Re: Wow. in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20223816 en Thu, 21 Aug 2008 00:00:34 EDT Thu, 21 Aug 2008 00:00:34 EDT Cable companies and Throttling http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20231048 anon : Rogers, Shaw, and Cogico all have throttled their upstreams as of this date, March 26th/08. Even home users with HIGH SPEED EXTREME modems are limited to 5 to 10k/s total upstream on FTP and Torrent applications. I had to buy a service for $25.00 a month to get onto the NewsGroups as Rogers doesn't support them either.

sturog]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20231048 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:30:53 EDT Re: Wow. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20228636 jhaygood86 : Compton doesn't throttle either, but their market reach is fairly limited (2 rural towns in Durham Region, Ontario)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20228636 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:18:39 EDT Re: Wow. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20227202 mlerner :
said by JimmySask See Profile :

Not true. SaskTel does not throttle, nor are there usage caps.
Not for the moment, but their transit is provided by Bell Nexxia so watch out.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20227202 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 08:22:11 EDT Re: Wow. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20226741 JimmySask : Not true. SaskTel does not throttle, nor are there usage caps.
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said by JasonD :

Boy, what have you got against Comcast? I sincerely doubt they would ever do this to anything but p2p traffic, which if you believe the numbers, could alleviate some 70~80% of the network load. IMHO that would be a good thing.

Or would you rather have AT&T's filtered content approach?
are you serious? filtering is wrong, because isp's should protect the privacy of its users and not give in to the mpaa/riaa.

throttling is wrong because these companies offer bandwidth and a certain speed promised to you, if you are going to use this bandwidth you should be allowed to, and if comcast and bell cannot provide this bandwidth the answer is not to eliminate its users speed thus eliminating bandwidth the answer is to add MORE BANDWIDTH (what the hell am i paying bell $20 a month for if i already pay dry loop fees for the copper?), this is the proper network management. Companies can save money by using p2p because it doesn't use their bandwidth(ex WOW updates, linux iso's) there are legitimate uses for every protocol and it is unfair to single out any and throttle a user for bandwidth they pay for!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20226465 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 00:34:23 EDT Re: Wow. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20225669 RadioDoc : Yep. Except that the telco IPTV model scales directly to the pay per channel market. It's damn close to that now. Even at this point I can order programming to my TiVo or a MPC and play it in as good a quality as standard cable gives now. All we need are more like the Fox/Universal 'hulu' and others to provide more content and speed up the process. The seeds are already planted.

This is indeed the NCTA's worst-case scenario and as you said they will do anything to prevent it. It's the VoIP to their outdated Video on Demand cash cow long distance, to use a familiar analogy.
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said by rahvin112 See Profile :

Someday we all might buy the TV channels we want (and only the ones we want) on the Internet and stream them to our TV's directly.
You've just described a Cable TV Company Exec's worst nightmare.... and now, a Telco Company Exec with new TV services worst nightmare.

Why do you think they want to push caps, throttling, and pay-per-byte? To make sure that consumers can NOT go to such a system, and WILL have to stay paying them for content. It's designed to be anti-competitive, and block consumers choice.
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Adi]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20225352 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:48:05 EDT Re: Wow. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20225228 InvalidError :
said by adisor19 See Profile :

t the only Cable company in Canada that does not throttle.Videotron is abou They do have some of the lowest caps in the country however (20GB down and 2GB UP for their 5Mbps/850Kbps High Speed Service)
It was 10GB/month the last time I checked... and I've been with Videotron HS for roughly 10 years before switching to TSI.

Edit: 10GB up, of course. The 20GB down is correct. If Videotron had increased both limits by 5-10GB, I would have signed up for one more year.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20225228 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:25:25 EDT Re: Wow. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20225132 rahvin112 : The problem with what you think is good is that you don't think beyond what you are told. The high end consumption drives the costs down long term, it also causes the networks to be structured such that future heavy demand services will be possible. Someday we all might buy the TV channels we want (and only the ones we want) on the Internet and stream them to our TV's directly.

Without P2P driving the cost of bandwidth down the demand ceases and the internet never moves beyond web and email. Looking at countries where lots of bandwidth is available and cheap (Japan and Korea) and you will see countries with rapidly developing new interactive markets. Markets the US will be excluded from if we choose to take the path that providers can discriminate against the type of traffic they carry.

In the long run the excess consumption of a few drives down the costs and availability for everyone. But why would we want to advance right? Horse drawn carriages are fast enough and why on earth would we want to buy channels directly rather than being forced to buy them as a package from a middleman? Many technical advances come about with the availability of high bandwidth, without the P2P driving the curve the bandwidth will never happen and the interactivity and cheaper systems that would result will never happen.

I'm astounded at times how many people fail to realize that this debate about filtering is nothing more than a debate about net-neutrality. The pipes should be dumb, they should provide and serve ANY data the customer wants and any attempt to interfere in that is an attempt to insert or preserve a middleman that doesn't need to be in the system. Opposition to Net-neutrality (or pro "network management") is about preserving and enhancing revenue streams and has little to nothing to do with network management. Comcast and other don't want you to have unrestricted data because then they become a dump pipe and you could buy services (phone, video) from anyone on the network. That's the greatest fear of the providers and the reason they use P2P as their sounding board for network-neutrality opposition. The minute it's a dumb pipe is the minute the information becomes a commodity sold to the market at the lowest acceptable price.

When you realize what's at stake, that's when you'll realize how important network-neutrality is and why P2P filtering is the step in the door (and the first nail in the coffin) to charging companies to access you, and limiting what you can do as a consumer to maximize the revenue of the pipe provider. Don't fall for the BS, network-neutrality is probably the single most important debate in this country regarding the availability and access to information. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20225132 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:07:39 EDT Re: Wow. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20224161 adisor19 : Videotron is about the only Cable company in Canada that does not throttle. They do have some of the lowest caps in the country however (20GB down and 2GB UP for their 5Mbps/850Kbps High Speed Service)

Adi]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20224161 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:16:45 EDT Re: Wow. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20224100 TigerLord : Cable isn't affected here]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20224100 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:06:13 EDT Re: Wow. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20224011 ptrowski :
said by JasonD :

Boy, what have you got against Comcast? I sincerely doubt they would ever do this to anything but p2p traffic, which if you believe the numbers, could alleviate some 70~80% of the network load. IMHO that would be a good thing.

Or would you rather have AT&T's filtered content approach?
Well at least Comcast was so honest and upfront about their "network management" at first. Oh wait..... :uhh:
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Comcast's transgressions are here for anyone to see, and they've compounded them by lying about it. If you don't think they'd start throttling the download side if they could get away with it, you are very naive.

Those 70-80% numbers are wholly made up unless their network craps out at 100 megabits. If they were true nobody would ever be able to use a cable modem on their networks.
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Or would you rather have AT&T's filtered content approach?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223816 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:17:43 EDT Re: Wow. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20223810 TK Junk Mail :
said by RadioDoc See Profile :

Comcast must be wetting themselves over the prospects of doing this in their own network.

Sad state of affairs up there, coming to a US ISP near you.
Are the Canadian cable companies throttling P2P as well? Or is it just the DSL providers?
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Sad state of affairs up there, coming to a US ISP near you.
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