R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
| Update on Throttling: Part 2...
Ok.... now back in town from Toronto. Had a chance to discuss some of the issues at hand with a variety of organizations and ISPs today.
We'll be meeting with a Regulatory lawyer in the AM to start discussions while we wait for the officially documented version of Bell's position. Once we have this, we'll then be able to figure out if we move forward as a coherent group on this topic or not. The biggest thing right now is to figure out all the needed angles to make sure this all plays out favourably for everyone.
More to come soon...
Rocky
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Ares45
Hands off my bytes, Bell
Premium
join:2007-11-14
Toronto, ON | Thanks for the update, Rocky! It's much appreciated. |
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PlatooN
join:2007-02-13
Greely, ON | reply to R0CKY
once bell give you that written position, will it be made public? |
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invictive
join:2001-11-14
North York, ON | reply to R0CKY
Thanks for keeping us updated Rocky.
I am glad to hear you guys are going to be taking a stand against Bell, this throttling is ridiculous.
If you need any help, don't hesitate to turn to your custormers, we are a loyal crowd! |
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nanook
ex redbaron
join:2007-12-02
 ·Bell Sympatico
·TekSavvy Solutions..
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said by R0CKY  :We'll be meeting with a Regulatory lawyer in the AM to start discussions Sounds like you were less than impressed by Bell's bullshit 
Thanks for fighting the good fight, Rocky. |
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BryceS
join:2007-09-17 | reply to R0CKY
Check the grammar, »www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/···ess/home |
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HiVolt
Premium
join:2000-12-28
Toronto, ON
clubs: | reply to R0CKY
Thanks for the update, Rocky.
As always, you have my full support.
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GO LEAFS GO!
Don't question the authoritaaaa! |
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HiVolt
Premium
join:2000-12-28
Toronto, ON
clubs:
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
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said by BryceS :Check the grammar LMAO, i remember having a good laugh at that.
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PlatooN
join:2007-02-13
Greely, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to HiVolt
said by HiVolt :Thanks for the update, Rocky. As always, you have my full support. As Volt said, and I believe it goes without saying, WE'RE WITH YOU ROCKY! THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE US AS CLIENTS |
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Safety Panda
Premium
join:2002-06-23
Scarborough, ON | START THE LEGAL DEFENSE FUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON | Thanks for the support gang... We'll do our best to figure something out here!
More to come soon enough!
Rocky
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jfmezei_
Premium
join:2007-01-03
Beaconsfield, QC
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| Mr Rocky,
I don't want to pry, but could you give any indication on whether the contracts ISPs sign with Bell are mere implementatiobns of the published tariffs with legalese surrounding them and terms such as contract cancellation issues, or is are there additional clauses above and beyond 5410 (that would discuss "Fair Use" for instance.)
In the type of meetinsg you had today, do ISPs drop trousers and compare their Bell contract to see if they all have roughly the same items ?
If the contracts Bell makes you sign have clauses that go against the spirit of the tariffs, this definitely has some traction with CRTC AND industry Canada.
Knowing whether the contracts go beyond the tariffs or whether Bell is just interpreting the Tariffs the way it wants would influence individual's structure of any involvement with Industry Canada and/or CRTC. |
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Paulius
join:2008-01-21
Lasalle, QC
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Rocky,
You are an inspiration for all of us.
I wish you luck on this uphill battle versus the gigantic Bell corporation. I truly think that if the small ISPs get their brains together, something CAN be accomplished.
Let's hope we get something rolling soon. |
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AnonMan
@mindspring.com | reply to R0CKY
I can't thank you enough. Good luck. |
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qweloo
join:2007-10-04
h3p 2c4
·Bell Sympatico
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Maybe TSI may want to avoid exposing any specifics re legal strategies/positions/facts/feelings/intentions that may help Bell.
Lets not forget any of the Bell croonies can come here and read the ISP intentions/positions if we are not careful.
That kind of advance knowledge can be quite detrimental to a case depending on what is leaked.
It goes without saying that TSI and all the 3rd party ISP fighting against this have all my support. |
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InvalidError
join:2008-02-03
·TekSavvy Solutions..
 ·Videotron
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said by R0CKY :The biggest thing right now is to figure out all the needed angles to make sure this all plays out favourably for everyone. Including Bell?
Since it may be years before Bell is forced to remove throttling for good, TSI&al. should start with requesting an injunction while the legality of throttling (CRTC Tariffs VS actual contracts), its observed effects on the customer's perceived QoS, its impact on the user base such customers leaving or threatening to, etc. are being assessed.
It would be nice if Bell got reprimanded with a fine large enough to clearly spell out "don't do that again" accompanied by a tariff and standards freeze to prevent them from making up their losses with price hikes or service degradation elsewhere. |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
| reply to jfmezei_
There has been a few filings over time on this particular topic, but here are the main links for Bell's GAS tariff... see under Gateway Access Service (GAS)
»www.crtc.gc.ca/8740/eng/2007/b2.htm
»www.crtc.gc.ca/8740/eng/2006/b2.htm
»www.crtc.gc.ca/8740/eng/2005/b2.htm
»www.crtc.gc.ca/8740/eng/2004/b2.htm
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Kareeser
hm?
join:2006-07-18
Hamilton, ON | reply to R0CKY
Mm, "uphill battle" reminded me of Vimy Ridge... another Canadian (at least, in our Canadian-spun history textbooks) victory  |
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thm655321
join:2003-09-01
Canada | reply to R0CKY
Rocky, if there is a proceeding of some kind, if available as a remedy you should seek an injunction to prevent Bell from throttling Teksavvy pending resolution of the issue. |
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inferno_gn
Premium
join:2007-02-26
Verdun, QC
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Hi there,
It's wawr! *lol* That's what I used to say. 
inferno_gn
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