Re: Excellent in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20228933 en Sun, 20 Jul 2008 04:50:01 EDT Sun, 20 Jul 2008 04:50:01 EDT Re: Excellent http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20240821 mach_six : I can't imagine people who defend these companies actually notices slow internet. It's apparent the provider is the issue. Always easier to put blame on something else rather than fixing the problem.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20240821 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:09:21 EDT Re: Excellent http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20231254 ditka_b : Bull lol]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20231254 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:58:18 EDT Re: Excellent http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20231121 lordofwhee : What happens when ALL connections are throttled? What happens when, no matter what you're doing, you are allotted only so many connections to the outside world?

And, once again, the talking point of 'all/most P2P is piracy' is brought up. Even if it was 100% pirated content, that gives nobody the right to effectively block half a protocol. If the content nazis want to go sue a twelve-year-old over it, that's their choice, not the ISP's.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20231121 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:35:41 EDT Re: Excellent http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20229687 Doctor Four : More than just Vuze, or Linux ISOs. PBS is using torrents
to distribute some of its content, and so is CBC (Canadian
Broadcast Corporation).

Then there's paid for BT content like at the official site.
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"The trouble with computers, of course, is that they are very sophisticated idiots." - Doctor Who (from Robot)
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20229687 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:30:37 EDT Re: Excellent http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20229304 FiL : uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

Where you want me to start? Oh, I know... :)

I'm musician slash producer. I like to be up to date with the lastest audio hardware and software. I download huge instructional videos, sometimes done on home cameras, sometimes done in video studios, and learn how to setup hardware, patch software... hell, a friend of mine made a 2 hour instructional piano video JUST FOR ME to DL via bitorrent becuase 7 to 8 of my other buddies online helped the motherfucker make it and helped the motherfucker upload, to who? To me... lol. Now if this isn't a legal use for BT, then I truly DON'T know how to create a drum kit in less then a minute.... shit.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20229304 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:18:07 EDT Re: Excellent http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20229187 TheGhost :
said by nasadude See Profile :

said by cmarin See Profile :

... Last time I checked, broadband isn't a "right"... neither is stealing music and movies over P2P. Let's face it, a great deal of the piracy happens over P2P, no matter what other "legit" uses there are, this is the primary vehicle for theft. If Comcast resets the connection of some punk abuser thief so the rest of us can enjoy our speedy connections, so be it...
Wow. I haven't seen that many RIAA/MPAA talking points in one paragraph in quite a while.

are these so ingrained that you know them by heart, or did you have to refresh your memory from the RIAA web page?
Users here have brought up LEGAL content that is getting hosed (VUZE).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20229187 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:57:59 EDT Re: Excellent http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20229116 Skeedatl : Yep.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20229116 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:44:36 EDT Re: Excellent http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20228988 dadkins :
said by Skeedatl See Profile :

And your point is?
Downloading/sharing/uploading LEGAL items via BT protocol are getting hosed because of a blanket "Network Management" claim, but that same network can/will/is getting saturated via other means and this is ok and gets a free pass.

Horseshit!

I could send you a 4-25-50GB file right this second and max the crap out of my upload - for a while.
No BS Sandvine would be involved - would it?
Screw protocol... same network, same max speed.
Does this make sense? :hmm:
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That's 16mbps/2mbps.
2mbps Upload(2.2mbps actual)
So, if I use VUZE to download MariposaHD(LEGAL), there is no way I can *give back* at least 1:1 because of the "traffic shaping" to save Comcast's poor network?

Uhm... what exactly is it that I am paying for again? :hmm:

Ya know, I can blast away all day and night slamming DVDs and even Blu-ray Discs to a friend or friends and that is going across the same freakin connection(@ 2.2mbps)... but no shaping! :o

This is horseshit. No other way to classify it - straight horseshit! :huh:
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Think outside the Fox... Opera]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20228906 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:10:56 EDT Re: Excellent http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20228742 Skeedatl : The traffic shaping has nothing to do with torrents or piracy.

It's about normalizing traffic shaping. The bigger picture is ISPs double dipping, charging for access to subscribers, enforced by traffic shaping content providers (particularly VOD competitors like iTunes rentals, Amazon unbox, Netflix VOD etc) into the ground who don't pay the bounty.

It's just easy for Comcast to start normalizing traffic shaping by crying piracy and upstream saturation. If they were actually interested in controlling bit torrent traffic, they could easily do that by enforcing "reasonable" upload caps. The upload caps would stop the 24/7 seeding that is saturating the upstream channels.

The next step for Comcast is to traffic shape streaming video, VOIP and other content competitors.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20228742 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:38:22 EDT Re: Excellent http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20228713 bentman78 : as opposed to talking points allocating stealing and copyright infringement being justified because you are "getting what you paid for"?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20228713 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:34:05 EDT Re: Excellent http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20228712 TIGERON : THANK YOU!!! Finally there is somebody that has their head on the right way.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20228712 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:33:28 EDT Re: Excellent http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20228694 Skeedatl : »www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrim···8red.htm

The No Electronic THEFT Act.

The copyright infringement itself is the crime, a court doesn't have to rule it as theft.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20228694 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:29:01 EDT Re: Excellent http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20228574 evilghost : I'm with you on this one cmarin. I find it hard to believe that so many of these people screaming out in agony of QoS and traffic shaping of P2P technology are downloading Linux ISO's and OpenOffice ISOs.

I'm not going to argue the semantics of copyright infringement versus theft. What I will say is people who are screaming so loudly, what legal content are you downloading? What infringing content are you downloading?

Throttle/RST the pirate and give me back my latency and aggregate bandwidth. I've little tolerance for someone who saturates the network with P2P-powered infringement.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20228574 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:05:27 EDT Re: Excellent http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20228473 nasadude :
said by cmarin See Profile :

... Last time I checked, broadband isn't a "right"... neither is stealing music and movies over P2P. Let's face it, a great deal of the piracy happens over P2P, no matter what other "legit" uses there are, this is the primary vehicle for theft. If Comcast resets the connection of some punk abuser thief so the rest of us can enjoy our speedy connections, so be it...
Wow. I haven't seen that many RIAA/MPAA talking points in one paragraph in quite a while.

are these so ingrained that you know them by heart, or did you have to refresh your memory from the RIAA web page?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20228473 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:47:35 EDT Re: Excellent http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20228269 Underplay :
said by cmarin See Profile :

said by Underplay See Profile :

This should help us fight back against the ISP's. This is turning into a real dirty game of chess. Insurgents using software instead of guns, fighting for our rights.
hmmm... did they pass a new Ammendment while I was taking a dump? Last time I checked, broadband isn't a "right"... neither is stealing music and movies over P2P. Let's face it, a great deal of the piracy happens over P2P, no matter what other "legit" uses there are, this is the primary vehicle for theft. If Comcast resets the connection of some punk abuser thief so the rest of us can enjoy our speedy connections, so be it. I'm no Comcast fanboy, since my cable company was Adelphia for many years and only recently Comcast due to the bankruptcy settlement... but I have to say things have only improved since they've taken over.
I pay less now than I did then, have dozens more TV channels, surf at twice the speed I had before, and it is generally more reliable than Adelphia ever was.
Maybe you haven't heard the term, "get what you pay for". Simply put, we are all paying for our connection at the advertised speeds, and that is what we should be getting.

Maybe you are not familiar with azures fuze, its a bittorrent client with a built in media library, that lets users share videos, using there own bandwidth. It's actually pretty revolutionary.

You are trying to say that if i were to upload my own LEGAL video to this network, then my paid connection should be throttled just because it uses the bit torrent protocol, and SOME people use this protocol for piracy.

Maybe you have it shoveled into your head that Bittorrent and P2P is the evil devil, but you seriously need to rethink your opinion. Have you ever heard of rapidshare before? or how about FTP. These services can and ARE being used for illegal purposes just as commonly as bittorrent is. So why aren't the ISP's throttling these services?

Comcast is throttling bittorrent and uploading, NOT for piracy, NOT for you. But for themselves. Never before has the upstream been used for such a purpose and used so commonly, and its killing there network. So they are stopping all of us from using what we have paid for. So they can make some more bucks by not upgrading there infrastructure and forming to the wants of the people.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20228269 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:13:24 EDT Re: Excellent http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20228130 SilverSurfer :
said by cmarin See Profile :

Let's face it, a great deal of the piracy happens over P2P, no matter what other "legit" uses there are, this is the primary vehicle for theft.
Let's face it. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20228130 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:50:30 EDT Re: Excellent http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20228051 WrzWrz : Please cite a case where copyright infringement was ruled as being theft in a U.S. court of law. Provide a case number if possible. Thank you. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20228051 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:37:23 EDT Re: Excellent http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20228022 cmarin :
said by Underplay See Profile :

This should help us fight back against the ISP's. This is turning into a real dirty game of chess. Insurgents using software instead of guns, fighting for our rights.
hmmm... did they pass a new Ammendment while I was taking a dump? Last time I checked, broadband isn't a "right"... neither is stealing music and movies over P2P. Let's face it, a great deal of the piracy happens over P2P, no matter what other "legit" uses there are, this is the primary vehicle for theft. If Comcast resets the connection of some punk abuser thief so the rest of us can enjoy our speedy connections, so be it. I'm no Comcast fanboy, since my cable company was Adelphia for many years and only recently Comcast due to the bankruptcy settlement... but I have to say things have only improved since they've taken over.
I pay less now than I did then, have dozens more TV channels, surf at twice the speed I had before, and it is generally more reliable than Adelphia ever was.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20228022 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:30:15 EDT Excellent http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20227980 Underplay : This should help us fight back against the ISP's. This is turning into a real dirty game of chess. Insurgents using software instead of guns, fighting for our rights.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20227980 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:21:57 EDT