I'm seeing throttling from 4:30 PM until 2 AM.  As I mentioned before, I live in Toronto, near the Ossington subway station.  My connection in London is not experiencing this problem, though my brother reports that upload speeds have been VERY erratic over the past few days.  I suppose it could be related.<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20209809?c=1289560&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDIxOTUyMi54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="154743 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=484 SRC="/r0/download/1289560.thumb600~5d12f59457dfedadd0176a717a2954b3/Throttling 2.png/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1532600"><b>TheS0urce</b></A> : Some people use rapidshare or other file sharing service are they going to block those too?  They won't be able to keep up for long people will find a way.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : The more important aspect here: Currently, P2P is the protocol that eats up bandwidth, so Bell is focusing on castrating it.<br><br>If this becomes permanent, then people will switch to another technology. People have mentioned returning to IRC. Or perhaps they will find a way via HTTP to do similar transfers. When whatever new software starts to eat up bandwidth, then Bell and others will focus on crippling it too.<br><br>Bell is waging war against new internet uses that consume bandwdith. They will cripple any new stuff that consumes bandwidth or treathens one of its businesses. If it can do this to competitive ISPs without even telling them, this is BAD.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1532600"><b>TheS0urce</b></A> : That's pretty ignorant thing to say dude.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 21:00:58 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1353012"><b>pwnedrice</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  slow joe <A HREF="/useremail/u/1521108"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Or maybe the system was overloaded and now with the throttling everyone can enjoy maximum speed.<br> </div>they're being carebears here, even when i dont use torrents, my direct downloads still top at 500kb/s. So throttle or no throttle, i would still get the same speeds anyways! ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : >Bell has no say whatsoever in how any other ISP handles their <br>>business. On their lines or not.<br><br>I beg to differ. Who was it that "convinced" Teksavvy to remove the "login only" offerings ? <br><br>And now, Bell is apparently imposing throttling on all ISPs.<br><br>Bell *shoudln't* have a say in how ISPs run their business, gut it most certaintly uses it monopoly power to impose its will on ISPs.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:46:07 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1184750"><b>iconfat</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  The Wave <A HREF="/useremail/u/978831"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Throttling is in effect here in midtown toronto as well. turning encryption on doesn't change a thing. <br><br>This is bad and i think goes to the core of one of the main competitve advantages that the 3rd party resellers have. Goes to show why monopolies are always a bad idea.<br><br>Is this the beginning of the end of the 3rd party dsl provider business?<br> </div>No.<br>Bell has no say whatsoever in how any other ISP handles their business.  On their lines or not.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/982977"><b>AMailer</b></A> : Can any teksavvy *not bell woops* official please make a new topic when any news comes out about this? Its kind of hard to sort though 7 pages.<br><small>--<br>www.AaronDM.com<br>Web developer & designer  :D</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1532600"><b>TheS0urce</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by mickc  :</small><br><br>I won't stay with dsl if this issue isn't resolved, might as well have Rogers and bundle it with my cable tv, lesser of two evils I suppose.<br><br> <br> </div>Rogers is doing it too and people can't figure out what the bandwidth cap is, they claim bandwidth caps but if you go over no no charge.  That just doesn't make sense to me.  How can you have bandwidth caps if they don't charge for over usage?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/660371"><b>Kujo__</b></A> : I'm getting throttled (Scarborough).  Damn, this sucks.  I've noticed speeds overall are slower today (getting like 100-200 KB/s max non P2P DL's at the moment).<br><br>We need to raise hell over this.  I just doesn't seem legal that Bell can do this.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : This is just pathetic for Bell to do this - what gives them the right? Ironically, CBC just announced they're offering free episodes via Torrent, in HD quality even. And this throttling also affects my Skype performance. <br><br>I won't stay with dsl if this issue isn't resolved, might as well have Rogers and bundle it with my cable tv, lesser of two evils I suppose.<br><br> ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Maybe we should try to drag the CBC in on this.  It's awfully timely to their recent announcement.  <br><br> <blockquote><small>said by Michael Geist (18 March, 08 :</small><hr>Sources indicate that the CBC is set to become the first major North American broadcaster to freely release one of its programs without DRM using BitTorrent.  This Sunday, CBC will air Canada Next Great Prime Minister.  The following day, it plans to freely release a high-resolution version via peer-to-peer networks without any DRM restrictions.  This development is important not only because it shows that Canada's public broadcaster is increasingly willing to experiment with alternative forms of distribution, but also because it may help crystallize the net neutrality issue in Canada. <br><br>The CBC's mandate, as provided in the Broadcasting Act, requires it to make its programming "available throughout Canada by the most appropriate and efficient means."  Using BitTorrent allows the CBC to meet its statutory mandate, yet with ISPs such as Rogers engaging in non-transparent traffic shaping, millions of Canadians may be unable to fully access programming funded by tax dollars.  If the CBC experiment is successful, look for more broadcasters to do the same and for the CRTC to face mounting pressure to address net neutrality concerns.<hr></blockquote><br><br>CBC NGPM bittorent page: &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.cbc.ca/nextprimeminister/blog/2008/03/canadas_next_great_prime_minis.html" >www.cbc.ca/nextprimeminister/blo&middot;&middot;&middot;nis.html</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/978831"><b>The Wave</b></A> : Throttling is in effect here in midtown toronto as well. turning encryption on doesn't change a thing. <br><br>This is bad and i think goes to the core of one of the main competitve advantages that the 3rd party resellers have. Goes to show why monopolies are always a bad idea.<br><br>Is this the beginning of the end of the 3rd party dsl provider business?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  jfmezei <A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>In hindsight, there have been many reports of leaving-Sympatico customers being told by the Bell script readers that all ISPs would be throttled/are being throttled etc etc. These reports were dismissed as silly.<br> </div>conspiracy theory for sure. More like racketeering.<br><br>Anyone have a few links to paste where people were told by Bell that all ISP's (or whomever) would be throttled?<br><br>I plan on submitting some stuff to a few news places.<br><br>ty.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : >someone complains about throttle, teksavvy doesn't. After a <br>>few days, others start complaining too. teksavvy get <br>>suspicious and tries to find out what happens. rocky starts <br>>talking with bell and then he replies.<br><br>[conspiracy theory]<br><br>In hindsight, there have been many reports of leaving-Sympatico customers being told by the Bell script readers that all ISPs would be throttled/are being throttled etc etc. These reports were dismissed as silly.<br><br>It would appear to me that Bell has been planning this move for some time and even the sales critters/retention department had been told that this would be coming.<br><br>I would suspect that 3rd party ISPs have suspected for some time Bell was planning this. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/539077"><b>sbrook</b></A> : As I understand it, no, it's not Sandvine and it's not Cisco pcube service engines.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/833344"><b>Cliffy</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  TheS0urce <A HREF="/useremail/u/1532600"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Here's something interesting reading I don't know if Bell is using this a sa throttling techique but it could be. <br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://forum.bittorrent.org/viewtopic.php?id=6" >forum.bittorrent.org/viewtopic.php?id=6</A><br> </div>..at least it is a Canadian company  :huh:<br><small>--<br>there's a fine line between a rut and a groove.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1532600"><b>TheS0urce</b></A> : Here's something interesting reading I don't know if Bell is using this a sa throttling techique but it could be. <br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://forum.bittorrent.org/viewtopic.php?id=6" >forum.bittorrent.org/viewtopic.php?id=6</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/539077"><b>sbrook</b></A> : Very good point.  There's nothing worse than reading 3 letters the same let along 3000!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/340409"><b>funchords</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  TheS0urce <A HREF="/useremail/u/1532600"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Here you go: Minister of Industry<br>The Honourable Jim Prentice<br><br>Constituency: Calgary Centre&acirc;&#128;&#147;North (Alberta)<br>E-mail: Minister.Industry@ic.gc.ca<br><br>We need someone to make a nice letter we all can email to Jim Preteice.  I am sure if 50 000 plus internet users complain to email him he will notice.<br> </div>From my FCC (USA) v. Comcast experience, such letters are never read.  The only ones that get read are the ones that are not form letters.  It doesn't have to be long or very formal, but it does have to be unique.  <br><br>Form or no, they will all get counted.  So a form letter is better than nothing.  But a two-line letter from an individual is better than a 5-paragraph form letter from a gang.<br><small>--<br>Robb Topolski -= <A HREF="http://funchords.com/">funchords.com</a> =- Hillsboro, Oregon<br><i><b>"We don't throttle any traffic,"<A HREF="/shownews/86816"></b> -Charlie Douglas, Comcast spokesman,</a> on <A HREF="/forum/r18323368-">this</a> report.</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/929913"><b>Omr</b></A> : The fact that we even pay Bell roughly $20 a month just to use the wires is sufficient reason not to even throttle ... we pay our dues, TSI manages to deliver the data and all was good until one party got all too greedy. A little company named TSI can run there affairs, a conglomerate like Bell mis-manages every day is the world twisted upside down?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1484077"><b>TheMG</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  slow joe <A HREF="/useremail/u/1521108"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Or maybe the system was overloaded and now with the throttling everyone can enjoy maximum speed.<br> </div>Everyone? I'd rephrase that to "everyone who doesn't use P2P".]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1535240"><b>GKC</b></A> : It's unfortunate that 3rd party DSL providers have to rely on Bell for the use of their cooper wires.  That said, and because of this, Bell will dominate every 3rd party DSL provider and have the say as to what will and will not be.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1532184"><b>Alan123</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  sMURF <A HREF="/useremail/u/1442410"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>It's clear Bell hates BT, and it seems as if those money hungry assholes will do anything to stop it, including throttling wholesale ISP customers.<br><br>Bell needs to stop this shit immediately. What gives them the right to slow our BT traffic? If you're foolish enough to be a Sympatico customer, you deserve to get raped by Bell, but others don't.<br> </div>Well said]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1521108"><b>slow joe</b></A> : I do use Usenet Server but I signed up with Usenet not with Teksavvy.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/640660"><b>JayMan</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  slow joe <A HREF="/useremail/u/1521108"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I'm not complaining of slow speeds for sure. I don't use torrents or P2P.<br>I've noticed my erratic speeds since signing up with TS have stopped the last couple of days. My usenet downloads max out with 3 connections instead of the usual 6 to 10 i've been using.<br>I'm thinking there is some balancing going on for my speeds to increase and connection to stabalize. Maybe even some work being done by Bell.<br>Or maybe the system was overloaded and now with the throttling everyone can enjoy maximum speed.<br> </div>Do you use teksavvys usenet servers?  If so you are limited to 3 connection.s]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1521108"><b>slow joe</b></A> : I'm not complaining of slow speeds for sure. I don't use torrents or P2P.<br>I've noticed my erratic speeds since signing up with TS have stopped the last couple of days. My usenet downloads max out with 3 connections instead of the usual 6 to 10 i've been using.<br>I'm thinking there is some balancing going on for my speeds to increase and connection to stabalize. Maybe even some work being done by Bell.<br>Or maybe the system was overloaded and now with the throttling everyone can enjoy maximum speed.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1532600"><b>TheS0urce</b></A> : From what I heard there were Bell employees laid off in the past, and that management is prety mean, he threatened to lay off more Bell employees, so Bell workers can't be in a great mood.  I knew a Pepsi delivery driver used to work for Bell he told me he couldn't take it anymore so he quit and work for Pepsi instead.  Mind you he made more working for Bell but the stress was too much for him.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1307075"><b>a1_Andy</b></A> : Think this might be due to the looming Bell strike? Bell would not stop selling new connections just because the guys that install the DSL might go on strike. Maybe Bell is just preparing for whats coming. Without the Bell Tech's Bell can't do the upgrades to compensate for their sales volume?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1532600"><b>TheS0urce</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  sbrook <A HREF="/useremail/u/539077"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>If you want to complain, please complain to the Federal Industry Minister since this looks like an anti-competitive move on Bell's part and they are the ministry that looks at competition in Canada.<br> </div>Here you go: Minister of Industry<br>The Honourable Jim Prentice<br><br>Constituency: Calgary Centre&acirc;&#128;&#147;North (Alberta)<br>E-mail: Minister.Industry@ic.gc.ca<br><br>We need someone to make a nice letter we all can email to Jim Preteice.  I am sure if 50 000 plus internet users complain to email him he will notice.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1442410"><b>sMURF</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  JayMan <A HREF="/useremail/u/640660"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>They have yet to be told if it throttling or some other issue.  Maybe Bell is having issues with overloads and they are taking this measure until the problem can be corrected.<br> </div>It's BitTorrent throttling, and perhaps other P2P services as well. If there was an overloading issue, why not slow everything down to 80% or so? Why target just BT? And why cripple it so much?<br><br>It's clear Bell hates BT, and it seems as if those money hungry assholes will do anything to stop it, including throttling wholesale ISP customers.<br><br>Bell needs to stop this shit immediately. What gives them the right to slow our BT traffic? If you're foolish enough to be a Sympatico customer, you deserve to get raped by Bell, but others don't.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:16:16 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/248514"><b>mlerner</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  JayMan <A HREF="/useremail/u/640660"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>It's also too eary to be demanding credits or any kind of timelime. <br><br>They have yet to be told if it throttling or some other issue.  Maybe Bell is having issues with overloads and they are taking this measure until the problem can be corrected.<br> </div>Again, it was already mentioned NO ONE is complaining of slow speeds in general. Not to say that this forum is that big but we would see some reports by now. The throttling doesn't seem to have caused any change except that they're slowing BT traffic even below what Rogers is capping in most cases.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/640660"><b>JayMan</b></A> : It's also too eary to be demanding credits or any kind of timelime. <br><br>They have yet to be told if it throttling or some other issue.  Maybe Bell is having issues with overloads and they are taking this measure until the problem can be corrected.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/539077"><b>sbrook</b></A> : Considering this throttling happened all of a sudden one night, and started in limited areas and over the weekend seems to have spread. Rumour has it that it will spread to all areas that Bell has DPI installed.<br><br>All 3rd party ISPs are being hit if they backhaul over Bell's networks.  Only ISPs who have their own DSLAMs, radius servers and private backhauls WITHIN the CO you're attached to will not suffer throttling.  I remember that one 3rd party had their own gear in some COs ... but not all since that's a very expensive proposition.  Their customers, on those COs will not be hit.<br><br>At this early stage in the game to go blaming TS or any other 3rd party is premature.  The blame belongs fully on Bell's doorstep since nobody expected the Spanish Inquisition.<br><br>If you want to complain, please complain to the Federal Industry Minister since this looks like an anti-competitive move on Bell's part and they are the ministry that looks at competition in Canada.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1341309"><b>mac dude</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by safe lizard :</small><br><br>...<br>Cheers & have a good Easter weekend. :)<br> </div>Very brave for an anonymous poster.<br><small>--<br>I am one hit song away from a million dollars.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1533785"><b>jessy</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by safe lizard :</small><br><br>If Teksavvy knew before the users, rocky stated they knew for a couple of days &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r20201656-Re-Teksavvys-throttling-now-Just-a-vent-nothing-is-needed">Re: Teksavvy's  throttling now?  Just a vent, nothing is needed.</A>, Why wasn't anything said as people were complaining for days? What else is not being told? Why come clean ONLY after the users confirmed what was happening? Why stay quiet for 2 days? So by Teksavvys own admission they chose not to say anything for 2 days and waited for the long weekend. Why did they let the users have to do the leg work to determine the areas affected, when they knew there was a throttle? Did Teksavvy just say, "ok it is what it is, don't tell us what areas are affected"? So this part of it all seems pretty fishy to me.<br> </div>time:<br>someone complains about throttle, teksavvy doesn't. After a few days, others start complaining too. teksavvy get suspicious and tries to find out what happens. rocky starts talking with bell and then he replies.<br><br>==> teksavvy didn't know at the beginning, and only has parts of the information as of now. They don't know which areas specifically are affected by this trouble.<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by safe lizard :</small><br><br>Why is Teksavvy the only wholesaler vocal on the issue?<br> </div>I don't think teksavvy is the only ISP affected. you should read the posts better, including internal links given.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1484077"><b>TheMG</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by dillerd :</small><br><br>How bad is this supposed throttling right now? <br><br>Not as bad as Rogers, is it?<br><br>Where I am in west TO, Rogers almost totally limits torrent uploading. After about three unsuccessful attempts<br>to try Utorrent. I found my upload speed to be no better<br>than 0.5kbs. :o<br> </div>Western users (Telus land) are not affected. This affects people on Bell lines only.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : I know if I was a customer I would want answers to these questions. Some questions may seem rough, but don't take them that way. I'm just shooting it straight.<br><br>I would want to know if I will get a credit since it&#146;s been admitted that service can't be provided as sold. Why should others have privileged access and others not for the same service and same cost? This isn't right or fair at all.<br><br>Also, those in the affected areas and who have a business account seem not to be affected. Should all these affected users be upgraded to business class so they can have the same service everyone else who is not affected is getting? It&#146;s not right or fair. Its turned into the "have and the have-nots", those who can afford not to be throttled and those who can.<br><br>If this p2p throttle is in effect for only certain areas, shouldn't all the areas be disclosed? Bell activated the throttle only for certain areas so they sure as hell know and have a list of the affected areas. Why doesn't the provider? If the provider does get the list or does know will they disclose the areas affected by the p2p throttle? <br><br>If Teksavvy knew before the users, rocky stated they knew for a couple of days &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r20201656-Re-Teksavvys-throttling-now-Just-a-vent-nothing-is-needed">Re: Teksavvy's  throttling now?  Just a vent, nothing is needed.</A>, Why wasn't anything said as people were complaining for days? What else is not being told? Why come clean ONLY after the users confirmed what was happening? Why stay quiet for 2 days? So by Teksavvys own admission they chose not to say anything for 2 days and waited for the long weekend. Why did they let the users have to do the leg work to determine the areas affected, when they knew there was a throttle? Did Teksavvy just say, "ok it is what it is, don't tell us what areas are affected"? So this part of it all seems pretty fishy to me.<br><br>How long will the people who are paying full price, as everyone else, be affected by the substandard service? There must be an ETA given. Or an ETA of how long these affected people will receive monetary credit for disrupted service.<br><br>I recall reading when sympatico throttled they stated it will occur "as required and when required". What assurances do the users have that they won't be subject to such terms if they decide to push those terms on to Teksavvy? "As required, when required" be afraid of those words. It appears "as required and when required" is in effect even if Teksavvy doesn't agree to it.<br><br>Are there any Canadian ISPs or wholesalers/resellers left that offer unthrottled internet?<br><br>Why is Teksavvy the only wholesaler vocal on the issue? What happened to all the other wholesalers? Are they telling their customers their computers are the issue? Or maybe the other wholesalers have no throttle for their customers? All I see are Teksavvy users being throttled. The others are not saying a word, neither the other ISP's.<br><br>I know if I was the customer paying for this, I would ask and expect a reply to these simple questions. You guys need regulations over there.<br><br>Before the fan boys start flaming and trolling, these are just honest questions and like I said before, I'm just shooting it straight. Like it or leave it.<br><br>Cheers & have a good Easter weekend. :)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1145919"><b>Candoo3</b></A> : This sort of seems the same as what went down with Cogeco for many users, aside from the cap thing back in September. Depending on the area, the speeds were horrible at certain times of the day. For many including myself, speeds would drop from say 8000 to 3000 (or worse) as soon as 6:00pm rolled around. At maybe midnight, bang, back to 8000. I watched and tested it for months, and you could set your watch by it. Cog denied any doing on their part, or that there was any problem. This wasn't just using BT but with the connection as a whole. Given the consistant pattern, it wasn't hard to see that they were implimenting "load balancing" to offset their need to upgrade. It also seemed that it was done on a MAC basis.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1487772"><b>screw_jack</b></A> : Just a thought: Is the throttling spreading to more and more people? Or is it more and more people have found out about the throttling and decide to join our 13-page thread? :huh:]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1532600"><b>TheS0urce</b></A> : Hey wrong section of forums dude :P]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/771619"><b>yabos</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Angelo_ <A HREF="/useremail/u/646748"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>[code]<br>#include <br>#include <br> <br>void main(){<br> <br>char issue="";<br> <br>printf("Do you have an issue?");<br>scanf("%c", &issue);<br> <br>switch(issue)<br>{<br>     yes:<br>       printf("Please clarify your issue\n");<br>       break;<br> <br>     no:<br>       printf("Glad your happy with your service!\n");<br>       break;<br> <br>     default:<br>       printf("You didn't type in yes or no!\n");<br>       break;<br> <br>}<br> <br>{<br>     exit(1);<br>}<br>[/code]<br> </div>buffer overflow of issue, you should check your input length!!!! :D<br>try fgets]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : i see no throttling since i switched to teksavvy.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1197604"><b>gord27</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  blizzak <A HREF="/useremail/u/1006520"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Not exactly true that I haven't seen throttling, but neither of us know since I have had encryption enabled this whole time (and I don't really care to disable it...).  I have legacy connections enabled too.<br> </div>hmm, true enough.  forgot about that.  try turning it off tonight to see if you're affected as well.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1006520"><b>blizzak</b></A> : Not exactly true that I haven't seen throttling, but neither of us know since I have had encryption enabled this whole time (and I don't really care to disable it...).  I have legacy connections enabled too.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1197604"><b>gord27</b></A> : use the latest utorrent alpha to get around rogers throttling.  make sure encryption is forced and legacy connections disabled.  just watch out cause that monthly cap comes up real fast at rogers speeds.<br><br>just thought i'd add to the discussion.  a friend of mine who lives about a 5 minute walk from me used to be connected to the same co.  he got moved to a remote a month ago and has yet to see any throttling.  (sadly due to wire routing i can't get on that remote...)<br><br>have any "light" users been experiencing throttling?  as in, anyone who does 30gb or less per month?  i'm definitely wondering whether this throttling is affecting specific accounts of those who use the most bandwidth.  that would explain why some of us are throttled and some not.  i push about 200gb per month.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : How bad is this supposed throttling right now? <br><br>Not as bad as Rogers, is it?<br><br>Where I am in west TO, Rogers almost totally limits torrent uploading. After about three unsuccessful attempts<br>to try Utorrent. I found my upload speed to be no better<br>than 0.5kbs. :o]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/461621"><b>Gokuu</b></A> : Not quite what you are asking, but I'm in Scarborough and just recently ditched Sympatico - modem is finally gone and billing credits appear to be resolved.  My DSLAM survived a potential pulling and I've been using my TSI login credentials since early Feb 2008.  When I was on Sympatico I was being throttled to 30KB/sec, but on TSI, I have *yet* to see throttling.  Who knows how long this will last.  ;)<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by to add :</small><br><br>Anyone have a login only account with sympatico, in one of the area's not hit with the wholesale throttle?<br><br>Would be interesting to know if they are throttling all login accounts.<br> </div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1526081"><b>InvalidError</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  R0CKY <A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Hmm....  :o  :huh:  :mad:<br> </div>This sucks. It took me months of pondering before deciding to give ADSL a chance. Once I did, I got torrent speed mostly in-line with what I was expecting from a 5Mbps sync: 350-400KB/s. Little more than a month after I canceled my cable service, ADSL speed progressively got slower and now, another month later, it does smell like it is only a matter of time until I end up on 5Mbps ADSL that torrents like 512kbps.<br><br>The way my torrents start does look suspicious: when I start torrents, I often get a 5-15 second spike at 300-400KB/s after which speed crashes down to sub-100KB/s for a minute with a final steady aggregate speed of 150KB/s for the remainder of my downloads yesterday. IMO, this is getting uncomfortably close to borderline acceptable.<br><br>This morning I downloaded (wget) 2.6.24.3 from kernel.org to see how fast I can download from an HTTP source and got 500KB/s... this is more than double my typical steady torrent speed for the last week.<br><br>As much as I hate the Bell throttling wholesale theory and do not want it to be true since I picked TSI in part because of their strong position against throttling, I am starting to believe it.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Anyone have a login only account with sympatico, in one of the area's not hit with the wholesale throttle?<br><br>Would be interesting to know if they are throttling all login accounts.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1216418"><b>xmz</b></A> : I'm a Distributel user who is experiencing the same thing. This isn't limited to TekSavvy users only. The throttling is exactly the same kind as Bell's - it occurs along the same time frame.<br><br>I have posted in &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r20191279-Nexxia-throttling">Nexxia throttling?</A> as well.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  iconfat <A HREF="/useremail/u/1184750"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Wow, this would mean the throttle is NOT localized and is user specific.  <br>Looks like shit is going to hit the fan everybody!<br> </div>No not really.<br><br>Maybe they just don't throttle ANY business accounts at all.<br><br>If a teksavyy business account is throttled then i supposed the proverbial poop would hit the fan.<br><br>But what we can conclude is, TSI Login accounts are throttled in the defined areas (which are yet undefined).]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1184750"><b>iconfat</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by vnkvnk :</small><br><br>Hi all<br>I just would like to let you know what I tried yesterday. Using TS login torrent running ~30, then I re-login using my business account which is from Bell. So, just changed login and pass in router, torrent up to over 400, 10-15 min at full speed, then back to TS login info-torrent also back to 30.<br> </div>Wow, this would mean the throttle is NOT localized and is user specific.  <br>Looks like shit is going to hit the fan everybody!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><b>R0CKY</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by vnkvnk :</small><br><br>Hi all<br>I just would like to let you know what I tried yesterday. Using TS login torrent running ~30, then I re-login using my business account which is from Bell. So, just changed login and pass in router, torrent up to over 400, 10-15 min at full speed, then back to TS login info-torrent also back to 30.<br> </div> Hmm....  :o  :huh:  :mad:<br><small>--<br>TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/593899"><b>andrewhaji</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by vnkvnk :</small><br><br>Hi all<br>I just would like to let you know what I tried yesterday. Using TS login torrent running ~30, then I re-login using my business account which is from Bell. So, just changed login and pass in router, torrent up to over 400, 10-15 min at full speed, then back to TS login info-torrent also back to 30.<br> </div>Well, this is interesting.  If this is true, Bell is giving an unfair advantage to their own users (business ones, but still...) at the expense of all reseller users.  This has got to be illegal.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Hi all<br>I just would like to let you know what I tried yesterday. Using TS login torrent running ~30, then I re-login using my business account which is from Bell. So, just changed login and pass in router, torrent up to over 400, 10-15 min at full speed, then back to TS login info-torrent also back to 30.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/593899"><b>andrewhaji</b></A> : Since we all love graphs and pretty pictures...<br><br>At least Bell is consistent.  Right at 2 AM my speeds went back to normal, but during the whole afternoon I was bouncing between 30 KB/s and about 100 KB/s.  This has to stop.<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20206420?c=1289280&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDIxOTUyMi54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="157142 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=431 SRC="/r0/download/1289280.thumb600~9f6b07adff86c09bab21eaf8fd445826/Throttling.png/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/835558"><b>matradley</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  TekDogg <A HREF="/useremail/u/1206499"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>East York.  7am.  bas2-toronto06<br><br>Been running this torrent for 20 minutes now (very well seeded) and still only getting 40kB/s max.  &$@*ing Bell!<br><br>How busy could the internet be at 7am on a Saturday?!  They obviously aren't throttling it because of heavy load...everyone is still sleeping.<br> </div>Perhaps that is a seeding issue. We have seen throttling rates at 30/60 KB/s respectively. Here in Petawawa, where are are thottled, I am receiving two downloads via BT unencrypted at my maximum line rate.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/641674"><b>decx</b></A> : Bell uses the excuse of network congestion, but in reality that is never really the case.  If the network was really congested, then we (the heavy users ;) ) would have noticed by now.  Just like how everyone used to know of th overloaded nodes on cable.<br><small>--<br>Go Leafs Go!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206499"><b>TekDogg</b></A> : East York.  7am.  bas2-toronto06<br><br>Been running this torrent for 20 minutes now (very well seeded) and still only getting 40kB/s max.  &$@*ing Bell!<br><br>How busy could the internet be at 7am on a Saturday?!  They obviously aren't throttling it because of heavy load...everyone is still sleeping.<br><br><b>Update:</b> It finally just went up after hovering at 40kB/s for 30 mins.  It is possible it was just a bunch of really bad seeders.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1484077"><b>TheMG</b></A> : Wow, I guess this makes Telus the lesser evil. I always thought Telus was the devil but seeing what's going on with Bell, Bell is probably 10X worst!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : >I understand Bell throttling torrent for sympatico or any <br>>wholesalers. I understand torrent is what nowadays costs the <br>>most bandwidth usage.<br><br>When you pay to be able to download 200gigs per month (or whatever cap your ISP imposes), you should be able to expect to get speeds that match the capability of your DSL sync no matter what sort of protocol you are using to get your data).<br><br>When you reach your limit, then you either stop downloading or PAY EXTRA. <br><br>In other words, we pay real money to get that 5mbps link for one month, and Teksavvy pays Bell real money to provide the DSL portion at 5mbps/800kbps. <br><br>Bell needs to deliver what we pay for. We're not asking for a freebie. If it decides that it no longer wants to invest in DSL to add capacity as the number of users and usage grows, then let it admit it and lower the rates while it develops a real solution (fibre to home) to replace that ugly kludge that DSL is.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1197604"><b>gord27</b></A> : this what you're looking for?<br><br>Country: {0x0F} Vendor: {ALCB} Specific: {0x00}<br>bas13-toronto63<br><br>i'm connected to a co and have been connected to the same co since 98 or 99 when i first got high speed.  i was first throttled by bell in mid november of last year and switched to teksavvy in the beginning of december.  tonight was the first throttling i've experienced since switching.  when i was last on bell i was throttled daily.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : I would assume that if there is any throttling, it would be done at the BAS. BAS are Juniper routers and probably have the brains to do the throttling.<br><br>Another possibility would be DSLAMs.<br><br>If the throttling is simply being deployed throughout the network, we may be seeing BAS by BAS deployment.<br><br>If the throttling is being deployed on a "per need" bassis, it would be deployed on each oversubscribed DSLAM-BAS ( or perhaps CO-DSLAM, affecting all DSLAMS at that CO) links. <br><br>So folks should be quoting what CO theu arte on and what BAS they are on.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1197604"><b>gord27</b></A> : 2am.  turned encyption off.  restarted utorrent.  speeds perfect.  throttling done for the day.<br><br>not sure why encryption isn't working for you guys or why it's working for me.<br><br>btw, what are the drawbacks of using encryption even when not being throttled?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1497447"><b>PurpleH4z3</b></A> : well 2am now and i have just jumped up to full speed 410kb/s, so i am definitely getting hit with the throttle<br>bat :(. <br><br> <IMG SRC="http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/708/39114588kj4.png"> ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1457936"><b>beamer69</b></A> : I am doing about 580 kB/s right now as I always do if the torrent has a lot of seeds and is good.  They don't throttle it is something else slowing you down.<br><br>Of course I am out west in Vancouver not back east  :)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/929913"><b>Omr</b></A> : The ERX your on wouldn't matter as TSI doesn't throttle ... a better information would be what BAS you are on.<br><br>I'm in Scarborough around the Kennedy & Sheppard area on bas2-toronto21, I see no throttling as of yet. BT and Newsgroups have both been good to me.<br><br>My CO is here:<br><br><A HREF="http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&q=4171+SHEPPARD+AVE,+toronto,+ontario,+canada&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=16&iwloc=addr">Bell CO Google Maps</a><br><br>It's the white building south of the green arrow.<br><br><A HREF="http://www.telcodata.us/switchinfo.html?clli=TOROON21CG2">TelcoData Info</a>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1497447"><b>PurpleH4z3</b></A> :    <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>OK, it's 1.05 in the morning, and the speed has suddenly been up from 30kB/s to 60kB/s, but, obviously, it's still being throttled.<hr></blockquote><br><br>Same here mate as soon as 1am hit it jumped up to 60kb/s, From what i seen today my connection been like this<br>from the time i started.<br><br>edited:<br>2pm-4pm 410kb/s<br>4pm-5pm 60kb/s<br>5pm-1am 30kb/s<br>1am-2am 60kb/s<br>2am-XXX 410kb/s<br><br>So hopfully at 2am full speed returns and i will be able to finish off what should of took me an hour to finish<br>over 10hrs ago. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1197604"><b>gord27</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  screw_jack <A HREF="/useremail/u/1487772"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>OK, it's 1.05 in the morning, and the speed has suddenly been up from 30kB/s to 60kB/s, but, obviously, it's still being throttled.<br> </div>same here.  i turned off encryption just to check and speeds are locked around 50k.<br><br>with encryption on i'm at 200k down and 60k up.  btw, guys i'm using the latest non-beta release 1.7.7 utorrent.  encryption is making this much easier to deal with.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1120722"><b>RuralOtt</b></A> : Doesn't seem to be throttled in Ottawa, connecting to ERX03]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1487772"><b>screw_jack</b></A> : OK, it's 1.05 in the morning, and the speed has suddenly been up from 30kB/s to 60kB/s, but, obviously, it's still being throttled.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/640660"><b>JayMan</b></A> : Someone should make one of those google maps and everyone can plot there location so Rocky can take it to Bell with details.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1514376"><b>Arghoslent</b></A> : Throttled here.....I'm in Scarborough about 5 min walk from Victoria park subway station]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : I am downloading a torrent at full speed from<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/" >torrent.fedoraproject.org/</A><br><br>and no throttling at all. Montreal, ERX01.<br><br>If you could, test with a popular torrent before posting here that you are throttled.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/910861"><b>Rand2k1</b></A> : I am currently downloading through bittorent at over 200kbps and hit over 400 earlier today.<br><br>So I am as of this moment NOT throttled.<br><br>In Oakville, On for the record.<br><br>heh, broke 400 in the time it took to write that, so it definitely hasn't hit here yet.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/919724"><b>twizlar</b></A> : Business connection on ERX03 in Etobicoke, No throttling at all.<br><br>EDIT: Just checked two more business connections, one in brantford and another in waterloo, both with the same login. No throttling at either. One was ERX02, the other ERX03<br><small>--<br>Intel Q6600 | 8800GTX | Ipods suck</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1533785"><b>jessy</b></A> : here's my point of view, not that is matters but still...<br><br>I understand Bell throttling torrent for sympatico or any wholesalers. I understand torrent is what nowadays costs the most bandwidth usage. don't deny it, it's true. even so, other applications can give a stable max out connexion, and they're not throttled. that's weird.<br><br>What's even more weird is the 30 KBps caps, that's 240 Kbps. Why not 150 KBps (1200 Kbps) ? that means Bell is not capable in certain areas to provide at some time of the day, more than  30KBps(+traffic used by others applications) to all DSLers in these particular areas? cmon Bell... that's nonsense... not everybody connects to the internet at the same time, and not everybody goes on a bt frenzy as soon as they're back from work, you can do better than a mere 30KBps<br><br>conclusion: I'm fine with throttling, I understand it might be needed, but not that slow.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/461621"><b>Gokuu</b></A> : Great list.  Maybe a new thread should be started so it's easier to keep track ?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1497447"><b>PurpleH4z3</b></A> :   <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>What part of Toronto? The "Toronto area" is quite large.<hr></blockquote><br><br>Mississauga, This may be unrelated but yesterday night i lost my connection between ~1-2am before that though <br>i had never experienced any throttling could this be related?<br><br> <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>If you are being throttled, let us know what ERX you are on.<hr></blockquote><br><br>I am currently on erx01.tor.pppoe.ca]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Here is a list I gathered from all the user comments for the areas affected by the P2P ONLY throttle:<br><br>1. <b>Kitchener/Waterloo ON</b> area. Throttled Distributel user.<br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r20204614-">Re: Nexxia throttling?</A><br><br>2. <b>Toronto,ON</b>. around the Ossington subway station. Throttled Teksavvy user<br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r20199733-">Re: Teksavvy's  throttling now?  Just a vent, nothing is needed.</A><br><br>3. <b>Ajax, ON</b>. Throttled Teksavvy user.<br>Lost the url, Can anyone confirm?<br><br>4. <b>Markham, ON</b>. Throttled Teksavvy user.<br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r20205426-">Re: Teksavvy's  throttling now?  Just a vent, nothing is needed.</A><br><br>5. <b>Cobourg, ON</b>. Throttled Teksavvy user.<br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r20204924-">Re: Teksavvy's  throttling now?  Just a vent, nothing is needed.</A><br><br>6. <b>Waterloo, ON</b>. Throttled Teksavvy user.<br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r20204952-">Re: Teksavvy's  throttling now?  Just a vent, nothing is needed.</A><br><br>7. <b>Laurentians, QC</b>. Throttled Teksavvy user<br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r20205066-">Re: Teksavvy's  throttling now?  Just a vent, nothing is needed.</A><br><br>8. <b>Brantford ON</b>. Throttled Teksavvy user<br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r20205309-">Re: Teksavvy's  throttling now?  Just a vent, nothing is needed.</A><br><br>9. <b>Scarborough ON</b>. Throttled Teksavvy user<br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r20205580-">Re: Teksavvy's  throttling now?  Just a vent, nothing is needed.</A><br><br>10. <b>Mississauga, ON</b>. Throttled Teksavvy user<br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r20204917-">Re: Teksavvy's  throttling now?  Just a vent, nothing is needed.</A><br><br>11. <b>East York Toronto ON</b>. Throttled Teksavvy user<br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r20200263-">Re: Teksavvy's  throttling now?  Just a vent, nothing is needed.</A><br><br>Keep this locations coming, i'm curious just how localized this has got all of a sudden and out of the blue.<br><br>QC doesn't seem bdly affected?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1517026"><b>Ank14</b></A> : This really sucks... been stuck between 30kb/s and 40kb/s all day long since 10am till 11:55pm right now.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/461621"><b>Gokuu</b></A> : I'm in Scarborough on ERX01 with no throttling.<br><br>If you are being throttled, let us know what ERX you are on.<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20205683?c=1289204&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDIxOTUyMi54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="2408 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=554 HEIGHT=61 SRC="/r0/download/1289204~926f4941126875d55239f697436774e7/www.google.ca.png"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1526081"><b>InvalidError</b></A> : My ceiling appears to be around 150-180KB/s tonight - that's 20-30KB/s slower than yesterday's average. If this downwards trend continues, I will be joining the 30KB/s club in the near future.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/216163"><b>kingb71</b></A> : I'm not being throttled at all. I experienced the Sympatico throttling (hence why I left) & haven't experienced this yet with Teksavvy. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/545046"><b>hybrid002</b></A> : Same here I'm also getting throttled to a max 30 kB/s in Scarborough. It had been throttling from 4 or 5 p.m to 2 or 3 a.m for 8 days now.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206499"><b>TekDogg</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by JayTS :</small><br><br>It also seems like some browsing is being slightly affected.  In certain cases images are really lagging behind web pages. <br> </div>Yes, I have noticed this too.  Browsing seems really sluggish even though speed tests report normal rates and pings.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1487772"><b>screw_jack</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Guspaz <A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Obviously not; Comcast is doing quite well despite their practices, FCC investigation aside.<br> </div>I was not just talking about throttling. Obviously, there are also serious problems with their customer service.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/461621"><b>Gokuu</b></A> : What part of Toronto?  The "Toronto area" is quite large.<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  PurpleH4z3 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1497447"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I to am being affected by the throttling (Toronto Area) <hr></blockquote>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1338903"><b>Fatal_Aroma</b></A> : I'm also getting throttled to a max of 30 kb/s in Markham.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1497447"><b>PurpleH4z3</b></A> : I to am being affected by the throttling (Toronto Area) that is going on, Today is the first day it has ever <br>happened to me and i got to tell u I am most displeased by it. I am hoping it some kind of screw up in the <br>bell network that this is happening. <br><br> <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>simple solution guys. enable encryption in utorrent bypasses this throttling.<hr></blockquote><br><br>Have always had Enable Encryption on, Even change ports to which i was previous using but still suffer from<br>being throttled.<br><br>For the past ~5hrs i have been able to get no higher then whats in the screenshot below.<br> <IMG SRC="http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/9964/73026377lt1.jpg"> ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><b>Guspaz</b></A> : Obviously not; Comcast is doing quite well despite their practices, FCC investigation aside.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1487772"><b>screw_jack</b></A> : It is amazing how Bell can bully people like this. If here was US, Bell would have been out of business ages ago because of its practices.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/539077"><b>sbrook</b></A> : This move on Bell's part could certainly be taken to appear anticompetitive.  Now what to do about it ...<br><br>You can't raise a "class action suit" because as a 3rd party you have no contract with Bell to be broken for starters.<br><br>What you CAN do is <br><br>1) Complain to the Federal Industry Minister and indicate that this is anticompetitive behaviour on Bell's part and demand an investigation and also investigate the lack of consumer protection.<br><br>2) Complain to your MP about these same things.<br><br>3) Complain to your provincial government consumer protection branch (In Ontario, that's the Ministry of Government Services (Consumer protection).  Don't let them fob you off the the Department of Industry.  Tell them that you elected the Provincial government to, amongst other things, provide you with consumer protection and they are not doing this.<br><br>4) Complain to you MPP/MLA with the same complaint about consumer protection<br><br>5) Complain to the CCTS (Commissioner for Complaints for Telecom Services).<br><br>6) Complain to the media and get the media to keep going with this.  One flash in the pan story isn't good enough.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1527080"><b>MikeA1972</b></A> : And yes, here in Brantford I am again being throttled.  Using Colosseum.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1527080"><b>MikeA1972</b></A> : And I am amazed at how people support and defend such piss poor business practice.  Just because Bell is both too cheap and too cocky, does not justify their networking being so far behind in the times.  This is 2008, and the internet has become a vital part of daily life.  A fact Bell loved to promote themselves.  Well, time to man up Bell.. and stop making excuses.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/350435"><b>DKS</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Omr <A HREF="/useremail/u/929913"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br> My, my, my ... you seem not to read your own facts. 67% penetration is a very high number, and that 33% that you attribute Dial-Up can have there own reasoning for not coming over to Broadband maybe some don't even have access to it or maybe its not a feasible alternative to there needs ... if I remember Bell still does sell Dial-Up so there is still money coming from them matter of fact alot of Money is being made off them.</div>But that is still 32% of the population without broadband. That is still a huge number.<br><br><div class="bquote">This shows the incumbents aren't expanding and investing as much as they did before.</div>Why? because the banks won't lend them the money. The cream has now been skimmed and it's the expensive rural customers that have to come up. If they ever will. <br><br><div class="bquote">   <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>Canada has one of the highest rates of Internet usage in the world. Furthermore, Canadians are heavy users, with around 90% of users using e-mail at least weekly. The Canadian Internet access market continues to grow strongly with over 64% of Canadians having Internet access by 2004.<hr></blockquote><br><br>That alone just shows that Canadians are very connected, and do use the Internet intensively not just for emails anymore.</div>Sorry, that's simply not true. if 90% using e-mail once a week is a definition of "very connected", then the definition needs revisiting.  :uhh:<br><br><div class="bquote">Also next time please use a reference that is current and up to date</div>I think within the last year qualifies. <br><br><div class="bquote">It is a paid for service, I pay and get what I paid for. If you were sold something would you be okay with it if the terms changed midway through the transaction and at the end of the month they want you to pay for what was initially agreed upon?</div>No, that's not how it works. you pay a month <i>in advance</i>. You signed a contract that gives you delivery of service but also allows the provider to change their service provision for a whole list of reasons. people think that they have a solid agreement. Go read what you signed. It's actually quite flexible, depending on the provider. <br><br><div class="bquote"> I repeat again it is a flawed and illogical way of thinking. All the flash and pizzaz to sell you something but not the ability to deliver on what was sold. The Bells and Rogers are doing something wrong when they sell without full disclosure ... it's like a Pharmaceutical company selling Cancer medication but all the while fully knowing it's just a Placebo ... how quick before the public outcry. Well same logic, although obviously one would be reacted on in a more serious way. Fully disclose what you are doing ... say it publicly that you throttle traffic between 5PM and 2AM, just don't play this public deception that is what peeves me off the most. BE HONEST for gods sake, as if telling us lies protects us ... no it just makes us question how stupid do you believe we are that you are taking us for a ride. Now this is in no way directed at TSI, they are honest, open and full of integrity something to be proud of. Unfortunate that the proverbial 800lb gorilla in the room just took a dumb on its ability to run its business. <br> </div>And I continue to be amazed at the number of people who can not read. It's all there in your agreement. Go read it. <br><small>--<br>Need-based health care not greed-based health care.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/593899"><b>andrewhaji</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  gord27 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1197604"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>simple solution guys.  enable encryption in utorrent bypasses this throttling.<br><br>IMMEDIATELY upon restarting utorrent back up to speed.<br> </div>I've tried this, and I've even set my uTorrent to ignore unencrypted peers, but I'm still throttled.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/461621"><b>Gokuu</b></A> : 3008/800 fast path profile.<br><br>I am still able to max my downstream ~305-310KB/sec<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20205199?c=1289145&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDIxOTUyMi54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="13991 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=300 SRC="/r0/download/1289145.thumb600~8e0120265eaa3a398c27561040c19800/scarborough.PNG/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/641674"><b>decx</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  HiVolt <A HREF="/useremail/u/273051"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  decx <A HREF="/useremail/u/641674"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Hmmm, it seems Bells trying to remove reasons for it's customers to switch to it's competition.<br> </div>Shouldn't that be anti-competitive and illegal?<br> </div>It very well could be.  But, it could be argued as a legitimate need by Bell, and as mentioned before, it could depend on what on the line wholesale contract.<br><small>--<br>Go Leafs Go!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/273051"><b>HiVolt</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  decx <A HREF="/useremail/u/641674"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Hmmm, it seems Bells trying to remove reasons for it's customers to switch to it's competition.<br> </div>Shouldn't that be anti-competitive and illegal?<br><small>--<br>GO LEAFS GO!<br>Don't question the authoritaaaa!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/641674"><b>decx</b></A> : Hmmm, it seems Bells trying to remove reasons for it's customers to switch to it's competition.<br><small>--<br>Go Leafs Go!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1197604"><b>gord27</b></A> : simple solution guys.  enable encryption in utorrent bypasses this throttling.<br><br>IMMEDIATELY upon restarting utorrent back up to speed.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : I'm moving to Barrie soon.<br><br>I called Tekksavy for information. The tech guy I talked with said they don't "throttle" or "shape" traffic. <br><br>I'm with Rogers right now, and they do throttle torrents<br>down to almost 0kbs! I'm hoping to find an ISP that is cheaper. One that also doesn't throttle, shape whatever<br>I choose to do on the web, as well.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1197604"><b>gord27</b></A> : the other thing that's happening is my downstream snr is terrible right now.  i'm barely syncing at 3meg after having been sync'd for 2 weeks or so.<br><br>for me the throttling affects line stats as this is way too coincidental...<br><br>edit - scratch that.  snr and max rate back up to the usual.<br><br>downloads and uploads still capped at 30k/30k though.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1360782"><b>Malbojia</b></A> : I can confirm throttling at both my places in the Laurentians of Quebec.<br><br>Not a bit happy right now. I may as well get a 10/10 p2p. That would probably get affected also.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : So far so good<br><A HREF="http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ubunturi3.jpg"> <IMG SRC="http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5791/ubunturi3.th.jpg"> </a>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Here's a nice graphic example - image taken just now.<br><br>It also seems like some browsing is being slightly affected.  In certain cases images are really lagging behind web pages.  Not sure if this can be chalked up Bell's throttling or not. <div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20205048?c=1289134&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDIxOTUyMi54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="30470 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=195 SRC="/r0/download/1289134.thumb600~90781f3653dee4cad4a9c9bbf56204da/TS - Utorren6-March21 930PM.JPG/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:44:28 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1431626"><b>otheroptions3</b></A> : primus]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:27:39 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1431626"><b>otheroptions3</b></A> : this did this to primsu its taken since september..bell will make this easy.....check the canadian forum]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:26:44 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1487772"><b>screw_jack</b></A> : Same here in Waterloo. It's been throttled since last night.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:25:35 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1532184"><b>Alan123</b></A> : Throttled here in Cobourg as well]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:20:38 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1197604"><b>gord27</b></A> : well i'm being throttled right now.<br><br>[att=1]<br><br>if that's not throttling i don't know what is...<br><br>(mod note: attached image to fix blown margins -state)<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20204917?c=1289189&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDIxOTUyMi54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="118077 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=156 SRC="/r0/download/1289189.thumb600~201fca64f981d79052e9c4fa9229c032/throttleqv9.jpg/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:19:30 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Looks like a lot of us are going to have to learn how to use IRC.<br><br>Everyone can call it whatever they want, but we all know that speeds are being throttled. This was precisely the reason I left them but I guess they've caught up. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1380445"><b>Scoop</b></A> : No throttling in Ottawa. :)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1454995"><b>Rastan</b></A> : I don't understand why so many of you are using the term load balancing to describe what's happening.  Even Rocky admitted that this is not the term Bell used.<br><br> <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr><b>I personally used the words load balance</b> as they said a sort of global throttle, when the loads were heavy, but the problem with using throttle in this case is they're spreading the pain in areas that are overloaded.<br><hr></blockquote><br><br>Bell is throttling P2P traffic and it's not just BitTorrent.  It's traffic from eMule, gnutella, DC, Ares...etc.   ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1367174"><b>melak</b></A> : from a small little hick town called Fergus, with no throttling here.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:00:28 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/461621"><b>Gokuu</b></A> : I don't see any throttling of torrents here in Scarborough.  I tested with a few torrents that had at least 150 seeders each.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : Question to ask Bell:<br><br>Does Bell also throttle HSA (non PPPOE) connections ?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/929913"><b>Omr</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  DKS <A HREF="/useremail/u/350435"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Omr <A HREF="/useremail/u/929913"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>With that way of thinking though you are disparaging the entire TSI userbase and writing us of as simpletons. What you can't see is the few right now are the trend setters of the web ... we are the reason HD-DVD exists, we are the reason VOIP exists, we are the reason why services like Youtube have become big ... the market is evolving to more data and so in direct correlation the demand for increased capacity will increase exponentialy as more and more are coming onboard. IPTV services are popping up, VOIP is prevalent, Streaming is prevalent, and shared internet connections are prevalent. The big companies use PR to make it seem as they are protecting the interests of the user, but flawed is the way of thinking. Crippling another user to make another happy is just passing the torch, nothing really has been done to solve the root problem ... there will be a day when the both users want the higher capacity and the ISP stops them both ... that is what is happening. Also the thing that makes no sense is when a person signs up to an ISP why not be told of these business practices, why not be told the list of Applications that are allowed on that network and those that are crippled and not allowed. To this day the facade of these companies has been about incredible speeds, open use of any applications, etc... Why haven't ISP's been more forthcoming, you are the customer you deserve to know how shitty you'll be treated after signing that dotted line. The ISP's want to have there cake and eat it too.<br> </div>My! my! You do have a high opinion of people! You forget that 33% of the population still is on dialup. You forget that broadband has only grown .3% in the last two years. &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.internetworldstats.com/am/ca.htm" >www.internetworldstats.com/am/ca.htm</A> You also forget that there are a lot of people who cannot afford more technology and those who do not wish it. VOIP is still flawed and not available to many. YouTube is not as universal as you suggest. Some people are still on rotary dial phones.The market will not respond to demand. The market is far, far more complex than that. Major factors you do not account for is capital availability. Data networks do not grow and trees and the buildout takes years. In the meantime, we are limited. all of us. especially when the internet is not an essential service but a discretionary service. <br> </div>My, my, my ... you seem not to read your own facts. 67% penetration is a very high number, and that 33% that you attribute Dial-Up can have there own reasoning for not coming over to Broadband maybe some don't even have access to it or maybe its not a feasible alternative to there needs ... if I remember Bell still does sell Dial-Up so there is still money coming from them matter of fact alot of Money is being made off them.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.bell.ca/shopping/PrsShpInt_DialUp.page" >www.bell.ca/shopping/PrsShpInt_DialUp.page</A><br><br>Also a couple of points off that site you just showed:<br><br>  <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>By the beginning of 2004, total revenues in the telecom market reached an estimated $32.6 billion (down 1.2% on 2002). Industry revenues had grown from $24.9 billion in 1998. Capex continues to decrease from the big spending years of 2000 and 2001 &acirc;&#128;&#147; down to $5.3 billion in 2003. Since 1997 Canadian telecoms operators have spent over $60.7 billion on capital expenditures.<hr></blockquote><br><br>This shows the incumbents aren't expanding and investing as much as they did before.<br><br>  <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>Canada has one of the highest rates of Internet usage in the world. Furthermore, Canadians are heavy users, with around 90% of users using e-mail at least weekly. The Canadian Internet access market continues to grow strongly with over 64% of Canadians having Internet access by 2004.<hr></blockquote><br><br>That alone just shows that Canadians are very connected, and do use the Internet intensively not just for emails anymore.<br><br>Also next time please use a reference that is current and up to date:<br><br>  <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>Local competition now exists throughout most of Canada &acirc;&#128;&#147; although the incumbent operators still hold the lion&#8217;s share of the market. A number of major acquisitions took place: MTS acquired Allstream and Telus is in the process of acquiring Microcell &acirc;&#128;&#147; the competitive environment is shifting. Telecom infrastructure continues to undergo modernisation projects driven by increased competition, liberalisation of telecom policy and government initiatives aimed at extending broadband reach.<hr></blockquote><br><br>???<br><br>It is a paid for service, I pay and get what I paid for. If you were sold something would you be okay with it if the terms changed midway through the transaction and at the end of the month they want you to pay for what was initially agreed upon? I repeat again it is a flawed and illogical way of thinking. All the flash and pizzaz to sell you something but not the ability to deliver on what was sold. The Bells and Rogers are doing something wrong when they sell without full disclosure ... it's like a Pharmaceutical company selling Cancer medication but all the while fully knowing it's just a Placebo ... how quick before the public outcry. Well same logic, although obviously one would be reacted on in a more serious way. Fully disclose what you are doing ... say it publicly that you throttle traffic between 5PM and 2AM, just don't play this public deception that is what peeves me off the most. BE HONEST for gods sake, as if telling us lies protects us ... no it just makes us question how stupid do you believe we are that you are taking us for a ride. Now this is in no way directed at TSI, they are honest, open and full of integrity something to be proud of. Unfortunate that the proverbial 800lb gorilla in the room just took a dumb on its ability to run its business. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Just hope this can get resolved and isn't a permanent thing as it abit annoying, What was only gonna take<br>an hour to finish is now gonna take me 11hrs :@.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Just took a look at my computer & sure enough there were a series of drops - about 5PM throttling began at about 100k, it dropped a but later to ~56 along with severe tightening of upstream, then shortly after 7 PM it was quashed down to 26/18.<br><br>From all the comments in this forum so far, jfmezei_ seems to be the most on-target.  I'm not terribly comfortable with TS's ready agreement that Bell has such a serious problem - needing such immediate action.  If this is the case then surely we should have been warned that a crisis was coming. However I do take note that they were taken by surprise at how & when Bell's intervention came into play.<br><br>Back to the crisis issue, if this is "load balancing" is to offset a genuine & immediate issue, it seems odd that the solution is to impose such a scheduled & dramatic clampdown.  Surely this type of problem would be resolved by dynamic & far more subtle shaping?<br><br>I'll hold off an any real whining for a while.  Right now we're in Rocky's hands, yet somehow I feel like I have Bell's thumbprints all over me.   ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1532600"><b>TheS0urce</b></A> : No throttling YET LOL<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20204491?c=1289094&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDIxOTUyMi54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="63063 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=434 SRC="/r0/download/1289094.thumb600~fbf19e7aacf4205f72a54c41fa1b0d29/bittorent.JPG/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1522014"><b>Radar73</b></A> : I'm throttled now too .... 30k/s.   Switched to IRC and getting 430k/s now.  This better be a temporary thing.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : throttled at 30k here  :mad: <br>wtf]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/273051"><b>HiVolt</b></A> : I'm seeing no issues here, Torrents going full speed 630k on 6016/800 sync.<br><small>--<br>GO LEAFS GO!<br>Don't question the authoritaaaa!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/786047"><b>Homer88</b></A> : I'm at Sheppard and Bayview and getting the throttling.... I have 13 torrents on and cumulatively they're going at 16.5kb/sec (all of them has an average of 10 seeds and 200 peers). <br><br>Oh well... I'm not in a hurry for these files. Bell really needs to stop screwing their customers around though...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : I seem to be affected by it now aswell, Was getting ~400kb/16kb on my one going then i would say <br>~4pm it all of a sudden dropped to 60/.3. Thought my router was just acting up to i reset and still the same <br>60/.3 then it speed up a little to 100/2 for 5 mins. But now for the past ~40mins i've been stuck at 30/0.<br><br>Doesn't matter how many peers i connect to my upload stays at 0 and my dl at ~28-30kb. I tried on a few linux<br>distros and other files as well but it will not go any higher then 30/0 for all of them.<br><br>Only my P2P traffic is being throttled atm as anything i download from the net via my broswer goes <br>at full speed.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/350435"><b>DKS</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Rastan <A HREF="/useremail/u/1454995"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I guess this is how Bell will discourage people from switching to another DSL provider.  What's the point of switching now that every other DSL provider is also providing a crippled connection?<br> </div>Good point. the banks will lend money to stable customer bases. The goal is customer stability so as to reflect positively on the balance sheet. <br><small>--<br>Need-based health care not greed-based health care.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/350435"><b>DKS</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Omr <A HREF="/useremail/u/929913"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>With that way of thinking though you are disparaging the entire TSI userbase and writing us of as simpletons. What you can't see is the few right now are the trend setters of the web ... we are the reason HD-DVD exists, we are the reason VOIP exists, we are the reason why services like Youtube have become big ... the market is evolving to more data and so in direct correlation the demand for increased capacity will increase exponentialy as more and more are coming onboard. IPTV services are popping up, VOIP is prevalent, Streaming is prevalent, and shared internet connections are prevalent. The big companies use PR to make it seem as they are protecting the interests of the user, but flawed is the way of thinking. Crippling another user to make another happy is just passing the torch, nothing really has been done to solve the root problem ... there will be a day when the both users want the higher capacity and the ISP stops them both ... that is what is happening. Also the thing that makes no sense is when a person signs up to an ISP why not be told of these business practices, why not be told the list of Applications that are allowed on that network and those that are crippled and not allowed. To this day the facade of these companies has been about incredible speeds, open use of any applications, etc... Why haven't ISP's been more forthcoming, you are the customer you deserve to know how shitty you'll be treated after signing that dotted line. The ISP's want to have there cake and eat it too.<br> </div>My! my! You do have a high opinion of people! You forget that 33% of the population still is on dialup. You forget that broadband has only grown .3% in the last two years. &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.internetworldstats.com/am/ca.htm" >www.internetworldstats.com/am/ca.htm</A> You also forget that there are a lot of people who cannot afford more technology and those who do not wish it. VOIP is still flawed and not available to many. YouTube is not as universal as you suggest. Some people are still on rotary dial phones.The market will not respond to demand. The market is far, far more complex than that. Major factors you do not account for is capital availability. Data networks do not grow and trees and the buildout takes years. In the meantime, we are limited. all of us. especially when the internet is not an essential service but a discretionary service. <br><small>--<br>Need-based health care not greed-based health care.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/640660"><b>JayMan</b></A> : Still not seeing any throttling here.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/593899"><b>andrewhaji</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Rastan <A HREF="/useremail/u/1454995"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I guess this is how Bell will discourage people from switching to another DSL provider.  What's the point of switching now that every other DSL provider is also providing a crippled connection?<br> </div>TekSavvy is still cheaper and still has higher monthly usage limits.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1454995"><b>Rastan</b></A> : I guess this is how Bell will discourage people from switching to another DSL provider.  What's the point of switching now that every other DSL provider is also providing a crippled connection?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/929913"><b>Omr</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Jada <A HREF="/useremail/u/1225339"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Why should the other smaller ISP's suffer from the bandwidth hogs out there. Seriously when you see comments like:<br><br>With TekSavvy unlimited is unlimited. They posted the numbers a few days ago, apparently the heaviest unlimited users were at 1500GB/month. TekSavvy of course likes it when people use less, but they don't cut you off (unless you manage to get a connection higher than 6Mb/s, which TekSavvy doesn't offer).<br><br>TekSavvy never throttles, you can run BitTorrent full out at any time of day. I often get 520KB/s on BitTorrent during peak hours.<br> <br>I have some questions hopefully someone can answer.<br><br>I'm sick of bell's throttling and looking for a new ISP. could you tell me if your unlimited account is truly unlimited? i am a big downloader/uploader; about 500GB/month. that being said, would my service be throttled the way that bell is throttling me? i do download from torrents quite a lot and also from nntp as well. i realize that bell doesn't throttle nntp but only the torrents, but the speeds i'm getting from torrents is forcing me to switch. thank you for any feedback!<br><br>also, i forgot to ask, how unlimited is teksavvy's "unlimited" access? would i be capped/throttled for using more than 500+gb bandwidth per month? or perhaps charged more? thank you!<br><br>oh, and i have bell's speedstream 6520. i can just use teksavvy's login information instead of bell's with this modem and it should work, correct? i did already buy it from bell.<br><br>All the ISP's have the same right. Comcast does it because they want to keep their customers happy.Not all there customers download torrents, why should they suffer from the abuses of others. Seriously 500 to 1500GB a month  Teksavvy user c'mon!!!!<br><br>Comcast "uses reasonable network management practices that are consistent with industry standards." The company points out that it is not alone in the practice, saying that "all major" ISPs engage in some form of traffic shaping. Comcast does it to keep its subscribers from suffering the heartaches of "spam, viruses, security attacks, network congestion, and other risks and degradations of service" and to "deliver the best possible Internet experience to all of its customers." <br> </div>With that way of thinking though you are disparaging the entire TSI userbase and writing us of as simpletons. What you can't see is the few right now are the trend setters of the web ... we are the reason HD-DVD exists, we are the reason VOIP exists, we are the reason why services like Youtube have become big ... the market is evolving to more data and so in direct correlation the demand for increased capacity will increase exponentialy as more and more are coming onboard. IPTV services are popping up, VOIP is prevalent, Streaming is prevalent, and shared internet connections are prevalent. The big companies use PR to make it seem as they are protecting the interests of the user, but flawed is the way of thinking. Crippling another user to make another happy is just passing the torch, nothing really has been done to solve the root problem ... there will be a day when the both users want the higher capacity and the ISP stops them both ... that is what is happening. Also the thing that makes no sense is when a person signs up to an ISP why not be told of these business practices, why not be told the list of Applications that are allowed on that network and those that are crippled and not allowed. To this day the facade of these companies has been about incredible speeds, open use of any applications, etc... Why haven't ISP's been more forthcoming, you are the customer you deserve to know how shitty you'll be treated after signing that dotted line. The ISP's want to have there cake and eat it too.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1184750"><b>iconfat</b></A> : We should start a thread with people posting their locations so we can get an idea where bell is throttling.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/593899"><b>andrewhaji</b></A> : Well, just as expected, 5 PM has rolled around and my torrents are down to about 60 KB/s.  It was almost instantaneous: they were rolling along at 450 KB/s all day, and then shortly after 5 PM they fell sharply.<br><br>I'm glad to hear Rocky is on the case.  Good luck with Bell.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1184750"><b>iconfat</b></A> : Bell shouldn't have to throttle ISPs that use their lines. <br><br>If I remember correctly, Bell used to advertise DSL as being superior to cable in that DSL does NOT share bandwidth in neighbourhood zones.   It is a direct connection to you and the ISP so it doesnt matter how much or little your neighbour uses.<br><br>By implementing this bandwidth control, they are going back on their words.  <br><br>Also, If they want to throlle bell users that connect to the bell network, go right ahead.  But by tampering with Teksavvys customers, they are now affecting your services agreements with your customers.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1225339"><b>Jada</b></A> : Why should the other smaller ISP's suffer from the bandwidth hogs out there. Seriously when you see comments like:<br><br>With TekSavvy unlimited is unlimited. They posted the numbers a few days ago, apparently the heaviest unlimited users were at 1500GB/month. TekSavvy of course likes it when people use less, but they don't cut you off (unless you manage to get a connection higher than 6Mb/s, which TekSavvy doesn't offer).<br><br>TekSavvy never throttles, you can run BitTorrent full out at any time of day. I often get 520KB/s on BitTorrent during peak hours.<br> <br>I have some questions hopefully someone can answer.<br><br>I'm sick of bell's throttling and looking for a new ISP. could you tell me if your unlimited account is truly unlimited? i am a big downloader/uploader; about 500GB/month. that being said, would my service be throttled the way that bell is throttling me? i do download from torrents quite a lot and also from nntp as well. i realize that bell doesn't throttle nntp but only the torrents, but the speeds i'm getting from torrents is forcing me to switch. thank you for any feedback!<br><br>also, i forgot to ask, how unlimited is teksavvy's "unlimited" access? would i be capped/throttled for using more than 500+gb bandwidth per month? or perhaps charged more? thank you!<br><br>oh, and i have bell's speedstream 6520. i can just use teksavvy's login information instead of bell's with this modem and it should work, correct? i did already buy it from bell.<br><br>All the ISP's have the same right. Comcast does it because they want to keep their customers happy.Not all there customers download torrents, why should they suffer from the abuses of others. Seriously 500 to 1500GB a month  Teksavvy user c'mon!!!!<br><br>Comcast "uses reasonable network management practices that are consistent with industry standards." The company points out that it is not alone in the practice, saying that "all major" ISPs engage in some form of traffic shaping. Comcast does it to keep its subscribers from suffering the heartaches of "spam, viruses, security attacks, network congestion, and other risks and degradations of service" and to "deliver the best possible Internet experience to all of its customers." ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1182430"><b>BozoTheCl0wn</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  jfmezei <A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>If the Royal Bank buys a 100mbps link between Toronto an Montreal, would it, as a commercial customer, tolerate that Bell inspect the ethernet packets inside that link and slow down packets that are ATM transactions because Bell is having problems with the Toronto-Montreal total capacity and needs to reduce total usage ?</div>If you don't want your packets inspected by Bell or anyone just encrypt them.  Maybe that's the next TS service...  SSL/IPSEC VPN connections for their members that want to have unthrottled connections.   <br><br>Listening Rocky?  ;)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : I can understand bandwidth caps. It limits overall demand for bandwidth. (but doesn't limit peaks).<br><br>I can understand throttling: it limits peaks in demand since the maximum speed is limited to well below the advertised speeds.<br><br>If you throttle, then you shouldn't need bandwidth caps.<br><br>If you have bandwidth caps, you shouldn't need throttling.<br><br>If the Royal Bank buys a 100mbps link between Toronto an Montreal, would it, as a commercial customer, tolerate that Bell inspect the ethernet packets inside that link and slow down packets that are ATM transactions because Bell is having problems with the Toronto-Montreal total capacity and needs to reduce total usage ?<br><br>Similarly, an ISP buys a wholesale 5mbps/800kbps link between a its customer and its router. This is a commercial offering. Bell has no business inspecting packets and slowing down certain types of transactions.<br><br>When Bell sells a 5mbps/800kbps link, it needs to deliver on 5mbps/800kbps DATA SPEEDS between the ISP and the ISP's customer.<br><br>If Bell's infrastructure is overloaded and Bell can't deliver the network performance ISPs are paying for, then Bell must be made to deliver on the contracted performance.<br><br>If the Royal Bank doesn't get the promised 100mbps on all its packets, do you think the Royal Bank will stand idle and take it ? They're probahly going to freeze Bell's accounts until Bell delivers the performance the bank is paying for.<br><br>If Bell throttles some packets to only 30kbps instead of 5mbps, then ISPS shoudl only pay 30/5000 % of the GAS fee.<br><br>AKA: if instead of delivering 5mbps, Bell only delivers 30kbps, then ISPS should pay about $0.12 instead of $20 for the GAS (PPPOE DSL) service.<br><br>If all ISPs get together, they should be able to stop Bell from doing this throttling on THEIR traffic.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1212082"><b>davidbrown</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Omr <A HREF="/useremail/u/929913"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>Guys lets calm down and let this play out over the holiday, then we can all have a clearer idea as to what is going on and what will be done about it. TekSavvy clearly doesn't throttle ... but clearly the service has been impeded by Bell now but beyond there realm. What they can control is there reaction to Bell ... and sometimes a strong assertive reaction has the ability to change the situation. Maybe a little legalese can make a bigger impression.<br><br>I don't understand why Bell would do such a thing as I don't empathize to large corporate interests. A corporation in essence is all about increasing profit margins and beating there previous years profits ... Bell isn't subsidizing the internet so there is no reason why they can't deliver what they sell ... same goes for Rogers.<br><br>All is not lost, this looks to be in a legal grey zone or can be spun back for our own benefit. OttawaGal said it best:<br><br>   <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>If bell is saying that they are throttling certain area's down to below 30kB/s because they can't cope with the traffic that is sold to you and which is resold to the user. Then a complaint for a cost reduction needs to be put in with Bell since they are admitting they can't provide the service that teksavvy is paying them for, and in turn that cost reduction should also be passed on to the users who are paying for below 30kB/s internet. Don't know if thats possible, or if i made sense, or how they work.<br><br>But what I'm saying is, why should Harry in Montreal pay 40$ for 5-meg internet and Dick in Toronto pay 40$ for the same service at dial up speed? Why should Teksavvy have to pay full rate as well when bell admitted they can't supply you?<br><br>Will this throttle soon spread out to other area's or is there only a predefined area at the moment? What area's?<br><br>Is it perm? Estimated length of time?<br><br>Are all the other wholesellers affected as well or only Teksavvy?<br><br>Should users believe bells side of it, or should they believe this is another strong-arm tactic by bell similar to when they tried to strong-arm you into removing the login access?<br><br>Many questions come to mind...<br><br>Good luck with your meeting next week!<hr></blockquote><br><br>[url]&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r20191279-Nexxia-throttling[/url]">Nexxia throttling?</A><br><br>If Bell can't deliver then the System access fee for TSI should be logically reduced, and the trade-off goes back to the customer. The customer re-invests in Newsgroups and all is merry.<br> </div>I agree calm is the order of the day.<br><br>As for legal action iam guessing this would be a waste of time.<br><br>You can be sure bell has been planning this for some time and made sure when the contracts were redone that they had a loop hole that would let them do this.<br><br>If bell is good at one thing its covering their collective butts.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/929913"><b>Omr</b></A> : Guys lets calm down and let this play out over the holiday, then we can all have a clearer idea as to what is going on and what will be done about it. TekSavvy clearly doesn't throttle ... but clearly the service has been impeded by Bell now but beyond there realm. What they can control is there reaction to Bell ... and sometimes a strong assertive reaction has the ability to change the situation. Maybe a little legalese can make a bigger impression.<br><br>I don't understand why Bell would do such a thing as I don't empathize to large corporate interests. A corporation in essence is all about increasing profit margins and beating there previous years profits ... Bell isn't subsidizing the internet so there is no reason why they can't deliver what they sell ... same goes for Rogers.<br><br>All is not lost, this looks to be in a legal grey zone or can be spun back for our own benefit. OttawaGal said it best:<br><br> <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>If bell is saying that they are throttling certain area's down to below 30kB/s because they can't cope with the traffic that is sold to you and which is resold to the user. Then a complaint for a cost reduction needs to be put in with Bell since they are admitting they can't provide the service that teksavvy is paying them for, and in turn that cost reduction should also be passed on to the users who are paying for below 30kB/s internet. Don't know if thats possible, or if i made sense, or how they work.<br><br>But what I'm saying is, why should Harry in Montreal pay 40$ for 5-meg internet and Dick in Toronto pay 40$ for the same service at dial up speed? Why should Teksavvy have to pay full rate as well when bell admitted they can't supply you?<br><br>Will this throttle soon spread out to other area's or is there only a predefined area at the moment? What area's?<br><br>Is it perm? Estimated length of time?<br><br>Are all the other wholesellers affected as well or only Teksavvy?<br><br>Should users believe bells side of it, or should they believe this is another strong-arm tactic by bell similar to when they tried to strong-arm you into removing the login access?<br><br>Many questions come to mind...<br><br>Good luck with your meeting next week!<hr></blockquote><br><br>[url]&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r20191279-Nexxia-throttling[/url]">Nexxia throttling?</A><br><br>If Bell can't deliver then the System access fee for TSI should be logically reduced, and the trade-off goes back to the customer. The customer re-invests in Newsgroups and all is merry.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1471971"><b>DSL_Ricer</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  jfmezei <A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>>Shirley a company the size of Bell would have used cables with plenty of spare fibre strands in them when digging up to string fibre between COs or between CO and remotes<br> </div>Even if they didn't, they could upgrade their network equipment to use multiple light frequencies over the same fiber. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : >Just wondering, but Teksavvy's customers don't have any <br>>effect on the performance of Bell's network does it? If not, <br>>then I don't see any reason they can have for throttling.<br><br>Say the bottleneck happens between the DSLAM and BAS in certain neighbourhoods. (a problem that will seriously increase if Bell raises DSL line speeds).<br><br>If Bell throttles Sympatico customers at the sympatico router level, but Teksavvy (and all other ISPs) don't, it means that competitive ISPs will monopolise the bandwidth between BAS and DSLAM here bottlenecks occur, leaving Sympatico customers to breathe dust.<br><br>By throttling everyone at the BAS or DSLAM level, Sympatico customers will get equal access to the BAS-DSLAM available bandwidth and by throttling only P2P, it means that HTTP traffic can still be advertised to be fast.<br><br>The real solution is for Bell to simply increase the speed between DSLAM and BAS. Sheesh, if they are gaining more customers and want to increase speeds to compete against cable, then they simply need to allocate another pair of fibre to raise capacity between a DSLAM and the BAS. (Shirley a company the size of Bell would have used cables with plenty of spare fibre strands in them when digging up to string fibre between COs or between CO and remotes).]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1212082"><b>davidbrown</b></A> : Sadly last time i looked bell had three out of five heads on the crtc so i wouldn't expect help from them.<br><br>Mind you this may have changed so don't quote me...lol.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1212082"><b>davidbrown</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  TSI Marc <A HREF="/useremail/u/1368600"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>The segment of the feed where they are doing this (only in some geographical areas) is shared with Sympatico. The wholesalers do have an impact on the Sympatico user base and visa-versa.<br><br>Based on this it does make sense that if that portion of the network is overloaded that they do whatever they can to keep the network healthy.<br><br>Our concerns are that they are doing it without telling us. That we don't know were they are doing it. That we don't know if and when it will end. What are the plans to add capacity... what's going on? what are we getting for our money? what can we tell our customers?<br><br>As for capacity, it is true that the demand for "more" is out pacing what routers able to handle. I've personally been on a perpetual upgrade mode for a few years now. We've spent a ton of money trying to keep up. We now have 10gig links to manage the load through our core. After 10gig/sec there really isn't much else. They're just now coming out with 40gig and 100gig cards but I can't even get a quote from Juniper. i.e. as far as I know, they don't exist in their lineup.<br><br>IMHO, there is valid cause on Bell's end but at the same time, this is not the way to do it.<br><br>We'll be talking with our Bell folk. stay tuned!<br> </div>I fell for you guys.<br><br>Here you are doing your best to provide a service and something outside your control tosses a wrench into the works.<br>I do understand the need to balance the load but i think bell is going beyond that and into greed, i have seen areas that have little load and they get the same speeds as the core does now with p2p.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : >"The CRTC does not regulate rates, quality of service issues >or business practices for Internet Service Providers. <br><br>The CRTC regulates the rates and service of Bell wholesaling DSL service to ISPs. There are GAS (pppeo) and HSA (non pppeo) rates that are regulated by the CRTC which dictate how much Bell can charge ISPs for carriage fo data from a DSL customer to the ISP.<br><br>And since the apparent throttling is happening inside that CRTC-regulated portion of the service, then the CRTC has the right/duty to look into it.<br><br>Question now becomes which ISP will risk its relationship with Bell to complain to the CRTC. We don't have Ralph Doncaster to do that anymore.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/929913"><b>Omr</b></A> : For those guys that are being throttled please examine if your entire internet connections throughput is reduced (much like a dummy way of doing it) ... or if it is precise and targeted like only BT is throttled but Newsgroups still fly at maximum.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : I am very suspicious of "load balance".<br><br>Load balance would imply spreading the load on multiple links to provide more throughput.<br><br>From what I read here, it appears that they would be doing "load management" by reducing maximum throughput so that a few users don't take up all available bandwidth between a BAS and a DSLAM (or wherever there is a bottleneck).<br><br>Is raising DSL speeds beyond 5mbps results in such tactics, then I would rather they delay speed upgrades until they can raise speeds without any funky undocumented network "management" stuff.<br><br>Secondly, and more importantly, if they are doing load management or whatever they wich to call it, it should be done on all packets, not packets of a certain protocol.<br><br>My relationship is with Teksavvy. Not Bell. Bell is a supplier of data communications, like a transit provider and has no business messing with my traffic. They are paid to bulk carry it to Teksavy.<br><br>They can look at the PPPoE headers to determine the routing of the *PPPOE* packet, but they have no business looking at the TCPIP header to determine what type of data is being transmitted between me and my ISP.<br><br>First, Bell convinces Teksavvy to stop offering Login only accounts. and now it start to do funky network management stuff that negates the policies of the ISP. <br><br>Someone will have to put their foot down and tell Bell to stop this.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1476650"><b>Liftow</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  TSI Marc <A HREF="/useremail/u/1368600"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Our concerns are that they are doing it without telling us. That we don't know were they are doing it. That we don't know if and when it will end. What are the plans to add capacity... what's going on? what are we getting for our money? <br> </div>Sounds alot like how i felt when i was a sympatico customer and the throttling started ;)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/929913"><b>Omr</b></A> : If this is true then I feel sorry for the guy who was reprimanded, as he was telling the truth but probably fired for telling insider information. This is BullCrap, WTF all the big players just want to do is push us off a cliff ... not even a fair comprimise is ever offered.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.canadianisp.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1200328865/5" >www.canadianisp.com/cgi-bin/yabb&middot;&middot;&middot;328865/5</A><br><br>Each year instead of innovation we go a step backwards. ROCKY let us be first to know what is going on, man if the likes of Primus, Acanac and all the other Third Party outfits make a consortium to either have a Class Action or building out a new Network in high ROI regions, districts, communities then by all means go for it ... wean yourself out of this Ma Bell.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1368600"><b>TSI Marc</b></A> : The segment of the feed where they are doing this (only in some geographical areas) is shared with Sympatico. The wholesalers do have an impact on the Sympatico user base and visa-versa.<br><br>Based on this it does make sense that if that portion of the network is overloaded that they do whatever they can to keep the network healthy.<br><br>Our concerns are that they are doing it without telling us. That we don't know were they are doing it. That we don't know if and when it will end. What are the plans to add capacity... what's going on? what are we getting for our money? what can we tell our customers?<br><br>As for capacity, it is true that the demand for "more" is out pacing what routers able to handle. I've personally been on a perpetual upgrade mode for a few years now. We've spent a ton of money trying to keep up. We now have 10gig links to manage the load through our core. After 10gig/sec there really isn't much else. They're just now coming out with 40gig and 100gig cards but I can't even get a quote from Juniper. i.e. as far as I know, they don't exist in their lineup.<br><br>IMHO, there is valid cause on Bell's end but at the same time, this is not the way to do it.<br><br>We'll be talking with our Bell folk. stay tuned!<br><small>--<br>TSI Marc - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/648847"><b>Steve Jobs</b></A> : Just wondering, but Teksavvy's customers don't have any effect on the performance of Bell's network does it? If not, then I don't see any reason they can have for throttling.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/739743"><b>MisawaGQ</b></A> : But this is essentially one company sabotaging the service of another company. Bell has a monopoly on the lines, and they're using this to create problems for their competition. Even if it's not against the rules, I can't imagine they wouldn't step in with a ruling. It would be insanity to allow these sorts of business practices.<br><small>--<br>"Let them hate, so long as they fear" -- Lucius Accius</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/248514"><b>mlerner</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  MisawaGQ <A HREF="/useremail/u/739743"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Are there any regulations against this behaviour? Or will the CRTC need to step in and introduce new regulations? If it's the latter, it seems like Bell will be able to continue screwing people until the slow wheels of justice start turning. If the former, surely they'll be facing massive fines for this? Either way, there's a storm brewing.<br> </div>This is surely not legal and if it gets much worse, I'm sure complaining to the Government will fix it since DSL wholesale is in fact regulated.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1532600"><b>TheS0urce</b></A> : hmm according to the CRTC site,  <br>"The CRTC does not regulate rates, quality of service issues or business practices for Internet Service Providers. The market is competitive and consumers should shop around to find the one that most suits their needs and budget. Consumers experiencing difficulties should contact their service providers quickly to resolve the problem. "<br><br>So the only way is either Teksavvy to work it out with Bell or the customers actually file a class action law suite against Bell.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by JayTS :</small><br><br>but we also knew that it couldn't be throttling as that would be a massively abusive step by Bell. <br> </div>The writing was on the wall.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/739743"><b>MisawaGQ</b></A> : Are there any regulations against this behaviour? Or will the CRTC need to step in and introduce new regulations? If it's the latter, it seems like Bell will be able to continue screwing people until the slow wheels of justice start turning. If the former, surely they'll be facing massive fines for this? Either way, there's a storm brewing.<br><small>--<br>"Let them hate, so long as they fear" -- Lucius Accius</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Look, I spent about two hours in total yesterday on the phone with TS tech support, trying to figure out how I was <i>apparently</i> being throttled.<br><br>I know that TS does not throttle and I know that TS is always honest and frank with their customers.  So I was not accusing them of anything.  I am not suffering from any of the problems you list - and if you read my initial post you'll see we did all the trouble-shooting possible to rule out the likeliest (and even some of the less likely) possible causes.  The guys at TS support were very thorough and very patient - we ruled out everything except for throttling (by whatever name you choose to call it), but we also knew that it couldn't be throttling as that would be a massively abusive step by Bell. <br><br>It seems that this was pulled on TS, not just (selected) customers.  I have faith that they will do everything in their power to rectify the situation and I'll root for them while they try to deal with it.  I hope they're successful, and I hope it's a quick resolution.  My job requires substantial use of bt transfer so this has the potential to actually change my life, not just my recreational habits. <br><br>Rocky, thanks for the updates & good luck! ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1532600"><b>TheS0urce</b></A> : Yeah I see that maybe we need to make a forum of your own? hehe ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/185347"><b>Randsl Dude</b></A> : Being that your so far from the C.O. any kind of line disturbance will affect your download capabilities...<br><br>Anything from a modem, an unfiltered phone, inside wiring problems, alarm systems, a deteriorating drop, protection problems, cable problems...etc<br><br>To accuse Teksavvy of throttling, without first checking all the other possibilities, is really taking the lazy way out of solving the problem...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/640660"><b>JayMan</b></A> : It sounds like it was a retention attempt. Just like to keep people they offer them 7mbit but can really only provide 3. <br><br>Bell thinks when they do something everyone will follow like sheep. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : When Bell users first started reporting problems with torrents, way back, many people dismissed them as crackpots who couldn't configure their clients properly.  Eventually, it all came out that Bell *was* throttling & then proceeded to introduced hard caps.<br><br>Cogeco, Videotron, Rogers...they *ALL* did it.  Collusion on a grand scale!<br><br>Do we honestly believe the price for bandwidth has gone up over the years?  Nonsense; it's gone down.  Bandwidth prices per GB where posted in this forum by the CEO of Teksavvy himself.  We are talking pennies per GB, people - yet the big ISP's want us to believe it's expensive?<br><br>They see the cash cow the Internet is & want their piece.  Cogeco capped users to stop them going to Internet resources to get their TV/Movies & try to prevent users from leaving their lucrative VOD service.  Does anyone dispute that?<br><br>Now there are rumblings of throttling on Teksavvy, with the usual comments about it being user error.<br><br>It looks like the parties over for Teksavvy:  No more unlimited bandwidth; 30Gb capped service for all.<br><br>The major ISP's see the Internet as a threat to their TV services.  They don't want users torrenting shows/movies.<br><br>Instead they want to lock down the Internet so that people have no choice but to stick with the incumbents high priced VOD/Cable TV prices.<br><br>What now, Teksavvy?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1442410"><b>sMURF</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Liftow <A HREF="/useremail/u/1476650"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>...at least we still have phone service to cancel to make a point.<br> </div>Until Bell randomly disconnects your calls when you're with TekSavvy for home phone...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1476650"><b>Liftow</b></A> : I realize that it's not teksavvy doing it, i just find it strange that this represtative from high up in the echelons of sympatico was positively sure that some form of throttling would be affecting resellers...if its true, it's obviously planned by sympatico as a stop gap to the hemmoraging of customers...at least we still have phone service to cancel to make a point.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/640660"><b>JayMan</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Liftow <A HREF="/useremail/u/1476650"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>You know, when I swithed to teksavvy, i had a problem in closing my sympatico account, and ultimately talked to a representative from krulls office.  We spoke for over 40 minutes, and when i explained to him why I was going with a reseller, he was adamant that at some point all the resellers would throttle torrents.  Looking back on it now (as it was a month and a half ago) it seems somewhat strange the language he used, like he seemed to know it was going to happen, and the fact that people are reporting this now.....well, very strange indeed<br> </div>Keep in mind it's not teksavvy doing it. It's bell doing it behind the ISP's back.  Lawsuits are brewin.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1476650"><b>Liftow</b></A> : You know, when I swithed to teksavvy, i had a problem in closing my sympatico account, and ultimately talked to a representative from krulls office.  We spoke for over 40 minutes, and when i explained to him why I was going with a reseller, he was adamant that at some point all the resellers would throttle torrents.  Looking back on it now (as it was a month and a half ago) it seems somewhat strange the language he used, like he seemed to know it was going to happen, and the fact that people are reporting this now.....well, very strange indeed]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by MikeInOttawa :</small><br><br>This should get really ugly if it's true.<br> </div>It IS ugly!<br><br>Its so ugly its now made the p2p news. Read it here:<br><br>Price- and bandwidth fixing? Competition fixing?<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15361" >www.p2pnet.net/story/15361</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : This should get really ugly if it's true.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1182430"><b>BozoTheCl0wn</b></A> : Wait for 5PM or so today and if all the same people have slow BT and fast everything else then you will have your answer.  I hope you are right but it doesn't look promising.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><b>R0CKY</b></A> : Like I said gang... I'm just stating that we're seeing some irregularities too, and from prelim discussions with Bell in the last couple of days, it seems something of the sort might be going on.  To what extent and what is being affected, that I/we can't answer right now as we can't even see it. <br><br>I doubt it would be a certain type of traffic as the transit is ours, so if anything it would an "all ports in a specific geography" thing, not a specific type.<br><br>Rocky<br><small>--<br>TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1522014"><b>Radar73</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  AMailer <A HREF="/useremail/u/982977"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Ha, total opposit for me. I'm getting the best speeds on torrents than I've had before on DSL :D 415kB/s :D EEE<br> </div>You would get good speeds now because the throttle ends at 2:00am.  This was the exact BT behaviour I had before I left BS for TSI.   If Bell is doing "load balancing" of some sort, I hope ROCKY has some wiggle room in his agreements with Bell to get Bell to stop affecting TSI customers like this.  TSI has screamed "we do not throttle" many times, but whether it's TSI (no) or Bell (yes), it's the same thing to us Linux downloaders with crippled connections for half the day. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/982977"><b>AMailer</b></A> : Ha, total opposit for me. I'm getting the best speeds on torrents than I've had before on DSL :D 415kB/s :D EEE<br><small>--<br>www.AaronDM.com<br>Web developer & designer  :D</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1442410"><b>sMURF</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  R0CKY <A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I personally used the words load balance as they said a sort of global throttle, when the loads were heavy, but the problem with using throttle in this case is they're spreading the pain in areas that are overloaded.  So, as it seems a throttle is in place it may also be a load-balance tactic of sorts.<br><br>Will respond with more details as they become available, as right we're pretty much just guessing too.<br> </div>Is throttling Bell's answer to everything?<br><br>While I wasn't affected by any throttling last night, I'm still pissed off. Does Bell even realize that demand will continue to rise? All the money they're spending on throttling technologies, all the money they gain by raping their customers, or all the money saved by using low skill scriptmonkeys in India could be used to upgrade their pathetic network.<br><br>I don't use torrents that often anymore, as I mostly use Usenet. However, I'd still like to know that torrents aren't crippled should I decide to use them, which is just one reason why I left Rogers.<br><br>Bell pisses me off, they need to get their shit together.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1182430"><b>BozoTheCl0wn</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  R0CKY <A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I personally used the words load balance as they said a sort of global throttle, when the loads were heavy, but the problem with using throttle in this case is they're spreading the pain in areas that are overloaded.  So, as it seems a throttle is in place it may also be a load-balance tactic of sorts.<br><br>Will respond with more details as they become available, as right we're pretty much just guessing too.<br> </div>A load balance that only affects BT?  Sound like throttling to me.  People affected can do other protocols at full speed.  Even the start and stop times seem the same as with BS.<br><br>Thanks for taking the time to respond.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1182430"><b>BozoTheCl0wn</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  MikeA1972 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1527080"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Whatever was happening, seems to have been corrected.  Let's all hope for the best. :)<br> </div>if it's like Bell it stop around 2AM so that would explain.  Sorry to burst your bubble...  :(]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1119722"><b>RogersLite</b></A> : ahh so i'm assuming what happens is the places like in toronto that are like overuseed they take the data transfer and spread it out on other nodes or networks to not overload their nodes i assume]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><b>R0CKY</b></A> : I personally used the words load balance as they said a sort of global throttle, when the loads were heavy, but the problem with using throttle in this case is they're spreading the pain in areas that are overloaded.  So, as it seems a throttle is in place it may also be a load-balance tactic of sorts.<br><br>Will respond with more details as they become available, as right we're pretty much just guessing too.<br><small>--<br>TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : from the times given in the complaints above and from the times given till the complainers mentioned the "load-balancing" stopped, its the same times exactly as the predefined times of the Bell throttle.<br><br>I guess the users who are affected should watch the times their speed drop to 30kB/s and when it stops.<br><br>But so far the times match bells throttle exactly.<br><br>So if bell is trying to toss  technical terms such as "load balancing" to mean their throttle, then I think the only "load" is the "load" bell shoveled to you as the explanation ;)<br><br>sad day indeed for those affected.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1521952"><b>QCTLG</b></A> : ROCKY,<br><br>Thanks for responding and giving us an update.<br>I "GREATLY" appreciate it...<br><br>Now after reading this thread...I'm lost for words right now...<br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r20201122-If-its-not-one-thing-its-another">If its not one thing its another</A><br><br>Regards,]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><b>R0CKY</b></A> : What thread?<br><br>Edit: just found it... Not sure this is related... I think it's more of a load thing from what we're seeing on the way they're doing this, if this is what they're doing.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Read a post posted by FCKINFEDUP in the sympatico forum. Suppose he's right?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><b>R0CKY</b></A> : After some discussions with Bell, while doing upgrades to zones that are under capacity, it looks like they've now started to implement at type of load balance system of sorts... I don't think it's a throttle, but it does seem they're spreading the pain from the looks of it right now.<br><br>We're hoping to get more details after the holiday weekend to see what the official plans are from them.<br><br>As a side note, we have no plans to throttle anything, so if anyone is experiencing anything remotely related to this, it would be before it hits our side...  This looks like a load to upgrade planning issue right now with the Bell side of things....<br><br>We would have loved to have given a faster response on this one, but it's still not clear exactly what's going on or where to ask questions as of yet.<br><br>More to come shortly on this matter.<br><br>Rocky<br><small>--<br>TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1521952"><b>QCTLG</b></A> : Whatever the reason was for throttling yesterday or whenever,<br>I'd sure would like to hear someone at TEKSAVVY to comment.<br><br>If you read the whole thread....at the beginning there were alot of people defending that Teksavvy DOES NOT throttle including Teksavvy personnel.<br><br>I haven't seen a comment from a Teksavvy person in a couple of pages since.<br><br>This is about some people having had their bandwidth throttled and I believe they deserve an explanation. Period.<br><br>For myself I have absolutely no problems whatsoever.<br>Oh and BTW..I'm a VERY happy customer of Teksavvy.<br>(In case I get attacked)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  mazhurg <A HREF="/useremail/u/1000066"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Mmmm... where they wrong?<br><br>From what I know of this company, they are one of the few out there that are extremely honest with their customers and is not afraid of calling the shots as they happen, as they already stated a few times in this tread alone.<br> </div>They are. if you refer to the other thread in the canadian broadband forum, this is not due to teksavvy.<br><br>Anyhow its all rumour.<br><br>For all we know it was a glitch in bells throttle or something.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1000066"><b>mazhurg</b></A> : Mmmm... where they wrong?<br><br>From what I know of this company, they are one of the few out there that are extremely honest with their customers and is not afraid of calling the shots as they happen, as they already stated a few times in this tread alone.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  andrewhaji <A HREF="/useremail/u/593899"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>1) It's a little insulting that so many of you immediately called those of us experiencing issues "wrong" and declared that under no circumstances could throttling be involved.  If you look at the facts, clearly something was happening.  I'm interested to hear what TSI has to say about this.  <br>Perhaps a little more respect is in order?  There is no law which states that you are always correct and everyone else is always wrong.<br><br>2) In any case, it seems to have been a localized and temporary issue, as my speeds have returned to normal this morning.<br> </div>I re-arranged your paragraphs a bit, hope you don't mind.  :p easier to comment per point :p<br><br>1) Teksavvy users are militant. Rocky built a brand similar to Apple and it has a following. So anything negative will viciously be attacked.<br><br>However, some teksavvy users swore monkey would fly out their butt before teksavvy applied caps... well we know what happened there... those users needed anal stitches.<br><br>2) Yes your P2P would work properly now. Bell's throttle lasts (if I am not mistaken) till 2-am, and starts around 4ish-pm.<br><br>I noticed users started reporting normal speeds after 2-am. Coincidence? You decide.<br><br>But the times of day & the speed limit all points to a bell throttle. Coincidence? You decide.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/593899"><b>andrewhaji</b></A> : It's a little insulting that so many of you immediately called those of us experiencing issues "wrong" and declared that under no circumstances could throttling be involved.  If you look at the facts, clearly something was happening.  I'm interested to hear what TSI has to say about this.  In any case, it seems to have been a localized and temporary issue, as my speeds have returned to normal this morning.<br><br>Perhaps a little more respect is in order?  There is no law which states that you are always correct and everyone else is always wrong.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1353012"><b>pwnedrice</b></A> : theres nothing wrong with my torrents now...<br>it seemed to be back to about 500kb/s on torrents...<br>but i still think throttling was used]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1527080"><b>MikeA1972</b></A> : No.. I am with Colosseum, and for a couple hours, it was certainly slow with torrents.  I tried 3 different clients, and it was the same.  But like I said, for me any way, in Brantford.. all is well at the moment. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1532600"><b>TheS0urce</b></A> : Why not try a different client? Try using Azureus and see what happens maybe it's you uttorent for some reason?  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1527080"><b>MikeA1972</b></A> : Whatever was happening, seems to have been corrected.  Let's all hope for the best. :)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1529878"><b>Sears</b></A> : Just fired up Azureus to check, no issues over here.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Yes, I am absolutely certain that this isn't due to the source.  I gave details in my initial post.  But to recap the essentials:<br><br>Speed remains absolutely stable regardless of how many different torrents I open - and how many different trackers.  Included in this were exceptionally well-seeded torrents such as Ubuntu, with several hundred seeds.  In spite of the range of trackers, seeds & files, I was maintaining a consistent downstream of 26 k (with just under 1k fluctuation.)  It's virtually impossible for that to happen by chance.  <br><br>And, while this was happing today, I was also on the line with TS tech support who checked out my line stats, etc on their end.  <br><br>Much of my remote work is transmitted via bittorent so this is potentially catastrophic for me.  I hope it's just a one-day event.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1197604"><b>gord27</b></A> : i'm not being throttled but it sure sounds the same as when i was on bell and started getting throttled.<br><br>imo, enough people have commented to say they are being throttled so unless there is some big conspiracy going on we definitely have teksavvy being throttled.<br><br>i'm sure they are looking into this as soon as possible.  sadly it's the long weekend.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/646748"><b>Angelo_</b></A> : are you sure the end your downloading from isn't limited?<br><br>on p2p most of my downloads are 300kb (3meg line)<br><br>i get 1 or 2 taht are 20kb bc of thhe other end or poorly seeded torrents...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/867851"><b>thm655321</b></A> : No throttling here.  Midtown TO.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Well I'm relieved to see it's real and that I'm not alone.  <br><br>Of course, relieved does not equal happy.<br><br>About 1AM my speed shot up to a blazing 56k!  <br><br>I'm near East York for those who are trying to map this out. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/640660"><b>JayMan</b></A> : Many People???]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/593899"><b>andrewhaji</b></A> : Clearly this seems to be a localized issue.  But the fact is that it is real, and happening to many people.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1526081"><b>InvalidError</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  andrewhaji <A HREF="/useremail/u/593899"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>You seem to be stuck right around where I'm stuck at right now.  I'm bouncing between 25 KB/s and 30 KB/s.  Never any higher, never any less.<br> </div>Over my first weeks of TSI, my torrents downloaded at 3.5Mbps (WRT/Tomato 4h graph peak) with speedtest at 4.0-4.2Mbps fairly often but tonight, until about an hour ago, I was hitting a ceiling around 2Mbps with speedtest scoring around 2.5Mbps on a 5Mbps sync. Right now, my torrents are on a roller-coaster between 2Mbps to 3.5Mbps.<br><br>I'm not getting the speeds I would expect from my full-speed sync but at least my speeds are not pathologically degraded during peak hours... yet. Since I fear that Bell may f*ck it up good (like re-mapping my DSL loop to the CO) if I ask TSI to open a ticket, I'll wait until it gets worse before I start complaining.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/640660"><b>JayMan</b></A> : I don't see an issue.  Downloading Open Suse.  Image 1  Graph at 1 sec  Image 2 Graph at 5 sec.<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20200148?c=1288811&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDIxOTUyMi54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="217313 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=365 SRC="/r0/download/1288811.thumb600~22577d66c09b8888f646ef0847007ab3/snap0179.jpg/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20200148?c=1288812&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDIxOTUyMi54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="201887 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=366 SRC="/r0/download/1288812.thumb600~81a240eb444c81e28a4ff48e86b12787/snap0180.jpg/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/223795"><b>smoki</b></A> : speed is picking up...<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20200143?c=1288810&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDIxOTUyMi54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="87297 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=344 SRC="/r0/download/1288810.thumb600~e64102e42fe6602975b857183a4d3afd/lost2.PNG/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/223795"><b>smoki</b></A> : I thought I'd try Lost, it seems like i'm not affected yet...<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20200124?c=1288807&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDIxOTUyMi54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="85898 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=344 SRC="/r0/download/1288807.thumb600~b5b68757e06baae6b1a2bb65546168ae/lost.PNG/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1212082"><b>davidbrown</b></A> : Likely if this is the case of whats happening then they are starting slowly and then reach out and cover the rest.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : "At least there's IRC ... I'd like to see what TSI has to say about it all though ..."<br><br>funny you should mention that because I was just looking through some right now. The speeds are fine on it, getting around 250 kb/s. its no 400 but itll do for now.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1212082"><b>davidbrown</b></A> : Just chatted with a few buddies and it the same thing is happening on Colosseum too.<br><br>I think we have gone past flux here.<br><br>Or ^ what he said states it better...lol.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 00:20:01 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1527080"><b>MikeA1972</b></A> : Yup me too.. and I am on a different ISP.. (no not Bell).. just started tonight.  This bloody sucks. ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 00:16:54 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1522014"><b>Radar73</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by babaganush :</small><br><br>man...i was planning on catching up on Lost tonight.....<br> </div>At least there's IRC ... I'd like to see what TSI has to say about it all though ...]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 00:12:36 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : man...i was planning on catching up on Lost tonight.....]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 00:07:56 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1212082"><b>davidbrown</b></A> : I doubt TekSavvy  is doing this but it seems a little more then odd that this same speed behavior is showing up on the the wholesale dsl providers at the same time.<br><br>One or two seeing it  maybe but the same exact speed bell does makes one go hmmmmmmmmmmm.<br><br>Guess it would make sense for bell to do so to prevent people from leaving and you can be sure they have the contracts worded in such a way to get away with it.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 00:01:25 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1522014"><b>Radar73</b></A> : So nice to be throttled again.  Maybe ROCKY didn't read the fine print in his SLO with Bell.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:57:10 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1182430"><b>BozoTheCl0wn</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  sMURF <A HREF="/useremail/u/1442410"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>Not really, since TekSavvy isn't throttling anything.<br><br>Think about it, one of the core reasons why TekSavvy continues to grow is because they do not throttle anything. If one day they implemented some sort of throttling system, their reputation would be destroyed, and people would probably leave TekSavvy in droves.<br><br>I sure hope Bell isn't throttling wholesalers like TekSavvy. I can't even see that as being legal.<br> </div>I meant in the sense that they were telling the OP it was impossible etc.  I don't doubt TS at all but it was confirmed in another forum that nexxia is doing this so it is in deed happening.  Can't wait to see something official from TS on this.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/593899"><b>andrewhaji</b></A> : You seem to be stuck right around where I'm stuck at right now.  I'm bouncing between 25 KB/s and 30 KB/s.  Never any higher, never any less.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:31:46 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1517026"><b>Ank14</b></A> : I am not saying Teksavvy is throttling but I mean i have never seen my download speeds the way they are right now since I have been with them... so something is up.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:29:15 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1442410"><b>sMURF</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  BozoTheCl0wn <A HREF="/useremail/u/1182430"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Some people are going to owe the OP an apology ;)<br><br>Seems he was right after all.<br> </div>Not really, since TekSavvy isn't throttling anything.<br><br>Think about it, one of the core reasons why TekSavvy continues to grow is because they do not throttle anything. If one day they implemented some sort of throttling system, their reputation would be destroyed, and people would probably leave TekSavvy in droves.<br><br>I sure hope Bell isn't throttling wholesalers like TekSavvy. I can't even see that as being legal.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Hmm...<br><br>I've been on with TS support several times today trying do figure out why my line <i>appears</i> to be throttled.  From around 4:30 this afternoon utorrent suddenly plunged to 56k for a while and finally dug in at 26k.  And it's a near-perfect 26k - within 1 k, regardless of the number of torrents I open or the number of trackers.  I tried adding Ubuntu with hundreds of seeds & I'm still maxing out at a pathetic 26 k!  (Upstream is also fixed at 26k.)<br><br>I know that TS does not throttle.  I know it should be impossible for Bell to throttle me TS account.  Yet I can't come up with anything that would cause this exact performance other than some sort of throttling.<br><br>Just to rule out some of the obvious suggestions:  <br><br>*   I get the exact same performance with the SpeedTouch 516v6 (in both regular <i>and</i> bridge mode!) and a SpeedStream 5200 (both with a router, and connected directly to the computer.)  That's two modems in four configurations giving me identical results.  <br><br>*   I've tried limiting torrents and also adding more torrents from different trackers.  I've tried restricting connections & unrestricting, limiting & unlimiting upload & download bandwidth - nothing affects the overall maximum attainable speed!<br><br>*   My line stats are good - and TS see them as good.<br><br>* Non-torrent activity seems completely unaffected - normal speeds for browsing & direct downloads.  <br><br>*   uTorrent properly configured.  (And it it plunged from full speed mid-transfer without my making any changes so that kinda rules out any fiddling with the app.)<br><br>*   I've scanned the computer, drives, re-booted several times. <br><br>*   I'm hard-wired, wireless is turned off on both router & notebook. <br><br>Since this <i>throttling effect</i> began, I've had a few very brief windows of normalized speed - twice at full (normal) speeds, and a few more where it seems to climb to about 56k for 10 - 20 minutes, only to settle back to ~26k again afterward.<br><br>Finally, in the past few days I've had difficulty with timeouts from various trackers.  This is absolutely not a matter of the trackers going offline as it happens to multiple torrents (from different trackers) simultaneously.  It has not, until now, directly affected my speeds.  It may or may not have anything to do with this current issue.  <br><br>I've included a grab of my uTorrent grid.  This is after about 90 uninterrupted, running 9 different files (served by at least 12 trackers)  One of those files is Ubuntu with several hundred seeds available. <br><br>I'm completely stumped, not to mention extremely frustrated. <div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20199824?c=1288781&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDIxOTUyMi54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="56613 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=133 SRC="/r0/download/1288781.thumb600~fa652506f081e56d79ec9cc5645fc0db/TS - Utorren5.JPG/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1517026"><b>Ank14</b></A> : well something is defiantly wrong because my torrent speeds are ridiculously low.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/818722"><b>andyb</b></A> : It was the client causing the problem.Probably screwing up plug and play or something but as I know the customer is never wrong so it would'nt have anything to do with a software failure or something along those lines.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1182430"><b>BozoTheCl0wn</b></A> : Some people are going to owe the OP an apology ;)<br><br>Seems he was right after all.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/593899"><b>andrewhaji</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by justa thought :</small><br><br>I don't want you to give up your anoniminity of where you live, but if you feel this is the case and you state the area you are in maybe others in your immediate area, hopefully the same c/o, can confirm that this is happening to them as well. The more info the better.<br> </div>Sure, I live in Toronto, around the Ossington subway station.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1517026"><b>Ank14</b></A> : hmm... seems im being limited to under 50 KB/s right now... This is very odd.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/593899"><b>andrewhaji</b></A> : Yeah, there are some clients which are better at beating throttling than others, but the major thing here is that we shouldn't HAVE to be worrying about throttling.  TekSavvy's main selling point for MANY users is the fact that there is no throttling, and if Bell is forcing throttling down resellers' throats, then there's a problem here.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : andrewhaji, if this is indeed whats happening, it would be area specific as the institute it.<br><br>I don't want you to give up your anoniminity of where you live, but if you feel this is the case and you state the area you are in maybe others in your immediate area, hopefully the same c/o, can confirm that this is happening to them as well. The more info the better.<br><br>I just looked though this topic and it seems you are not alone... and with the other topic in the canadian Broadband forum going... well... it does stink.<br><br>Maybe a teksavvy employee can confirm/deny?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/818722"><b>andyb</b></A> : A person has had his problem resolved using bt by using another client yesterday.It happened he was using BC also and his downloads were crawling too.He went to azereus and speeds were normal again.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1182430"><b>BozoTheCl0wn</b></A> : I wonder if even legal???]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/593899"><b>andrewhaji</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by justa thought :</small><br><br>Maybe this is whats happening:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r20191279-Nexxia-throttling">Nexxia throttling?</A><br> </div>This looks like it could be EXACTLY what is happening.  This really, really stinks.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/593899"><b>andrewhaji</b></A> : I just ran a speed test, and it comes in normal...<br><br>4276 kbps/630 kbps<br><br>This speed weirdness is only happening with BitTorrent.  I've tried it with various different torrents, so it's not just an isolated thing.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Maybe this is whats happening:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r20191279-Nexxia-throttling">Nexxia throttling?</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/593899"><b>andrewhaji</b></A> : Well, I just restarted my router, and here's what happened...<br><br>I started up my torrent.  It went up to around 200 KB/s, stayed there for a few seconds, then immediately jumped back down to around 27 KB/s.  It's staying there now.<br><br>This is very, very curious.  I don't want to start pointing fingers but something very strange is going on here...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/593899"><b>andrewhaji</b></A> : Just want to chime in on the subject.  Right now my BitTorrent speeds are far lower than they have ever been on TekSavvy.  Not sure what's going on, but I'm going to try reconnecting to see if being on a different ERX makes any difference.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:54:27 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1182430"><b>BozoTheCl0wn</b></A> : So are you saying that Bell is throttling Teksavvy users?  Not impossible I suppose since the traffic goes through their network but you would think Teksavvy would know about it...  I'd like to see what Rocky and co think about this.  The pattern is the same as when Sympatico did it.  A few people notice it, everybody else thinks they are crazy until it starts happening to them too.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:40:12 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1119722"><b>RogersLite</b></A> : i got no problems with this either 350kb/s as we speak :P<br>i think it depends<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20199488?c=1288760&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDIxOTUyMi54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="220576 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=480 SRC="/r0/download/1288760.thumb600~e06d061a77a7bde916b8a91163029d41/Untitled-1.jpg/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:38:15 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/965530"><b>s49</b></A> : <br>So uhh, I jsut spoke to a mate that works with Bell, apparently they're progressively going area by area in re: to throttling between a certain time, like 6pm - 2am.<br><br>I didn't notice it until this evening when my usual 430KB/s is now averaging at most, 30KB/s lol.<br><br>I'll put in a call to someone at TS and see if they can check it out as well, even though I read what Rocky and other TS techs mentioned so far.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:34:01 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1353012"><b>pwnedrice</b></A> : yeah...>.><br>so much for switching out of Bell...this throttling thing seemed to follow me.............]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:03:30 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/904845"><b>ForeverBlind</b></A> : <A HREF="http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=78494302hx2.jpg"> <IMG SRC="http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/6351/78494302hx2.th.jpg"> </a><br><br>Yup....definitely on your end.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:47:28 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/540225"><b>daboom</b></A> : No probs here definately something on your end dude.<br><br>and it just finished.<br><small>--<br>Come join us on EFNET irc.dks.ca #teksavvy for live chat :)</small><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20198717?c=1288699&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDIxOTUyMi54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="283461 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=375 SRC="/r0/download/1288699.thumb600~f6c9004120b733fa73777139b3d12117/torrent.JPG/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A><br>2 mins in downloadin torrent</TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20198717?c=1288700&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDIxOTUyMi54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="255342 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=375 SRC="/r0/download/1288700.thumb600~5a7efc1c971fa5be1083cb7a4856abdf/torrent2.JPG/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A><br>after 5 mins</TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:39:59 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/904845"><b>ForeverBlind</b></A> : <A HREF="http://img229.imageshack.us/my.php?image=84966078jp1.jpg"> <IMG SRC="http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/4032/84966078jp1.th.jpg"> </a>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:35:12 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1509403"><b>Cybrspin</b></A> : start all 3 torrents too, cant judge anything from one torrent on a public tracker, ive seen 20000 seeds and only getting 5k a sec for weeks on a 10mb line. lol]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:32:42 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/904845"><b>ForeverBlind</b></A> : Not enough leachers there...there is no one to download from you  :p]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:30:24 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1353012"><b>pwnedrice</b></A> : <A HREF="http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=84865998ey4.jpg"> <IMG SRC="http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/4684/84865998ey4.th.jpg"> </a><br><br>heres the Open Office torrent, and yes its from their own BitTorrent servers so thats considered private enough?<br><br>still the same speed...<br>ill shut off the modem and router to see if anything goes back to normal]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:24:43 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1528458"><b>mandrews4</b></A> : Just 'cause you're getting slow link speed doesn't mean the problem is Teksavvy.<br><br>I live in a condo in downtown Toronto and for the past several months, my DL speed was 1.7Mbps.<br><br>Bell kept on telling me the DL speed was due to my distance from the CO until recently. A few weeks ago, another Bell tech told me that my location wasn't so far from the CO, and my DL speed had been capped to avoid repeated link drops.<br><br>They paid a visit a few days later, replaced some existing cable with a fiber optic link and dropped the cap. My DL speed is now 6.5Mbps, and it was no fault of Teksavvy.<br><br>I don't deal with Teksavvy tech support much, since problems are rare.<br><br>The few times I have dealt with them, I've found them to be much more technically aware and accurate than Bell and the other ISPs I've tried]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:15:58 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/904845"><b>ForeverBlind</b></A> : You can't judge torrent speeds by public trackers. Find a good private tracker and then test it.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:10:29 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1532600"><b>TheS0urce</b></A> : Here's my snap shot of torrent download. <div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20198547?c=1288695&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDIxOTUyMi54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="89303 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=480 SRC="/r0/download/1288695.thumb600~4691f417399a28fbe570f3b9143c0efb/snapshot4.jpg/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:10:07 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1509403"><b>Cybrspin</b></A> : your only connected to 19 seeds on a public tracker, be happy to get 20k has nothing to do with throttling]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:00:54 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1353012"><b>pwnedrice</b></A> : if you actually bothered to look at my screenshot...its uTorrent -_-]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:46:27 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1532600"><b>TheS0urce</b></A> : NO throttling here slowest was around 100 and fastest was almost 400k.  If there was throttling my downloads wouldn't be that fast.  If you are using crappy bitcomet it maybe the reason since some trackers and torrent clients block bitcomet users.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:37:40 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1353012"><b>pwnedrice</b></A> : ummm...are you sure??<br>my torrents are being throttled right now...and im positive that there is nothing wrong with my DL/UL speeds right now:<br><A HREF="http://speedtest.dslreports.com"><IMG SRC="http://www.dslreports.com/im/47910774/14309.png" border=0></a><br><br><A HREF="http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotfp0.jpg"> <IMG SRC="http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/580/screenshotfp0.th.jpg"> </a><br><br>my ports are not blocked, my download speed was just stuck in the 20s...but about 3pm this afternoon, i had about 200+ kb/s on torrents