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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1540809"><b>Name96</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  DrXenon <A HREF="/useremail/u/1432673"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>My Vonage VOIP is also throttled and is unusable during peak hours.</div>Better hope you never need your Vonage 911 service.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/835558"><b>matradley</b></A> : I have been trying to see if anyone found that the National Labour Union is pushing the CRTC on this issue - &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/03/28/tech-netneutrality.html" >www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008&middot;&middot;&middot;ity.html</A> .]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:45:43 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1184750"><b>iconfat</b></A> : I wasn't throttled yesterday.<br>I just tested it now, and I'm throttled.  I'm on the premium package in Etobicoke Ontario.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:33:46 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1195536"><b>TOPDAWG</b></A> : Well I've yet to have any issue with this yet so it's not in my area yet.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:22:53 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1353012"><b>pwnedrice</b></A> : uhhh...guys i think im dreaming...<br>but my speeds are above 50kb/s on uTorrent...did something happen??]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:22:20 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1432673"><b>DrXenon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Scrappy2 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1490536"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>so its only bt thats effected by throttling then? nothing else in any way shape or form?<br> </div>My Vonage VOIP is also throttled and is unusable during peak hours.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:10:37 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1540613"><b>patyeon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Scrappy2 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1490536"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>so its only bt thats effected by throttling then? nothing else in any way shape or form?<br> </div>No, anything encrypted is also throttled. That is very important, especially to those of us who rely on encrypted connections to be able to connect to other computers we own/administrate/work with.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:54:51 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1471971"><b>DSL_Ricer</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Grounded <A HREF="/useremail/u/1511627"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br> Around 5:00 AM I was finishing up a couple of extremely well-seeded files @510 - 520k download.  When the connection returned I was maxing out at 440 <i>precisely</i>.  It's as if someone has imposed a totally reasonable cap.  I tested several times today (up to 4:30, of course,) and always plateaued at 440k.  It's far from catastrophic, but kinda weird.  Could this be an inadvertent effect of the upgrade?  <br> </div>Have you actually checked the modem sync speed? It's quite possible that your profile was lowered.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:36:36 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1511627"><b>Grounded</b></A> : First let me make it clear: I know the difference between the Bell throttling and the problem I'm about to describe.  I have been experiencing the Bell throttling since it first occurred on Thursday.  This is something different though I'd still gladly blame it on Bell.<br><br>Here goes:<br><br>As of the network upgrade last night my max download has dropped significantly.  Though I rarely max out torrent speeds, this week has has been an exception - taking advantage of the hours we're given.  ;)  Around 5:00 AM I was finishing up a couple of extremely well-seeded files @510 - 520k download.  When the connection returned I was maxing out at 440 <i>precisely</i>.  It's as if someone has imposed a totally reasonable cap.  I tested several times today (up to 4:30, of course,) and always plateaued at 440k.  It's far from catastrophic, but kinda weird.  Could this be an inadvertent effect of the upgrade?  <br><br>And yep, I did try rebooting, resetting my modem, etc.  It's consistent.  ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:43:26 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><b>Guspaz</b></A> : If you were throttled, and more than BT is affected, you would be seeing no more than 60KB/s. The mere fact you're seeing faster speeds means that your problems are unrelated.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:33:18 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1490536"><b>Scrappy2</b></A> : so its only bt thats effected by throttling then? nothing else in any way shape or form?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:16:36 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/978831"><b>The Wave</b></A> : "Would the fecal matter impact the rotary oscillator?"<br><br>hahah that's a good one ... and the answer is yes. ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:07:27 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><b>Guspaz</b></A> : Scrappy2: Those issues are unrelated to throttling.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:02:19 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1490536"><b>Scrappy2</b></A> : I personally don't use torrents that often but i do use usenet and surf webpages.Both these have been effected the last week or so.<br>My speeds on usenet have fallen from 600kb/s to 200kb/s <br>(i can barely break 200kb/s)<br>webpages now time out don't load all the time now if even with all dnlding progs off.<br>I've rebooted everything all three comps and have the same outcome.<br> ps I should have also said that bt has slowed down to to a crawl ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:48:52 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1533109"><b>warren</b></A> : Ok, what about RDP?  Since it's "encrypted", it's throttled aswell, which makes it unusable.<br><br>This isn't "just" throttling p2p.  They seem to be throttling any encrypted traffic.  VPN's would be another example.  If I need to work from home, and in order to do that, I need to VPN in.  They're throttling my connection to 30k/s because they "ASS-U-ME" I'm using encryption to bypass p2p blocks, when infact, I'm using it to secure a connection to my work.<br><br>Their system is faulty, and they shouldn't be throttling wholesalers anyway.  It's not their data.  As I've said before, this should be grounds for them to lose their Common Carrier status, and then they can have fun with the flood of lawsuits, since they appear to want to police their network.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:26:34 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1465357"><b>hockeynomad</b></A> : so run your torrents overnight.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:42:52 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1352959"><b>Trisomy21</b></A> :  <IMG SRC="http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u150/Trisomy21_photo/TSI.jpg"> <br><br>The new TSI logo, I actually made it quite a while back :D]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:39:25 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1508357"><b>nanook</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Arbalister <A HREF="/useremail/u/1506059"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>so they choke off 50% of the feed to Scarboro</div>Actually in Bell's case they are "choking off the feed" by 90% to 95%. (From the normal 300+kB/s down to 30kB/s.) ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:06:18 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1506059"><b>Arbalister</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by aaannon :</small><br><br>First when I joined TSI I was told that TSI won't throttle the line. My idea was TSI just rent the infrastructure or copper wire. Now it turns out that it's not what it is.<br><br>I guess the only difference right now between Bell and TSI is price and cap. Nothing else.<br> </div>That's exactly what it is.  TSI rents the infratructure and copper.  That's whats foul about this - Bell has unilaterally altered the agreement about what TSI rents from them.  Look at this from another angle...you can buy natural gas for your home from several suppliers out there.  All the suppliers use Enbridge's network of gas distribution lines.  Now, after years of operating this way, Enbridge decides that everyone in Scarboro uses too much gas between 5 pm and 2 am in the winter months, so they choke off 50% of the feed to Scarboro.<br><br>Would the fecal matter impact the rotary oscillator?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:44:59 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1538279"><b>cacruden</b></A> : If I upgrade to the ADSL ($99/month) line and then Bell has to remove the shaping from the lines - I wonder if I can sue them since the only reason I would get it is to solve a problem they created (including installation cost of course).]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:51:06 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Thanks Rocky, for the update, and thanks for the earlier advice on dsl modems...I have a lovely $20 used 2wire here that works better than my $60 ovislink ever did, even when new. <br><br>I've been a big fan & customer of teksavvy for over a year now, but was only able to get the actual 5M service from you guys at the end of Feb after I moved from a lousy area. So I noticed a big jump in download speeds 4 weeks ago, and couldn't understand why recent downloads started fast, and then slowed to a crawl, similar to the way my old rogers account behaved. Until I read Prof. Geist's blog last night about this issue, I'd been blaming the seeds/leechers, thinking it was fast only at first while I was catching up to what was available...<br><br>This has got to be the basis of a class-action suit I think, against Bell AND Rogers, with expert, well-respected companies like teksavvy in the lead. It is anti-competitive, false advertising (they advertise 5M; actively ensure we don't get it), etc. Yes, it might take a year, two years, or more, but leaving it to the pro-business lawmakers in Canada will ensure that better laws preventing throttling never get passed.<br><br>Sorry corporate-liars: I download-and-compile a fair amount because I rebuild computers destined for the landfill, and give them to the poor...so that means a lot of LEGAL downloading of Linux and FOSS applications.<br><br>Perhaps we should be looking at mesh-type central nodes for Internet and asterisk-based phone services? <br><br>I'm with you, Rocky!!! <br><br>Loyal customer<br><br>P.S. When I moved, Bell almost prevented me from taking my Teksavvy account with me; before I moved I was proud NOT to have any Bell account and used a dry-loop, for phone service through an asterisk-based provider. Now I had to get a Bell landline phone in order to enable a wet-loop dsl service, as Bell tried to tell me and Teksavvy that dsl simply wasn't available here in a well-established Toronto neighbourhood.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:44:01 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1440434"><b>chrish</b></A> : Look like Rocky made it to the register (theregister.com)]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:27:45 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by chronoss2008 :</small><br><br>A) better techsupport<br>B) every peep you get signed up give em your ID and name and you get 1$/month<br>C) in time i know rocky and the other 3rd party ISPS will and are building there own networks.<br>D) they offer phone service in my area so i calculated what me leaving bell has cost BELL<br>1160$ /month<br>or 13,920$<br>17 people to teksavvy<br>including myself <br>and me dropping everything bell as well as my father.<br> </div>Why are you dropping your father?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:26:47 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/700598"><b>Last Parade</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  matradley <A HREF="/useremail/u/835558"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I will be leaving Bell as soon as my contract is up in June - then it is off to Teksavvy. Luckily, I get to start doing the cancellation process in May (30 days prior to the end of contract) so that I can leave Bell without a charge. :)<br> </div>Right, you're leaving Bell for Bell. They're still making $21.50/month off you.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:11:20 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/835558"><b>matradley</b></A> : I will be leaving Bell as soon as my contract is up in June - then it is off to Teksavvy. Luckily, I get to start doing the cancellation process in May (30 days prior to the end of contract) so that I can leave Bell without a charge. :)]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:50:02 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : A) better techsupport<br>B) every peep you get signed up give em your ID and name and you get 1$/month<br>C) in time i know rocky and the other 3rd party ISPS will and are building there own networks.<br>D) they offer phone service in my area so i calculated what me leaving bell has cost BELL<br>1160$ /month<br>or 13,920$<br>17 people to teksavvy<br>including myself <br>and me dropping everything bell as well as my father.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:01:07 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : In a Bell submittal to the CRTC in regards to the "possibility that it might institute throttling and thereby directly affect their services."<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.crtc.gc.ca/public/8740/2003/b2/6767/031201.doc" >www.crtc.gc.ca/public/8740/2003/&middot;&middot;&middot;1201.doc</A><br><br><i>5.&#9;At paragraph 2, MNSi alleges that implementation of tunnel switching will affect the achievable throughput depending on the number of end-users associated with a particular tunnel switch.  In response, the Company notes that the Peak Information Rate (PIR) associated with PVCs will be eliminated when an ISP is converted to the tunnel switching architecture.  In this manner, the throughput will be determined by the customer's user network interface (UNI) access circuit capacity rather than the Peak Information Rate (PIR) setting.  Of course, Bell Canada reserves the right to implement a PIR rate in cases of troubleshooting or to protect the network infrastructure from congestion resulting from malfunctioning or mis-configured equipment or malicious hacking.</i><br><br>M. Geist responds:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2787/125/" >www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2787/125/</A><br><br><i>The new throttling system has nothing to do with troubleshooting, malfunctioning equipment, or malicious hacking, but rather involves speed limits for a particular class of traffic.  Moreover, for months Bell has been installing "deep packet inspection" capabilities into its network.  Sources advise that the company was regularly asked about its intentions and that it consistently assured ISPs that throttling would not apply to wholesale services.</i><br><br> :p<br><br>Keep your letters going to Industry canada and the CRTC]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 06:32:39 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1535240"><b>GKC</b></A> : The CRTC must <i>never</i> allow deregulation of Bell Canada for as long as Bell exists.  The CRTC should implement <i>full</i> and <i>complete</i> regulation of Bell Canada, in light of Bell Canada's most recent sneaky, under-handedness to throttle third-party wholesalers and their customers.  <br><br>The CRTC deregulated certains aspects of Bell Canada August 2007 giving Bell too much freedom in the playground.  The CRTC must over-rule their previous decision to include full and complete regulation of Bell Canada.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 06:15:56 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1433477"><b>NBomb</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by aaannon :</small><br><br>I guess the only difference right now between Bell and TSI is price and cap. Nothing else.</div>Naw man, you won't find better service anywhere this side of a posh hotel. Come for the connection, stay for the service!]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:19:10 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : First when I joined TSI I was told that TSI won't throttle the line. My idea was TSI just rent the infrastructure or copper wire. Now it turns out that it's not what it is.<br><br>The throttling has nothing to do with me because I'm a newsgroup guy. I don't do any P2P at all (slow). I still don't feel easy enough because Bell still controlling my data.<br><br>I guess the only difference right now between Bell and TSI is price and cap. Nothing else.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:37:21 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : sorry if this has already been seen, but posting anyway :-)<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/03/26/bell_canada_chokes_third_party_isps/" >www.theregister.co.uk/2008/03/26&middot;&middot;&middot;ty_isps/</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/774850"><b>varius</b></A> : What is really missing is the network data from Bell...<br><br>If they really have to set the throttling to "heavy" because everything is crumbling, then just admit you have to set the thing more dynamically and update your network, but, please, sound more real. Make us believe and we will understand and even help!<br><br>If the network is not that close to crash and the plan is to control content delivery, specifically live TV, movies, audio, a thing Bell would like to do for sure, P2P is the great ennemy. Forget all the morality of it, legal not legal downloads, whatever, they cannot be cops, morally, and legally...And even real cops don't care...The fact is people are downloading whatever they want right now and they are barely able to pay, even if they want, to have the same "quality of service" as a fast P2P download...But Bell might be playing cops, arresting us digitally, to gain finacially, pretending P2P is bad (the diversion). <br><br>That could blow. It's a near monopoly given permission to gain another monopoly, if we let it go. It's selling the line and the content passing in it. A century ago, many workers had to buy food at their employer's market and pay them rent. They had the bread, now they want the butter from us. <br><br>Maybe in court we will see data. <br><br>Varius]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1535240"><b>GKC</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  alec <A HREF="/useremail/u/1514256"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>"who is" much more grammar correct<br> </div>And to be more grammaticially correct:<br><br>The word <i><b>whose</i></b> is a possessive pronoun. Unlike possessive nouns, most possessive pronouns do not use apostrophes.<br><br>Example: <i>Whose</i> socks are in the chili?<br><br>The word <i><b>who's</i></b> is a contraction. It stands for who is or who has.<br><br>Example: Please see <i>who's</i> at the door.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1540363"><b>gregca</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  TobiasFunke <A HREF="/useremail/u/1442583"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Honestly, I think the only way to effectively send Bell a message is to establish a truly independent ISP by whatever means possible.</div>Do you have any more thoughts on this?  I've been discussing the concept of a co-op or user ISP.  Obviously a wired network  isn't very feasible, but what about a wireless network - maybe based on WiMAX?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:53:54 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1438918"><b>PlatooN</b></A> : This is total crap. Though now I have a good answer for a few clients of mine as to why their secured remote is so slow. Time to call a few clients who are lawyers and make a few inquires.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:41:09 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1513363"><b>cables</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  R0CKY <A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>... An easy analogy would be a landlord, who is managing an apartment, gives himself a key to come in and out as he pleases and on top of that decide which tenants friends they let in!  I'm not sure about you, but I'm fairly certain, one; the tenant would call the police, but two; you'd land up with a very big black-eye!<br><br>**************************************************************************<br><br>Rocky<br> </div>wow, that sounds a lot like living in the basement of a 'vancouver special', with your landlord living in the main floor.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:19:51 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/576329"><b>Willy_ph</b></A> : I noticed only one instance where whose may have been the preferred word.  Each and every other "who" or "who's" contract was the appropriate word for the context in which it was used.<br><br>Too late.  I'm not reprinting 10 copies of each letter.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:54:04 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1514256"><b>alec</b></A> : "who is" much more grammar correct]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:51:11 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/980866"><b>jyeung</b></A> : Also..not to be picky, but use "whose" instead of "who's".<br><br>- Jason]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:45:57 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1506059"><b>Arbalister</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  UT_CK <A HREF="/useremail/u/1524289"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>As I've stated from the beginning the CRTC are a bunch of idle toads. Unless they do something about this pronto, they need to be disbanded and replaced with new blood who understand what their mandate is. Just what does it take for these spineless jellyfish to get off the pot ?<br><br>CK<br> </div>Piles of cash in the right slush fund]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:39:11 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1508619"><b>aver</b></A> : I think the real issue is that the consumer is punished because Bell has a business practice over overselling its network. Its all because these profit driven companies get so caught up in making the shareholders happy they forget about the customers. Then when consumers strike back (switching to Teksavvy) the companies strike back at the consumers again. Its just disgusting.<br><br>I wish that the "customer is always right" motto still held true today, the world would be a better place.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:31:18 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1540325"><b>GTAHabsFan</b></A> : Just to recap, I am a TekSavvy customer who used to be with Bell. Bell claimed that they throttled only during peak hours. Is that the same tactic that is currently being implemented? Or is it throttling 24/7?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:27:49 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : For the record, this is not just about BT, or P2P. As I've seen, throttling lumps ANY encrypted traffic together. In a world where more and more of us have a wish to secure our communications, that's a problem. Even worse, I use my home computer from work/school a fair bit, usually through SSH (a text-based remote login protocol), and I transfer drafts, reports, and other (legal, mostly created by yours truly) files using SCP. Both those protocols are now throttled, such that typing into my home computer, over the internet, shows a measurable lag, on the order of 3-7 seconds, if someone else in the house is torrenting. This would be even more horribly painful if someone were using an encrypted (for security) remote desktop protocol, as I would bet is getting even more and more popular.<br><br>I believe the true problem here is that we deal with companies that label themselves Internet Service Providers, when in reality, many of us want an Internet Access Provider. Just give me a pipe, let me sort the rest out.<br><br>Thank you for working for us, Rocky and all of TSI.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/576329"><b>Willy_ph</b></A> : Ah, you are correct.  I will revise accordingly in my letter.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1307075"><b>a1_Andy</b></A> : Only thing wrong I can find so far is that you said "while having no impact upon other protocols" sadly it has a affect on "everything" that passes through the network. I say everything because the sharper that they have implemented inspects ALL TCP traffic and causes a delay for the inspection. Gaming Voip extra (any thing that requires a low ping).<br>Hold on, bell needs to inspect that last packet it might be P2P, as you go for your next frag........now you get Bell Lagg and die.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:00:09 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1535240"><b>GKC</b></A> : <i><b>Excellent!</i></b>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/576329"><b>Willy_ph</b></A> : Here are copies of the letters I'm sending tomorrow. One to the CRTC and one to the Competition Bureau.  Both are copied to many individuals (Rocky's going to be starting up a Timmy's in the office to handle the influx of paper I think ;) )<br><br>  <blockquote><small>said by me :</small><hr>Konrad von Finckenstein, Chairman<br>C.R.T.C.<br>Ottawa, ON<br>K1A 0N2<br><br>March 26, 2008<br><br>Dear Mr. von Finckenstein,<br><br>Re: Bell Canada &#150; Throttling of 3rd Party DSL Providers<br><br>It has recently been revealed that Bell Canada has implemented technologies that are unilaterally throttling the internet connections provided by 3rd party internet providers who utilize Bell Canada&#146;s Nexxia network to backhaul connections between the customer and the ISP.  <br><br>Moreover, Bell Canada chose to implement these technologies without advising those who would be directly affected by the changes; specifically 3rd party internet providers and their customers.  The actions taken by Bell Canada effectively dictate what type of service can be provided by 3rd party providers who must utilize Bell&#146;s network because there is no other cost effective alternative (the capital required to duplicate the Bell network would be absolutely staggering).  <br><br>To make it clear, Bell Canada has imposed unilateral limitations on upon 3rd party providers by selectively throttling the bandwidth provided to their customers as it transits through Bell&#146;s Nexxia network.  It has been shown that the bandwidth is being selectively shaped to affect certain transfer protocols, while having no impact upon other protocols.  <br><br>I would imagine that once challenged on the subject, Bell will contend that their system does not affect legitimate internet traffic (likely construed as HTTP (web) and SMTP (email) traffic).  However there are other protocols that are utilized for legitimate purposes beyond web and email traffic.  Even some highly contentious P2P protocols, such as bittorrent, are utilized for legitimate purposes, as evidenced by the recent decision by the CBC to release Canada&#146;s Next Great Prime Minister for free using bittorrent.  In addition to its obvious effect upon P2P protocols, the throttling system implemented by Bell is affected other protocols which are critical to my ability to work and communicate with others and enjoy the product which I have purchased from Teksavvy Solutions Inc.  I work from home and depend on a Virtual Private Network (VPN) connection to access information at work and make use of VOIP services to communicate with others.  These services are virtually useless with the technology that has been implemented.  Since the throttling was introduced I have encountered problems trying to work from home and use my VOIP telephone, not to mention the fact that I cannot play online games anymore due to the degradation of my internet service by the throttling introduced by Bell.<br><br>Bell clearly enjoys a dominant position in providing telecommunications (phone and internet) services to Canadians in Ontario, Quebec and beyond.  As a result, it is clearly a controversial move on their part to impose a system which limits that ability of other companies to provide a service to their customers as they see fit, and compete based on that product alone.  It is a direct result of Bell&#146;s dominance that the imposition of these new technologies is so egregious and anti-competitive.  This move appears to strike at the very foundation that was built by the CRTC to ensure fair competition and access to legitimate telecommunications alternatives for Canadian consumers.<br><br>I am sure that your Commission is concerned about the apparent move on Bell&#146;s part to undermine the equitable playing field that you have worked to construct for both Canadian businesses and consumers.  It is my hope that you will use whatever means possible to ensure that Bell rescinds the implementation of these throttling technologies on their network, as 3rd party providers have no other alternative through which to provide internet services via DSL technology to the Canadian consumer.<br><br>If I may iterate, as the regulating body of tariffed telecommunications services in Canada (of which Bell is a provider in this particular circumstance), your body has an obligation to ensure that the rules that have been established by your Commission are not breached.  If it is shown that a breach has occurred through the implementation of throttling technologies on the wholesale connectivity provided to 3rd party providers, your Commission must act to rectify the situation and punish the offending party.<br><br>The future of network neutrality and real alternatives for Canadian consumers rests in your Commissions hands.  I will be monitoring the subsequent actions your Commission takes and hope you will act in the best interests of Canadians.<br><br>Yours truly,<br><br>Willy_ph<br><br>Cc:&#9;Hon. Jim Prentice, Minister of Industry<br>Hon. Jos&eacute;e Verner, Minister of Canadian Heritage<br>Rick Norlock, MP Northumberland &#150; Quinte West<br>Scott Brison, MP Kings &#150; Hants<br>Peggy Nash, MP Parkdale &#150; High Park<br>Bill Siskay, MP Burnaby &#150; Douglas <br>Rocky Gaudrault, President & CEO &#150; Teksavvy Solutions Inc.<br>Michael J. Sabia, President &#150; BCE Inc.<br><hr></blockquote><br><br>  <blockquote><small>said by me :</small><hr>Sheridan Scott, Commissioner<br>Competition Bureau<br>50 Victoria St.<br>Gatineau, QC<br>K1A 0C9<br><br>March 26, 2008<br><br>Dear Ms. Sheridan,<br>&#9;<br>Re: Abuse of Dominant Position &#150; Bell Canada<br><br>It has recently come to light that Bell Canada has implemented technologies that effectively limit the ability of 3rd party wholesalers to provide a service to their clients free of interference and did so without any warning of their impending action.  The technologies in question throttle the bandwidth provided by a 3rd party ISP to their clients, who utilize the &#147;last mile&#148; of copper infrastructure owned by Bell Canada.  These 3rd parties have established contracts with Bell Canada who&#146;s only obligation is to provide an interface to backhaul information from my household to a central point (in this case the network facilities at 151 Front St., Toronto, ON) at which point it is handed off to my ISP.  <br><br>What has recently been revealed is the fact that Bell Canada is utilizing traffic shaping technologies to interfere with my internet connection as it is backhauled to my ISP (Teksavvy Solutions Inc., based in Chatham, ON).  These throttling technologies affect only certain internet protocols, which Bell Canada must feel are illegitimate uses.  Let me make it clear, I am not an internet service subscriber with Bell Canada, nor do I wish to be.  The only responsibility Bell has in relation to my internet service is to ensure that the information is transferred from my modem, across the &#147;last mile&#148; to my ISP.<br><br>It is obvious that Bell Canada enjoys a dominant position in the telecommunications market place.  This fact cannot be disputed.  In the past there were legitimate reasons for Bell Canada to exist as a monopoly.  However, those times have passed us by.  What we must now ensure is that their dominant position is not utilized to exercise undue interference in the marketplace.  Unfortunately, it appears that this may be the case.  <br><br>Bell has been directed by the CRTC to allow 3rd party internet providers access to their &#147;last mile&#148; of copper infrastructure so alternative telecommunication products are available to the market.  3rd party providers establish contracts, governed by CRTC regulations, with Bell to access this &#147;last mile&#148; and consumers subsequently engage in relationships with these 3rd parties to purchase a product.  It is not expected, by the 3rd party providers or their customers that Bell will influence the service that they provide or purchase.  The only limitation that should be imposed on the service are those that the providers impose themselves.   What Bell Canada has effectively done, by implementing these technologies, is mandated to 3rd party providers what type of service they can provide to their clients.  I purchased a product from my provider under the impression that only they would impose limitations on the service, and with due warning if changes were to occur.<br><br>Bell Canada, however, has utilized their dominant position to unilaterally alter the service to which I subscribe and without notification, to either me or my provider.  This is an absolutely unacceptable action on their part and one that must not be allowed to stand.  This decision on Bell&#146;s part effectively stifles competition, as it affects any DSL provider who contracts with Bell to provide wholesale access to the &#147;last mile&#148; (effectively all DSL providers due to the monopoly over the copper infrastructure).<br><br>I ask that your Commission investigate the actions that Bell has pursued and order them to reverse the implementation of the throttling technologies, as they look inherently anti-competitive.  I selected my specific ISP because they do not throttle, or impose bandwidth limitations on my internet service.  My ISP has established a business structure that allows them to offer a service that is neither throttled, nor subject to bandwidth caps.  Bell has concretely, substantially, and without authorization, altered the service that I purchased.<br><br>I call upon the Competition Bureau to investigate these recent actions and order Bell Canada to reverse their implementation. <br><br>Yours truly,<br><br>Willy_ph<br><br>Cc:&#9;Hon. Jim Prentice, Minister of Industry<br>Hon. Jos&eacute;e Verner, Minister of Canadian Heritage<br>Rick Norlock, MP Northumberland &#150; Quinte West<br>Scott Brison, MP Kings &#150; Hants<br>Peggy Nash, MP Parkdale &#150; High Park<br>Bill Siskay, MP Burnaby &#150; Douglas <br>Rocky Gaudrault, President & CEO &#150; Teksavvy Solutions Inc.<br>Michael J. Sabia, President &#150; BCE Inc.<br><hr></blockquote>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1524289"><b>UT_CK</b></A> : As I've stated from the beginning the CRTC are a bunch of idle toads. Unless they do something about this pronto, they need to be disbanded and replaced with new blood who understand what their mandate is. Just what does it take for these spineless jellyfish to get off the pot ?<br><br>CK]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1511627"><b>Grounded</b></A> : Willy, <br><br>Good list. Great idea to include the opposition as well.  I think it's probably worthwile including someone from the NDP as this sure feels like the corporate masters beating on the little guy & that's kinda their bailiwick. :)  Since this hits Quebec as well might someone from yet another party read into the situation interference with cultural exchange?  ;)  <br><br>What the heck, seems the more people feel they have a dog in this race the better. <br><br>I also copied my local MPP & city counsellor as well.  They can't really much but add to the noise if this piques their interest.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/539077"><b>sbrook</b></A> : I do know that it's not Sandvine boxes.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1506059"><b>Arbalister</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by spliffy :</small><br><br>Confused by all this talk about writing to the CRTC.  The CRTC has quite publicly stated that they are unwilling/unable to dictate ISP business practices, as explained here:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/INFO_SHT/t1003.htm" >www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/INFO_SHT/t1003.htm</A><br><br>The real Canadian Competition Bureau (different from CRTC) and the Commissioner for Complaints for Telecommunications Services (&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.ccts-cprst.ca/ots/cf/ExistingComplaintForm.do?locale=en" >www.ccts-cprst.ca/ots/cf/Existin&middot;&middot;&middot;ocale=en</A>) seem better avenues?  Guess the CRTC won't hurt.  Just pound all levels of government.<br> </div>The CRTC however *does* regulate tariffed telecommunication services.  Which includes the service we are talking about.  We're not talking about an ISP that needs spanking, we're talking about a provider of essential telecommunications services, on a wholesale level, that is abusing their position to screw over their customers.<br><br>What you are seeing here, is akin to the gas company saying "well, geez, we've noticed that people use a lot more gas in the evening hours of the winter months, so from now on we're going to reduce the available supply at those times."<br><br>Do you think they'd get away with it?  We'd be all over the energy board.  They regulate gas services.  The CRTC regulates telecommunications.  It's time they got off the pot they've been on for the last 10 years.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/576329"><b>Willy_ph</b></A> : I'm currently preparing separate letters to the CRTC and the Competition Bureau.<br><br>They will be copied to the following:<br><br>Rick Norlock (My MP)<br>Josee Verner, Minister of Canadian Heritage (CRTC falls under her jurisdiction)<br>Jim Prentice, Minister of Industry (Competition Bureau falls under his jurisdiction)<br>Rocky Gaudrault, TSI<br>Michael J. Sabia, BCE<br>Scott Brison, Industry Critic for the Official Opposition]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1506059"><b>Arbalister</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  theninjasqua <A HREF="/useremail/u/1490099"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I still don't understand how/why Bell went ahead and did this and did not even inform the wholesalers of this. If they are in a business agreement for the service, should the wholesalers not had some kind of warning that this is going to occur? That was incredibly ballsy of Bell to go and turn the throttling on, let the users figure out that there it throttling going on, then let their wholesales ISP's know. What a mess.<br><br> </div>This is typical Bell strongarm tactics.  They've always taken the attitude "who'll stop us, we're Bell."]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1521514"><b>Stiffarm</b></A> : I've heard that Bell was using Sandvine boxes, but by the reports on what is getting throttled how I doubt the rumors to be true.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/539077"><b>sbrook</b></A> : Bell's throttling boxes were producing lots of false positives (i.e. identifying things as throttlable)<br><br>Somewhere I read that Bell was using the same boxes as Rogers.<br><br>Don't think so.<br><br>From the rumour mills, Rogers uses Cisco's pCube service engines, and Bell bought into Ellacoya (same as used by Shaw out west).]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/581584"><b>Leathal</b></A> : I have a question Rocky, <br><br>Just how good is the technology for throttling today? Does it produce any false positives, if so what percentage?<br><br>Leathal]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1535240"><b>GKC</b></A> : Kudos to Ryan Stone & Alicia Simon.  I, too, sent an email off to Kevin Crull this morning notifying him of my intention to cancel my home phone with Bell the very moment TekSavvy launches their home phone.  I'll not even have my number ported over from Bell to TekSavvy.  I'll start afresh with TekSavvy and be more than willing to pay an activation fee, if TekSavvy feels the need to charge; as well, I forwarded a letter off to the Competition Bureau.  I encourage others to do the same.<br><br><i>United we stand, divided we fall</i> :)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1490185"><b>loginname</b></A> : Just wanted to let Rocky know that another TSI subscriber has contacted the competition bureau, the Minister of Industry, MP, and MPP.<br><br>Let's keep the ball rolling.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : Where the competition bureau can get involved is that Bell's actions will prevent independant ISPs from providing options in their services that distinguish themselves from Sympatico, this removing competitive advantages.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:51:02 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : >he CRTC has quite publicly stated that they are <br>>unwilling/unable to dictate ISP business practices, as <br>>explained here:<br><br>Once more, we are not talking about an internet service provider.<br><br>We are not even talking about a TCPIP network.<br><br>We are talking about a regulated service which consists in providing DSL at certain speeds to end users and forwarding PPPoE packets to a company connected to the bell backbone.<br><br>The contents of the PPPoE packets are NOT assumed to be IP packlets in the 5410 document. And there is no mention that the typical use will be for browsing.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Confused by all this talk about writing to the CRTC.  The CRTC has quite publicly stated that they are unwilling/unable to dictate ISP business practices, as explained here:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/INFO_SHT/t1003.htm" >www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/INFO_SHT/t1003.htm</A><br><br>The real Canadian Competition Bureau (different from CRTC) and the Commissioner for Complaints for Telecommunications Services (&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.ccts-cprst.ca/ots/cf/ExistingComplaintForm.do?locale=en" >www.ccts-cprst.ca/ots/cf/Existin&middot;&middot;&middot;ocale=en</A>) seem better avenues?  Guess the CRTC won't hurt.  Just pound all levels of government.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1538279"><b>cacruden</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  nanook <A HREF="/useremail/u/1508357"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>It would indeed be difficult. Rogers is notorious for entering into sweetheart deals with builders in which they wire cable throughout the building for free in exchange for long term exclusive rights to use that cable. Even if you installed all the necessary hardware for satellite TV and/or Internet you would not be allowed to use the existing cable. And of course, it would be prohibitively expensive to run new cable.</div>It would be interesting to find out.  I remember the condo was sold as connecting directly to the internet care of IBM, but when I took possession - it was Rogers.  I believe it has been around 10 years now - don't know how long the contracts are for.  I know that the condo board was against signing contracts where companies retained control of equipment (i.e. ExpressVu Satellite Dish); but did allow ExpressVu for condos in because there was no new infrastructure needed.  Maybe I should inquire into it with Property Management.  As far as running cable - outside of the unit I don't think it would be all that difficult since I see the cables running above the hallway (which is basically open - not even a conduit) -- at least I am assuming those are the cables.  Inside the unit, I believe I am the owner.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><b>Guspaz</b></A> : My apartment building provides "free wireless internet" to all tenants. They seem to have a fibre line with Videotron (VTL).<br><br>First of all, the line is horrible overloaded, and second of all, the wireless signal doesn't really reach my apartment (second to last on the edge of the building). They're missing out on at least 8 apartment per floor, probably 12 per floor.<br><br>Anyhow, clearly while my building does a horrible job of it, it's certainly something that a building could do. An apartment building could pay for a Cogent rollout, get a 100mbit fibre line, share it among tenants. But they won't. They like money too much. So instead they're probably trying to cover 250 apartments on a 10meg (or maybe a bit more, hard to tell) Videotron fibre optic link.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1508357"><b>nanook</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  koreyb <A HREF="/useremail/u/1137179"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>They are taking a grey area in the agreement and twisting it to say what they want.  <br><br>Bell is known to lie...Ask any former customer.</div>If it is a "grey area" then taking one side or the other is not lying, nor is there anything wrong with doing so.<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  cacruden <A HREF="/useremail/u/1538279"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>As it stands right now, I think the only solution (which would be difficult) would be to convince the whole condo corporation to switch .... but that is just a dream I guess (Merchandise Building - Toronto). </div>It would indeed be difficult. Rogers is notorious for entering into sweetheart deals with builders in which they wire cable throughout the building for free in exchange for long term exclusive rights to use that cable. Even if you installed all the necessary hardware for satellite TV and/or Internet you would not be allowed to use the existing cable. And of course, it would be prohibitively expensive to run new cable. <br><br>Maybe wireless, assuming it has the range and capacity to service the entire building.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1490099"><b>theninjasqua</b></A> : Sorry to burst your bubble, but I don't think Telus offers residential internet in Ontario, aside from some condos in downtown Toronto. Unless you want to shell out for a business account, you are probably out of luck. You might as well move to cable if you want to have some faster P2P speeds. Otherwise you don't really have any options.<br><small>--<br><br>-theninjasquad</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1463351"><b>sppena</b></A> : I will write to my MP and MMP, the Competition Bureau, CRTC and a letter to Kevin Krull about this issue. Hopefully it gets the message across. But if nothing is done, eventhough I really teksavvy's customer service, I will pick up my bags and move on to another ISP (i hated typing it). <br><br>According to this article: &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080325.wgtinternet26/BNStory/Technology/home" >www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/&middot;&middot;&middot;ogy/home</A><br>Telus may be a good alternative "Telus Corp. has stated it does not manage or shape any of the traffic on its networks."]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1538279"><b>cacruden</b></A> : I figure they expected to get some negative press/response and figure they will just keep their head down and muddle their way through it.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:19:35 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : what a kick in the nuts it would be if bell stoped throttling only its users]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:17:39 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/512567"><b>travisc</b></A> : I'm sure Kevin Krull will be mystified by this communication.  You might want to send it to Kevin Crull instead.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/809302"><b>justsometech</b></A> : very impressive! hopefully everyone will follow suit here, keep on sending in the complaints and tell you MPP, MP and Competition Bureau]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:14:41 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/670456"><b>LiQuiD</b></A> : Do tell us if you get a response!]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:10:17 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1451074"><b>Zero DSL</b></A> : I have sent this letter to Kevin Krull from Bell, you should do something similar.<br><br><b>Dear Mr. Crull,<br><br>I will be canceling all of my existing Bell services immediately.  I have had internet, home phone, and expressvu with your company for 7 years.  I am a not even thirty yet, so I have paid for your services my entire adult life without issue.<br><br>My problem is your recent policy change regarding Bell Sympatico and Bell internet resellers.  Capping a service's total use is terrible (30/30) and now Bell is throttling not only legal bit torrents and very legal P2P services such as Xbox Live, a premium service from Microsoft (who is one of your partners), you are also in direct violation of anti competition laws when you throttle ISPs that have bought into your infrastructure and advertise unlimited internet.  You must've lost a lot of customers to resellers based on that promise alone, never mind the huge price difference for identical service.  I have also had to turn off encryption on my WAN traffic so that you don't falsely classify it as P2P, leaving my network exposed to attack and privacy concerns.<br><br>I will be submitting a letter to the Canadian Competition Bureau on behalf of of my family and over 30 other affected families in my building I have canvassed and informed of your recent changes to your Terms and Conditions, many are prepared to cancel.  I am aware of similar indepenent initiatives in Southern Ontario, your biggest market.  In a way, you have destroyed one of your biggest advantages over the cable ISPs by nulifying the fact that DSL ISN'T affected as greatly by overall traffic, having dedicated copper lines into each home, unlike cable that is daisy-chained across neighbourhoods and can actually benefit from "prime time" traffic shaping. <br><br> Who is going to buy your DSL2 24MB service when the only thing NOT capped/throttled is checking email?  I can check my email just as fast and richly on my Rogers Cell phone.  Why should I buy a car that is advertised to have a 500hp engine but  is capped at 175hp at the factory?  Isn't that false advertising?  You may want to forward this to your legal department.<br><br>So Long,<br><br>Ryan Stone & Alicia Simon</b>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/670456"><b>LiQuiD</b></A> : For those unsure how to go about it.. simply go to this site, and put in your postal code.  From there you'll have an email or fax and at the least an address you can send your letter to.  Be heard!<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www2.parl.gc.ca/Parlinfo/Compilations/HouseOfCommons/MemberByPostalCode.aspx?Menu=HOC" >www2.parl.gc.ca/Parlinfo/Compila&middot;&middot;&middot;Menu=HOC</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : I wrote my MP, the CRTC, and filed a complaint on the competition bureau... I suggest all do the same...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1538279"><b>cacruden</b></A> : They should force a breakup of bell where the "last mile" of wiring is one company, and the rest of it (long distance, local phone, Internet, TV) is part of another company.<br><br>They then can "regulate" the small "last mile" company, and release the other company to be fully market driven.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1499413"><b>Joe1419</b></A> : I really do hope that everyone reading this thread takes a few minutes to let the government (and Bell) know how they feel.<br><br>So many times we just sit back assuming others will be their voice, but we need a strong united voice to let Bell know their actions are not appropriate and will not be tolerated.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1429986"><b>shikotee</b></A> : This is the most important thing that needs to be brought to people's attention. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/765277"><b>eots</b></A> : Bell owning Sympatico is proving to be a conflict of interest and the CRTC should force Bell to get out of the ISP business.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1253725"><b>Kdee</b></A> : You're famous now  :) :<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://itnerd.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/isps-to-bell-stop-throttling-or-well-sue/" >itnerd.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/&middot;&middot;&middot;ell-sue/</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : >I think it is safe to assume that Bell's internal, and likely <br>>external, legal counsel have been all over the contracts <br><br>Bell is stuck with ancient copper technology and it knows it. People's use of intternet is increasing, but revenues aren't. bell is expected to upgrade its backbone network to support the added network load but isn't getting additional revenus for it.<br><br>With Cable having blindsighted the old DSL kludge, Bell knows that it will eventually abandon its antique copper infrastructure and go with fibre and that will need a lot money. (money Bell would have had it not wasted it buying all sorts of trinkets during the .COM frienzy)<br><br>So this move probably has a lot more political motives than legal ones. Bell may very know that it is illegal, but is using it to force re-opening of the 5410 tarriff so Bell could get more "motivation" to spend money to upgrade network in exchange for dropping the throttling.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1137179"><b>koreyb</b></A> : I can't speak for Rocky, but I have a feeling IF they are going the legal route, he MAY not be able to comment too much on anything..]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:05:08 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1538279"><b>cacruden</b></A> : Same here, just walked away from Rogers a week ago.  Something seemed wrong though, I just had not tested it to see if it was a problem with the connection or my inside wiring.  Just did not seem as responsive as it should be.  <br><br>As it stands right now, I think the only solution (which would be difficult) would be to convince the whole condo corporation to switch .... but that is just a dream I guess (Merchandise Building - Toronto).]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1490099"><b>theninjasqua</b></A> : I still don't understand how/why Bell went ahead and did this and did not even inform the wholesalers of this. If they are in a business agreement for the service, should the wholesalers not had some kind of warning that this is going to occur? That was incredibly ballsy of Bell to go and turn the throttling on, let the users figure out that there it throttling going on, then let their wholesales ISP's know. What a mess.<br><br>Rocky, what did Bell say in the meeting regarding that? I am assuming you probably asked them why they didn't inform you beforehand of this.<br><small>--<br><br>-theninjasquad</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1137179"><b>koreyb</b></A> : I haven't read the docs.. but I think it's likely some GREY language that bell is using to do this.   They have done this before when they tried to say you HAD to have a Bell Canada Home phone to get anyone BUT Sympatico on your line.  I had a fight with them on this, as I had Sprint at the time and they refused to install anyone but sympatico.   A complaint went to the CRTC and it wasn't long after they where ORDERED to stop refusing to install non-bell dsl on non-bell lines.<br><br>I think this is the case here..  They are taking a grey area in the agreement and twisting it to say what they want.  <br><br>Bell is known to lie...Ask any former customer.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1508619"><b>aver</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  sMURF <A HREF="/useremail/u/1442410"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://digg.com/tech_news/Canadian_ISPs_furious_about_Bell_Canada_s_traffic_throttling" >digg.com/tech_news/Canadian_ISPs&middot;&middot;&middot;rottling</A><br><br>Front page of Digg!<br> </div>The arstechinca story is on the front page of reddit.com as well ! Hopefully this will bring some much needed attention to this issue]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/867851"><b>thm655321</b></A> : I think it is safe to assume that Bell's internal, and likely external, legal counsel have been all over the contracts to see whether Bell can "argue" that Bell is within its rights.  Whether the CRTC or a court would conclude likewise is quite another matter. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1429986"><b>shikotee</b></A> : @orson<br><br>LoL - The internet totally needs a superhero!<br><br>And what this country needs is better protection for consumers. But what can you do when you have an industry minister who basically serves as a whore for corporate interests?<br><br>@Jason042<br><br>I think it is safe to say that many of us have always appreciated Teksavvy, as they have always treated customer service and satisfaction as a high priority.<br><br>@Rocky<br><br>I do have to ask - If Bell is stating that they are within their legal rights to throttle (via their agreement with you), I assume they are not lying, and that they have always had this as an option. <br><br>Were you actually not aware of this, or did you just not believe that they would ever do it?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:50:46 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1512253"><b>bjlockie</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by anonguy :</small><br><br>so JUST bt and p2p traffic will be affected?<br> </div>slippery slope]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:50:23 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1137179"><b>koreyb</b></A> : Rocky may be the guy... give him time... :)]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:37:46 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : i literally signed up with teksavvy 13 days ago specifically for this issue with rogers, and was happy as a pig in s%$^ untill today.<br>the internet needs a superhero]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:37:06 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : At the moment I'm a Teksavvy unlimited customer and I pay more to not worry about a download limit. As of yet I don't think I've ever even gone over the 200GB limit (although I've probably come close on occasion)<br><br>Now with my p2p downloads limited to 30kbp/s, even with my best effort I'll never reach 200GB.  The sensible thing to do would be to switch to the premium service, since I'd rather be over Cognet now that the download cap is irrelevant.<br><br>At the same time, and what irks me, is I don't want to 'punish' Teksavvy by switching to a cheaper plan just because of Bell's screw up.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:34:38 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : >I'm just puzzled because if they do give you layer 2, how the <br>>hell are they actually examing the traffic at the ATM level?<br><br>PPPoE packets are broken up into multiple ATM packets to get through the ugly kludge that ADSL is. But at some point within the opaque Bell cloud, those PPPoE packets are re-assembled so that the BAS can look at the PPPoE header and route it to the right ISP.<br><br>From what I read, Bell is trying to re-assemble those packets back into ethernet packets as close to the DSLAM as possible. Once you get an ethernet frame with a full PPPoE packet inside, it becomes easier to look further inside to look inside the TCPIP packet and inside the TCPIP packet, you find the payload and decide if you like that type of data or not, and if you don't, you slow the packet down.<br><br>Once the packet is back into a single ethernet frame, it becomes easy for Bell to ship it to the ISP over WAN ethernet links instead of breaking it all up into silly ATM backs to be shipped to ISPs. (the conversion to ethernet as the link to ISPs is recent on Bell territory (I think it was done last year if I am not mistaken)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1275904"><b>cluster5</b></A> : &raquo;<A HREF="http://news.google.ca/nwshp?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hl=en&tab=wn&ncl=1145890587&topic=t" >news.google.ca/nwshp?client=fire&middot;&middot;&middot;&topic=t</A><br>Currently 13 article in Google News.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:21:52 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1442410"><b>sMURF</b></A> : &raquo;<A HREF="http://digg.com/tech_news/Canadian_ISPs_furious_about_Bell_Canada_s_traffic_throttling" >digg.com/tech_news/Canadian_ISPs&middot;&middot;&middot;rottling</A><br><br>Front page of Digg!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/809302"><b>justsometech</b></A> : Competition bereau to file a complaint:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.competitionbureau.gc.ca/epic/site/cb-bc.nsf/en/01260e.html" >www.competitionbureau.gc.ca/epic&middot;&middot;&middot;60e.html</A><br><br>and the minister of industry:<br>Minister.Industry@ic.gc.ca]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:55:26 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1440434"><b>chrish</b></A> : My anti-bell throttleing facebook 'Stop Bell From Throttling DSL Resellers' group has 140 members already and I didn't invite anyone<br><br>Hopefully we don't loose momentum on this and bell continues to be in the news with thieir bad antics]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:44:40 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1540215"><b>blinki</b></A> : I've just joined this site as a happy teksavvy customer for the past 6 months.  I left Cogeco because of hard rate caps and convinced as many of my friends as possible to switch away from Bell and Rogers because of their tactics.<br><br>I'm with you teksavvy, they drew first blood and they deserve the worst.  Fight those crooks to the end, I'll be with you all the way!<br>I've already emailed my local representative, the minister of Canadian heritage (I couldn't download the CBC's show because of the cap) and the secretary of state, joined the facebook site and invited all my friends.<br><br>If there's anything more I can do, let me know here or by emailing all your customers.  I'll protest or participate in class action lawsuit, whatever it takes.<br><br>Thank you again for standing up for us,<br>Chris]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:21:56 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><b>Guspaz</b></A> : No. Videotron doesn't currently throttle.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:06:58 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/168864"><b>sporkme</b></A> : Hey Rocky,<br><br>I'm a bit lost on how they're doing this to you.  In the US, both the bells and the DLECs like Covad and NewEdge hand their wholesale traffic to their ISP "partners" as a layer 2 ATM connection.  Is it done differently up there?  I noticed you mentioned gig-e, which, unless they're doing some funky vlan-per-customer thing sounds like they are giving you a layer 3 connection.  I'm just puzzled because if they do give you layer 2, how the hell are they actually examing the traffic at the ATM level?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:01:19 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1447891"><b>ddurdle</b></A> : Doesn't Videotron already have time caps, like you can only download so much during certain times of the day?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:57:15 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1447891"><b>ddurdle</b></A> : That's the whole purpose of this thread.  The throttle is on 3rd parties.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:56:08 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/539077"><b>sbrook</b></A> : Byte caps are to limit transit bandwidth from their bandwidth providers and reduce costs (and given the recharging to increase revenues!)  So, since Bell isn't in that part of a 3rd party's loop, they shouldn't be involved in caps!]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:55:53 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/706116"><b>The Flash</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Laidback <A HREF="/useremail/u/485926"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Anyone know whether Bell will implement their caps to 3rd party ISP's??  They may as well go for the gusto and screw us all.<br> </div>Actually I figure they would have done this first.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:55:34 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1447891"><b>ddurdle</b></A> : I'm going to savor my torrents while I can.  I haven't downloaded for over a week, so not since the throttle.  I normally throttle myself at 200 kB/s (no real reason) but I've thrown that out the window.  I'm downloading via torrents right now at 450kB/s, but then again, it's only noon here and according to the reports, the throttle starts at 4pm daily (for now at least).]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/485926"><b>Laidback</b></A> : Anyone know whether Bell will implement their caps to 3rd party ISP's??  They may as well go for the gusto and screw us all.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : >And, once again, let's not forget that only Rogers throttles. <br>>Not Videotron.<br><br>This is EXTREMELY different.<br><br>the ISP can throttle all it wants. The ISP portion is NOt regulated. And customers who are unhappy can leave to another ISP. Roger's throttling affects only Rogers customers.<br><br>Bell is throtting not its customers, but customers of other ISPs in a service that is regulated by the CRTC (GAS) and which is wholesale transport of frames. GAS is NOT a TCPIP service. It is a PPPoE service. GAS isn't connected to the INternet, it is not an internet service. It is bulk transport and agregation of PPPoE packets.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><b>Guspaz</b></A> : Of course, there are no guarantees. However, Videotron has been rather open and aggressive about caps, and seems to prefer using them (as ridiculously low as they are) over capping.<br><br>What's the point of throttling when most of your customers are on a 20GB/mth cap while paying over $50 per month for service? :P]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1508357"><b>nanook</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Guspaz <A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>And, once again, let's not forget that only Rogers throttles. Not Videotron.</div>Until recently the mantra on this forum was, "And, once again, let's not forget that only Bell throttles. Not TekSavvy." <br><br>As recently as a week or two ago it was inconceivable that TSI would throttle. We had Rocky's word on that. And yet, while he held to his word, forces outside of his control managed to throttle us anyway. Granted, Videotron owns its infrastructure. But when they can no longer meet the exponentially increasing demand for bandwidth they will be forced to take action, whether it is throttling, capping (which they do now) or some other measures (e.g. raising rates.)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1508357"><b>nanook</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  jfmezei <A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>From a network management perspective there are other issues... When dial-up internet became popular, it caused a lot of headaches to Bell because all of a sudden, calling patterns changed, call duration went from a few minutes to a few hours and the busy hour changes to evenings. All of a sudden, people in the suburns would have calls lasting hours to some downtown location (the ISP's modem banks). Bell has had to adjust their capacity accordingly. They didn't go to the CRTYC and cry on their shoulders. They didn't start to interrupt telephone calls and tell people to hangup. And they didn't start to force people to speak slower on the phone. They did what they had to do and increased capacity where new capacity was needed to meet the changing needs of the telephone system.</div>While the analogy is valid, and not to defend Bell's actions, it is possible that the rate of growth in demand for bandwidth that arises from the popularity of video streaming, P2P, etc. is much greater than the growth rate during the dial-up era. Of course since Bell has been less than transparent on this there is no way to know what practical and cost challenges Bell is actually facing.<br><br><div class="bquote">Now, Bell can do what it wants to optimise its backbone so it doesn't waste money/capacity. But when usage patterns change, Bell *MUST* adapt instead of complain.</div>Well they are adapting. You and I may not like <i>how</i> they are adapting, but that is another matter.<br><br><div class="bquote">In theory, Bell is expected to be able to provide the full 5mbps to everyone at the same time, just like, in theory, Bell is expected to support everyone picking up their phone and dialing at the same time.</div>Not at all. Bell's POTS network capacity is based on normal usage patterns and queuing theory. If everyone picked up the phone at the same time they would not all hear dial tone. Many would get a busy signal. This happens regularly when there is an emergency such as a natural disaster. The same situation, but to an even greater extent, happens with the cellphone network. If POTS is more resilient it is probably because the infrastructure is more mature and more likely to be overbuilt (e.g. as a legacy from the dialup days.) <br><br>DSL and the Internet is no different. No one expected that a 5Mb/s DSL lines would be run at 5000/800 24x7x365, never mind that a large number of such lines would be used that way. Hence no one (Bell, Rogers, etc.) developed infrastructure to support this sort of usage.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><b>Guspaz</b></A> : And, once again, let's not forget that only Rogers throttles. Not Videotron.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/539077"><b>sbrook</b></A> : Also worth pointing out that people may point to cable and say "Cable does it too", cable throttles users for a significantly different reason.<br><br>The cable upstream path on any given neighbourhood cable segment is very limited and quite saturable with a comparatively few people running P2P flat out.  The only way to resolve that with the currently deployed technology is to put fewer homes on a segment, but that is exceptionally costly and essentially changes the nature of cable topology.<br><br>But cable HAS been working on this issue, and with the channel bonding of DOCSIS 3 and later the move to Ditigal cable freeing up frequency space on the cable, the upstream scenario will improve.<br><br>For both cable and telco, the cost is certainly a factor ... but For cable, designing and implementing the technology is the delay, but at least it's enroute.  For the telco it appears to be that the technology is available, but Bell doesn't appear to want to spend that money ... and instead want to cripple its service to the customer, and charge them more for it.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : >Its how much bandwidth we use, not the source or the reason.<br><br>From a network management perspective there are other issues.<br><br>Consider POTS telephone service. Bell has statistics that show how many calls are made and average call duration, and they have statistics that show how many calls are routed between 2 COs at any point of time with peaks etc.<br><br>Based on those statistics, they size their trunks accordingly. They don't want to spend more money than necessary for capacity that wouldn't be used. But this is why if everyone picks up the phone at the same time, they won't all get dialtone, and if everyone in a suburb dials to a downtown location at the same time, they will get a fast busy becayse therte aren't enough circuits between the suburban CO and the downtown CO. <br><br>When dial-up internet became popular, it caused a lot of headaches to Bell because all of a sudden, calling patterns changed, call duration went from a few minutes to a few hours and the busy hour changes to evenings. All of a sudden, people in the suburns would have calls lasting hours to some downtown location (the ISP's modem banks). Bell has had to adjust their capacity accordingly. They didn't go to the CRTYC and cry on their shoulders. They didn't start to interrupt telephone calls and tell people to hangup. And they didn't start to force people to speak slower on the phone. They did what they had to do and increased capacity where new capacity was needed to meet the changing needs of the telephone system.<br><br>Now, lets get back to DSL:<br><br>Just like Bell didn't build its phone system to support everyone dialing at the same time, Bell didn't build its DSL backbone to support everyone downloading at 5mbps at the same time. They looked at usage statistics and found that on average, you have a few short HTTP transactions followed by a long period of inactivity while you read a page. So, they sized their backbone accordingly. While you download, most others are reading.<br><br>But with the advent of large files being downloaded (P2P being the more popular protocol, but FTP or HTTP could do the same), the usage patterns are now changing.<br><br>Instead of doing what it did for POTS and add capacity where needed, Bell has decided to cripple the service to prevent people from changing usage patterns.<br><br>ISPs for PPPoE, ISPs pay for a switched virtual circuit providing a certain speed to the end user. (for HSA' it is a permanent virtual circuit).<br><br>Now, Bell can do what it wants to optimise its backbone so it doesn't waste money/capacity. But when usage patterns change, Bell *MUST* adapt instead of complain. In theory, Bell is expected to be able to provide the full 5mbps to everyone at the same time, just like, in theory, Bell is expected to support everyone picking up their phone and dialing at the same time.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : Mr Liquid/Quagmire:<br><br>The concept of distributed distribution to lighten the load on the provider of information is older than the internet. The old Bitnet and Fidonet worked that way too.<br><br>NNTP, although to a lesser extent now, was also very distributed. You provided one copy to one local server and that local server distributed it a few other servers and so forth and users around the world would then dosload the item from their local server. The originator of the content didn'T need the infratsructure to support a gazillion people downloading it at the same time.<br><br>P2P is the same principle deployed to the end users who can become servers and help distribute content.<br><br>And you have applications such as SETI@HOME which also use a similar scheme where they make use of resources at the end nodes (end users) and combine results centrally.<br><br>It is wrong to see P2P as a means to distribute illegal content. It is a means to distribute content. With the CBC starting to get involved, and if more and more get involved, you will find that the technology will quickly lose its "illegal content" image because more and more will be dor legitimate content.<br><br>You can also paint HTTP as a provider of Porn.  Before FedEx setup their web sit that allowed you to enter a waybill number and get tracking nformation live, corporations saw HTTP as a useless toy. <br><br>Before Canadian Airlines (yes, they were the first major airline in the world to have a web site) added the FIDS (live flight status) to their web site, other airlines saw no use for HTTP/web sites. <br><br>Now, of course, Airlines have embraced the web to the point where if you don't book your fligths on the web, they charge you an extra $20. <br><br>OK, I am getting to the conclusion now: Just because you don't currently see P2P has a legitimate application now does not mean that it doesn't have a great potential.<br><br>Throttling it means killing it. Killing it means preventing the development of legitimate applications.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1332360"><b>dub16v</b></A> : Are they throttling Teksavvy Biz lines as well???<br>Is it even possible to get a Biz line at home?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : What P'ss's me off to no end is the fact from 4PM yesterday when i actually saw that i am being throttled to right now, 8:47AM I am still throttled. not 24/7 hog wash! You expect me to believe that somewhere between 4pm yesterday and 8:47am today that there's no off peak time in there? I know it's not TS fault but ffs.. This is retarted. And I laid claims when i switched at first this shit was happening to my line, no one wanted to listen to me.. that was 4 months ago.. now look...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  R0CKY <A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Spread the word one and all as this topic needs to reach every level possible... <br> </div>Full Story:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.p2pnet.net/story/15395" >www.p2pnet.net/story/15395</A><br><br>"The word is indeed being spread to the extent the mainstream media are now running with the story.<br><br>Better late than never and the coverage has sparked a sharp reaction from Bell Canada spokesman Jason Laszlo, quoted in the Globe & Mail as saying the company has, &#147;every right to limit the amount of bandwidth certain applications can consume on its networks and those it rents to third-party ISPs&#148;."]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 08:45:01 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1508357"><b>nanook</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by anonomouse :</small><br><br>Their decision is equivalent to selling you full telephone services, (caller id, etc.) and then removing caller id, because you had too many phone calls.  </div>A better analogy would be, Bell cuts off landline phone calls after a few minutes during busy periods because their network cannot handle the load. If they tried that the CRTC (and the general public) would crucify them.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 08:35:02 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/248514"><b>mlerner</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Laidback <A HREF="/useremail/u/485926"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>almost off topic question.  Is this not the same thing Telus did out West?  Seems to me they  pulled the same crap and then stuck the 3rd parties with cap issues etc?<br> </div>Except that most 3rd parties in Telus territory are resellers rather than wholesale clients. To my knowledge, Teksavvy is one of the few with their own transit out west.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 08:34:53 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/485926"><b>Laidback</b></A> : almost off topic question.  Is this not the same thing Telus did out West?  Seems to me they  pulled the same crap and then stuck the 3rd parties with cap issues etc?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 08:27:43 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Who defines what is fair? If you have contracted with Bell and Bell advertised a certain speed that goes with that contract, then you are entitled to have that speed at a sustained rate 24/7.<br><br>Their decision is equivalent to selling you full telephone services, (caller id, etc.) and then removing caller id, because you had too many phone calls.<br> ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1507317"><b>Johnny Cage</b></A> : I honestly hope that those third party isps will band together and do something. This is really a big deal here.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/895655"><b>newSymp</b></A> : I was actually referring to the fact that the customers signed up with Teksavvy and not BELL.<br><br>IF they went with bell at 45 dollars a customer it adds up.<br><br>where as teksavvy is the competition get it?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 04:43:33 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/740101"><b>psydfx</b></A> : Bandwidth caps don't really play into throttling.  If you have a cap of 200gb a month, you'll still be able to max that at 80KB/s in a month. However the network would not suffer the same amount of congestion if you were throttled at 80KB/s for an entire month.  Whereas if they allow you to download the 200gb in a week instead that would put a lot more load on the network, especially if a large number of users are doing the same thing.<br><br>Think of it as a river.. even though DSL is individual circuits that are not shared, they eventually become shared. It's like a hundred little tributaries on a river, they all converge at one spot and become a river. If that river is a narrow channel, it'll be a raging river with all that water trying to get down it at once.  Now it starts to rain and rain and more and more water gets into those tributaries and try to get into that river. Eventually that river will max it's capacity and overflow.  <br><br>In a data world, it's the same thing, except water is the data and the river is the GigE card or whatever is trying to process that data when it all comes together. The only solution to remedy the problem before you can make the river bigger is to dam the tributaries and build dykes. Or in this case, throttle users until Bell gets it's shit together and increases capacity of it's network.<br><br>It's little to do with the amount of data over the long periods.. the rivers can handle a huge amount of water flowing all the time, it's when you get those rain storms and that river crests.  P2P software is the rainstorm causing the influx in large constant dataflow.<br><br>Now don't get me wrong, I am definitely not advocating what Bell has done. I don't agree with it at all. I think they should of been proactive instead of reactive. I'm just simply trying to offer a comparative analysis for those that don't quite seem to be understanding why or what has caused what is happening now.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 04:11:41 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/740101"><b>psydfx</b></A> : Your math is a little off though. Since Bell makes $20/customer from Teksavvy and most customers on Teksavvy are probably paying closer to $35/month. That leaves $15/customer to Teksavvy.<br><br>21000 x $15 = $315,000/month or $3.78mil/year<br><br>I think that would be a closer estimate to the profit Bell is losing. But then some of those customers are not on Bell's network as well, so it's probably less than that.<br><br>Not that it matters. It's still profit loss in the eyes of Bell and could be helping them to make the decision they've made to throttle.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/895655"><b>newSymp</b></A> : its all about a MONOPOLY they want to control.<br><br>IF teksavvy has 21,000+ customers<br><br>those are POTENTIONAL CUSTOMERS BELL COULD OF HAD!!<br><br>lets do some math Okay?<br><br>lets say those 21000 are average users.. and pay 45bucks a mont<br><br><b>21000customers x $45 ( 1 month ) = $945,000<br><br>945000 x 12 =  $11 340 000 </b><br><br>NOW THESE values aren't with tax <br><br>thats what it is about. its about the AMOUNT OF MONEY bell is losing because of GREAT companies like THESE!!]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 03:39:33 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/910861"><b>Rand2k1</b></A> : I see your point just fine.<br><br>I just don't see how it matters.<br><br>Yes it makes sense that ISPs don't want to use any more bandwidth than is necessary, especially serving other companies, possibly even direct competitors data.  Bandwidth costs money, we all know this.  Using less bandwidth = more profit.  More profit is good.  However Bell and other ISPs offer us a specific amount of bandwidth for a set cost.  If they can't handle every user using every bit of that bandwidth every month then they are doing something wrong.<br><br>Whether we use it sharing picture of our pets, downloading music, watching youtube, using bittorent to grab movies, lots of surfing or a truly epic session of ping shouldn't matter.<br><br>Its how much bandwidth we use, not the source or the reason.<br><br>They can't look at things on a best case scenario and go with that.<br><br>Someones elderly grandmother who only uses the internet to check email from her grandchildren and download recipes from bettycrocker.com shouldn't be used to set bandwidth policies.  It should be set by the absolute maximum cap the ISP decides to put on the user.<br><br>If you allow 100gb per month it doesn't matter if you every single user on the system hits that 100gb mark if they plan for it.<br><br>Its planning for people to use very small amounts and then finding people don't use those very small amounts that got us into this mess.<br><br>Sympatico, Rogers and other large ISPs are going about their  business in the very worst possible way.  They offer us a product that a heavy user would want but expect everyone to use it as if they were a very light user.<br><br>Its just not going to work.<br><br>They have to start looking at data as just that, data.  The source, destination and contents do not matter.  Set prices and caps accordingly.<br><br>Multiple tiers of service, low cap low cost, high cap high cost, some in between.<br><br>Say, 20gb/month for $25.  100gb/month for 50 and so on.  Bulk discounts and whatnot, but plan for every single user at every single tier to use the maximum and count yourself lucky when they don't.<br><br>Its like cellphone service.  You pay for your minutes.  If you got 500 minutes a month for example would you be expected to be kicked off or only allowed to make calls after 2am when you hit the 300 minute mark because your abusing the cell network?<br><br>If 300 is the maximum they want you to use at that cost then they should have just given you 300 minutes in the first place.<br><br>Same goes for ISPs.  Don't say I can use XXX amount of bandwidth then further dictate what I can do within that limit.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1437510"><b>KPaul</b></A> : &raquo;<A HREF="http://community.acanac.com/acanac/viewtopic.php?t=5584&start=16" >community.acanac.com/acanac/view&middot;&middot;&middot;start=16</A><br><br>Someone is already looking towards a lawsuit...  <br><br>Again, I will chip in whatever I can for ANY legal costs...<br><br>It may not be much, but I want to help dammit!<br><small>--<br>I hate rogers and their CRAP tech. support...  But, MAJOR kudos to the TekSavvy team!<br><br>Al Bundy - "Six bucks is too much money to spend on any woman."   it's too true sometimes :D</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><b>Guspaz</b></A> : It seems like all your concerns would be solved by a simple proximity algorithm on peer selection. Then P2P becomes cheaper for ISPs than other methods, as you save on bandwidth. In fact, the locality would a ton of bandwidth on the internet as a whole.<br><br>Multicast would also solve the problem with massive bandwidth savings.<br><br>P2P itself isn't the problem, the particular implementation (and in the case of Multicast, the lack of IPv6 adoption) is the problem. P2P clients should favour peers based on strict numbers of hops. The less hops used, the less aggregate bandwidth is consumed. As in, if I download a chunk at 1mbit per second from a remote host that is ten hops away, I've consumed 10mbit aggregate, because ten different links have to forward my data.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/670456"><b>LiQuiD</b></A> : You fail to see the point of what I wrote.  Thus why I didn't want to get into a discussion on whether or not P2P is good.  I gave my view, to offer a "devil's advocate" point of view on the technology, while still being against traffic shaping of any kind.<br><br>To clarify... I'm simply bringing out a reason *WHY* when it comes to P2P, rather than going the usual route (ie increase aggregate bandwidth), they will stand firm and throttle.  It's the fact that ISP's bear the grunt of the bandwidth for files being made available by others.  Others not being another residential user, but rather, as in the example, CBC.<br><br>If suddenly netflix were to get 8793487 new competitors, and everyone said "to hell with blu-ray" and suddenly the way to watch movies was to stream them online directly from the studio website/server to the end user, undoubtedly, the ISP's would respond by either increasing available bandwidth, or create caps on data to/from the movie studios (or something) so that they can profit from this new form of entertainment.  Certainly, they would not be throttling this.<br><br>We all know P2P is largely used for pirated material (for now), but I wanted to bring forward another reason why some ISP's would rather throttle it.  <br><small>--<br>Windows is the virus.  Linux is the vaccine, FreeBSD is the CURE</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/910861"><b>Rand2k1</b></A> : Who bears the burden of the bandwidth shouldn't matter though.<br><br>Teksavvy gives it premium accounts 200gb cap, Sympatico gives its users whatever they give them now (60gb?)<br><br>Until a customer reaches that level it shouldn't be any of their business what they do with their connection.  Provided it isn't directly damaging to other systems anyways (such as an infected computer being used in a botnet to DOS other sites or something.)<br><br>If a customer hits that cap then charge them extra, kick them off till next month, whatever.  Until that point though they should have no say in what we do.<br><br>When considering a cap a ISP should ask themselves one very important question: If every single customer on the system were to use every bit of their cap what would happen?<br><br>If the answer to that question is incredibly poor network performance, outages etc. then the cap is too high, or the network is underpowered, possibly (probably) both.<br><br>The fix isn't throttling.  It should be to lower caps or upgrade the network.  If it cost say $30/month from every ISP for 50gb and $5 for every 10gb beyond that, well OK then, I know what I'm getting into.  But don't give me a cap and do everything you can to prevent me from using as much of it as possible.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/670456"><b>LiQuiD</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  mazhurg <A HREF="/useremail/u/1000066"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>everything but 80, and even that if it gets encrypted. :(<br> </div>Can anyone confirm this?  I'm not much of a P2P user (I never thought it was a "good" technology) but if encrypted stuff is being throttled at large, including ports 993/995/25 for mail and any encrypted FTP traffic, this can effectively render internet access useless.  Might as well rebrand it "web browsing service" and not internet service.<br><br>That said, Here comes a little (edit: HUGE) rant from a different perspective.<br><br>I always had a bit of an issue with P2P, even for legitimate use (lets all acknowledge that for now, it's still mostly used for illegal content - big broad paint strokes here).  It's basically a way for residential ISP's to pay for the bandwidth involved in distribution of data.  If I'm CBC, and I want to make a show available online in traditional formats, I need to increase my bandwidth capacity for my network so I can sustain multiple downloads from my site.  As the originator of the data, which at the end of the day I probably have intellectual and other rights on, it **SHOULD** be my responsibility, namely from the financial aspect (bandwidth provisioning is not free obviously).  By using P2P, and having it seeded through residential P2P users, the more people there are seeding, the less CBC needs to use it's bandwidth to provide the content.  The residential ISP's as a whole pick up the tab, quite literally, as needless to say, transfers will not always be local.  This is the "issue" I always had with P2P, and why I always found it to be something that when looking at the forest from the trees, can be detrimental as a whole.  I also remember reading about all this extra data going back and forth using more bandwidth still, to support this "protocol"  (I use this term very loosely).<br><br>Now, I am not writing all this to spark a debate.  In fact, despite what I wrote, I am against this tactic, purely on principle.  I don't intend to debate, bat rather, I'm merely presenting a different point of view, to help ensure people approach this in an unbiased manner.  I am including this information so that EVERYONE knows what's involved in P2P, as most only look as far as their nose, and don't see why it's such a concern for ISP's.  Traffic management has been going on for YEARS, and no one ever complained as long as it didn't affect the majority of users.<br><br>I have a mail server running from home.  I enjoy doing sys-admin type stuff and do it from home, as well as work.  When most people blocked out port 25, a small minority rumbled, but in the end it was seen as good for the internet, to minimize all that spam/worm propagation.<br><br>I used to use my laptop to connect to samba shares at home regardless where I was connecting from, and enjoy the ability to have my personal files available to me on the go (usb sticks were not that big then - besides, it's much easier to have a network accessible central location for files).  Then netbios ports were blocked, pretty much across all ISP's.  That's traffic shaping too.  Because it blocked out all that cheesy opening/closing cdrom's remotely and other junk/viruses/worms, it was largely regarded as "good for the internet." and life went on.<br><br>These two examples are established protocols around since way before many P2P users were born.  How come so few complained then?<br><br>This brings me back to the point at hand.  Do not misunderstand me.  I must reiterate that I am completely against this sort of behaviour.  I prefer the responsibility be laid on users, and that ISP's can simply whack their knuckles and local-loop their connections if they can't secure their sh!t. Understand however that it can't go both ways, and that it should be **ALL** or **NOTHING** <br><br>P2P may be "efficient" to the distributor, and apparently to the end user (I still don't see how it is efficient to the end user, as I've seen countless downloads over the years, especially when my brother downloaded mp3's be of poor quality due to the simple fact that it's seeded, and this method can lead to crc errors, but THAT is something we can probably debate elsewhere till the cows come home.  I'll skip giving specific examples).  At the end of the day though, it is all but efficient for residential ISP's.  Again, P2P means instead of CBC (and others) bearing the financial burden of providing online content, they pass the buck to the small residential ISP's.  <br><small>--<br>Windows is the virus.  Linux is the vaccine, FreeBSD is the CURE</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1435323"><b>ftp1020</b></A> : Cellular and POTS ... guess which company doesn't stand a chance from now on?<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20226556?c=1290572&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDIyMzIyMS54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="80700 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=492 SRC="/r0/download/1290572.thumb600~a55eea7f7c4ec60ee015080722c30e54/NewBell.jpg/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1540128"><b>Pleasebetrue</b></A> : Well I signed up to DSL reports. Same day (not now) someone will have to explain the joke to me. And F**K Bell!]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 01:06:12 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1433477"><b>NBomb</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Angelo_ <A HREF="/useremail/u/646748"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>floatingbananasja5.jpg<br> </div>...I'm shocked and also a little afraid.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 00:53:09 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/646748"><b>Angelo_</b></A> : <IMG SRC="http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/4215/floatingbananasja5.jpg" width=700>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 00:49:20 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1429986"><b>shikotee</b></A> : This is Farggin War!]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 00:45:31 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Though I don't understand the joke, this is for the TSI staff for the fight ahead.<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/4215/floatingbananasja5.jpg" >img178.imageshack.us/img178/4215&middot;&middot;&middot;sja5.jpg</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 00:37:24 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1438762"><b>hidea</b></A> : &raquo;<A HREF="http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080325-canadian-isps-furious-about-bell-canadas-traffic-throttling.html" >arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20&middot;&middot;&middot;ing.html</A><br><br>Posted on ArsTechnica. ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 00:30:07 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : When Bell started throttling, I got rid of my Bell land line and DSL and went to a non-Bell/Rogers cell phone and TekSavvy DSL.<br><br>Now Bell is going to screw people again?<br><br>I purposely stated when I quit that it was because of throttling. Did they lose enough people that they need to screw other companies?<br>Or is the MAFIAA paying off Bell to have them do this?<br><br>This is why we need net neutrality. Corporate corruption and abuse of power.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 00:22:06 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1325242"><b>nochaos</b></A> : Absolutely.<br>They should go to Cogeco and learn.<br>I just hope that this is not going to push me back into Cogeco's arms...<br><br>I will wait for a while. <br>One thing for sure - I will NEVER subscribe to ANY Bell services, EVER again.<br><br>Gee...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1442161"><b>inferno_gn</b></A> : Hi there,<br><br>Can Teksavvy actually do an e-mail to all 21k customers explaining the situation and what is going on on the throttling, at least we have a clear and official statement on what we can do and so forth, since I know not all 21k peoples comes here. *lol*<br><br>inferno_gn<br><small>--<br>Otaku Anime Network<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.otakuanime.com/" >www.otakuanime.com/</A></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 00:02:23 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Another place you (the consumer) can complain to, and hope they take on the fight is www.cippic.ca, The Canadian Internet Policy and Public Interest Clinic (CIPPIC).<br><br>"The clinic represents consumer and other public interests in such areas as intellectual property, consumer protection in e-commerce, domain name governance, personal information protection and privacy."<br><br>Sure would fall under "consumer protection in e-commerce" since your bought service is being hampered to the point of almost useless.<br><br>Philippa Lawson Director Tel.: 613-562-5800 x.2556 <br>Email: plawson[-AT-]uottawa[DOT]ca<br><br>Lets see what they say. These would be a good bunch of people to inquire about a class action with.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:55:24 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/706116"><b>The Flash</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  TOPDAWG <A HREF="/useremail/u/1195536"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Well I'm not being throttled here far as I can tell. So is this only effecting some areas right now and will be all over in April?<br> </div>April 7th will be the end.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:20:59 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : I love this comment from Digg:<br><br>How can a telecommunication seller justify degrading data pipes based on content when it sells the pipes for bandwith in the first place???]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:14:19 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1497978"><b>Mersault</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  HiVolt <A HREF="/useremail/u/273051"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I just had a t-shirt idea... :D<br> </div>I would buy that for a dollar!]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:12:14 EDT</pubDate>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:11:04 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1274664"><b>robertfl</b></A> : you do understand that there is already a bt client in the works that will override this bullcrap. don't know where or when it will be released but it will be available.<br><br>-rob]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:10:25 EDT</pubDate>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:05:15 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1454856"><b>Jman99</b></A> : Bell is forced by law to sell to 3rd party companies (like TS). If they weren't, Bell would never let them in and TS/similar wouldn't exist. Bell is basically exploiting a loophole. So we need to close the loopholes and slap Bell hard.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:04:32 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : re: ADSLS2<br><br>What is the point of increase DSL speeds now ?<br><br>Lets face it, increased speeds will make a big difference only when downloading large files or live TV feeds (which are like large files in that they generate constant traffic for a lengthy period of time).<br><br>The higher speeds will permit the very applications that are bandwidth intensive and which will bring down the fragile Bell backbone network that isn't capable of handling the current load (forcing bell to *reluctantly* throttle everyone :-)<br><br>If what the CBC did by distributing a program via Torrrent catches on, then torrents will become a very legitimate mass distribution medium that actually does reduce costs since it spreads the load. ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:01:40 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1195536"><b>TOPDAWG</b></A> : Well I'm not being throttled here far as I can tell. So is this only effecting some areas right now and will be all over in April?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:01:04 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/706116"><b>The Flash</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  jfmezei <A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>>CTV and Bell Globe Media also now own City TV. Doubt very <br>>much he will bite the hand that feeds him.<br><br>Bell sold off Glomedia. It is now CTV Globemedia. And It was straddled with the offer Bell Glomedia had made to buy all of CHUM and CTV couldn't afford it all, so a number of CHUM specialty stations were sold to Rogers to raise cash to buy the rest.<br><br>City-TV is CTV, but CHUM radio is rogers. They are now competitors.<br> </div>I thought the CRTC forced them to sell...<br><br>Anyways, the media companies are very confusing.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:59:49 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : The CRTC doesn't get involved in regulation of the internet or services as of yet.<br><br>A lot of businesses use P2P as a legit medium now.  That would include recently the CBC as well.  I'm not a Sympatico or TekSavvy user, but I think the message will be loud and clear.  Time to find another ISP.<br><br>ComCast was sued for doing this State side.  Looks like that pic Angelo_ posted of Rocky, just about sums up what's about to happen with Bell.  You figured they learned from the last time users spoke out in such great numbers on an issue with regards to service.  That was back in 2002 I think with the 4 Gig Upload and Download Cap they put on everyone.  That was quickly lifted, because a lot of people left Bell, beacuse of that issue.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:55:27 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/855959"><b>dcorreia</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  TekDogg <A HREF="/useremail/u/1206499"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  pwnedrice <A HREF="/useremail/u/1353012"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>anyone want to email ...or CityNews's Silverman Helps? </div>CTV and Bell Globe Media also now own City TV.  Doubt very much he will bite the hand that feeds him.  Man, the teachers union really screwed us over.<br></div>iirc, citytv is now owned by Rogers, and cp24 is under ctv globemedia. Bell globemedia no longer exists after bell sold the majority of its stake in the company to other companies such as otpp etc.<br><br>see bottom of site: &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.citytv.com/toronto/default.aspx" >www.citytv.com/toronto/default.aspx</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : >CTV and Bell Globe Media also now own City TV. Doubt very <br>>much he will bite the hand that feeds him.<br><br>Bell sold off Glomedia. It is now CTV Globemedia. And It was straddled with the offer Bell Glomedia had made to buy all of CHUM and CTV couldn't afford it all, so a number of CHUM specialty stations were sold to Rogers to raise cash to buy the rest.<br><br>City-TV is CTV, but CHUM radio is rogers. They are now competitors.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:53:48 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1535240"><b>GKC</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  jfmezei <A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Has anyone considered re-awakening Ralph Doncaster and bring him back from Nova Scotaia to fight Bell ? Just the thought of that might force Bell to reconsider :-)<br> </div>...or better still, <i>Clayton Ruby</i>.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206499"><b>TekDogg</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  pwnedrice <A HREF="/useremail/u/1353012"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>anyone want to email ...or CityNews's Silverman Helps? </div>CTV and Bell Globe Media also now own City TV.  Doubt very much he will bite the hand that feeds him.  Man, the teachers union really screwed us over.<br><br>World of Warcraft (and other applications) also use peer2peer to distribute patches.  Does Bell also consider that illegal activity?  Since when has the CRTC given them the authority to be police, judge, and jury?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : >You may not be aware that the Commission does not regulate <br>>the rates, quality of service or business practices for <br>>Internet Service Providers<br><br>We are not talking about a service offered by an ISP. We are talking about a regulated service offered commercially by Bell to ISPs. Look up tariff 5410 (GAS) on Bell's web site. ( I posted the address for the .PDF ih a few places already).<br><br>The big question is whether the public can make official participation in that process.<br><br>Has anyone considered re-awakening Ralph Doncaster and bring him back from Nova Scotaia to fight Bell ? Just the thought of that might force Bell to reconsider :-)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/895655"><b>newSymp</b></A> : is that the new Teksavvy ad?<br><br>muahahahahaha lol thats hilarious]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1522014"><b>Radar73</b></A> : LOL!!!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/273051"><b>HiVolt</b></A> : HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA ANGELO!!!!!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1535240"><b>GKC</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  newSymp <A HREF="/useremail/u/895655"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>This is tactics of a business that knows is in trouble for losing customers, and clients, from people switching to other services, and thus will do anything.   </div><i><b>Exactly!</i></b>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:35:45 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1509403"><b>Cybrspin</b></A> : ahahhahahahahahaha]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1528174"><b>NeoStylez</b></A> : lol]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:33:47 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/646748"><b>Angelo_</b></A> : gl Rocky :)<br><IMG SRC="http://outdoorlife.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/10/22/beaver.jpg">]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:33:02 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/895655"><b>newSymp</b></A> : as you can see this is a marketing and monopoly trick that bell is conducting.<br><br>In the response from Bell the statement states<br> <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>Network carriers such as Bell argue that bandwidth-intensive applications, such as peer-to-peer file transfer programs clog their networks, which results in slow connections for the rest of their customers,<hr></blockquote><br><br>Basically beyond their own traffic they are saying that 3rd party DSL is affecting the quality of BELL customers.<br><br>SO they ( MONOPOLY ) are thinking that if they throttle others neetwork ( teksavvy ) that their issues ( BELL's ) will be solved.<br><br>This is a tactic that they are using to blame the third party DSL because bell is losing customers and peopl ehave the option to go to 3rd party DSL for much lower costs for the same service or bell ( Teksavvy ).<br><br>The terms MONOPOLY POWER are not clearly pointed out, but reread the globe article and it is Clearly Printed.<br><br>Also yesterday someone posted an add from bell displaying the "Fastest Internet Available" - - - - well it can be faster then anyone else cause they might remove their throttles and throttle 3rd party dsl customers and make the 3rd party internet slower the the MonoPOLY hold that bell has.<br><br>This is tactics of a business that knows is in trouble for losing customers, and clients, from people switching to other services, and thus will do anything.  Example the thread started out blamin gteksavvy with throttling, but in the end it was really bell.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1522014"><b>Radar73</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  HiVolt <A HREF="/useremail/u/273051"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>CBC's Marketplace should do an episode on this debacle.<br> </div> <br>I emailed them on Sunday to give them the story idea about this, a follow-up to their speed vs advertising story where they hit Bell pretty hard compared to Rogers and Telus.  It probably wouldn't hurt if others suggested it too.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:30:34 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1454856"><b>Jman99</b></A> : I hope this is the tipping point for creation of an "Internet CRTC". We need net neutrality laws NOW. We have to stop these last-mile providers from dictating how we use the internet.<br><br>What they are doing should be considered illegal, currently it is probably just at the level of bad faith.<br><br>The big advantage of DSL over cable has always been that the link is unshared at the neighbourhood level, such that any congestion occurs at the more convenient distribution points where changes/upgrades can be made. Bell is acting like their network is being saturated to death by "greedy p2p kiddies" but that is just not true. They may be too cheap to upgrade capacity further up in their network but that is their problem.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/273051"><b>HiVolt</b></A> : CBC's Marketplace should do an episode on this debacle.<br><small>--<br>GO LEAFS GO!<br>Don't question the authoritaaaa!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1441498"><b>Kokanee483</b></A> : Best of luck in fighting the good fight TS, I'll stick with my connection until you get this business sorted out!]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:23:59 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : If teksavvy gets this fixed, I will definitely be switching, just for morality]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:22:14 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/809302"><b>justsometech</b></A> : and Rocky, and really the company as a whole, i hope you have already been talking to a legal team...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : &raquo;<A HREF="http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/cbc/080325/canada/technology_bell_throttling" >ca.news.yahoo.com/s/cbc/080325/c&middot;&middot;&middot;rottling</A><br><br>An article on the issue, but not accurate enough - they mention Teksavvy but do NOT mention that Bell is throttling RESELLERS, i.e. customers of ISPs OTHER than Bell.<br><br>Could anyone contact them to make them correct the story?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/809302"><b>justsometech</b></A> : here is what i have done, i hope all of you in the forum are putting action to words:<br>emailed my federal and ontario MP<br> filed a complaint with the competition bureau here:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.competitionbureau.gc.ca/epic/site/cb-bc.nsf/en/01260e.html" >www.competitionbureau.gc.ca/epic&middot;&middot;&middot;60e.html</A><br><br>emailed the public interest advocacy center:<br>piac@piac.ca<br><br>as well as the minister of industry:<br>Minister.Industry@ic.gc.ca<br><br>I would have filed a complaitn with CCTS but it said if comp. bureau is handling the complaint they wont work it, so i will wait and see how that goes.<br><br>i hope you guys do the same]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:13:03 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1535240"><b>GKC</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  quickbeam <A HREF="/useremail/u/820001"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I vow to NEVER get another Bell service unless it is the ONLY choice OR they decide to reverse this horrible mistake they seem to be making.<br> </div>I'm right behind you on that one.  As soon as TekSavvy launches their home phone, I'll leave Bell indefinitely.  I, too, refuse to do any more business with them.  Like everyone, I thought by coming over to TSI I thought I wouldn't have to deal with anymore of this BS with throttling and traffic-shaping.  Words can't express my anger at this moment.<br><br>Now, as a side note, Rocky, since Bell already has a Cellular Class Action law suit against them <br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.merchantlaw.com/cellular.html" >www.merchantlaw.com/cellular.html</A><br><br>what would be our changes of contacting this firm and further requesting the Class Action lawsuit be updated to include Bell's throttling on Wholesale ISPs?  Nothing ventured, nothing gained.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:10:59 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1464871"><b>blackdragon1</b></A> : Wow. Thats actually a perfect example. <br><br>Bell needs to stop acting like control freaks and start co-operating with other ISP's and customers better...]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:06:47 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/820001"><b>quickbeam</b></A> : I have no Bell services as of 1 month ago.  This latest news really upsets me.  I wish you all the best in your attempts to get your services back.<br><br>Rocky I can't begin to imagine how furious you must be and commend you on your composure.<br><br>I vow to NEVER get another Bell service unless it is the ONLY choice OR they decide to reverse this horrible mistake they seem to be making.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1509988"><b>j3richo</b></A> : that's good to here, hopefully this will make it easier for 3rd party ISPs to rape Bell in court.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><b>R0CKY</b></A> : Here's the thing gang... (I was going to leave, but I wanted to post this last bit first!).<br><br>In this particular article ( &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080325.wgtinternet26/BNStory/Technology/home" >www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/&middot;&middot;&middot;ogy/home</A> ) I think I might have realized where the major flaw is Bell's thought process!<br><br>**************************************************************************<br><br>Based on Laszlo's comment on the ability to do what they want to the network.  This is the exact problem and where Bell doesn't get it.  TekSavvy and all third party ISPs are paying for a "slice" of this network, so no, it's not Bell's at that point.  They're paid to make sure the infrastructure remains in good shape, but they're not paid to police it!  The flaw in Bell's thought is in their not understanding that we've paid for the right to this space... We've paid for multiple Gig-E connections for the data to flow back to; we've paid for the DSL aggregation interface (AHSSPI) and we're also paying on a per user basis (approx $20/month) to have the data relayed directly back to our main point of Interconnect.<br> <br>So, in short, no, they don't have rights to this network segment... An easy analogy would be a landlord, who is managing an apartment, gives himself a key to come in and out as he pleases and on top of that decide which tenants friends they let in!  I'm not sure about you, but I'm fairly certain, one; the tenant would call the police, but two; you'd land up with a very big black-eye!<br><br>**************************************************************************<br><br>Rocky<br><small>--<br>TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:48:22 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  R0CKY <A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>They claim they are allowed to do so according to their Terms and Services under the Fair Usage Policy in the tariffed contracts...</div>Anyone have a link to this "Policy"? I'd like to read EXACTLY what it says.<br><br>If I've got this right, Bell sells a fixed bandwidth 'passthrough' capacity to Teksavvy, and then arrogates upon itself a "right" to constrain the actual usage of it? For some reason, the word "fraud" comes to mind...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/835558"><b>matradley</b></A> : You are correct. When they begin to "shape" the packets, all other packets begin to suffer. I have mentioned since I started to get throttled in my area that I saw a variant of +~20ms to 200ms on hops between routers. This will definitely destroy any chance of using real-time services such as VoIP, games, etc... I think that once you trigger traffic shaping, the Cisco router must be looking at each packet moving through to ensure that only HTTP based TCP packets are getting priority. They should have established a better QoS policy over throttling to ensure that the protocols get priority when they are being requested rather than monitoring all packets to form to a policy. It is ridiculous to think that they need to shape packets especially packets that do not belong to NEXXIA.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1325242"><b>nochaos</b></A> : My main use of TSI is for Streaming Internet TV and occasionally doing some p2p downloads. Now, a lot of TV is starting to be done (LEGALLY, see CBC, BBC) by using p2p technology. So that part of my TV is killed right away.<br><br>What is eating me though is that their "intelligent" throttling is not even close to being that - "intelligent". <br>Since they started throttling I cannot watch almost any high bandwidth (read high quality) TV streaming! When I noticed the obvious issues I went and checked what was going on.<br><br>Let me make this clear - before I did my testing I did NOT read in the forums or the press about any throttling being done. I just noticed the HUGE difference in Internet TV quality (majority of the streams are now unusable -  and I am NOT referring to p2p TV). I went testing...<br><br>Results:<br>DL/UL speeds are ok - even though now there are some occasional drops - probably due to throttling as well. <br>BUT wait... QoS is a DISASTER! <br>Go check at myvoipspeed.visualware.com, where there is a QoS part to the test and you will see what I mean.<br>BEFORE the TSI results were STELLAR!<br><br>I am beyond furious as this leaves us with no alternative.<br>BTW, I was with Cogeco before - their p2p throttling was silky smooth. If you did no p2p you would not know anything was throttled.<br><br>Either Bell is doing much more throttling than p2p, OR they are idiots.<br><br>Let me see.... I think it's both.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:36:02 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Keep fighting the good fight man. Much appreciated. :)<br><br>And I'd like to happily eat my words about the G&M not printing anything about this due to their affiliations with BCE. Good to see that there's some corporate responsibility still out there.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:34:13 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/630091"><b>Riplin</b></A> : Good luck!  I'm already in talks with people I know to drop bell expressvu and some are going to cable voip and dropping bell landline. The people that aren't up to par with whats going on will listen to a tech savvy person. You hear/see this bell? I know your lookin. You can shove all your services where the sun don't shine. Later<br><br>Oh ffs ignore that bell thing under my nick, I've already asked dslr to be able to remove it but they won't]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:33:14 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1511627"><b>Grounded</b></A> : Rocky has already laid out a series of clear steps for us to take.  I think that ideas of attacking Bell in any way would only serve to undermine our cause.  (As tempting as those ideas are.)  <br><br>As Rocky indicated, he gave us only a partial list, so there may well be other actions we can take.  I suspect that 20,000 calls to our respective city councillors, MPPs, and MPs will help to stir up the conversation.  I know these parties can't actually force change, but they can certainly help amp up the volume & attention with those who do have some sway on this matter. <br><br>The CBC & Globe stories are a great start.  Let's see if we can keep this boiling.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><b>R0CKY</b></A> : Ok gang,<br><br>I have to head to Toronto now, so I won't be posting anything for a bit.  Will be talking with various people tomorrow there to see what comes next.<br><br>Talk to you all later!<br><br>Regards,<br><br>Rocky<br><small>--<br>TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1521982"><b>GIGABIT</b></A> : OK, then we'll just flood him with phone calls tomorrow.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1508357"><b>nanook</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  GIGABIT <A HREF="/useremail/u/1521982"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Maybe we should write to this Jason Laszlo.</div>Total waste of time. He is just a mouthpiece whose job is to deflect negative comments directed at Bell. He has no power to do anything and those who do (Sabia, Crull, Cope, et al) are too busy counting the megabucks they will get once the OTPP deal closes. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : I will certainly change ISP from Bell to TekSavvy next month (Regardless of the throttling, even if it's a PIA)<br>just one question : Is the throttling the same for Standard DSL and Dry loop DSL ?<br>Or do they behave differently ?<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Stephane]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1521982"><b>GIGABIT</b></A> : Maybe we should write to this Jason Laszlo. His email and phone number is available on the bce.ca contact web page.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1508357"><b>nanook</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by dddd :</small><br><br>I say we all do a style of Distributed Denial of Service Attacks on BCE, and Family sites everyday till bell gets the message...</div>Or at least until the police come knocking on your door and arrest you :(]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/539077"><b>sbrook</b></A> : You want to end up in gaol?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : there is an other way to get our message across.. <br><br>and that message would be in the form of Online Protesting bell<br><br>by doing this <br><br>I say we all do a style of Distributed Denial of Service Attacks on BCE, and Family sites everyday till bell gets the message.....<br><br>we all go to the BCE and Family sites all at the same time everyday and keep refreshing for 3 hrs a day untill they take the shaping off.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2778/135/" >www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2778/135/</A><br>This might have been posted before but the last two paragraphs are good. Anti-competitive for sure and in lots of ways.<br>Cheers]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1442161"><b>inferno_gn</b></A> : Hi there,<br><br>We should really start a campaign, both online and in the real world.  *lol*  I'm going to make a poster and stick it on my car window.<br><br>inferno_gn<br><small>--<br>Otaku Anime Network<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.otakuanime.com/" >www.otakuanime.com/</A></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1000066"><b>mazhurg</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  ultracat <A HREF="/useremail/u/1524803"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>If anyone is actually launching a class action lawsuit then please pm me the law firm's info.  I will add my name to it, no BS.<br> </div>Same here, Count me in. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1137179"><b>koreyb</b></A> : Bell is cocky.. they always have been... I was told right from a rep when I dropped them for all services..   "DO YOU THINK WE CARE ABOUT YOU?   WE HAVE MILLIONS OF CUSTOMERS AND YOUR ONLY ONE OF A FEW WHO ARE LEAVING"   Well that sealed the deal.  I haven't used them for anything directly since.<br><br>They still are a monopoly and will think like one until they really start hurting and they fall... And they will... at some point.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1524803"><b>ultracat</b></A> : Now here's what really, really, really irritates me about this.  In the last couple of weeks I've notice my pings on xbox live gaming have been lower than normal.  It's definitely translating into some in-game lag.  Sure I do some p2p downloading, but it's not heave nor constant.  What I DO constantly with my connection is gaming.  <br><br>Now they'll say it's not related or that they have 'intelliegent' filters/throttling and there's 'no way' my gaming is being affected but I guarantee you that it is.  I work in IT.  I know all about these 'intelligent' network appliances and the 'intelligent' people that program them.  It's a brute force attack.  Not only is legal P2P being wrongly targeted by this move, I'm almost 100% certain things like VOIP and/or online gaming are being affected.  That, for me, is NOT ACCEPTABLE.<br><br>P2P is not illegal.  Taking money from me and then not providing the service promised IS ILLEGAL (I'm talking to you Bell Canada, not TSI).  FUCK YOU BELL.<br><br>I'm tired of empty forums talk.  If anyone is actually launching a class action lawsuit then please pm me the law firm's info.  I will add my name to it, no BS.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1433658"><b>Gwai Lo Dan</b></A> : It would be interesting from a business strategy point of view if Bell's actions causes 3rd parties to grow (i.e., get more infrastructure), minimise the business it gives to Bell, and leads to Bell losing revenue and profit.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1137179"><b>koreyb</b></A> : 1st step is cancel as much as possible with Bell... that will send some messages to them.<br><br>I think if all the ISP's join an alliance they can make some headway, and if not, pool funds to put in their own DSLAMS. But I have a feeling the government may step in.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/216163"><b>kingb71</b></A> : there's gotta be another way to send a message to them. <br>things will only get worse once the teachers get their greedy hands on BCE.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/543718"><b>ToniCipriani</b></A> : I reckon we should all set up a rally outside Bell's corporate offices... :D]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:28:54 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1000066"><b>mazhurg</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  fatness <A HREF="/useremail/u/243195"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by Globe and Mail article :</small><br><br>Mr. Gaudrault has already contacted other third-party ISPs that deal with Bell about their next move, which could involve setting up their own infrastructure, but they have yet to make any plans.??<br> </div> </div>Read that too, however this should be a long term solution. It unfortunately will not help in the short/medium term. No, short to medium will have to be dealt with through legislation (which is an oxymoron in itself) I am afraid. In any case, Bell is losing yet another customer (Satellite) and am thinking on dropping the land line (but unfortunatly will have to keep a dry until some other option is available) to show my displeasure.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1508357"><b>nanook</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by G&M :</small><br><br>According to the company's website, its high-end residential DSL package offers download speeds of up to <b>5 megabytes a second</b>.<br><br>However customers are reporting that during peak hours &#150; between 4 p.m. and 2 a.m. &#150; peer-to-peer download speeds have fallen to between 30 and 60 kilobytes a second, Mr. Gaudrault said.</div>More proof that reporters do not know technology from entertainment.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/243195"><b>fatness</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by Globe and Mail article :</small><br><br>Mr. Gaudrault has already contacted other third-party ISPs that deal with Bell about their next move, which could involve setting up their own infrastructure, but they have yet to make any plans.??<br> </div><br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.livescience.com/animals/071218-monkey-call.html">Female monkeys often utter loud, distinctive calls before, during or after sex.<a>.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1484420"><b>brad</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  pwnedrice <A HREF="/useremail/u/1353012"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>quote from jessejr's article:<br><br>"The Internet is only a few years old, if the plan is to keep using it in the future, ISPs need to upgrade their networks. So, invest in more Internet gateway capacity, 10Gbps interconnect ports, and peering agreements. BitTorrent users are not the problem, they only signal that the ISPs need to upgrade their capacity, because customers will only get more demanding in the future. The Internet is not only about sending email, and browsing on text based websites anymore."<br><br>THANK YOU!!! someone UNDERSTANDS!!!<br> </div>I can't help but laugh at the ignorance. 20 years old is far from "a few years old".]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/982977"><b>AMailer</b></A> : Is this true? :P<br> <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>Teksavvy touts unlimited bandwidth use as a selling point to its customers, and has become a favourite ISP for peer-to-peer and torrent users in Ontario.<hr></blockquote>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/946972"><b>bbuchanan</b></A> : This just showed up on the Globe and Mail web site:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080325.wgtinternet26/BNStory/Technology/home" >www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/&middot;&middot;&middot;ogy/home</A><br><br><blockquote><br>Bell irks ISPs with new throttling policy<br>MATT HARTLEY <br><br>Globe and Mail Update<br><br>March 25, 2008 at 8:05 PM EDT<br><br>Rocky Gaudrault wants Bell Canada to take its hands off his customers' data.<br><br>The chief executive officer of Teksavvy Solutions Inc., an Internet service provider (ISP) based in Chatham, Ont., says a new plan from Bell to &#147;manage&#148; the Internet traffic on his network is compromising the service he offers his customers.<br><br>For more than a year, Bell and other Canadian ISPs have utilized &#147;shaping&#148; techniques, essentially slowing down certain kinds of Internet activity on their networks while giving priority to other data. Most of the traffic being shaped is peer-to-peer traffic, which is used to transmit large files, such as movie files.<br><br>Until recently, Bell did not shape or restrict the Internet traffic of third-party ISPs, which rent network access on the company's cables and infrastructure.<br><br>But last week, some of Mr. Gaudrault's 21,000 high-speed Internet clients began to report their connections were slowing down, and they wanted to know why. That's when he discovered Bell was restricting the torrent and peer-to-peer traffic of Teksavvy customers.<br><br>&#147;They [Bell] are screwing with our data, which is not their property,&#148; he said. &#147;Every single third-party ISP in Canada is going to be affected by this.&#148;<br><br>Network carriers such as Bell argue that bandwidth-intensive applications, such as peer-to-peer file transfer programs clog their networks, which results in slow connections for the rest of their customers, similar to how a slow-moving tractor trailer can impede the flow of traffic on a highway.<br><br>Bell Canada spokesman Jason Laszlo said the company has every right to limit the amount of bandwidth certain applications can consume on its networks and those it rents to third-party ISPs.<br><br>&#147;This isn't a new policy,&#148; he said. &#147;Our agreements with wholesale ISP customers clearly include provisions regarding our rights to manage our networks appropriately to the benefit of all customers.&#148;<br><br>Bell began implementing its third-party ISP traffic shaping policy on March 14 and plans to have the program implemented across its entire network by April 7.<br><br>Teksavvy touts unlimited bandwidth use as a selling point to its customers, and has become a favourite ISP for peer-to-peer and torrent users in Ontario.<br><br>According to the company's website, its high-end residential DSL package offers download speeds of up to 5 megabytes a second.<br><br>However customers are reporting that during peak hours &#150; between 4 p.m. and 2 a.m. &#150; peer-to-peer download speeds have fallen to between 30 and 60 kilobytes a second, Mr. Gaudrault said.<br><br>Teksavvy has purchased its network access from Bell since it was founded 10 years ago, and the move comes as a &#147;slap in the face,&#148; he said.<br><br>&#147;They've given themselves the right to data which isn't theirs and obviously in my mind that is an issue and they seem to not think so,&#148; he said. ??<br><br>Mr. Gaudrault has already contacted other third-party ISPs that deal with Bell about their next move, which could involve setting up their own infrastructure, but they have yet to make any plans.??<br><br>Proponents of the unwritten code of Net Neutrality contend that all Internet traffic must be treated equally and that ISPs shouldn't be allowed to restrict the flow of any online data.<br><br>Estimates vary, but analysts believe peer-to-peer and torrent traffic accounts for anywhere from 70 to 90 per cent of online bandwidth use, but emanates from as few as 5 to 10 per cent of all users.<br><br>In addition to peer-to-peer and torrent traffic, ISPs are experiencing bandwidth shortages due to the increased use of video sites such as YouTube and the growing popularity of voice over Internet protocol (VoIP) telephony.<br><br>Rogers Communications Inc. has shaped traffic on its own networks since 2005, but a spokeswoman for the company could not say whether it also shapes third-party ISP traffic.<br><br>Telus Corp. has stated it does not manage or shape any of the traffic on its networks.<br><br></blockquote><br><small>--<br>Nexicom - &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.nexicom.net" >www.nexicom.net</A></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/928757"><b>Ikarasu</b></A> : I hope Telus doesn't start with this crap. They seem more lenient on it though... I feel for you guys however. Gonna start sending E-mails out tonight, and following the steps, might not do much since they're not throttling in my area, but hopefully it can get Bells throttling reversed, and prevent further spread :\]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1508357"><b>nanook</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  mazhurg <A HREF="/useremail/u/1000066"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Can't they at least get the story right? They not only throttle their own sympatico users, all the power to them, but all the other INDEPENDANT ISPs that really have nothing to do with Sympatico.</div>You have to understand that reporters, including "technology" reporters are not too swift. They print whatever Bell (or TekSavvy) spokespeople tell them, usually with no additional critical thinking or analysis. That stuff comes later, if at all, by columnists like Kapica.<br><br><div class="bquote">If Bell can't even honestly tell the whole story</div>The job of Bell's mouthpiece is to spin the story so that Bell comes out in the best of light. Their job is not to mention that third-party DSL ISPs like TSI are also affected (unless it suits their purpose to do so.)<br><br>BTW this has nothing to do with Bell's minority ownership position in the G&M. I doubt anyone at a high enough level at the G&M to influence the story is even aware of the issues. In any case, the G&M has written many stories that are critical of Bell and Sympatico, including several by Kapica. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/982977"><b>AMailer</b></A> : I'd love that to happen, but I believe its too expensive..I had asked just this question before, if it were possible, I wish it were.<br><small>--<br>www.AaronDM.com<br>Web developer & designer  :D</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1109355"><b>DabberDan</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Guspaz <A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Depends. Apparently Primus colocates their own equipment in many of Bell's COs.<br><br>If you're serviced by such a CO, then no, Primus would not be throttled. If you aren't, then yes, Primus would be throttled.<br> </div>Would probably be quite the investment for TSI to set this up so that they wouldn't be affected by any of Bell's tactic.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1385167"><b>rogeryen</b></A> : there are 2 active threads there now, one in OT and the other one in the Computer forum, imo they should be moved to Shopping Discussions where there is a lot more traffic and that's where the corporate bashings are done:P.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1531430"><b>mudman2479</b></A> : Been posting there for a couple days now and keeping RFD up to date but they have been moving my threads where their is not a lot of traffic]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1385167"><b>rogeryen</b></A> : yeah but I'd like to stop giving my money to Bell right now....not when TS phone is available a few years later.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1519103"><b>mathd</b></A> : teksavvy just to make they own lines anymore so they dont need to go trough bell's one.<br>and so get the only officially non-throttled isp lol, see everyone comming to teksavvy!!!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1511627"><b>Grounded</b></A> : I know that TS phone is coming...  <br><br>In the meantime (and generally, in addition to,) couldn't TS team up with cell phone service to offer TS cellular.  I realize it won't be much more than branding, but surely it would work out to a good deal as TS would be bringing in a substantial number of customers.  I'd certainly feel good about teaming with TS on cell service.  I'd be able to immediately drop my Bell line though not my Bell copper, urgh. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : I just did a quick test downloading ubuntu<br>from a local mirror i got 700 kB/s<br>via bittorrent i maxed around 40 kB/s<br><br>downloaded ubuntu a year ago via bittorrent and got around 600 kB/s<br><br>i am a bell subscriber]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1385167"><b>rogeryen</b></A> : OK I'm ready to leave Bell Home Phone, but since I only use the most most most basic phone service(no options, just local calls, 20 some dollars a month), what are my best options? I'd only want landlines only though.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1514256"><b>alec</b></A> : TekSavvy to offer Cable internet anytime soon? lol]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1386669"><b>W16</b></A> : &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/" >www.theglobeandmail.com/</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:30:21 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1528661"><b>Chaos_Armed</b></A> : If it's not illegal or anything it would be nice if someone would post it up? Is the Globe and Mail available in Canada?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:29:32 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1528174"><b>NeoStylez</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Gwai Lo Dan <A HREF="/useremail/u/1433658"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by AnoniChris  :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Gwai Lo Dan <A HREF="/useremail/u/1433658"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>I sent an email to the Globe and Mail suggesting the issue as a story.<br> </div>Which will promptly get ignored. The Globe and Mail is owned by CTVGlobeMedia, who also happens to be the owner of... BCE! You'd be better off trying to get CBC, the National Post, the Sun, and the Toronto Star to pick it up.<br> </div>I just heard back from the Globe.  The story is filed for tomorrow's paper so look for it!<br> </div>Nice!!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1137179"><b>koreyb</b></A> : We will see how bias the spin is on it.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:28:06 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1433658"><b>Gwai Lo Dan</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by AnoniChris :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Gwai Lo Dan <A HREF="/useremail/u/1433658"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>I sent an email to the Globe and Mail suggesting the issue as a story.<br> </div>Which will promptly get ignored. The Globe and Mail is owned by CTVGlobeMedia, who also happens to be the owner of... BCE! You'd be better off trying to get CBC, the National Post, the Sun, and the Toronto Star to pick it up.<br> </div>I just heard back from the Globe.  The story is filed for tomorrow's paper so look for it!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1528174"><b>NeoStylez</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  mazhurg <A HREF="/useremail/u/1000066"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  nanook <A HREF="/useremail/u/1508357"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>This is now on CBC: <A HREF="http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/03/25/bell-throttling.html">Bell crimps P2P file-sharing during peak hours</a><br>    <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>Bell Canada is slowing down access on its Sympatico internet servers for users who file share during prime time to prevent them from clogging the network, a spokesman said Tuesday.<br> </div>Can't they at least get the story right? They not only throttle their own sympatico users, all the power to them, but all the other INDEPENDANT ISPs that really have nothing to do with Sympatico.<br><br>If Bell can't even honestly tell the whole story in the media venue, I can imagine what's it going to be like at the CRTC... Somehow someone has to stop them from show-shoeing their way through...<br> </div></div>this has been reported]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:26:21 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/739743"><b>MisawaGQ</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Ank14 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1517026"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I mean from what I understand, the reason bell is doing this is because they are basically trying to "save" (because they wont make more) money by limiting their bandwidth, but at the same time limiting those smaller ISP's so that can "try" to look equal.<br> </div>That's basically what I think too. They've gimped their own service because they're incredibly, incredibly greedy, to levels perhaps unseen in recent times. But this latest blunder is simply an anti-competition move using the leverage they enjoy due to their monopoly on the copper. Unfortunately for them, the anti-competition aspect is likely the thing that will get them into hot water. At least if there's any sanity left in this country.<br><small>--<br>"Let them hate, so long as they fear" -- Lucius Accius</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><b>R0CKY</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  rogeryen <A HREF="/useremail/u/1385167"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Does full throttle mean 24/7, or as in whole Canada?<br><br>BTW, it would be a good idea to spread this to RFD, not just post, but get the whole community aware of it and invovled!<br> </div>That is still unknown at the moment.<br><small>--<br>TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1431626"><b>otheroptions3</b></A> : bell nexxia is doing this not bell sympatico lets be clear]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:24:31 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1533109"><b>warren</b></A> : Hmm, it seems that they're either going after HTTP traffic aswell, or there are some major routing issues to Global Crossing, Level 3, Cogent and Level 3.<br><br>I can't seem to break beyond 200KB/s on HTTP downloads via Rapidshare (and I used to max my line out via any of their mirrors).<br><br>Sigh.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:24:31 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1517026"><b>Ank14</b></A> : Ya I would like to know this too. I mean if they arent going to "UP" their caps then is'nt it still a given that smaller companies like Teksavvy still have the upperhand with smaller fees and larger caps?<br><br>I mean from what I understand, the reason bell is doing this is because they are basically trying to "save" (because they wont make more) money by limiting their bandwidth, but at the same time limiting those smaller ISP's so that can "try" to look equal.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:20:41 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1360782"><b>Malbojia</b></A> : What really bites me is anything related to TLS/SSL gets affected. I've sent all my letters to the proper authorities that can do something in this matter.<br><br>I guess it might be time to look into a 10/10 connection and chuck my business services out the door. ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:16:26 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1492224"><b>qweloo</b></A> : I do not see how this cannot/will not be heard by the CRTC.<br><br>BS is throttling the 3rd parties and adversely affecting competition based on their interpretation of Terms and Services under the Fair Usage Policy in the tariffed contracts.<br><br>Obviously the 3rd parties have a different interpretation of those terms and services.<br><br>Shouldn't the jurisdiction to interpret those tarrified contracts when there is disagreement lies with the CRTC or some competition regulating agency at industry canada ? ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:16:17 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/739743"><b>MisawaGQ</b></A> : Here's something I've been wondering. How can a small ISP like TekSavvy offer 200 gigabytes a month for $30, unlimited for $40, all the while giving Bell its cut, and remain profitable, while the billion dollar corporation needs to cap people at 60 gigabytes and throttle during peak times, all the while charging $46 a month? And not only that, now they're resorting to grossly unethical business practices to stop the competition from running their business. Is it just simple greed? Incompetence? What the hell is really going on here? Because I think this information needs to come out when those jackasses at Bell start bitching about capacity issues due to p2p users.<br><small>--<br>"Let them hate, so long as they fear" -- Lucius Accius</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:15:47 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1000066"><b>mazhurg</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  nanook <A HREF="/useremail/u/1508357"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>This is now on CBC: <A HREF="http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/03/25/bell-throttling.html">Bell crimps P2P file-sharing during peak hours</a><br>  <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>Bell Canada is slowing down access on its Sympatico internet servers for users who file share during prime time to prevent them from clogging the network, a spokesman said Tuesday.<br> </div></div>Can't they at least get the story right? They not only throttle their own sympatico users, all the power to them, but all the other INDEPENDANT ISPs that really have nothing to do with Sympatico.<br><br>If Bell can't even honestly tell the whole story in the media venue, I can imagine what's it going to be like at the CRTC... Somehow someone has to stop them from show-shoeing their way through...]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:13:14 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1504703"><b>funkytim</b></A> : Was there any talk from Bell of actually investing or updating the network to respond to the demand of users ? <br><br>I mean offering better speeds, ADSL2, is one thing, but was any indication given that the network would be updated to respond to the volume of data transfers and that the throttling would eventually stop ?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1517026"><b>Ank14</b></A> : You know bell should really step back and look at what they are doing. Instead of throttling p2p and BT maybe they should look at other ways they could embrace it and come up with ideas on how they can generate more income by offering better service to meet the needs of those who use p2p and BT on a dialy basis. <br><br>I mean when it comes down to it, its all about money and bell is obviously scared.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1385167"><b>rogeryen</b></A> : Does full throttle mean 24/7, or as in whole Canada?<br><br>BTW, it would be a good idea to spread this to RFD, not just post, but get the whole community aware of it and invovled!]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:07:38 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/818722"><b>andyb</b></A> : Good luck in the battle Rocky.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><b>R0CKY</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  justsometech <A HREF="/useremail/u/809302"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>heres the deal..<br><br>Rocky, if you want the members of this forum and your business to do something, then you need to specifically outline which channels should be used. Give me an outline and i will follow it, but you need to give an outline. i would also suggest mailing all your customers with such an outline. I hope you have a good legal team.<br> </div>For now....<br><br>1 - Talk to all levels of Government that you possibly can so they get bombed with discussion on this level.<br><br>2 - Do the complaint as discussed here ( &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r20222104-Generic-Letter-to-Competition-Bureau-re-Bell-throttling-ISP">Generic Letter to Competition Bureau re: Bell throttling ISP</A> ) to the CRTC/Competition Bureau.<br><br>3 - Make a conscious effort to realise where you're buying your services from and what they represent!  Sometimes talking with your pocketbook has a much louder impact!<br><br>4 - Spread the word to the point people that are causing this are sick of hearing it and fix the injustice!<br><br>5 - File with the Federal Industry Minister as sbrook describes here ( &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r20212149-Re-Teksavvys-throttling-now-Just-a-vent-nothing-is-needed">Re: Teksavvy's  throttling now?  Just a vent, nothing is needed.</A> )<br><br>As I see anything further, I'll add/message.<br><br>Regards,<br><br>Rocky<br><small>--<br>TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1508357"><b>nanook</b></A> : This is now on CBC: <A HREF="http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/03/25/bell-throttling.html">Bell crimps P2P file-sharing during peak hours</a><br><br> <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>Bell Canada is slowing down access on its Sympatico internet servers for users who file share during prime time to prevent them from clogging the network, a spokesman said Tuesday.<br><br>Bell began the process, which it calls managing the bandwidth capacity but which is widely known as "throttling," on March 14. The company plans to have it rolled out across the Sympatico service area &#151; Quebec and Ontario &#151; by April 7, spokesman Jason Laszlo said.<br><br>It will be in effect during the peak period for internet use in late afternoon and the evening, he said. For people sharing files, the system "will simply not work as fast." But other users will not be delayed.<br><br>Bell, like other internet service providers, says it has capacity problems caused by person-to-person (P2P) file-sharing systems such as BitTorrent, which can be used to download movies, music and games. "We're certainly not unique in this," Laszlo said, adding that other service providers are managing P2P downloads.<br><br>P2P programs are only employed by a small percentage of internet users, but they tend to make use of all the available bandwidth, Laszlo said. Reduced P2P use should provide a better balance between P2P and other users at peak times, he said.<br><br>"I feel we're on the side of good," he said.<br><br>However <b>Rocky Gaudrault, CEO of internet service provider Teksavvy</b>, said Bell's move "may hinder a lot of legitimate downloading."<br><br>Bell has not officially announced the throttling initiative, but Gaudrault found out about it last week and said Bell confirmed the move in a meeting he attended Tuesday.<br><br>People watching the impact of Bell's new policy have begun to chart affected areas on a Google map, and University of Ottawa law professor and web commentator Michael Geist raised the matter in his blog.<br><br><b>Gaudrault said there could be privacy issues related to the throttling of specific types of internet traffic</b>, but Laszlo denied that. "At no time do we monitor the content," he said.<hr></blockquote><br>I think privacy is a bit of a stretch. However, there may be competition issues as well as possibly breach of contract.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1433658"><b>Gwai Lo Dan</b></A> : I am sure you will be glad to hear me say ...."IN YOUR FACE!!!"<br><br>I received an email from the G&M asking to talk. They are doing a story tomorrow! Now I am not sure if the writer has time, since the email was sent at 5 pm, but hopefully he will.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:01:17 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1353012"><b>pwnedrice</b></A> : anyone want to email this to Global TV's Consumer SOS or CityNews's Silverman Helps? I remember Silverman going up to Bell to get some guy's laptop that he was waiting for like 18 weeks]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1461319"><b>emoci</b></A> : Remember to Digg<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://digg.com/tech_news/Major_canadian_ISP_throttling_P2P_Call_for_action" >digg.com/tech_news/Major_canadia&middot;&middot;&middot;r_action</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/809302"><b>justsometech</b></A> : heres the deal..<br><br>Rocky, if you want the members of this forum and your business to do something, then you need to specifically outline which channels should be used. Give me an outline and i will follow it, but you need to give an outline. i would also suggest mailing all your customers with such an outline. I hope you have a good legal team.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Gwai Lo Dan <A HREF="/useremail/u/1433658"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I sent an email to the Globe and Mail suggesting the issue as a story.<br> </div>Which will promptly get ignored. The Globe and Mail is owned by CTVGlobeMedia, who also happens to be the owner of... BCE! You'd be better off trying to get CBC, the National Post, the Sun, and the Toronto Star to pick it up.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1332547"><b>Groove9962</b></A> : so, i'm paraphrasing here, but basically Bell is telling us all to 'Bend over' ?<br><br>i can't believe that as a Canadian, i basically cannot get unrestricted internet access (without paying an arm and a leg for a biz login). I'm amazed they can get away with this. Only in Canada.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/744204"><b>pfak</b></A> : Another reason why the CRTC should be heavily regulating ILECS for both internet and telephone.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1373147"><b>ancodia</b></A> : I still think this is more about a) fighting piracy b) protecting their investments in Satellite and IPtv.  Why? Because they don't offer an unlimited package. even if it cost $200/month, why not offer it.   Because they want you to get your video media from their more profitable & traditional methods.<br><br>The conspirist in me thinks that behind the scenes there is pressure from the media creators (riaa/mpaa) on providers to fight piracy by throttling.   They all gain from doing so.   And I find it strange that all the major providers seem to enforcing limits around the same amount, and they all provide media via traditional means. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1538279"><b>cacruden</b></A> : Where are we on getting internet through Hydro-lines.  If we could get our hydro companies out of the 18th century - they could provide the trunks :p]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1137179"><b>koreyb</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by ultracooldave  :</small><br><br>Get over it! You are going to pay for higher usage-it costs more to provide and usage is skyrocketing, nothing illegal about charging more for more usage! Take Netflix alone-free streaming of 6000 movies and TV to millions of customers with a constantly higher proportion having high speed, how much bandwidth do you think just this will require?Add in everything else and there is no doubt we will pay for all this increased bandwith, the only question is how is the pricing going to work, hopefullyl plans will be provided for those that do not use all these new services at a low rate.<br>Its the false promises and sneekyness of the providers that's alarming! We need precise laws to protect consumers for false claims so we can all make the best choice/pricing/usage.<br> </div>Umm.. actually no one is fighting for charging more... it's when the company you are dealing with runs it's own network, and Bell the local phone company decides to throttle the speed between your provider and your home when you don't even use their network!   Infact you don't even pay them!  <br><br>Wholesale is different than resale.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1538279"><b>cacruden</b></A> : [new id for condo question]Oops sorry, forgot the city - you do that after you have lived in the centre of the universe for a while -- it is Toronto.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1539919"><b>GoogleFreak</b></A> : Bell will blame it on your line or router?  Typical of them to lie.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:24:17 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/660371"><b>Kujo__</b></A> : This is total BS, and unacceptable.  <br><br>What really pisses me off is that not only P2P is being throttled.  I can't even get HTTP DL's faster than 200 KB/s.  My whole damn connection is being throttled.<br><br>I hope all independent ISP's band together, and fight Bell to the death over this.  There's no way this can be legal.   ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:21:34 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/973417"><b>edugas</b></A> : Downtown where? If it's in Montreal.. I can help.<br><br>Please take the time to register on this board.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : I am in a condo building downtown -- don't know if anyone here knows but...<br><br>How many people in the condo would have to be interested before it became feasible to bypass bell altogether for internet - for a ISP provider to be interested and providing service to the building (I think there are between 300 - 500 units)?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:17:25 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Get over it! You are going to pay for higher usage-it costs more to provide and usage is skyrocketing, nothing illegal about charging more for more usage! Take Netflix alone-free streaming of 6000 movies and TV to millions of customers with a constantly higher proportion having high speed, how much bandwidth do you think just this will require?Add in everything else and there is no doubt we will pay for all this increased bandwith, the only question is how is the pricing going to work, hopefullyl plans will be provided for those that do not use all these new services at a low rate.<br>Its the false promises and sneekyness of the providers that's alarming! We need precise laws to protect consumers for false claims so we can all make the best choice/pricing/usage.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:02:35 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/973417"><b>edugas</b></A> : This sucks.<br><br>I work for a pretty decent sized telecom company in Montreal. We have equipements in a dozen of Bell's COs and a very few customers hooked up via Bell's DSL GAS so this is affecting us in some ways IF they're throttling business lines.<br><br>I can't say much about the process of getting equipments in COs, but it's a lenghtly and costly process, that's why you only see medium sized ISP/Telecom companies with solid investors or lot of money like Primus or ColbaNet. If Bell throttles every resellers, customers res or business even if they're not theirs, there will be no easy solutions.<br><br>I'm hoping we can hook more and more of those DSL resellers at least in Montreal and Toronto with our fibers.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1489075"><b>snagatak</b></A> : i'd be willing to chip in too]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:56:21 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1212082"><b>davidbrown</b></A> : Basically it comes down to this  we are out of luck.<br><br>Barring a court case which isn't likely since bell has more money and influence then any of the small guys.<br><br>Things are going to change and in fact are going to get much worse since they can basically do as they please.<br><br>For now we atleast have  no throttling after 2:00am but i wouldn't count on that lasting too much longer either.<br><br>There is talk about bandwidth and equipment issues but at the end of the day it comes down to this money.<br><br>Bell and rogers are greedy as hell and have no issues at all sticking it to the consumer as much as they can.<br><br>Reminds me of the days when rogers charged you for having Internet but no tv, nothing like getting charged for something you don't have...lol.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:55:05 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1195536"><b>TOPDAWG</b></A> : Looks to me bell just does not want the 3rd party's to offer a better survive then them. Bell don't care about bandwidth. They saw something resellers were using to get customers to leave bell and wanted to kill it.<br><br>So if they get away with this look for them to do other things to hurt 3rd party's. Face it bell wants all 3rd party's to go away so they can make more money.<br><br>Rocky said write people but to me seems like tek is not going to fight it to hard. At least I get that feelings from his post. Hell next bell will enforce caps on 3rd party's.<br><br>Lets face it 3rd party's have the most to lose. ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:53:44 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1437510"><b>KPaul</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  TobiasFunke <A HREF="/useremail/u/1442583"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Oh yes, R0CKY, TSI and other ISPs affected: please, please, please retain the best possible legal counsel you can find. Bell has an army of lawyers, so you will need the best working for you too. The sooner, the better.<br> </div>I'd be willing to chip in for costs.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1442583"><b>TobiasFunke</b></A> : Oh yes, R0CKY, TSI and other ISPs affected: please, please, please retain the best possible legal counsel you can find. I'm talking seven sister, Bay St type corporate lawyers. Many of the big guns on Bay St have specialty telecom law groups who would know how to go after this in the most efficient, effective manner.<br><br>Bell has an army of lawyers, so you will need the best working for you too. The sooner, the better.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/485926"><b>Laidback</b></A> : would the throttling issue not be covered in the contracts signed by the various ISP's with bell.  If there is no clause in their contracts, would that not mean that Bell would have to give the 3rd parties notice that this is coming?  I can't see where this is a good business decision.  <br><br>My employer is going to hit the roof.  We have probably 500 work at home reps, and apparently they got the day off because of poor connections.  I'm trying to contact a couple of them to see if that is true or not.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1505108"><b>Sanny</b></A> : Unbelievable.  After having to leave TekSavvy a month ago due to moving back to Scotland I thought I'd pop on the forum to see how things were going, and get greeted with the news that Bell have decided to utterly screw everybody over.<br><br>Complete joke, I thought things were bad internet wise over here but this takes the biscuit.<br><br>Good luck guys in trying to fight this.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:32:18 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1276231"><b>dbbreaker</b></A> : haha silverman wouldn't touch this...not now not ever.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:31:50 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/702949"><b>bryanviper</b></A> : Somebody contact Silverman Helps, he will start busting some heads at Bell and get it all over the mass media!]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:30:57 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Are business accounts throttled too?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:29:40 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1442583"><b>TobiasFunke</b></A> : I'm having trouble seeing how a class-action could be certified. It's likely that as customers of TSI et al, we lack standing to bring a suit because we are not parties to the contract that <i>may</i> be being violated here.<br><br>My best guess is that our only chance for quick relief is for TSI et al to sue ASAP and obtain an interim injunction until a court can settle whether or not the "fair usage" terms in the tariff allow Bell to unilaterally cripple wholesaler connections. This might be possible since IIRC the test for an injunction is whether failing to grant one would result in irreparable harm that cannot be compensated for in money damages - which it could be argued would be the result for TSI, given one of their primary differentiators over Sympatico is the lack of throttling.<br><br>Barring an injunction, I'm sad to say I think at this point it is going to be years before any other court or tribunal forces Bell to remove the throttling, <b>if ever</b>.<br><br>Honestly, I think the only way to effectively send Bell a message is to establish a truly independent ISP by whatever means possible. They will only change their policy if they start to bleed customers and money. I mean seriously bleed, not just the usual churn between Rogers/Bell. Government tribunals are way too slow/clueless/in pocket to be able to help us here.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:28:36 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1437510"><b>KPaul</b></A> : on the crtc website.<br><br>INTERNET<br><br>You may not be aware that the Commission does not regulate the rates, quality of service or business practices for Internet Service Providers and cannot pursue complaints on these matters on your behalf. For information on where to lodge a complaint, read our Fact Sheet about Internet.<br>This Fact Sheet also provides information on<br><br>    * Access to the Internet<br>    * Access to high-speed cable by independent Internet Service Providers<br>    * Rates, quality of service and business practices<br>    * Illegal actions by Internet Service Providers<br>    * Offensive content on the Web<br>    * Webcasting<br><br>To access this information, read the Fact Sheet &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/info_sht/t1003.htm" >www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/info_sht/t1003.htm</A><br>To continue filling out the Complaints and Inquiries Form, click on NEXT.<br><small>--<br>I hate rogers and their CRAP tech. support...  But, MAJOR kudos to the TekSavvy team!<br><br>Al Bundy - "Six bucks is too much money to spend on any woman."   it's too true sometimes :D</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/461621"><b>Gokuu</b></A> : "These services are regulated and approved by the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission"<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  travisc <A HREF="/useremail/u/512567"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Everyone is asking to see the contracts - Bell's relationship is based on tarrifs, which are all published at:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.bce.ca/en/aboutbce/regulatoryinformation/tarrifs/index.php/content.asp" >www.bce.ca/en/aboutbce/regulator&middot;&middot;&middot;tent.asp</A><br> </div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1437510"><b>KPaul</b></A> : Ok, whoever starts something with bell like a class action, I'm in.  I have been looking into calling a lawyer and discussing this, and have a few names down already.  I need to know what if any possible ramifications of what bell is doing is actually able to hold up in court.  Not to mention what TSI is doing.  So Rocky, Marc, Gabe, anyone, please clarify what TSI is gonna do.  I'm 100% with you guys<br><small>--<br>I hate rogers and their CRAP tech. support...  But, MAJOR kudos to the TekSavvy team!<br><br>Al Bundy - "Six bucks is too much money to spend on any woman."   it's too true sometimes :D</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/512567"><b>travisc</b></A> : Everyone is asking to see the contracts - Bell's relationship is based on tarrifs, which are all published at:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.bce.ca/en/aboutbce/regulatoryinformation/tarrifs/index.php/content.asp" >www.bce.ca/en/aboutbce/regulator&middot;&middot;&middot;tent.asp</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><b>Guspaz</b></A> : Depends. Apparently Primus colocates their own equipment in many of Bell's COs.<br><br>If you're serviced by such a CO, then no, Primus would not be throttled. If you aren't, then yes, Primus would be throttled.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:13:24 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/248514"><b>mlerner</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  pwnedrice <A HREF="/useremail/u/1353012"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>since all 3rd party ISPs are getting throttled, does that include Primus?<br> </div>If you aren't connected directly to a Primus dslam, then yes.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : This week I have been getting intermittent outages and reduced throughput.  I thought teksavvy was doing some network maintenance, so thought nothing of it.  The reduced throughput continues (for 2nd day).  I've gone from consistent 4.2Mbps to 3.1 to 3.3 Mbps.  I then hear of this.  Coincidence?<br><br>BTW, I'm not using p2p or BT.  This is work related file transfers (ETL stuff and of course SSH).  Seems Bell may be shaping all traffic?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1353012"><b>pwnedrice</b></A> : since all 3rd party ISPs are getting throttled, does that include Primus?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1539919"><b>GoogleFreak</b></A> : Look at this post, this has to be illegal: <br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r20223860-Cancelling-Service">Cancelling Service</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1433658"><b>Gwai Lo Dan</b></A> : Rocky - Had you not asked Bell about the throttling (after being prompted by customers), would you ever had been told of the throttling??]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:02:02 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/982977"><b>AMailer</b></A> : I'd fully support that, just as soon as im let off this tv subscription contract with bell :(<br><br>I'm almost 100% Bell-Free, just that TV thats left... I was awaiting teksavvy phone, but cogeco is fine for now :P<br><br>I wish people would boycott Bell, however thats one of those, highly unlikely things.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:58:33 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1433658"><b>Gwai Lo Dan</b></A> : I sent an email to the Globe and Mail suggesting the issue as a story.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:53:28 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1353012"><b>pwnedrice</b></A> : there are a lot of mmorpgs now that use p2p to play...since Rogers likes to brag about how many "games" you can download and "how fast" you can play your games, I would like to see them go around that -_-<br><br>"ohhhh 60gb is enough, you'll never use it all"<br>"oh believe me lady, I probably leech more than the entire block combined"]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:50:02 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/910861"><b>Rand2k1</b></A> : There are plenty of legitimate bittorrent uses.<br><br>Many Linux/BSD distros have official torrents, CBC has just put a show out recently on it, Not too long ago NIN releases part of their new album, free, over bittorent (on pirate bay no less!)  Hell, I'm pretty sure World of Warcraft uses a bittorent based system to distribute its updates.<br><br>Just because it can (and is) used for illegitimate purposes doesn't mean you can't use it for legitimate ones.  When it is used for legitimate purposes you lose all excuse for messing with it.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:43:48 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1184806"><b>Inssomniak</b></A> : Is this new throttling going to happen on even TSI business lines?  I dont much care about the res stuff, but having this BS on my business DSL and ADSL lines is really going to suck big time, especially if what Guspaz said is true, if they detect any p2p or BT they throttle the whole connection, even if its a false positive detection.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:39:41 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1353012"><b>pwnedrice</b></A> : quote from jessejr's article:<br><br>"The Internet is only a few years old, if the plan is to keep using it in the future, ISPs need to upgrade their networks. So, invest in more Internet gateway capacity, 10Gbps interconnect ports, and peering agreements. BitTorrent users are not the problem, they only signal that the ISPs need to upgrade their capacity, because customers will only get more demanding in the future. The Internet is not only about sending email, and browsing on text based websites anymore."<br><br>THANK YOU!!! someone UNDERSTANDS!!!]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:38:03 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1539919"><b>GoogleFreak</b></A> : I can watch plenty of illegal movies without bitorrent.  Joox, youtube, google video, veoh, etc...the list goes on and on.  Most of it can be downloaded to my hard drive.  LOL might  well throttle http connections too.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:33:12 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1522014"><b>Radar73</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Etheric <A HREF="/useremail/u/1453195"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Waiting for TekSavvy Home Phone so I can be free of Bell. Hurry up please :)<br> </div>Haven't you been reading?  You are never free of Bell's underhandedness even if you use Teksavvy.   I wonder what BS ROCKY will put up with with regards to wholeselling Bells home phone (maybe something just as rediculous as a throttle).]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:27:26 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : To quote Googlefreak<br><br>"Torrents is the future especially with open source!"<br><br>I learned a hard lesson a few years ago, nothing is forever in the extreme where the internet is concerned.<br><br>Torrents seem like a nice thing today, but they likely won't be around in 5 years time as a viable useful option. Well some things will be always able to indulge torrents.<br><br>Gotta be honest, but if I had to find 5 files that were actual legit files, I'd probably have trouble finding them. Now illegal content is idiot simple to locate.<br><br>Torrent is a great idea, utterly soiled by a bad usage.<br><br>The problem is mostly, that legal commerce is just seemingly not interested in wading in on the scene. Most of us can find all manner of locations to get illegal downloads, but damn near no legal options.<br><br>Maybe if our bandwidth was being equally exploited by honest commerce, things would be a lot better.<br><br>Right now though, I'm not going to expend a lot of energies defending torrents, when too much of it isn't legal activities in the first place.<br><br>But if they go and attack any and all forms of bandwidth usage, well that's sure going to cause a stir.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:24:50 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/763650"><b>Doci</b></A> : You think if they can get away with this, would it really matter? They can simply add everything to their "int toFuckWith;" list.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:22:02 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><b>Guspaz</b></A> : Sadly, protecting against extrenuous RST packets doesn't help us here.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:22:01 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1000066"><b>mazhurg</b></A> : everything but 80, and even that if it gets encrypted. :(]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:21:36 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1169764"><b>jessegr</b></A> : This may give us some hope if all else fails. :(<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://torrentfreak.com/bittorrent-devs-introduce-comcast-busting-encryption-080215/" >torrentfreak.com/bittorrent-devs&middot;&middot;&middot;-080215/</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:20:47 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1191392"><b>Cyborg994</b></A> : I,m sure alot of lawyers, in each independent ISP that has been hit, are currently reading those contracts very throughly to answer that question. <br><br>As retail customers, we do not have much weight, but as businesses, all the Bell resellers, especially if they band together, have alot more weight, and financial means to pursue this issue. Also this clearly has ramifications outside the contracts themselves, including monopoly issues, that will take time to examine. It is important to realise that there won't be an overnight fix, but that it is not lost.<br><br>This changes the ISP landscape completely, and may cause massive problems for resellers, so I expect to see alot of action on every front for the following weeks. Also most contracts between buisnesses contains notification clauses that clearly were not followed in this case.<br><br>It is very important to increase awareness about these issues in the mainstream press, so not only comunications from Bell will be heard.<br><br>- Cyb]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:20:07 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Is there a solid list of what ports or protocols will have the noose put on them?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:19:12 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Besides letter writing (which is good), does anyone have recommendations for a "call-to-action".  Organization is key.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:11:58 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1539919"><b>GoogleFreak</b></A> : Yes I use torrents a lot.  I download linux distros with torrent.  I like to test snapshots on a weekly basis.  Bittorent offers movies I can buy and download!!!! Gigs!!!!!!<br>I like to seed a lot for linux distros, help with the bandwidth.  <br><br>Torrents is the future especially with open source!]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:11:46 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/763650"><b>Doci</b></A> :  R0CKY <A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>, did you tell them how their Business users are not throttled at all?<br><small>--<br>Hail PPPoE! | <A HREF="http://linux-ip.net/articles/hfsc.en/">Discover H-FSC!</a></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:11:41 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1476650"><b>Liftow</b></A> : Well, the news is grim indeed - start writing letters friends, CRTC, MP, and any other agency you can think of...perhaps someone should compile a relevant list...feel free to post your anger at the official Bell Facebook profile...<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bell-Canada/8512453517?ref=s" >www.facebook.com/pages/Bell-Cana&middot;&middot;&middot;17?ref=s</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:10:34 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><b>Guspaz</b></A> : I download HD content over BitTorrent. I even buy at least one of my TV shows (Sanctuary), although that isn't BT.<br><br>To me, my net connection is the only hardwired connection coming into my house. It provides internet service, TV service, telephone service, newspaper service, everything.<br><br>If they only throttle BT, I don't mind much. I'll fight it, but I'm not crippled. I'll find workarounds or alternatives. If they're also going to throttle everything else (such as everything encrypted), then I have serious issues with it.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:09:37 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : I'm assuming my post will get lost in all the current "noise" on the thread.<br><br>But unless Bell goes PAST throttling P2P and torrents, I don't much give a damn.<br><br>Bittorrent is indeed a fine program and a nice methodology, but I only use torrents to download a minor slice of over all monthly bandwidth.<br><br>Oh no, my anime fansubs are at risk!! I'll just grab them in a slice of daylight no one wants. It doesn't need to be the middle of peak time.<br><br>I'm left to wonder, are you guys all using torrents for downloading everything? I shudder just thinking of downloading a dvd as a torrent (yuck, how 20th century sounding).<br><br>All I want out of my service is fast easy newsgroup functionality.<br><br>I have heard that Voip usage is being adversely affected though.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:06:13 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1509988"><b>j3richo</b></A> : I don't understand why the legality of this is so ambigious. Surely the ISPs must have some clause in the contract with Bell that explicitly states whether they are allowed to throttle connections, it seems weird to me that this would not be clearly addressed in the contracts]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:05:19 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1000066"><b>mazhurg</b></A> : So, by doing that is BCE now admiting that they are not a common carrier? <br><br>Sympatico as an ISP may have the right to control their environment, but should BCE as a telecommunication company (they sell bandwith, not content)has the right to monitor content on everybody?<br><br> :huh:]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:03:53 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1440434"><b>chrish</b></A> : I created a facebook group called:<br><br>Stop Bell From Throttling DSL Resellers<br><br>Feel free to join, lets get this internet/blog train rolling.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:59:03 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1528174"><b>NeoStylez</b></A> : very well said. Mersault]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:57:13 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><b>Guspaz</b></A> : If it's not, then that's another possible avenue of attack; masquerading TCP over NNTP.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1532985"><b>lowlevel</b></A> : Thats exactly right. Bell is always thinking three to ten steps ahead, about how to change the rules to screw everyone over/make a load of cash... WITHOUT upgrading any equipment or spending any of the money they steal from all of us, directly or indirectly. Well... I guess they had to spend money on whatever solution they're using to thottle us :/]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:54:47 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1517935"><b>fiestaware</b></A> : Well-worded, Mersault. ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:53:31 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1497978"><b>Mersault</b></A> : My letter to the CRTC:<br><br><div class="bquote">To Whom It May Concern,<br><br>Over the weekend it came to light that Bell Canada has seen fit to begin unilaterally throttling the data transiting their wholesale Bell Nexxia network. They have effectively dictated the service that all third party ISP's may offer to their customers. Worst of all, they did so without notifying their wholesale partners.<br><br>I am an employee of Primus Canada, and my DSL service was installed by Primus Canada. My contract and all communications happens with Primus Canada. And yet Primus is finding that my internet traffic is throttled even before it reaches the Primus network!<br><br>This is affecting more than just the minority of heavy downloading users. I use my internet connection primarily for VoIP telephone service, and find my call quality has deteriorated drastically since Bell began throttling wholesale Nexxia traffic. It's bad enough that my VoIP phone is now basically unusable. This leaves me with no way of calling my own mother, unless I want to spend exorbitant amounts of money on mobile long distance charges. Or get Bell Home Phone.<br><br>Bell will of course argue that the traffic they are throttling is 'illegitimate.' But the technology they are using to distinguish what traffic to throttle has no way of knowing what is legitimate traffic. CBC has just recently started releasing CBC shows to Canadians using the BitTorrent system, which is throttled by Bell. I use a screen saver called 'Electric Sheep' that uses the BitTorrent system to communicate with other users of the Electric Sheep screen saver in order to perform calculations (similar to the SETI@Home system).<br><br>I regularly download copies of Linux and BSD and updates to my existing Linux and BSD systems using BitTorrent. Dozens of applications use BitTorrent to distribute updates, because it reduces the burden on the application developer immensely, while making the download arrive faster for their users.<br><br>All of this completely legitimate traffic is being caught by the Bell traffic shaper. They are interfering with my legitimate traffic, and no amount of protestation on their part will change that fact.<br><br>It's worth noting that Bell still gets money each month for the DSL service I purchased from Primus. I'm even in a position to know that it's more than half the money I pay to Primus, even though Primus is the one that actually bears the burden and expense for any downloading or uploading I may actually do. Bell merely routes the traffic around their own network.<br><br>This is a blatantly anti-competitive move by Bell Canada. Their own service is terrible, and they have been losing customers to companies like TekSavvy, Primus, and Electronic Box. Rather than compete with these companies on service, quality, or any other quality that customers might appreciate, Bell has decided it's easier to just force everyone else to offer the same poor service Bell does!<br><br>Please see to it that this issue gets prompt attention.<br><br>Sincerely,<br>Me<br></div>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:51:29 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1528174"><b>NeoStylez</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  gi1010 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1395940"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Guspaz <A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  gi1010 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1395940"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br></div>Word has it NNTP is throttled too.<br> </div>Not sure about third party ISP...  I used Newsgroup everyday with Bell Sympatico and never been throttled...<br><br>May be they used other P2P apps while downloading from newsgroup at the same time, that trigger the full throttle.<br> </div>makes sence.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:50:04 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1395940"><b>gi1010</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Guspaz <A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  gi1010 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1395940"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br></div>Word has it NNTP is throttled too.<br> </div>Not sure about third party ISP...  I used Newsgroup everyday with Bell Sympatico and never been throttled...<br><br>May be they used other P2P apps while downloading from newsgroup at the same time, that trigger the full throttle.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1440434"><b>chrish</b></A> : I typically only use 100gb/month <br><br>For me its not even the downloads -- Its unethical of bell, and I want the speed when I want it, not when bell says so]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:47:38 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1528174"><b>NeoStylez</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Guspaz <A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  gi1010 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1395940"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  GoogleFreak <A HREF="/useremail/u/1539919"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>What's the point of having unlimited with throttling there is no way you'll go over 200 gigs.<br> </div>Pay $4/month for TekSavvy static IP, and use it to download from TekSavvy usenet cap at 1Mbps ...  For sure you can easily pass the 200GB/month with 1Mbps download cap.<br><br>If you want more then subscribe to the premium newsgroup provider then you can download at your max download speed 5Mbps... and it can be easily pass 700GB/month.<br> </div>Word has it NNTP is throttled too.<br> </div>i have also read this somewhere. we will have to see how this pans out for usenet]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:46:41 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><b>Guspaz</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  gi1010 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1395940"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  GoogleFreak <A HREF="/useremail/u/1539919"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>What's the point of having unlimited with throttling there is no way you'll go over 200 gigs.<br> </div>Pay $4/month for TekSavvy static IP, and use it to download from TekSavvy usenet cap at 1Mbps ...  For sure you can easily pass the 200GB/month with 1Mbps download cap.<br><br>If you want more then subscribe to the premium newsgroup provider then you can download at your max download speed 5Mbps... and it can be easily pass 700GB/month.<br> </div>Word has it NNTP is throttled too.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:45:15 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1395940"><b>gi1010</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  GoogleFreak <A HREF="/useremail/u/1539919"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>What's the point of having unlimited with throttling there is no way you'll go over 200 gigs.<br> </div>Pay $4/month for TekSavvy static IP, and use it to download from TekSavvy usenet cap at 1Mbps ...  For sure you can easily pass the 200GB/month with 1Mbps download cap.<br><br>If you want more then subscribe to the premium newsgroup provider ... you can download at your max download speed 5Mbps... and it can be easily pass 700GB/month.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:44:32 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/706116"><b>The Flash</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by curiousgeorge :</small><br><br>I am wondering if Bell explained to you why they are doing this?<br> </div>because Bell can't handle the bandwidth requirements of their users or business clients.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:43:08 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1528174"><b>NeoStylez</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by curiousgeorge :</small><br><br>I am wondering if Bell explained to you why they are doing this?<br> </div>hey Curiousgeorge,<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  R0CKY <A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>They claim they are allowed to do so according to their Terms and Services under the Fair Usage Policy in the tariffed contracts...<br> </div>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:41:51 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : I am wondering if Bell explained to you why they are doing this?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:38:56 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1137179"><b>koreyb</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  s49 <A HREF="/useremail/u/965530"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I'm just curious as to how this would affect TS users that are on Unlimited (which I assume, most take advantage of no-capping with p2p); you wouldn't be using BT, etc. as much due to crippled connections for half a day, everyday, wouldn't that tie into not using as much bandwidth as you normally would, thus thinking about moving back down to a Premium account?<br> </div>It makes no difference... Bell is doing this between you and Teksavvy...  So basically no matter what Teksavvy does to change routing on their network. it makes no difference.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:34:32 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1539919"><b>GoogleFreak</b></A> : What's the point of having unlimited with throttling there is no way you'll go over 200 gigs.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:33:58 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/965530"><b>s49</b></A> : I'm just curious as to how this would affect TS users that are on Unlimited (which I assume, most take advantage of no-capping with p2p); you wouldn't be using BT, etc. as much due to crippled connections for half a day, everyday, wouldn't that tie into not using as much bandwidth as you normally would, thus thinking about moving back down to a Premium account?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:33:05 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1440434"><b>chrish</b></A> : I took the liberty of emailing Matt from velcom to make him aware of this as this is very troubling for me as a velcom customer since this is the reason I left rogers a year ago.<br><br>Hopefully all the resellers can work on this together and stick it to bell]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:32:42 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1533785"><b>jessy</b></A> : I have a bad idea, please don't follow it. <br><br>everybody should call Bell's customer service at 5'30 pm. if many people at the same time were to call at their customer service, that'd be really bothersome for them. like a load balance of the number of calls they can actually take...]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:32:31 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : I am going to say Rocky got more than screwed.  He got an anal DP with a side dish of bukaki on him.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:31:16 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1442410"><b>sMURF</b></A> : So when is Bell going to impose a bandwidth cap on wholesalers' customers? If they think they can get away with this, I can guarantee that a low bandwidth cap will be next. That way, no matter what DSL ISP you go to, you'll always have Bell raping you, while they laugh all the way to the bank.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:30:48 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1286625"><b>TheGrub</b></A> : I will stick with R0cky and TekSavvy no matter what.  Bell is screwing everyone now.  TekSavvy was probably building it's infrastructure and network around the type of customers and around the bandwith that it requieres.  Now, all that for nothing because bell can control everything before it reaches TekSavvy's network.<br><br>This is completly unacceptable !!<br><br>I am 100% behind R0CKY and TekSavvy !!!]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:30:14 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1528174"><b>NeoStylez</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Etheric <A HREF="/useremail/u/1453195"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Waiting for TekSavvy Home Phone so I can be free of Bell. Hurry up please :)<br> </div>yeah unless they find a way to throttle phone service]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:29:45 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1521952"><b>QCTLG</b></A> : iconfat,<br><br>Please re-read my post...I think you missed it!!!!]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:29:45 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1137179"><b>koreyb</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Etheric <A HREF="/useremail/u/1453195"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Waiting for TekSavvy Home Phone so I can be free of Bell. Hurry up please :)<br> </div>Problem is it's going to Be resold BELL.. so Basically Bell under another name.. Now with all that is going on, I don't wan't BELL to get 1 more cent.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:28:46 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1184750"><b>iconfat</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  QCTLG <A HREF="/useremail/u/1521952"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Rocky,<br><br>I hope you realize what this means at the end of day!<br>Ultimately  "YOU" get "SCREWED"<br>Teksavvy will loose 100's if not 1000's of possible new subscriptions and will also loose existing subscription due to BELL's tactics!<br><br>If this doesn't make you mad as hell than I don't know what to say.<br><br>I hope they get asses kicked and kicked hard.<br>This is an outrage to say the least!<br><br>Good luck with your future business.<br>Don't worry I'll stay with Teksavvy because I know I'm dealing with a PEOPLE'S COMPANY!<br><br>Regards,<br> </div>Rocky is on our side.  Really, there is nowhere else to go but cable.  Hang in there, all third party ISPs will not accept this as it is anticompetetive on bells part.  This isnt something that Rocky can make go away overnight.<br>Again, hang in there.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:28:34 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1453195"><b>Etheric</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  NiGHTS <A HREF="/useremail/u/1539527"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>As a consumer vote with your wallet and boycott Bell and Rogers, or any other company that throttles. Cancel any Bell service you have and let them know why.<br></div>Waiting for TekSavvy Home Phone so I can be free of Bell. Hurry up please :)]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:27:14 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1521952"><b>QCTLG</b></A> : Rocky,<br><br>I hope you realize what this means at the end of day!<br>Ultimately  "YOU" get "SCREWED"<br>Teksavvy will loose 100's if not 1000's of possible new subscriptions and will also loose existing subscription due to BELL's tactics!<br><br>If this doesn't make you mad as hell than I don't know what to say.<br><br>I hope they get asses kicked and kicked hard.<br>This is an outrage to say the least!<br><br>Good luck with your future business.<br>Don't worry I'll stay with Teksavvy because I know I'm dealing with a PEOPLE'S COMPANY!<br><br>Regards,]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:25:41 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1453195"><b>Etheric</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  newSymp <A HREF="/useremail/u/895655"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>No matter how many links we post.<br><br>No matter what we say,  NO one but maybe 10-15 people will do anything.<br><br>no one right does what they say<br> </div>What is the tipping point issue that will cause people to take action? <br><br>For me, this is it. I am not throttled (yet?), and don't download anywhere near as much as I used to a few years ago, but there is no way I'm going to just let this issue slide.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:25:01 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><b>Guspaz</b></A> : I'm sure new Digg users don't bear much weight in their algos :P]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:22:55 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/555530"><b>renton</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Paulius <A HREF="/useremail/u/1522257"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Digg this story: &raquo;<A HREF="http://digg.com/tech_news/Major_canadian_ISP_throttling_P2P_Call_for_action" >digg.com/tech_news/Major_canadia&middot;&middot;&middot;r_action</A><br> </div>I signed up with Digg to be able to digg the story.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:22:29 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1539527"><b>NiGHTS</b></A> : Petitions are not too effective. Bell plans to throttle encrypted traffic so VPN solutions will not work. Independent ISP's may need to get together and install their own equipment, like Primus.<br><br>As a consumer vote with your wallet and boycott Bell and Rogers, or any other company that throttles. Cancel any Bell service you have and let them know why.<br><br>We need action by the government or a government body. Call your MP. A lawsuit may be in order.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:21:14 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1184750"><b>iconfat</b></A> : Well, the problem is Bell is now affecting the terms of service that other companies have with their customers.  <br>I don't know the specifics of the contract where third party ISPs lease the lines from Bell, but I cannot see a clause stating Bell is able manage what data and how much data travels through those lines.  That in itself is anticompetetive.<br><br>I will now complete my letter to the competetion bureau on this case.  Here is the link to that post.  &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r20222184-Generic-Letter-to-Competition-Bureau-re-Bell-throttling">Generic Letter to Competition Bureau  .. re: Bell throttling</A> <br>I suggest everyone does this as Bell is way offside by affecting thrid party ISP's and action will be taken.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:21:05 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/540225"><b>daboom</b></A> : This is nut's I am game to go anti Bell wait!! I already am LOL<br><small>--<br>Come join us on EFNET irc.dks.ca #teksavvy for live chat :)Want to chat about this in realtime chat click here  &raquo;<A HREF="http://dslrchat.dyndns.org/" >dslrchat.dyndns.org/</A></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:20:09 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/706116"><b>The Flash</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  diskace <A HREF="/useremail/u/589037"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Electronic Box and Teksavvy is going to work on this case actively. <br><br>Best regards, Jean-Philippe.<br> </div>Joint Forces Anti-Throttle Super Heroes!]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:14:12 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : My VPN and VoIP have been flaky in Ottawa for a couple of weeks now.  This is just ridiculous.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:13:55 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1492224"><b>qweloo</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  aver <A HREF="/useremail/u/1508619"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Gotta love that we all leave Bell to send a message and now they screw us again.. <br> </div>Maybe it is time to send them another message since they seem not to understand.<br><br>Cancelling TV service now and looking for an alternative to cancel Bell phone service as well (if anybody has a good local phone company please do recommend). <br><br>I hope TSI (and other 3rd party ISP) will fight this and that its customers will stand behind it. If TSI and us dont fight this now, we may never see the days of unhindered internet service again.    <br><br>And to the people saying that they wont migrate to TSI because of this .... do you really think staying with Bell/Rogers/Videotron/Telus is going to help you get unhindered internet service ? TSI not only gives better and more honest service but is willing to fight for what it believes in ie non throttled and unhindered internet service. I will support them in their fight.<br><br>Tell us if we need to get an official petition going or anything of the kind. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/765277"><b>eots</b></A> : If someone starts a class action suit against Bell for this action count me in!  This is exactly why most Teksavvy customers left Bell in the first place!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1137179"><b>koreyb</b></A> : Rogers is just as bad as Bell my friend... I think Bell and rogers both need to be boycotted..  Bell and Rogers basically operate the same... Take each others lead on everything.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:11:16 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/589037"><b>diskace</b></A> : Electronic Box and Teksavvy is going to work on this case actively. <br><br>Best regards, Jean-Philippe.<br><small>--<br>Electronic Box Inc.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1539919"><b>GoogleFreak</b></A> : Don't go with Bell for phone service you can get Primus or Rogers.  Heck with them!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1137179"><b>koreyb</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Guspaz <A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>They throttle everything (whole connection) if they detect BT/P2P. They're also apparently misdetecting other stuff and throttling based on that. Are you doing anything else with your connection when your VoIP acts up?<br> </div>Nope... I've even tried just having voip active with all computers off...<br><br>The VoIP thing is just to win back phone customers.  <br><br>Everyone needs to file complaints with the governing bodies.. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/895655"><b>newSymp</b></A> : i'd Actually love to see portions of the contracts etc <br><br>lets see what is going on, if we are going to be paying for something we should at least know what is affecting us]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:06:44 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/982977"><b>AMailer</b></A> : If every one of their resellers 'put their foot down (if they dare)' don't they HAVE to do something - or they should for the good of themselves (since thats what they only care about)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><b>Guspaz</b></A> : They throttle everything (whole connection) if they detect BT/P2P. They're also apparently misdetecting other stuff and throttling based on that. Are you doing anything else with your connection when your VoIP acts up?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:06:23 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/461621"><b>Gokuu</b></A> : Gotta love the timing.  Just as Bell comes out with throttling across the board, the CBC begins to move forward with P2P distribution. <br><br>Are you listening CRTC!?!?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:04:52 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1137179"><b>koreyb</b></A> : I don't buy that it's just BT and P2P affected....  VoIP is also an issue, as I notice around the same time (4pm to 2am) my VoIP acts up..   <br><br>This is a direct anti-competitive move.  I've already filed complaints with the CRTC and Competition bureau.<br><br>The issue is, who you going to run to..  This basically has made EVERY provider in Ontario and Quebec Throttled!   <br><br>SHAME ON Bell.  My condo was to move to Expressvu and I'm thinking maybe I just might refuse access to them. (I don't watch much tv anyhow)]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:04:07 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1489140"><b>midnighter</b></A> : Every major technology that got released got monopolized by a few firms before the Government got involved to make it fair for the consumer.  Without the Gov'ts help on this, Bell will not budge.  We need to somehow make the Canadian govt care about their consumers.  If the CRTC is not responsible for Bandwidth, then who is.  Almost every Canadian citizen has internet now and I find it amazing that there isn't an entity that protects the avg. Canadian internet user.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:03:27 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1435323"><b>ftp1020</b></A> : So much for the 'play nice with Bell' strategy.  Now that Bell sees Teksavvy (et al) as an actual competitor, there will be no high road.  There never is when profits come into the picture.<br><br>Strength in numbers, Rocky.  If your independent ISP assocation was an afternoon coffee klatsch before, it needs to grow some teeth now.  I'd suggest that the first legal route is that the ILEC has no right to discriminate other people's (and companies') net traffic.  Another would be to buy a few shares of BCE and create commotions at shareholder's meetings, and make the teachers aware that they are buying into the receiving end of an open-ended (class-action?) lawsuit.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:00:46 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1438192"><b>papaskitch</b></A> : It couldn't hurt to <A HREF="http://www2.parl.gc.ca/Parlinfo/Compilations/HouseOfCommons/MemberByPostalCode.aspx?Menu=HOC">contact your MP</a> and ask them where they stand on <A HREF="http://www.neutrality.ca/index.php?option=com_performs&formid=1&Itemid=3">Net Neutrality</a>.  Make sure they know that this is an issue they need to have a position on when the next election comes along.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:00:41 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1539919"><b>GoogleFreak</b></A> : I highly doubt that throttling will be removed in the next few months unless there is a court order or some kind of government agency involved.  Obviously Bell people aren't stupid I am sure they are well planned for this.  If this is what they want we should get all dsl users together, not just Teksavvy.  ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:00:26 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/248514"><b>mlerner</b></A> : STONE THEM!.. err, wrong thread.  :p]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:57:42 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/931617"><b>DrZEUS</b></A> : oh well it was fun while it lasted...this is going to be ugly!]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:57:19 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/895655"><b>newSymp</b></A> : post some contracts!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/982977"><b>AMailer</b></A> : So, the question is: What are the chances of this throttle getting removed? Slim to none?<br><small>--<br>www.AaronDM.com<br>Web developer & designer  :D</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:55:46 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427767"><b>TSI Gabe</b></A> : Well I think what needs to happen is for all of this to go in one thread. We now have at least 10 threads about the same topic.<br><small>--<br>TSI Gabe - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:54:30 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/895655"><b>newSymp</b></A> : No matter how many links we post.<br><br>No matter what we say,  NO one but maybe 10-15 people will do anything.<br><br>no one right does what they say<br><br>Someone send this to michealgiest as well. i can't access his page?  <br><br>this is just ridiculous.  rthey think P2p and bittorent is all illegal, but they are showing how much legal stuff is on it. even cbc right?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:54:14 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1508357"><b>nanook</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  R0CKY <A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>They claim they are allowed to do so according to their Terms and Services under the Fair Usage Policy in the tariffed contracts...  We'll be looking into this shortly.</div>Thanks for the update Rocky. Bell's position sucks, although that is hardly unexpected.<br><br>Something to look at is whether Bell is in breach of contract. Presumably they are obligated to provide TSI (and the other ISPs) access to your clients via Bell's existing POTS infrastructure. It seems to me that by throttling they are interfering with this access and thus may be in breach of contract.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:54:13 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1528661"><b>Chaos_Armed</b></A> : That is ridiculous. I'm so glad I purchased Teksavvy, I plan on cancelling Bell, maybe they will put me on interleave again like they did when I purchased Teksavvy. I need to convince my parents that Bell Satellite and Home Phone need to go, but it will take some convincing. I honestly cannot see any good in people that just decide to abuse their power the way Bell does. I'll be sure to spread the word.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:52:57 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/895655"><b>newSymp</b></A> : So under their Terms and Services under the Fair Usage Policy in the tariffed contracts they claim that they can do this? all this time and now they decide to do it?<br><br>Are these contracts available on the net, they should be there is not much information on it just rules and terms i am sure the contract doesn't say dont share it with others or let others read it.  Mind posting a copy? or parts of it.<br><br>There might be some lawyers on these threads or people related to some ;) that wouldn't mind a stab at it.<br><br>I dont believe for a second that they have such authority though to do that to others peoples bandwitdh. Sounds very fishy to me and a lot of other people. <br><br>The fillings should be implemented that these proceedings took without notice, and started the implemantation to its wholesellers without notification.  This at hand might be a violation, in the aspect that  if they did this over the holiday weekend, then they had enough time to send out notification to their wholesellers / resellers / people that lease the lines etc .  They dont have to notify the user ( us ) but they should OF notified the buyers / etc.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:51:23 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1522257"><b>Paulius</b></A> : We need to spread the word on this... and quickly.<br><br>Digg this story: &raquo;<A HREF="http://digg.com/tech_news/Major_canadian_ISP_throttling_P2P_Call_for_action" >digg.com/tech_news/Major_canadia&middot;&middot;&middot;r_action</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1489140"><b>midnighter</b></A> : Thanks for the update Rocky.  Let us know how we can help.  We are a small but vocal group and our voices with your lawyers could do some serious damage to the Bell image.  Please keep us informed on how things will be proceeding from here on.  I will be keeping my TSI account.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1000066"><b>mazhurg</b></A> : Well, Satellite TV with Bell just cancelled. As soon as I can find a way to get some sort of landline phone without paying the Bell tax, then that too goes.<br><br>let's hurt them where it count.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/555530"><b>renton</b></A> : Thanks for the update Rocky!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/706116"><b>The Flash</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Gokuu <A HREF="/useremail/u/461621"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>This thread should be locked.  Mods..you there?<br> </div>Why? R0cky started it.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1508619"><b>aver</b></A> : Gotta love that we all leave Bell to send a message and now they screw us again.. I cannot even begin to comprehend how Bell feels they are justified. It may not have been the objective but Bit Torrent and P2P are integral parts of the internet today and no amount of throttling is ever going to change that. Do these companies (Bell, Rogers, Comcast, etc) not realize that they are fighting a losing battle?  <br><br>I'm glad to see that profits still remain the top priority over any quality of service for these huge corporations.<br><br>Edit: Posted on Reddit<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://reddit.com/info/6dcfz/comments/" >reddit.com/info/6dcfz/comments/</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/461621"><b>Gokuu</b></A> : This thread should be locked.  Mods..you there?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : so JUST bt and p2p traffic will be affected?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:43:49 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1206349"><b>R0CKY</b></A> : Ok... Here's the deal...<br><br>They're now openly acknowledging that they are rolling out a full throttling process.  They plan to have things fully throttled by April 7th.  All BT and P2P traffic will be affected.<br><br>They claim they are allowed to do so according to their Terms and Services under the Fair Usage Policy in the tariffed contracts...  We'll be looking into this shortly.<br><br>The meeting was with Sales and Product Management.  They will be preparing a formal letter before end of week.<br><br>In the meantime, we (many other ISPs) are going to prepare as well... I guess the high road is the path taken in this case.<br><br>Spread the word one and all as this topic needs to reach every level possible...  There's now officially an issue and action must be taken by all if we're to rectify things...<br><small>--<br>TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.</small>]]></description>
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