  The Flash You don't win friends with salad Premium join:2002-10-17 Toronto, ON | reply to curiousgeorge Re: Update on throttling issue...
said by curiousgeorge :
I am wondering if Bell explained to you why they are doing this? because Bell can't handle the bandwidth requirements of their users or business clients. |
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 gi1010
join:2006-09-22 Montreal, QC
1 edit | reply to GoogleFreak said by GoogleFreak :What's the point of having unlimited with throttling there is no way you'll go over 200 gigs. Pay $4/month for TekSavvy static IP, and use it to download from TekSavvy usenet cap at 1Mbps ... For sure you can easily pass the 200GB/month with 1Mbps download cap.
If you want more then subscribe to the premium newsgroup provider ... you can download at your max download speed 5Mbps... and it can be easily pass 700GB/month. |
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  Guspaz Guspaz Premium,MVM join:2001-11-05 Montreal, QC
·Colbanet
| said by gi1010 :said by GoogleFreak :What's the point of having unlimited with throttling there is no way you'll go over 200 gigs. Pay $4/month for TekSavvy static IP, and use it to download from TekSavvy usenet cap at 1Mbps ... For sure you can easily pass the 200GB/month with 1Mbps download cap. If you want more then subscribe to the premium newsgroup provider then you can download at your max download speed 5Mbps... and it can be easily pass 700GB/month. Word has it NNTP is throttled too. |
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  NeoStylez Cheers
join:2008-02-10 Peterborough, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Rogers Hi-Speed
·Cogeco Cable
·Look Communications
| said by Guspaz :said by gi1010 :said by GoogleFreak :What's the point of having unlimited with throttling there is no way you'll go over 200 gigs. Pay $4/month for TekSavvy static IP, and use it to download from TekSavvy usenet cap at 1Mbps ... For sure you can easily pass the 200GB/month with 1Mbps download cap. If you want more then subscribe to the premium newsgroup provider then you can download at your max download speed 5Mbps... and it can be easily pass 700GB/month. Word has it NNTP is throttled too. i have also read this somewhere. we will have to see how this pans out for usenet |
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 chrish
join:2007-02-19 Ottawa, ON | reply to gi1010 I typically only use 100gb/month
For me its not even the downloads -- Its unethical of bell, and I want the speed when I want it, not when bell says so |
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 gi1010
join:2006-09-22 Montreal, QC
| reply to Guspaz said by Guspaz :said by gi1010 : Word has it NNTP is throttled too. Not sure about third party ISP... I used Newsgroup everyday with Bell Sympatico and never been throttled...
May be they used other P2P apps while downloading from newsgroup at the same time, that trigger the full throttle. |
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  NeoStylez Cheers
join:2008-02-10 Peterborough, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Rogers Hi-Speed
·Cogeco Cable
·Look Communications
| said by gi1010 :said by Guspaz :said by gi1010 : Word has it NNTP is throttled too. Not sure about third party ISP... I used Newsgroup everyday with Bell Sympatico and never been throttled... May be they used other P2P apps while downloading from newsgroup at the same time, that trigger the full throttle. makes sence. |
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  Mersault
join:2007-10-26 Toronto, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to R0CKY My letter to the CRTC:
To Whom It May Concern,
Over the weekend it came to light that Bell Canada has seen fit to begin unilaterally throttling the data transiting their wholesale Bell Nexxia network. They have effectively dictated the service that all third party ISP's may offer to their customers. Worst of all, they did so without notifying their wholesale partners.
I am an employee of Primus Canada, and my DSL service was installed by Primus Canada. My contract and all communications happens with Primus Canada. And yet Primus is finding that my internet traffic is throttled even before it reaches the Primus network!
This is affecting more than just the minority of heavy downloading users. I use my internet connection primarily for VoIP telephone service, and find my call quality has deteriorated drastically since Bell began throttling wholesale Nexxia traffic. It's bad enough that my VoIP phone is now basically unusable. This leaves me with no way of calling my own mother, unless I want to spend exorbitant amounts of money on mobile long distance charges. Or get Bell Home Phone.
Bell will of course argue that the traffic they are throttling is 'illegitimate.' But the technology they are using to distinguish what traffic to throttle has no way of knowing what is legitimate traffic. CBC has just recently started releasing CBC shows to Canadians using the BitTorrent system, which is throttled by Bell. I use a screen saver called 'Electric Sheep' that uses the BitTorrent system to communicate with other users of the Electric Sheep screen saver in order to perform calculations (similar to the SETI@Home system).
I regularly download copies of Linux and BSD and updates to my existing Linux and BSD systems using BitTorrent. Dozens of applications use BitTorrent to distribute updates, because it reduces the burden on the application developer immensely, while making the download arrive faster for their users.
All of this completely legitimate traffic is being caught by the Bell traffic shaper. They are interfering with my legitimate traffic, and no amount of protestation on their part will change that fact.
It's worth noting that Bell still gets money each month for the DSL service I purchased from Primus. I'm even in a position to know that it's more than half the money I pay to Primus, even though Primus is the one that actually bears the burden and expense for any downloading or uploading I may actually do. Bell merely routes the traffic around their own network.
This is a blatantly anti-competitive move by Bell Canada. Their own service is terrible, and they have been losing customers to companies like TekSavvy, Primus, and Electronic Box. Rather than compete with these companies on service, quality, or any other quality that customers might appreciate, Bell has decided it's easier to just force everyone else to offer the same poor service Bell does!
Please see to it that this issue gets prompt attention.
Sincerely, Me
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  fiestaware
join:2008-01-07 | Well-worded, Mersault. |
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 lowlevel
join:2008-02-27 Woodbridge, ON
1 edit | reply to aver Re: Profit over Quality.
Thats exactly right. Bell is always thinking three to ten steps ahead, about how to change the rules to screw everyone over/make a load of cash... WITHOUT upgrading any equipment or spending any of the money they steal from all of us, directly or indirectly. Well... I guess they had to spend money on whatever solution they're using to thottle us :/ |
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  Guspaz Guspaz Premium,MVM join:2001-11-05 Montreal, QC | reply to gi1010 Re: Update on throttling issue...
If it's not, then that's another possible avenue of attack; masquerading TCP over NNTP. |
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  NeoStylez Cheers
join:2008-02-10 Peterborough, ON | reply to Mersault very well said. Mersault |
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 chrish
join:2007-02-19 Ottawa, ON | reply to R0CKY I created a facebook group called:
Stop Bell From Throttling DSL Resellers
Feel free to join, lets get this internet/blog train rolling. |
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  mazhurg Premium join:2004-05-02 Portage La Prairie, MB
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·MTS
| reply to koreyb So, by doing that is BCE now admiting that they are not a common carrier?
Sympatico as an ISP may have the right to control their environment, but should BCE as a telecommunication company (they sell bandwith, not content)has the right to monitor content on everybody?
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  j3richo
join:2007-12-08 Gatineau, QC
·Acanac
·Videotron
| reply to R0CKY I don't understand why the legality of this is so ambigious. Surely the ISPs must have some clause in the contract with Bell that explicitly states whether they are allowed to throttle connections, it seems weird to me that this would not be clearly addressed in the contracts |
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  Sukunai
@bell.ca
| reply to R0CKY I'm assuming my post will get lost in all the current "noise" on the thread.
But unless Bell goes PAST throttling P2P and torrents, I don't much give a damn.
Bittorrent is indeed a fine program and a nice methodology, but I only use torrents to download a minor slice of over all monthly bandwidth.
Oh no, my anime fansubs are at risk!! I'll just grab them in a slice of daylight no one wants. It doesn't need to be the middle of peak time.
I'm left to wonder, are you guys all using torrents for downloading everything? I shudder just thinking of downloading a dvd as a torrent (yuck, how 20th century sounding).
All I want out of my service is fast easy newsgroup functionality.
I have heard that Voip usage is being adversely affected though. |
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  Guspaz Guspaz Premium,MVM join:2001-11-05 Montreal, QC
·Colbanet
| I download HD content over BitTorrent. I even buy at least one of my TV shows (Sanctuary), although that isn't BT.
To me, my net connection is the only hardwired connection coming into my house. It provides internet service, TV service, telephone service, newspaper service, everything.
If they only throttle BT, I don't mind much. I'll fight it, but I'm not crippled. I'll find workarounds or alternatives. If they're also going to throttle everything else (such as everything encrypted), then I have serious issues with it. |
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 Liftow
join:2007-08-09
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to chrish Well, the news is grim indeed - start writing letters friends, CRTC, MP, and any other agency you can think of...perhaps someone should compile a relevant list...feel free to post your anger at the official Bell Facebook profile...
»www.facebook.com/pages/Bell-Cana···17?ref=s |
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  Doci Toothless Fairy
join:2003-02-01
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to R0CKY R0CKY , did you tell them how their Business users are not throttled at all? -- Hail PPPoE! | Discover H-FSC! |
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 GoogleFreak
join:2008-03-25 Etobicoke, ON
| reply to Sukunai Yes I use torrents a lot. I download linux distros with torrent. I like to test snapshots on a weekly basis. Bittorent offers movies I can buy and download!!!! Gigs!!!!!! I like to seed a lot for linux distros, help with the bandwidth.
Torrents is the future especially with open source! |
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